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Beyond the Mysterious Beyond => Hobbies and Recreation => Computer and Electronics => Topic started by: landbeforetimelover on December 03, 2007, 11:58:00 PM

Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: landbeforetimelover on December 03, 2007, 11:58:00 PM
I've noticed how everyone places their recycle bin in different places on the desktop.  I like to keep mine in the bottom right corner because it's easy to drag stuff there, but I notice some of you just put it anywhere like any other icon.  Where do you like to put your recycle bin and why?  Do you even drag items into it or do you just delete them by right clicking them?  Is your position of your recycle bin universal?  Meaning that you put it in the same place on the desktop on multiple computers (if you own them)?
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: Manny Cav on December 04, 2007, 12:00:53 AM
My Recycle Bin is kept in the upper-left corner, because -- it's easy to drag stuff there. :p Plus, I can't be bothered to have it any other way (and I WOULDN"T want it any other way). I'm liable to delete stuff by dragging it in there or right-clicking it, depending on what's convenient at the time, or what will get what I want off of my computer in the Recycle Bin quicker.
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: DarkHououmon on December 04, 2007, 12:02:56 AM
Upper left corner for me. That's where it's always been.
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: Kor on December 04, 2007, 12:24:35 AM
Mine is on the upper left corner of the screen.
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: Petrie. on December 04, 2007, 07:58:33 AM
Top left.  It always ends up there anyway after a computer restart because the machine can't remember where I put stuff last.  :rolleyes:
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: landbeforetimelover on December 04, 2007, 09:53:37 AM
I find it strange that people choose the top of the screen.  I mean, when you shrink a window, you can only do it from the bottom...
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: Manny Cav on December 04, 2007, 10:00:19 AM
Quote from: landbeforetimelover,Dec 4 2007 on  07:53 AM
I find it strange that people choose the top of the screen.  I mean, when you shrink a window, you can only do it from the bottom...
...And on the top for me, as well....
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: DarkHououmon on December 04, 2007, 01:13:50 PM
Quote from: landbeforetimelover,Dec 4 2007 on  09:53 AM
I find it strange that people choose the top of the screen. I mean, when you shrink a window, you can only do it from the bottom...
How is it strange? I don't think it's really strange to keep a Recycle Bin where you are most comfortable with it. I admit I was surprised that you kept it on the lower part of the screen, but only because I don't see it that often. The most common position I've seen Recycle Bins is in the top left corner.

Now as for shrinking windows, I have no idea what you are talking about. I can say that keeping the Recycle Bin on the top left corner or on the bottom right corner, or where ever you want it does not seem to make that much of a difference. It's still the same program. You still drag stuff into it. I don't see how difference in location makes any significant difference in the Recycle Bin's performance.
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: Kor on December 04, 2007, 04:38:51 PM
The funny thing is I've not really drug anything into the recycle bin.  I guess partially since I try to keep the desktop as uncluttered as I can.  I do a right click and delete usually.
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: Nimrod on December 04, 2007, 04:43:06 PM
My recicle bin is under my table^^
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: landbeforetimelover on December 04, 2007, 07:11:08 PM
OMG, I was thinking back to the windows 95 days. :rolleyes: Back then, you could only shrink the windows from the bottom.
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: Kor on December 04, 2007, 07:27:24 PM
Maybe using whiteout instead of a recycle bin would be some folk's preference.  :DD
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: landbeforetimelover on December 04, 2007, 09:12:06 PM
Yeah, I'm still a fan of windows 95 & 98.  Those were truly simple operating systems.  Ya just got on, got your work done, and got off.  None of the stupid crap you have to go through today.  Microsoft has made it's operating systems so visually appealing that it's lost sight of efficiency and functionality with windows vista. <_<
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: Manny Cav on December 04, 2007, 09:14:22 PM
I like XP because it's so similar to those operating systems for me. Vista is a whole other world. I still can't stop thinking about the time the Recycle Bin went missing on a Vista computer I use occasionally....
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: landbeforetimelover on December 04, 2007, 09:15:46 PM
Vista isn't much different from windows 95 at all. :rolleyes: That's the problem.  They haven't made many significant advances since windows 95.  Vista is yesterdays newspaper with a bunch of visual crap you don't need.
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: Manny Cav on December 04, 2007, 09:18:38 PM
Then you must be using a different Vista than I because the different between XP and Vista for me is very great. I can navigate through 95 and XP virtually the exact same way, but Vista, like I said, is a whole other world.
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: landbeforetimelover on December 04, 2007, 09:20:37 PM
Just some very simple things have changed such as the "all programs" thing doesn't pop out and the taskbar is a different theme.  You can change it all back to classic in the control panel and stuff.  It's just the same thing as xp and windows 95, but it's arranged differently.  They WANT you to think it's different, but it's really not.  It's just the same crap we've been dealing with for 12 years now.

Well, they've changed the kernel and stuff like that, but that's not noticeable to normal computer users.
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: Manny Cav on December 04, 2007, 09:22:16 PM
It sounds like you need a Mac or Linux computer. :p
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: landbeforetimelover on December 04, 2007, 09:24:32 PM
I just mean that nothing revolutionary has happened in so many years.....

MSDOS 5 to windows 3.1 was a HUGE advancement

windows 3.11 to windows 95 was also a large leap in computer technology.

But there is little difference between windows 95,98,2000,2000 pro,xp, and vista.  Just a different kernel making you upgrade your software, better support for drivers, and a little bit of a visual makeover. :rolleyes:

We've still got a dumb start menu, the same mouse and keyboard, and the same concept of a screensaver and a background.  Not much revolution has happened in 12 years of operating system development.
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: Petrie. on December 05, 2007, 12:01:43 AM
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We've still got a dumb start menu, the same mouse and keyboard, and the same concept of a screensaver and a background. Not much revolution has happened in 12 years of operating system development.

Last I checked Macs also use a keyboard and a one button (instead of two) mouse and its been that way for just as long.  :rolleyes:  What's your point?  What can they do that would really.....be a huge advancement in your eyes?
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: landbeforetimelover on December 05, 2007, 12:07:00 AM
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What can they do that would really.....be a huge advancement in your eyes?

I dunno.  Maybe I'll help design it when I go work for Microsoft in two years. :P: I just feel that there's something big that needs to happen with computers.  No major leaps in so long makes me think something drastic is gonna happen.  Mac X was a huge revolution as well.  Helped bring macs out of the stone ages that they were in with mac 9 OS and below. :rolleyes: Some sort of new interface would be nice.  Windows.....that's been around for so long now.  They've gotta come up with something different.  Perhaps a 3 dimensional environment instead of a boring flat desktop?  It's probably going to be something so revolutionary we can't even guess it.  I mean, the original users of MSDOS, do you think they could have imagined windows 3.1 before it was released?  No way.  It was all commands in a command prompt to them.  They never even conceived of the idea of a mouse.
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: Manny Cav on December 05, 2007, 12:11:41 AM
So you count the Vista thing (I've never tried it, myself) a 3D-environment?
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: landbeforetimelover on December 05, 2007, 03:12:11 AM
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So you count the Vista thing (I've never tried it, myself) a 3D-environment?

There's nothing that comes with vista that supports 3D.  I've heard of some third party applications, but they suck resources really bad.  If you're talking about the aero theme or whatever it's called, no.  That's just windows vista's horrible default theme.  Something new is going to have to be developed.  Microsoft is just dishing us out windows 95 with a different kernel so it makes all your programs obsolete so you have to go buy them again and some visual crap.  I'm so sick of the same thing.  Vista is just xp with a different kernel, some useless programs, and a bunch of visual crap that use up tons of resources.  Sure you've got some extra tools, but they'll be useless after a while.  Easier windows update???  What was so hard about it before? :blink: You never even had to deal with it!
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: Manny Cav on December 05, 2007, 10:22:32 AM
Quote from: landbeforetimelover,Dec 5 2007 on  01:12 AM
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So you count the Vista thing (I've never tried it, myself) a 3D-environment?

There's nothing that comes with vista that supports 3D.  I've heard of some third party applications, but they suck resources really bad.  If you're talking about the aero theme or whatever it's called, no.  That's just windows vista's horrible default theme.  Something new is going to have to be developed.  Microsoft is just dishing us out windows 95 with a different kernel so it makes all your programs obsolete so you have to go buy them again and some visual crap.  I'm so sick of the same thing.  Vista is just xp with a different kernel, some useless programs, and a bunch of visual crap that use up tons of resources.  Sure you've got some extra tools, but they'll be useless after a while.  Easier windows update???  What was so hard about it before? :blink: You never even had to deal with it!
I'm sure that anything such as the "3-Dimensional environment" that you propose will be even more "visual crap" that will take many times the resources of Vista current.
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: landbeforetimelover on December 05, 2007, 07:30:10 PM
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I'm sure that anything such as the "3-Dimensional environment" that you propose will be even more "visual crap" that will take many times the resources of Vista current.

Nope! :D Microsoft is designing a new kernel.  This kernel takes up only 40mb, as opposed to windows vista's 2,500mb :o Windows 7 is gonna be the best!  I got new sources.  Windows 7 is going to be about a billion times better than vista, and take up about as much resources as windows 98 did!

"Although used for running a basic HTTP server, MinWin is a stripped down version of the Windows kernel that will be used as the foundation for Windows Vienna. MinWin is composed of approximately 100 files totalizing 25MB on disk and 40MB set up, in comparison with Vista which is made up of over 5000 files and approximatley 2500MB on disk."

Huge freaking difference if you ask me! :D  :yes  :yes  :yes

And what's even better:


"Since MinWin is simply an effort from Microsoft to bring the kernel down to the smallest possible size in order to achieve the best efficiency for the upcoming versions of Windows, it will not be a kernel that is going to be distributed all by itself but merely a starting point for the next generation of operating systems built by Microsoft that break the legacy with the Vista operating system and its ancestors."


Windows is back on track at last! :yes


I'm so excited!


"In the past 20 years, the Microsoft Windows operating system has accumulated old code libraries that brought it to the size it has today, 2.5 GB and about 50 million lines of code (Windows Vista). These old code libraries consume resources and are often the targets of security exploits. The best way to avoid such problems, is to start from scratch, which is close to what Microsoft plans to do with Windows Vienna. Windows Vienna will represent the start of a different generation of operating systems, bringing in new concepts and support for new types of hardware, along with a better security and a modular approach, which will allow future versions of Windows to be built more easily on Windows Vienna's engine.
It is also likely that the future success of Microsoft's products will be strongly decided by the success of the new generation operating system."


Microsoft is flipping out cuz no buisnesses are upgrading to vista cuz it sucks so bad and all their computer admins know it.  They've gotta start from scratch if they want a decent operating system that's both flashy and efficient. :yes

Take a look at windows 7's default background:

(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa146/tlordame/windows-7-vienna-wallpaper.jpg)
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: Tails_155 on December 05, 2007, 08:30:02 PM
I don't use a recycle bin, I always use shift+delete, I don't usually need what I delete when I delete it, and I won't have any reason to need it thereafter either
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: Manny Cav on December 06, 2007, 12:14:20 AM
Quote from: landbeforetimelover,Dec 5 2007 on  05:30 PM
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I'm sure that anything such as the "3-Dimensional environment" that you propose will be even more "visual crap" that will take many times the resources of Vista current.

Nope! :D Microsoft is designing a new kernel.  This kernel takes up only 40mb, as opposed to windows vista's 2,500mb :o Windows 7 is gonna be the best!  I got new sources.  Windows 7 is going to be about a billion times better than vista, and take up about as much resources as windows 98 did!

"Although used for running a basic HTTP server, MinWin is a stripped down version of the Windows kernel that will be used as the foundation for Windows Vienna. MinWin is composed of approximately 100 files totalizing 25MB on disk and 40MB set up, in comparison with Vista which is made up of over 5000 files and approximatley 2500MB on disk."

Huge freaking difference if you ask me! :D  :yes  :yes  :yes

And what's even better:


"Since MinWin is simply an effort from Microsoft to bring the kernel down to the smallest possible size in order to achieve the best efficiency for the upcoming versions of Windows, it will not be a kernel that is going to be distributed all by itself but merely a starting point for the next generation of operating systems built by Microsoft that break the legacy with the Vista operating system and its ancestors."


Windows is back on track at last! :yes


I'm so excited!


"In the past 20 years, the Microsoft Windows operating system has accumulated old code libraries that brought it to the size it has today, 2.5 GB and about 50 million lines of code (Windows Vista). These old code libraries consume resources and are often the targets of security exploits. The best way to avoid such problems, is to start from scratch, which is close to what Microsoft plans to do with Windows Vienna. Windows Vienna will represent the start of a different generation of operating systems, bringing in new concepts and support for new types of hardware, along with a better security and a modular approach, which will allow future versions of Windows to be built more easily on Windows Vienna's engine.
It is also likely that the future success of Microsoft's products will be strongly decided by the success of the new generation operating system."


Microsoft is flipping out cuz no buisnesses are upgrading to vista cuz it sucks so bad and all their computer admins know it.  They've gotta start from scratch if they want a decent operating system that's both flashy and efficient. :yes

Take a look at windows 7's default background:

(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa146/tlordame/windows-7-vienna-wallpaper.jpg)
Please tell me where you got those quotes....
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: landbeforetimelover on December 06, 2007, 12:52:08 AM
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Please tell me where you got those quotes....

From windowsvienna.com.  It is true.  I actually know the site and forum owner and he gets all his info from current microsoft employees.  Although Microsoft Corporation refuses to release any official information, they never forbid their workers to tell anyone about it. :P: They just want to keep all of windows vienna's secrets safe for now because if they didn't, NO ONE would buy vista, especially with vienna coming out so soon.  Not to mention that the new kernel will make every program currently out there obsolete.  It would cause a huge rift in the computer world.  No one would buy any software until vienna came out because in truth, buying software right now has got to be the dumbest thing you can do.  I mean really, can you blame them?  They'd lose so much money if this became totally public.  There is proof.  The site owner got a copy of the vienna kernel from the workers at Microsoft that also supply him with information.  It's not done yet, but it will not exceed 40mb :D He's been right about everything so far in the computer world.  I knew exactly what xp was like in 1999, 2 1/2 years before it's release.  I never really cared to study up much on vista though.
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: Manny Cav on December 06, 2007, 01:21:11 AM
That scares me a bit. I hope my armada of programs don't go "bye-bye" on me if they decide to dump reverse-compatibility.
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: landbeforetimelover on December 06, 2007, 01:29:06 AM
They've already decided.  You can kiss all the programs you have and all the programs you'll ever buy until 2010 goodbye.  They are working on some form of compatibility thing with it, but this is going to be a rough change for all of us.  No existing programs are going to work with vienna.  Oh well.  The existing kernel is so terrible.  It was never meant to support all this multimedia and visual crap.  All it was made for was for running windows 95.  This needed to happen back in the year 2000.  If they want all the visual crap, they're gonna have to design a new kernel, which they're doing.  I'm sure they'll find a way to make it reverse compatible somehow though.  Perhaps a dual boot option so you can run your old programs on one instance of the kernel and the new programs on the other instance...  There's no way everyone's gonna stand for all their stuff becoming obsolete.  Maybe Microsoft will replace everyones software... :unsure:
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: Manny Cav on December 06, 2007, 01:32:30 AM
This won't kill me. I might have to go through some work to get some of my files and documents to work again (like my spreadsheets and so forth), and a lot of my good programs might not do me any good anymore. But, I'll live.

This thread has departed from it's original purpose. Might you post updates in one of the other Windows related topics you made? :^.^:
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: DarkHououmon on December 06, 2007, 01:34:02 AM
Quote from: landbeforetimelover,Dec 6 2007 on  01:29 AM
They've already decided.  You can kiss all the programs you have and all the programs you'll ever buy until 2010 goodbye.
So you saying I won't be able to use the computer?  :unsure:
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: Tails_155 on December 06, 2007, 07:15:20 AM
Quote from: landbeforetimelover,Dec 6 2007 on  12:29 AM
They've already decided.  You can kiss all the programs you have and all the programs you'll ever buy until 2010 goodbye.  They are working on some form of compatibility thing with it, but this is going to be a rough change for all of us.  No existing programs are going to work with vienna.  Oh well.  The existing kernel is so terrible.  It was never meant to support all this multimedia and visual crap.  All it was made for was for running windows 95.  This needed to happen back in the year 2000.  If they want all the visual crap, they're gonna have to design a new kernel, which they're doing.  I'm sure they'll find a way to make it reverse compatible somehow though.  Perhaps a dual boot option so you can run your old programs on one instance of the kernel and the new programs on the other instance...  There's no way everyone's gonna stand for all their stuff becoming obsolete.  Maybe Microsoft will replace everyones software... :unsure:
that is RIDICULOUS... what a waste of money that OS would be.... look how many programs have already been made, not to mention that'd mean my new game I bought that doesn't work with this computer... won't be able to be used with what'd most likely be my next computer... -.- that's BS I highly doubt they'd be THAT stupid
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: landbeforetimelover on December 06, 2007, 06:50:37 PM
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So you saying I won't be able to use the computer?

ALL programs that work now won't in 2010.  That means that any programs you use you can't use past 2010.

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that is RIDICULOUS... what a waste of money that OS would be.... look how many programs have already been made, not to mention that'd mean my new game I bought that doesn't work with this computer... won't be able to be used with what'd most likely be my next computer... -.- that's BS I highly doubt they'd be THAT stupid

Microsoft gets around 70% of it's money from companies, and they're refusing to upgrade to vista so they have to try something else.  They might start a plan that will promise to replace all the companies programs if they upgrade all their computers to vienna.  Everyone but buisness owners are screwed. :( Who knows though?  They make it so you can play DOS games in windows xp and vista even though the DOS programs arn't compatible with windows xp and vista's kernel.  They do this using the "cmd.exe" program.  It is a shell intigrated into windows xp and vista.  I think they're gonna do something similar with vienna so you can still run your old programs even though they're not compatible with vienna's kernel.  I mean, if they made it totally incompatible, no one would buy it.  Replacing everyones programs isn't very feasable either.  I wonder if Microsoft is going to pay software programmers like Adobe to create versions of their software that are compatible with vienna and give it to their current customers for free.  They've gotta do something, but this is going to be a really rough change for all of us.
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: Tails_155 on December 06, 2007, 07:04:01 PM
if it's truly incompatible, it could be a PS3 deal, too much for too little, and be a near-downfall of the program... because look how well received the PS3/Betamax/BluRay was... only the people in rich areas (no offense to the one member who is loaded) have any interest in it
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: landbeforetimelover on December 06, 2007, 07:08:31 PM
People are demanding the multimedia and visual crap this day and age.  Microsoft can't do that with it's current kernel.  They need to make a new one.  Besides, with a kernel this small, you could run vienna on a 15 year old computer! :D
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: Tails_155 on December 06, 2007, 07:22:19 PM
but why? what floppy would work on it?
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: Manny Cav on December 06, 2007, 07:54:34 PM
If all of my files, spreadsheets, documents, and just really important stuff can work or be converted easily, then I won't mind too much losing some of my favorite games like Need for Speed games, SimCity games and files, and such.
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: landbeforetimelover on December 06, 2007, 08:52:42 PM
I'm sure they'll find some way to make everything convertable.  It'd be a huge pain in the a**, but it'd be worth it to have an operating system as functional as windows 95 was, yet as cool or even cooler than vista is that uses the same amount of resources that windows 95 did. :) Go Microsoft! :yes
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: Manny Cav on December 06, 2007, 08:54:26 PM
But didn't you just say that they were redoing it because the Windows kernel had gotten so large because they kept all of the old coding so older programs could work?
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: landbeforetimelover on December 06, 2007, 09:01:55 PM
currently, they are moving forward without the capability to run current programs with windows vienna, but they've gotta think of something.  No one is gonna accept the thousands of dollars worth of programs they have wiped out just cuz Microsoft wants to make more money on an operating system. :rolleyes: Let me explain.  DOS uses some crap like a 16bit kernel or something to run it's programs.  Windows xp and vista have 32 and 64bit kernels.  How do you run a dos game in windows xp and vista?  Simple.  You just have to go to the start menu, click run, and then type in cmd and press enter.  You can run DOS programs from there.  This is something called an operating system shell.  You're not really running DOS, but more like an emulation of it.  In essence, you're running a 16bit externel kernel in a 32 or 64 bit operating system, allowing you to run your older programs even though your current OS is not 16 bit.  I believe something similar is going to happen with windows vienna, but they don't have it yet and they may not until after it's release.  Older programs will be a big pain to run in vienna no matter what they do, so don't go buy them now. <_<
Title: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: Kor on December 07, 2007, 02:14:10 AM
For certain games it may be needed to do a dual boot or have another hdd with an older os to play the games on.  If the new os will have a problem playing the older games, or using certain older programs one really prefers.  A hassle but windows seems to be like that.
Title: Re: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: Littlefoot505 on October 09, 2018, 03:14:01 PM
*bumps thread and brings it back on topic*

I've got mine in the upper-left corner, and it's like this in most of my OS's (and I run several, actually)
Title: Re: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: ImpracticalDino on July 28, 2019, 05:43:48 PM
My recycle bin is located on the upper left corner of my desktop, as it was by default. Below is an attachment of how it looks like.

Title: Re: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: Sneak on July 29, 2019, 04:18:35 AM
Bottom right. All the time.
Title: Re: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: OwlsCantRead on July 29, 2019, 04:51:16 AM
Four tiles down from the top-left corner of my laptop.
Title: Re: Position of your recycle bin
Post by: Flathead770 on July 29, 2019, 08:21:12 PM
Never bothered to move it, so top left for me!