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The Land Before Time => General Land Before Time => Character Discussion => Topic started by: arrogantrex on January 29, 2008, 11:21:22 PM
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I was watching X today and I had a very interesting thought.
It started with Pat, that really cool snaggle-toothed longneck nicknamed for, (I would suppose,) being an apatasaur.
Upon this line of thought, I went to Bron. He's an apatasaur too, but he was named after the Brontosaurus. Any dinosaur nut here would understand this is kind of ironic, just considering that the Brontosaurus was found to not be a real species, rather a skeleton mix-up. Which comes to another interesting point, either in symbolism or maybe even movie continuity.
I know it's probably just a dumb thought of mine, but I just think it's interesting that Bron would possibly be named after something that doesn't technically exist. It's like the storytellers were trying to imply something. As far as beginnings, X had one of the more interesting ones. I mean, it started off with Littlefoot having a sleepstory and then all these other irreverent, almost convenient things happening up until he meets his long-lost father. Soon after, he only finds that his father's life is on a level that he is yet to keep up with, said father, (as stated before,) named after a species of dinosaur that doesn't exist.
I know I may be going a bit far here, but who's to say that Littlefoot never woke up from his dream at the beginning?
Nah, I'm just kidding. That would just ruin everything, even for me. And that's not cool, man. That's just not cool.
Anyway, just an interesting thought from a guy who has nothing better to do with his time.
Other than that, I thought Bron was quite awesome, and almost exactly what I pictured for a father of Littlefoot's, even if his name holds some irony in my mind.
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*chuckles* Actually, Brontosaurus was scrapped in favor of Apatosaurus, but the name was actually salvaged and given to something else. I found it on-line somewhere, but I honestly can't remember what now though. ._. I'm fairly certain it was something non-dinosaurian though. :p
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It would certainly explain why that one longneck who returned with Cera, Ducky, Petrie and Spike hasn't been seen since. It'd also explain why the three sharpteeth were so wimpy.
Yet it would kinda ruin everything, I agree.
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Pat likely went to the same place every other 1 shot character went to once the movie they are in is over. Perhaps they choose the name Pat since Apatasaurus is an older name then Brontosaurus.
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I know I may be going a bit far here, but who's to say that Littlefoot never woke up from his dream at the beginning?
Nah, I'm just kidding. That would just ruin everything, even for me. And that's not cool, man. That's just not cool.
I for once would find that very cool indeed. Making that whole plot of LBT 10 nothing but a dream might have been the only way to explain the countless logic failures and cases of incoherence in this story which I don't think two good songs and a few good basic ideas could make up for.
Unfortunately I see no way at all in which all of LBT 10 could be reinterpreted as a dream and I understand that the story has been cemented by a TV episode including the characters (I haven't seen that one fro myself yet).
As for the name, interestingly enough Littlefoot too was meant to be named after the outdated (no pun intended) "Brontosaurus". In an early script he was named "Thunderfoot" (Brontosaur meaning Thunder-lizard), but the name was changed as they wanted to have a cuter and less threatening name.
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And from Bron's dialog it seems his mother named him after his father. I wonder, if like Bron, Littlefoot may choose a different name at some point.
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I wonder, if like Bron, Littlefoot may choose a different name at some point.
Probably not during the time period the movies and tv series are set in. IF for no reason other than that fans wouldn't like it if the main character changes his name to "Bronty" or something. :lol
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As for the name, interestingly enough Littlefoot too was meant to be named after the outdated (no pun intended) "Brontosaurus". In an early script he was named "Thunderfoot"
Makes me wonder what would've happened if for some reason they went with RumbleFoot. :lol
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I think many kids may have been scarred for life if that happened! :lol
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If he does change his name he'd likely wait till some time like he's declared an adult, once he's almost grown, or something like that so it would be long after the period the movies and tv series take place in.
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Was'nt Littlefoot just Bron's nickname?
This movie, thou Im not too fond of the sequels, was one of my faves for the soul purpose of Littlefoot meeting his dad. It's a shame he did'nt go to the Great valley and brought his heard with him.
Also, could'nt Bron's name be based off the word brawn?
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Maybe brawn rather than brain. Otherwise Bron could have given a plausible explanation for his absence. Many people consider LBT 10 one of the best sequels ever while for me it was ruined by the total lack of coherence and logic.
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bron's name is based on brontosaurus
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There are things I like about 10, and things I dislike. Overall I do enjoy watching the movie, but there are things I do dislike, that I mainly ignore as I watch it.
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Don't forget the fact that Bron is like Superman. He can't be hurt because he got bit by a sharptooth and was seemingly unaffected.
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I'm sure that that was just an oversight by the animators... I'm sure he can be hurt, as he did yell in pain when he was bitten...
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I agree, the animators likely forgot to draw on a wound. It's not like we haven't seen other animation mistakes in LBT.
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One aspect of Bron's character that we know little about is how he leads his herd. We have no way of knowing if he is authoritarian or democratic... if I had to take a guess, I would say that he leads by virtue of his size and strength, not so much his intelligence, and that his main role is protector...
And yes, I've gone over the "alpha male" stuff in other threads, so I will leave details of reproduction out of this post.
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He would be a poor protector though if he leaves parts of his herd behind while wandering off with the rest. In spite of the earlier LBT 10 claim that "all longnecks" were going to that crater (obviously untrue with the absence of Doc and Ali's herd) Bron said that he couldn't wait to introduce Littlefoot to the rest of his herd back home; so apparently he must have left some of them behind.
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He can't be hurt because he got bit by a sharptooth and was seemingly unaffected.
I'm sure that that was just an oversight by the animators...
I don't know about that. I suspect that perhaps the animators didn't draw a wound because it would have been too gruesome for the little kiddies.
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He can't be hurt because he got bit by a sharptooth and was seemingly unaffected.
I'm sure that that was just an oversight by the animators...
I don't know about that. I suspect that perhaps the animators didn't draw a wound because it would have been too gruesome for the little kiddies.
Yeah, I have to agree. Bron was probably more hurt than he appeared. He got bitten by a T-Rex, an animal with a crushing bite force. The animators wouldn't show the wound or blood because this is a kids' movie. If they had decided to show the injury, I suspect that Bron would have some deep puncture marks in the leg and probably lost some blood. The sharptooth could have done more damage if it wasn't knocked away.
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That does make sense. They've not shown wounds much in the past I don't think, or sense. One doesn't want lots of blood and open wounds in a kid's movie.
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I just figured out I haven't posted here. I don't have a whole lot of time to say this, so it's gonna be quick: In my opinion, Bron is one of the coolest characters in LBT, despite all the ridiculous plotholes in his stories and him being unaffected by the bite of a T-rex.
I'm not exactly sure why I think he's cool. Perhaps he reminds me of what I might've imagined Littlefoot to become when he grows up. Or maybe it's just him being Littlefoots father. I don't know.
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I'm not exactly sure why I think he's cool. Perhaps he reminds me of what I might've imagined Littlefoot to become when he grows up. Or maybe it's just him being Littlefoots father.
Yeah he does seem cool that way.
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Pat likely went to the same place every other 1 shot character went to once the movie they are in is over.
Yes. The after-life of one-shot characters, where these characters spend their existence contemplating how the series that they appeared in would have been different if they weren't one-shot characters.
Bron was meant to answer the question of "Who is Littlefoot's father?" that most LBT fans had, in my opinion. The plot structure between the tenth and eleventh movies was significantly different, so the old producers/directors/people-in-charge decided to leave the series in their own way; by answering the question I stated previously.
Bron would have been more injured than he appeared because of the animators and the rating requirements. In reality, the wound would have been bleeding, his leg would have been next to useless for a while, and he'd have been easy prey if Pat, Grandma, and Grandpa weren't around.
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True points. I was surprised they showed some blood in the 5th movie, though it was very little.
Either that or Bron may have some sort of skin armor as his power. After all if more then 1 shorptooth can survive a fall from a long distance and only get knocked out for a while, what Bron did would fit right in with that. If they give sharpteeth some sort of power, why not a longneck.
No idea why they suddenly introduced Littlefoot's father. It makes some plot holes. Why didn't he look for Littlefoot in the Great Valley if he looked everywhere else. Why wasn't he mentioned in the first movie, they mention there are only 3 left in Littlefoot's herd, why not say, except for possibly his father who had gone off to look for a safe place for them to live and may have not been caught in the big earth shake. If Littlefoot didn't know who Bron is that means he was not around for many years, however old Littlefoot was in the first movie when the big earthshake happened and made that large break in the earth.
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I'm really annoyed by the fact that Bron's actions stand in such stark contrast to the alleged qualities ascribed to him. I'm quoting from an older thread (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=381) not to type this all over again:
1. To explain all the discrepancies of Bron's story, we need to remember the original movie. The story he is telling must have begun shortly before the beginning of the original land before time movie.
Yet where were Bron and Littlefoot's mother (whom they didn't bother to give so much as the same color she had in the original movie) in a lush, green, Great Valley like landscape. The landscape they showed was just a perfect nesting place for Bron and his wife. There was no point for him to leave his pregnant wife to look for a better place. They had a really good place already!
2. The way Bron tells the story it appears that almost the moment he left the world turned upside down and changed into the desolate wasteland we know from the original movie. This is highly unlikely and doesn't seem at all the way the situation is described in the original movie. Even if it was a sudden change from paradise to wasteland, would not a responsible Bron have returned immediately to find his wife and unborn hatchling? According to his tail he did, but if this was true, how come he didn't find them? First of all, if there was such a sudden change of situation I reckon Littlefoot's mother would have waited for Bron as long as possible, as she and her parents (the way the contact between Bron and Littlefoot's grandparents is shown we can take it for granted they are not Bron's parents) knew he was going to return as soon as he could (if he ever meant to return). Even if lack of food forced them to move on after all (Bron must have been really far away indeed not to be back by that time) it would have been easy enough for Bron to follow the fresh trail of three grownup longnecks (As Cera pointed out in LBT 10 they leave clear tracks) who certainly tried to leave a clear trail for Bron to follow. There is absolutely no justification why Bron didn't return to his wife right away!
3. So even if we assume that, in his overeagerness to find even better a nesting place for his dear wife, Bron had wandered so far off that he couldn't possibly be back in time to pick up the trail and reunite with his wife his eagerness to find Littlefoot may be doubted for the points I'm going to explain.
The existence of the Great Valley was obviously not a secret. Littlefoot told Ducky in the original movie that his mother had told him that all herds were heading there. Yet Bron, despite the fact he claims to have done everything to find his son (even after learning about the death of his wife) apparently didn't think to look at the most logical place. Was he the only one who never ever heard about the Great Valley? Even if nobody ever told him it is interesting to recall how Littlefoot's mother knew about the Great Valley "Some things you see with your eyes! Others you see with your heard!" Apparently Bron's heart never told him anything, a point I won't argue as I doubt so cold a heart as his would talk.
However, there is no justification for Bron never ever to search for his son at the place that was obviously the most logical destination for him to go!
4. I can hear the enraged shouts. How dare I calling this gentle longneck and great leader cold-heartet?
I'll lay it out to you. We are all very fond of him for taking care of Shorty and all the poor defenseless longneck kids he found when he was allegedly looking for his son. But he doesn't! Just take a look at that flashback. He checks whether his son is among the kids, finds he isn't, and moves on. Bron doesn't even open his mouth. No word of encouragement, no question if they know anything about the whereabouts of his son, and least of all an invitation to the kids to come along with him. He didn't decide to take care of the kids. They just followed him, knowing it would be safer for them and Bron apparently didn't mind. He did not offer his protection to them, they just took it.
Shorty in particular is a good example for Bron's indifference. You think Shorty (a character by the way whom I consider one of the positive points about LBT 10) would have ever turned into a bully if Bron had cared about him beyond saving him from being killed so long he stayed close enough? Throughout the whole movie the only scene in which Bron shows direct kindness to Shorty is when during the herd's departure he takes him onto his head. Shorty might have considered Bron a father, but Bron did not consider him a son. Just listen to what he told Littlefoot. All the others found parents, but not Shorty. I really pity Shorty. Bron seems to be more like a leader than a parent to him. It is not for kindness that Bron took care of anyone!
5. Speaking of taking care, let's take a look at how much Bron cares about his herd. He says he cannot accompany Littlefoot and his grandparents to the Great Valley as he has to go back to his herd. Now that's noble, isn't it? He would so much like to come along with his son, but he will sacrifice his personal luck for the wellbeing of his herd which apparently cannot survive a day without him...
But wait a second, is not the herd supposed to be right there, at the crater where the solar eclipse occurred? All longnecks were supposed to be there!
We know that all longnecks were not there. Ali and her herd was missing and so was Doc. There must have been quite a few who either didn't have that dream or didn't get there in time. But how is it possible that Bron and a part of his herd was there, but another part wasn't? There is no doubt that not all of Bron's herd was there, as he told Littlefoot he was looking forward to introduce him to the rest of the herd. Now can you give me a reason why Bron would leave what must be a considerable part of the herd rather than leading all of them there? I have a theory and as you may expect it doesn't cast a positive light on Bron, but I beg you to give me a better reason.
It appears that Bron left behind the part of his herd that was too slow to make it to the crater in time for the solar eclipse. If he really did, doesn't that mean that he must've left the old, the weak, the too young kids etc. behind? Not the kind of herd members a good leader should leave to their fate! I just hope he left some strong longnecks behind to protect them. Bron must have something that makes other dinosaurs follow him, but he doesn't show any of the responsibility true leadership demands!
6. Did you notice how Bron talked to Littlefoot about sharpteeth? "Sharpteeth are cowards!" Even though the statement seems to apply to the extremely harmless sharpteeth in the land before time 10 I wish he would say that into the face of the sharptooth who killed Littlefoot's mother!
Bron's statement is a generalization and it is also quite insensitive talking this way in front of Littlefoot whose mother was killed by a sharptooth. Also I wonder if Littlefoot thought of Chomper when his father said this. Wouldn't Chomper be a perfect counterproof? It does take courage to attack a grownup sharptooth while you are still a hatchling, and it does take courage (even for a grownup sharptooth) to attack huge leafeaters.
Bron doesn't need to fear sharpteeth, for he is invulnerable! We see a sharptooth biting his leg, but it doesn't cause much more than an "Ouch". We don't see a scratch, Bron doesn't limb or anything. They could've made all this so much more dramatic if they had stirred up some memories about the death of Littlefoot's mother. Bron is arrogant and invulnerable!
7. Bron had given Littlefoot up! Even though he apparently never heard anything about him after learning about the death of his mother, he just stopped looking. What Bron says to Littlefoot is: "I can't wait to introduce you to the others back home". The statement leaves no doubt that Bron's herd is not a herd of migrators (as Ali's) but has one place to stay, similar to the Great Valley I suppose. This fact does weaken the reproach of Bron being irresponsible for leaving the herd to head for the place where the solar eclipse takes place. So long he leaves them at a save, protected place...
However, it also raises the question why they depend on him at all. If they are in a place save enough to be left behind there by Bron (a place where they have stayed long enough to call it home), what for do they need a leader anyway? The Great Valley doesn't have one leader either, and there is not a one of the dinosaurs in the Great Valley that is so important for the Valley that his or her departure would cause any serious harm for the Valley's population.
8. Finally, if Bron was indeed so great and admirable character, how come that in nine previous movies he was so much ignored, that Littlefoot didn't even know he had a dad? Was there a good reason for Littlefoot's grandparents to try to conceal Bron from Littlefoot? Perhaps so. Littlefoot's grandparents may well have intended not to tell Littlefoot about Bron, fearing that he would risk his life trying to find his father. Still I'm not sure that explaination justifies leaving Littlefoot so ignorant he didn't even know he had a Dad.
In almost all of his actions he comes across as quite the opposite of what he is supposed to be. He does not really seem to care about anyone (leaving his wife without need in time of her pregnancy, merely accepting that others follow him rather than deliberately taking care of them, leaving part of his herd behind, having given up the search for his son without checking the most likely place, and not having accepted Shorty as a kind of adopted son in all those years).
He does not seem to be very sensitive (his attitude towards Shorty, his talking of "Sharpteeth being cowards" to his son whose mother had been killed by one, and silly as they are one cannot really accuse the LBT 10 Sharpteeth as cowards starting an uphill battle against the longnecks many more of whom might have joined the fight, but were apparently too cowardly to do so.
Bron's story makes so little sense that, was it not for the fact that it is the makers of LBT who messed up here, I would go so far as to call him a poor liar.
Being the product of very poor and unfitting planning on the part of the producers which is not exactly the fault of the character himself I would call him a very poorly masked patchwork. As such I could almost feel pity for him, or for Littlefoot who falls for every word which the careless creators of Bron put in his mouth, if I wasn't too annoyed about this lack of care as to allow for any such sympathetic emotion as pity :bang
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Bron would come across far better if they had done a few more drafts of the movie before animation was started. It would have improved the movie a lot also.
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Ya know. I think Littlefoot's dad was ment to be a mystery. As Malte stated times before, sequels were not in mind.
For all we know when they said that what was left of Littlefoot's heard, his father could have very well perished. Do we even know what a dinosaurs gestation period is?
He could have been killed when she was pregnant or soon before she gave birth. Sure it was neat to see Bron and all...but I would have liked it better if he were a mystery...
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Of all the LBT sequels, X is my favorite, and it "connects the dots" (if not all of them) from the original 1988 movie.
I agree that Bron is cool but what makes him cool? Maybe it's that inner strength, the compassion, and the fun loving side. Hey aren't these the same qualities as Littlefoot's mom?
BTW does Littlefoot's mom have a name?
I read this thread from the beginning and noticed some sharp observations Re: apatosaurus. Doesn't the name mean "deceptive lizard"?
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Maybe if he had been Littlefoot's uncle. The film has many good scenes, but it also has many problems and plot holes and continuity problems too.
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I don't really see that compassion on the part of Bron. He does not shoo Shorty and the kids away, but in that flashback he doesn't even speak a word to any of them and does not "invite" them to his protection. While all the other little longnecks were adopted Bron doesn't even think about taking a parental role for Shorty until LBT 10 or else Shorty would hardly act the way he does.
Also Bron apparently left part of his herd behind ("Can't wait to introduce you to my herd back home") when he set out for that crater. What to make of that? Why would he leave anyone behind and whom would he leave behind? Those to slow to keep the pace (thereby the ones in the most urgent need of protection)?
There is of course a much "Bron friendlier" interpretation, namely that some just didn't come along because they didn't have that dream (which tears up another claim of the story, namely that all longnecks had that dream; a claim already discarded to some degree by the absence of Ali and Doc). But even so it would undermine the claim that dinosaurs followed Bron for his personality and leadership qualities.
Rather than connecting dots from the first movie I see LBT 10 as arbitrarily dotting around in the countryside without creating a coherent story.
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10 does have many problems. Which is why I'm thinking of, someday, using video editing software and cutting out & keeping the scenes that I like and watch those on the pc. As well as a section of the 4th movie. I've done it before with star wars episode 1, which I'll have to reedit to remove some more scenes. I'm about 70% happy with the version I have now. While I'm at it I may do some of superman 1 and 2. Though there would be few scenes from those movies, there would be some, and 1 from blade 2.
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Okay, it appears that we have "issues" regarding Bron, so let me see if I can set up a rough time-line for him:
1. At some time in the past, he marries Littlefoot's mother.
2. After she became pregnant with some eggs, Bron leaves to "find a better home", in spite of the fact that the place they were at appeared to be green at the time.
3. Between Bron's departure and return, a major earthquake hits and destroys the place where Bron had departed from.
4. Bron then looks for his wife and child, and finds out that she is dead.
5. Somewhere along the way, he becomes the leader of a herd and seems to have totally forgotten about his original plan to find his child.
6. Then the 10th movie happens, and later, he visits Littlefoot some times in the Great Valley.
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There's always been a lot of crazy stuff that seems to dominate Bron's past, but I for one prefer to observe the character as he seems to be in the movie: a kind and caring father.
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He didn't even act hurt when the sharptooth bit him. What is he, the LBT version of Chuck Norris perhaps? I don't think the story writers put a lot of effort into the character if you ask me. He had potential that they didn't use.
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What is he, the LBT version of Chuck Norris?
He could be.
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I would guess they did not want to show any blood. & they may have just messed up in spots too. Not thinking they could show an injury or forgetting for the next scenes that Bron was injured. Not the first time they may have messed up on some details here and there.
That and they do give some characters some powers. And I feel if more then 1 sharptooth can fall from a long distance and get merely stunned, jumping a long distance, why shouldn't some plant eaters have some powers too, it is only fair. After all Ali can travel long distances in minutes, why should Bron not have some powers too, if you want to take the powers viewpoint.
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I'm bumping this topic in order to bring up the possibility of Bron being in the "In the Land Before Time" RP, if he isn't there already. I'd like to introduce his herd at some point.
EDIT: This might be copy-pasted to the roleplay section.
EDIT AGAIN: Bron is already taken after all. Unless his player isn't going to USE him...
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I'm bumping this topic in order to bring up the possibility of Bron being in the "In the Land Before Time" RP, if he isn't there already. I'd like to introduce his herd at some point.
EDIT: This might be copy-pasted to the roleplay section.
EDIT AGAIN: Bron is already taken after all. Unless his player isn't going to USE him...
Oh, don't worry,I'm planning on using him in my next post.
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Cool! Can't wait to see what you want to do with him! And I've taken Bron over in another RP, so I can do what I wanted to do with him there!
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alright well I didn't use him in my current post but I plan on using him later on in the RP.
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That's cool. Maybe soon...
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like now :)
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Did you just arbitrarily insert him in because I brought him up? :lol
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no :slap
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:lol Sure looks like it. :DD
No offense meant. :D
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I have...mixed feelings on him. He seems nice, but there's something about him, maybe his apearence or voice...that's a little, I dunno, creepy. And we don't know anything about his family, and he didn't appear, nor even get a mention, in 9 films---9 very memorable, though not always great, films. What to do when a character of such high importance---being the father of the main character---suddenly shows up? One things's for sure---LBT 10 was pretty clear that the series will never be the LBT we knew and grew up loving, for better or worse, with the new, unnecessary knowledge of Littlefoot's father, which Ithink was best left to fafiction. Of course, 11 was worse.
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I didn't really see a problem with Littlefoot's father appearing so late. They had to do something new and different and introducing his father was their solution.
The idea of it happening suddenly is likely what they had in mind. They wanted not only Littlefoot to be shocked, but their audience as well (though if you read the summary beforehand it's pretty much spoiled). Littlefoot was not looking for his father, and the audience was not expecting him to. Then out of the blue, Littlefoot finds his father and is left speechless.
Why it happened so late may be because the creators couldn't think of an idea of how he met his father that they were satisfied with, or maybe they originally weren't going to do a father at all until someone suggested it. Who knows?
But being late in the movies (movie 10) should never be a reason not to introduce a character like Bron. To me, it just seems silly to say "Oh it's been too many movies; we shouldn't introduce this character" as a basis for why a character shouldn't show up.
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I still think 9---at the very latest---should have been the last LBT film. 10-13 and the TV series were crap. As for Bron, there's still something---weird about him. Whereas you instantly love Grandma and Grampa and his mom in movie 1---Bron is...odd. Someone said in a review of the film that the voice was perfect for the character. Firstly, not only is the voice creepy---how can it be perfect for the character when it is the freakin' character? He's not based on someone from a book or an earlier film or anything. And, to top it off, we don't know anything about his family---which makes him all the more...suspicious.
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What do you think of him TrulyFantasticMe? You had him humiliating Pterano so does that mean you don't...?
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I'm having him as the leader of the Great Valley right now in my fanfic, since Grandpa Longneck is passed on. I just think that's pretty interesting.
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Can you please tell me what you think of him, trulyfantasticme? You said you didn't see Grandpa as the kind of guy to humiliate Pterano, so why Bron? Do you see him as someone who likes watching others' humiliation? Cause if there was anything that made you feel that way about him, then we should all get that same nasty vibe.
Bron's such a creep. He's like, the dinosaur equivalent to "the guy all the girls want"---which is obviously what Pterano wants to be and which emphazises his humiliation even further. He's not as annoying as Pterano, though, thank god.
Oh, and who are his parents? Huh? Ever wondered about that?!!!! The fact that we know absolutely nothing about his family, as well as the fact that he apparently remembers his wife as blue?!??, doesn't make me instantly like him. Oh, and can someone explain this, which I got from tv tropes:
Daddy Had A Good Reason For Abandoning You: Depending on your definition of good. Bron did explain himself, and initially he was powerless, but that's as good as his excuse is.
Can someone please explain that? I mean, it makes a little sense if you watch MarzGurl's review but what thehell do they mean that's as good as his "excuse" is? I don't remember any "excuse"
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Can you please tell me what you think of him, trulyfantasticme? You said you didn't see Grandpa as the kind of guy to humiliate Pterano, so why Bron? Do you see him as someone who likes watching others' humiliation? Cause if there was anything that made you feel that way about him, then we should all get that same nasty vibe
Still waiting to see if you'll respond :smile
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I honestly don't know why I chose Bron. It just made a little more sense to me. I don't think Grandpa would try to himiliate Pterano like that.
And Bron would?
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Well, Grandpa isn't really much of a practical joker. He's never tried to play a dirty trick on anybody. It's just not in his nature to do something like that, even if he hates the guy.
Bron seems like more of a joker to me. He doesn't do it directly anywhere, but I'm sure if we saw him more, he'd do it eventually. He wouldn't even have to hate Pterano to do it. He could just find out that Pterano get's scared easily (Which he does. He's kind of like Cera in that he acts like he's tough and brave, but he's really a scaredy egg inside.). He might do it to Pterano just because he knows the old flyer would react to it comically, and he wants a good laugh.
Does that answer your question?
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I like Bron. I think he's an awesome father to Littlefoot. I thought it was absolutely ADORABLE when him and Littlefoot were playing around, and bonding like a real father and son would. It was just so cute! :DD
And yes, Vonbob has a point.
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I thought it was absolutely ADORABLE when him and Littlefoot were playing around, and bonding like a real father and son would. It was just so cute!
What, during the "Me and My Dad" song? I made a discussion wondering if what we were seeing was just Littlefoot imagining what they could do; people answered who seemed sure it happened. (Which was what I initially thought too.)
I know I may be going a bit far here, but who's to say that Littlefoot never woke up from his dream at the beginning?
I for once would find that very cool indeed. Making that whole plot of LBT 10 nothing but a dream might have been the only way to explain the countless logic failures and cases of incoherence in this story which I don't think two good songs and a few good basic ideas could make up for.
Unfortunately I see no way at all in which all of LBT 10 could be reinterpreted as a dream and I understand that the story has been cemented by a TV episode including the characters (I haven't seen that one fro myself yet).
I'm still hoping that 10-13 and the whole TV series was one huge nightmare that Littlefoot had that he'll finally wake up from in the hypothetical movie 14.
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Aside from the continuity errors in his backstory, I see nothing else wrong with Bron.
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First I want to say that I'm glad he's introduced :yes
I fully agree with Malte and some others that a lot of mistakes were done and that many plotholes were created.
But I still like him to a certain degree... He has a great potential for fic writers( I write a fic where Bron has quite a lot importance)
All in all the idea of LBT 10 was good, but they made too many things wrong :(
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I fully agree with you Ducky. :yes
I'm also with Malte on this... those writers have made it a pain for me to try and make sense of his story for a fanfiction I'm trying to write which includes that particular event... it just doesn't make much sense and created too many plotholes. :anger
As for the character himself, hey, he's all right. He seems like a nice enough guy, and it's nice to see Littlefoot have another family member. Overall, I have a mixed opinion on him. :yes
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I guess I'd have to say "Me Three!" continuing on from Ducky and Ram there :)
I really, really liked the character of Bron - his manner showed he was really fatherly and protective, and (Keifer Sutherland's voice!!! YES) you could tell he was really hit hard by realizing he might very well be alone, without a mate, without a son, without his family, after the Earthshake.
I guess I didn't realize the errors in his story at first, but even so, they haven't changed my perception of him.
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Like I said before, I never really understood where the impression of Bron as particularly protective, fatherly and responsible is comming from. Having established that his son is not among the young longnecks he found he just walked off without even saying a word (not to mention encouraging the helpless longnecks to follow him). He never gave any thought to "adopting" shorty and only towards the very end of the movie we see him interact with him for any other purpose than admonishing him for a kind of attitute which Shorty might never have developed had Bron been the kind of father figure for him which everyone seems to believe Bron to be.
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In Bron's defense, he may not have known at the time that the kids were orphans. The LBT series has very well established that the children can travel far from their parents during the day for playtime. Bron may have thought that there was already someone taking care of them.
Think about it. If you were walking through the woods and you stumbled upon a baby animal of some kind, would you think it's a good idea to take them with you when you have no idea where the parents are? In most cases, the parents are away getting food and will be returning; moving the young animal(s) would do more harm than good.
This can be applied in Bron's situation with encountering the orphan longnecks. Maybe in his story as he told Littlefoot, he might have said they were orphans (I really don't remember) but at the time, there's a chance he may not have known.
If this is the case, if he did believe that they had a parent somewhere waiting for them, then Bron not asking them to come with him could be seen as an act of kindness: sacrificing his happiness so he didn't make another parent miserable.
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At the very least he could have mustered enough compassion to open his mouth and ask the kids.
My point is mainly that I really don't see where the credit is comming from that Bron receives being recognized for supposed compassion and care of which I just don't think we saw much in LBT 10.
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I really love Bron. I feel the same way about him that so many people here feel about Pterano!
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I don't know if anybody has suggested this already, but regarding Bron's apparent lack of search for Littlefoot in the Great Valley, I thought maybe Bron had searched there and did not find Littlefoot. Maybe he arrived at the Great Valley before Littlefoot and his friends in the original movie- and as well as the other adults as well because he did not meet up with Littlefoot's grandparents either.
I know it is kind of a stretch to believe because Bron began his search long after Littlefoot and the others but being an adult probably means Bron could move faster than kids (the gang) to the Great Valley, and since he was probably traveling alone, it is also possible for him to travel faster than the grownup's herd, because traveling in a herd means you have to wait for everyone to rest and eat, and make they keep up, and things that take up time.
I've always felt that the way Bron said he going to bring his entire herd to the Great Valley to visit at the end of LBT 10 meant that he had been there before and he knows the way. However, since he got there before Littlefoot he did not find his son and so moved on to search for him somewhere else. It was only then that Bron's herd own began to form and to try to answer another question about Bron- why he was unable to go to the Great Valley with Littlefoot at the end of LBT 10- I think it was because Bron's herd at this time is too big. He does mention he had to leave some of his herd behind during the longnecks trip to the crater valley so we never see the size of the entire herd; maybe Bron's herd is too big a population for the Great Valley to support for a long time. They could only visit but not stay.
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That's an interesting theory, Skycolor. I don't remember anyone else coming up with that theory. Most people just think of him as a dead-beat dad who abandoned his mate and gave up on finding his son too easily.
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Very interesting theory you explained here indeed:yes
Bron's backstory was kind of vague in the movie, thus I have written a story that is centered on Bron & Shorty ( + Ali). Still in progress though. Check it out if you like (link in my sig, Shorty's Dark Past)
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That is an interesting idea, SkyColor. It seems that much of the fandom is split on whether Bron is, as Vonboy put it, a deadbeat who gave up too easy or simply a victim of extremely poor writing. The idea that perhaps he arrived at the valley first and couldn't find anyone would explain why he would have abandoned his search or at least put it on hold. If you heard that your mate had died and found no sign of Littlefoot at the proposed destination, then it would be logical inference that your son probably didn't make it. :yes
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As for the name, interestingly enough Littlefoot too was meant to be named after the outdated (no pun intended) "Brontosaurus". In an early script he was named "Thunderfoot"
Makes me wonder what would've happened if for some reason they went with RumbleFoot. :lol
Thunderfoot, eh? Now we know what to name one of Littlefoot and Ali's children. :lol
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If I had my way, I'd have rewritten X to have Bron say that
He was chased by Sharptooth. He was able to get away, but hit his head on a rock and lost his memory (he probably wouldn't know the word "amnesia") and he forgot who he was for many years.
Eventually, he remembers and goes searching for Littlefoot and his wife. However, he finds that his wife has been killed by Sharptooth and that his son is missing. He would pick up longnecks, looking for Littlefoot.
Also, the chased by Sharptooth could give his wife and Grandpa and Grandma Longneck the impression that Sharptooth made a meal of him (which would explain why they didn't go looking for him either, something the film also doesn't explain with Bron's reason for being absent for so long.)
(Heck, maybe it DID happen, more or less, and, as Bron lost his memory, he just can't remember it! :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol )
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In spite of the earlier LBT 10 claim that "all longnecks" were going to that crater (obviously untrue with the absence of Doc and Ali's herd)
I know it's sort of offtopic, but I thought I'd point out that the longneck mom we saw in LBT 9 wasn't there either.
I suppose there's only so much "continuity porn", as TV Tropes calls it, that a sequel can include.
Well, hopefully Journey of the Brave will finally change that.
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It was litkely it would have cost too much design and voicework to inlclude all of those other longneck characters in the 10th film. They probably understandably don't have so much of a budget for the sequals, as their only direct-to-dvd, and you can only expect to make so much income ffrom that.
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Well, of course it would have been awesome to have some characters like Ali and Doc return in LBT 10 but there's one problem which I think might have been the reason for the story-writers not to include them in the end. Every character in any LBT movie has a sort of purpose - a role to play in the story. Even the Yellowbellies or these odd speaking fuzzies in the TV-series had a role to play in their respective movies/episodes.
Now what role would you give Ali or Doc in LBT 10? As much as I would have liked to see them return, I don't really see a fitting role for them in LBT 10. They would've been unneccessary characters because their impact on the plot of LBT 10 would have been minor or even non-existent. In short, the movie works without them. And yes, money might have also been a reason there :p
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I don't know if anybody has suggested this already, but regarding Bron's apparent lack of search for Littlefoot in the Great Valley, I thought maybe Bron had searched there and did not find Littlefoot. Maybe he arrived at the Great Valley before Littlefoot and his friends in the original movie- and as well as the other adults as well because he did not meet up with Littlefoot's grandparents either.
I know it is kind of a stretch to believe because Bron began his search long after Littlefoot and the others but being an adult probably means Bron could move faster than kids (the gang) to the Great Valley, and since he was probably traveling alone, it is also possible for him to travel faster than the grownup's herd, because traveling in a herd means you have to wait for everyone to rest and eat, and make they keep up, and things that take up time.
I've always felt that the way Bron said he going to bring his entire herd to the Great Valley to visit at the end of LBT 10 meant that he had been there before and he knows the way. However, since he got there before Littlefoot he did not find his son and so moved on to search for him somewhere else. It was only then that Bron's herd own began to form and to try to answer another question about Bron- why he was unable to go to the Great Valley with Littlefoot at the end of LBT 10- I think it was because Bron's herd at this time is too big. He does mention he had to leave some of his herd behind during the longnecks trip to the crater valley so we never see the size of the entire herd; maybe Bron's herd is too big a population for the Great Valley to support for a long time. They could only visit but not stay.
I actually had this thought for a long time and I just didn't sign up on the forums long enough ago to make the suggestion. Thank you for expanding my points there. :D
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Ah, Littlefoot’s father. He does share the same even-keel temperament that Littlefoot, his mother, and Grandpa and Grandma Longneck possess. I surmise alikes didn’t repel when it came to Littlefoot’s parents. ;)
It’s of note that Bron seems to have a sense of responsibility where he decides to act himself. He decides to scout out for a more immediately safer place to raise Littlefoot other than the Great Valley. He takes Shorty and other orphaned children in while searching for Littlefoot. He eventually accepts the duty of herd leader even though he hadn’t looked for it. He looks after Shorty even when no one else would accept him into the family. He personally rescues Wild Arms despite the dangers. Whatever the issue, Bron doesn’t appear to mind getting his paws dirty as long as it improves conditions or see someone be safe.
As for how Bron is as a herd leader, I get the sense he does take the needs and words of his herd into consideration. He makes a proposal about where to go next and how to get there, and he listens to the feedback of the others. They make their case back and forth until there’s a majority or consensus opinion. I believe Bron prefers that kind of leadership. He does have some trust in his own judgement but he has made mistakes as he got used to his role and he would prefer to have a check in case he made some more errors in.
Of course, just because he cares about others doesn’t mean he can’t be insensitive. I wouldn’t go so far as to say he’s a deadbeat father but are moments when he seems oblivious to the feelings of others. When he looked after Shorty, he seemed to think of this duty as simply that of a Good Samaritan looking after a troubled neighborhood kid. It didn’t seem to occur to Bron that Shorty might see him as something more until Littlefoot brings it up. Even when the adoption becomes official, he at times give more attention to Littlefoot than Shorty. I don’t think this is intentional. If Bron has this behavior pointed out to him, I’m sure he’d feel guilty and do his best to correct it. I’m not sure where this behavior originates but I find it makes him a more interesting character then if he was a deadbeat or saint.
It’s been commented on a few times but Bron can also be quite playful, as seen with the “It’s great to have a dad” sequence. He looks like he’s having as much fun as Littlefoot. I have a headcanon that when there is downtime, he likes to play with the herd’s kids. This serves a dual purpose. He wants to make sure the youth are happy and entertained but I also think he does this both to make up for not being able to play the role of father for so long and to have a release valve for all the work and stress being a measured herd leader is. I think he revel in being silly once in a while, much to embarrassment of Shorty and some of the kids. Some might roll their eyes at that but I believe others would be fond of it.
In concern with his relationship to Shorty, I have the sense if Bron knows the boy is having an issue, he will try to solve it. I suspect he still has some guilt for not always taking Shorty’s emotions and needs into consideration. Bron knows Shorty would both like and find it annoying but he can’t resist checking up on the boy. Though from how he behaves in his TV show appearance, I kind of got the sense that Bron wanted to either allow Shorty to figure things out on his own or wait until Shorty gets experienced enough to get the explanations. Bron was rather vague about why Shorty wouldn’t be taking the Longneck Test yet and I’m kind of curious if Bron didn’t elaborate on why or if Shorty didn’t understand his explanations.
He probably plays with Shorty by indulging in some of the mischief the boy can get in. If Shorty, for example, throws a snowball at Bron, Bron would respond by throwing a snowball back. Bron likely enjoys that tit-for-tat bonding and putting a smile on Shorty’s face through these games.
That’s all I can think of for Bron. I had a lot of this pinned down while thinking about and watching his scenes but there are parts of him I’m still attempting to figure out (A writer’s exploration of a character is never done).
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Kiefer Sutherland as Bron was a delight in LBT X. However, in my humble opinion, Bron emergence distracts from Little Foot and His Grand Parents. Until the Great Longneck Migration, Little Foot experiences being raised by Grand Pa Longneck and Grand Ma Longneck; the fact they were the only ones left to raise him made the dynamic interesting. Granted, Bron has his own herd and cannot stay in the Great Valley, so much hasn't changed in some respects, but the fact that one of Little Foot's parents is alive removes the sting of LBT Original Film, that Little Foot is an orphan until he finds his Grandparents.
If little foot has to choose between Bron and Grand Pa Longneck, I am for Team Grand Pa. :p :smile