The Gang of Five
The Land Before Time => General Land Before Time => Character Discussion => Topic started by: Amaranthine on May 03, 2008, 08:52:11 PM
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I really love these guys (especially Sierra) mostly because I thought they were pretty funny.
Like Rinkus' comment when Pterano slaps him for slapping Petrie:
Pterano: If there is one thing I will not tolerate, it's violence!
Rinkus: Then why are you hitting me?
XD
And Sierra, with his countless, "So what?"s and this line:
Pterano: Sierra! Show some self-control will you?
Sierra: Self-control my tail-bone! I have puttin' up with that whiny little voice since we took off! No, no, no! Jeb, jeb, jeb! It's driving me, nuts, nuts, nuts! ::D
I also like Sierra simply because I love his name. And the voice actor, my gosh Jim Cummings is one amazing voice actor!
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Those two are funny, but also pretty nasty villains also.
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Yeah, that may be so, but hardly no other villains in the LBT world are like that.
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I think Sierra & Rinkus are two of the more cooler villains in any of the LBT movies. But have you ever noticed that they have a few similaity's to Ozzie & Strut, in fact here's one similaity.
Ozzie wanted to throw Littlefoot off a cliff in the 2nd movie. And I'm almost sure that Sierra wanted to let Ducky go, when he was holding on to her, when he was flying in that one part of the 7th movie?
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And I'm almost sure that Sierra wanted to let Ducky go, when he was holding on to her, when he was flying in that one part of the 7th movie?
Yeah, he probably would be more than eager to do so, but Pterano did say to them "that forces me to make a small change in our flight plan". Meaning that he want to take Ducky away so she wouldn't tell anyone about his plan. Of course, that was pretty stupid, because Ducky screams so everyone knows what Pterano is up to. :p
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Those two are pretty interesting characters. I happen to like them both...I would be interested to see their return in a future sequel. And I'm willing to bet that Sierra wouldn't think twice or feel too much guilt over dropping Ducky....or anyone else for that matter! :DD
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Very true, I could see those 2 returning to get revenge perhaps on the kids, especially Ducky perhaps. It would be interesting to have certain villains return. In the tv series most of the movie good guy characters have returned but none of the villains, and in movies only Chomper has returned, not counting Tria and Tricia, who became part of the movie cast.
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You have an interesting point about the similarity of Ozzy and Strut with Rinkus and Sierra, Dark Pterano. However, there are some significant differences also.
The comparison would probably suggest Sierra to be similar to Ozzy (both the "tough" guys) and Rinkus to be similar to Strut (as the "not so tough" guys).
However, in case of Ozzy and Strut, Strut comes across as not much of a thinker and as Ozzy's follower only. Strut makes suggestions, but only suggestions which are usually turned down by Ozzy (eating of green stuff, when is it Ozzy's time to carry the stolen egg etc.). The one suggestion of Strut which Ozzy accepts happily (throwing Littlefoot from the Great Wall) reveals Strut to have some of the cruelty which Rinkus also reveals (suggesting torture to get Littlefoot to tell about the landing site of the Stone of Cold Fire). None of Strut's suggestions suggests him to be very intelligent though.
In case of Rinkus and Sierra, Sierra's brawn doesn't seem to come along with as much brain as Rinkus has while Rinkus in turn seems to be the smarter of the two but certainly the weaker. There are moments when Rinkus too doesn't seem to be the brightest bulb in the chandelier (e.g. when Pterano has to lay out to him why they can't threaten Littlefoot into telling them about the landing site of the Stone of Cold Fire), but he is certainly not as much of a naive follower as Strut is. Rinkus is more stealthy and pursues his own purposes. There are certainly similarities between Ozzy and Sierra respectively Strut and Rinkus, but there are very clear differences as well.
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I hate these characters. Always have and I always will. I don't see what's to love about an evil character. They're nice to have in a story though because without villains in a story you get something like tellitubbies. :lol
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they are not one of my favorites,
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I never seen them as anything else, except for the minor villians. I don't like them much, anyway. Just two ordinary cartoon thugs. :huh:
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With regard to villains I think we must differentiate between "liking them" as in being really fond of them or their actions or "liking them" as interesting characters which really make for an interesting story though we don't like their actions and misdoings.
Personally I definitely prefer those villains which actually do pose a thread above those who seem to be a mere entertainment for the kids. The later is the case with those harmless sharpteeth in LBT 8, 10, and 11. Characters like Ozzy, Strut, Rinkus, and Sierra often come in as a comical relief, but nevertheless they are dangerous to some degree. Sharpteeth like that of the original movie or of LBT 9 are definitely an intimidating menace to the characters and they don't loose much of that effect by slapstick actions such as Cera attacking the presumed dead Sharptooth or Mo slapping the swimming sharptooth with his tail fin.
When I talk about "liking" a villain I usually mean that I like the way he or she contributes to making an exciting story rather than approving of his or her crimes as such.
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There are some villains in the LBT movies which show that you can do one of them mainly seriously where they are a threat to the kids, but are not to "scary" to the young viewers, it's to bad other writers don't take note of this.
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That's one thing I've noticed about the LBT movie villains. In fact only six of them have had real names in the movies and three in the T.V. series, nine in total.
All of the other villains don't really have names, well maybe Sharptooth, Sharpteeth or Swimming Sharptooth, but that's not really a name, but more of a title for said villain's.
LBT 2: Strut & Ozzy
LBT 4: Ichy & Dil
LBT 7: Rinkus & Sierra
LBT Series: Redclaw, Screech & Thug
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LBT (the original) did have a name for the villian, The Sharptooth.
This wasn't any ordinary sharptooth but one with supernatural physical abilities.
I actually liked Sierra and Rinkus because they made a very good contribution to the plot.
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Since I'm still new here. I don't know where to put this, but I've thought up a couple of odd yet funny mix n match LBT villain team up duo's? :lol
1. Sierra & Ozzy
2. Rinkus & Strut
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The couplet of a flyer and a "biter" has been there in the shape of Ichty and Dill. Perhaps that couplet would have a very remote similarity to the couplet of Sierra and Ozzy. The main difference seems to be that there was a kind of dependency of Ichty (who could not attack any large prey (but would have probably been less dependent on Dill than vice versa)) and Dill (who could barely see) on each other. There wouldn't be the same kind of dependency in case of a Sierra / Ozzy couplet. With both of them being intent to be the top of the pecking order I guess the two would be very unlikely to team up unless they somehow just got along very well with each other from the beginning. Neither would really "need" the other one, so their teaming up with each would probably not be based on anything but true friendship, which I think would be generally an interesting idea as we haven't seen something so positive about LBT villains so far (with the possible exception of Chomper's parents, but not only are they hardly real "villains" but also it is more a matter of love rather than friendship in their case).
In case of Rinkus and Strut Rinkus would probably be the dominant part but he probably wouldn't make a very good leader. Strut would probably be willing to follow "anyone" who tells him what to do so there might be a kind of minor dependency as Strut is not a very autonomous character.
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Personally, I don't think Sierra and Ozzy would be a good duo. Sierra is one of those macho rouges that would beat the living day lights out of you if you mess with him. Ozzy seems to be a bit more Pteranoish or Rinkus like because he is weird (Rinkus comes to mind) and he's one of those brainiac geniuses that wants to take over the world. >:) I think Sierra would turn against Ozzy right away.
If you have seen the early 90s disney cartoon Darkwing Duck, you may remember a villain by the name of NegaDuck. He and Sierra actually are voiced by the same voice actor and the voice actor uses his more deeper and rough voice for them. They do have a few similarities, they both like destruction and don't care about other people and what they saw about them. All they care about is exceeding to their own expectations. However, NegaDuck is more of a mad genius while Sierra is a bit more of your common rouge.
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Pterano: If there is one thing I will not tolerate, it's violence!
Rinkus: Then why are you hitting me?
Pterano: Right, make that two things: violence and STUPID questions!
:lol
I think that's one of the things that made me like him oh so long ago.
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Pterano: If there is one thing I will not tolerate, it's violence!
Rinkus: Then why are you hitting me?
Pterano: Right, make that two things: violence and STUPID questions!
:lol
I think that's one of the things that made me like him oh so long ago.
Yeah that quote is great.
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It is quite funny indeed.
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They are great but I wished they had some female bad guys,too. I was hoping for some evil female spitters like the one who killed Denis Nedry in the Jurassic ParkI. Evil and smart and able to fool other dinos into thinking them as cute and cuddly planteaters while in fact, they enjoy eating baby flatteeth. :mad
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That may be interesting, but they may think that is to scary, if they ever got the idea, for young kids who I think are the target audience.
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Finally, some love for these two!
I LOVE Rinkus and Sierra. They're two of my favorite characters and definitely my favorite LBT villains! I am fond of most of the early villains--Sharptooth, Ozzy and Strut, Hyp, Ichy and Dil--but Rinkus and Sierra are on the top of my list.
I haven't pinpointed exactly why yet...I love their personalities. Rinkus is my favorite out of the flyer trio (including Pterano). I love how he seems lowly and dumb, but is actually very clever. Some of his line are funny, too. "Then why are you hitting me?" LOL!
Sierra is awesome too. I usually don't like the characters who act like him, you know, ruthless, uncaring and violent. But I love Sierra and I'm not quite sure why. :blink: I guess I love him because he is dark, and a threat. Most of the LBT baddies weren't much of a threat at all, save the sharpteeth. Ichy and Dil would have been a good threat, if they were't the most comical villains. XD I loved how Sierra was dangerous and you knew it.
And of course, how they work together. Sierra losing his temper so easily and Rinkus having to hold him back or turn into a comedy relief....hee hee. :lol
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@RFZT: *high fives you*
WOOT! More fans!
I think Jim Cummings is an awesome voice actor for Sierra. They voice just works. He's one of those bad a** guys you know you can't mess with. Rinkus, the same, though he has more of a softer, gentler exterior, he's still threatening all the same.
Welcome to the forum by the way. :wave
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I did like the voice actors they chose for those to. I think the voices fit very well.
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I did like the voice actors they chose for those to. I think the voices fit very well.
They DID have good voice actors! I thought they were the perfect choices, in fact.
The whole trio was brilliant: Michael York, Rob Paulsen and Jim Cummings. Astounding. :D
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I love these two.
They do indeed have similarities to Ozzy and Strut, although they are smaller than they would seem.
Ozzy being somewhat intelligent, although bad-tempered and to a large degree cruel, while Sierra is more of a dumb brute(don't take this the wrong way).
Meanwhile, both Strut and Rinkus take on comical relief roles and initially seem very similar- until we start to see Rinkus' scheming side, and he turns out to be a rather smart guy, unlike Strut who was more dumb than anything.
That aside, Sierra is awesome. Check out the "Very Important Creature" part to see him pull of an awesome ninja trick.
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Whilst I do like Rinkus and Sierra. I never really associated them as characters, to me, I'm afraid I just saw them as 'henchmen' for Pterano.
In a way, both Rinkus and Sierra partly remind me of Banzai, Ed and Shenzi from The Lion King. There characteristics are similar albeit slight in the way they scheme, are selfish, comic relief roles.
I am not sure, it is only my impression.
However, whilst I do like them they are not, in my opinion what I class as villains worthy of being great. I class Ozzy and Strut as such villains.
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I do not quite agree, though I do see your point.
You are certainly right that we learn very little about Rinkus and Sierra as characters, but as for them being mere henchmen of Pterano, one should not overlook that they are actually revolting against him. The one thing I do wonder about is why they followed Pterano in the first place unimpressed as they seem to be by him even from the very beginning. As for Banzai and Ed I do not quite agree either. Ed is not even able to talk and apart from being rather stupid (gnawing the own leg in one scene) we don't know anything about him at all. As for Sierra, he may not be the brightest bulp in the chandelier, but he does have enough self-confidence to openly contradict Pterano and to plan opposing him by violent means (thus not thoroughly accepting his role as a leader). He still maintains as much "sense" as to allow Rinkus to talk him into letting Pterano led them to the stone. This slyness of Rinkus in combination with his avoiding of physical confrontation (unless if Sierra is on his side too) also doesn't seem to match Banzai very much. Shenzi is the sly one of the three Hyenas, but she also displays a higher degree of self-confidence than we ever get to see from Rinkus or Sierra.
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It is just a feeling that I have, although since I haven't watched SOCF for a while the characteristics aren't fresh in my mind.
As to revolting against Pterano, I do see your point. Maybe I did misjudge the charactersitics. So I apologise over that.
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Please do not apologize Saft :)
Nothing to feel sorry about. I just gave my view and some points in favor of it while there are certainly points supporting a similarity between Rinkus / Sierra and Banzai / Ed.
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I apologise again for apologising. I feel a need to do so. It is a habit that I truely wish to loose.
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And of course, how they work together.
They work together, but I it may not be long-lived. Remember those lines, when they got to supposed "Stone of Cold Fire"?
"Show me the power!"
"No! Show it to me! To me!"
It may looks like they cooperate with each other only as long it is necessary to achieve their goal and then every one of them is willing to take all credits for himself. I hope they will continue to work together though, because I love this pair of villains. :)
I apologise again for apologising. I feel a need to do so. It is a habit that I truely wish to loose.
Just remember that constant apologizing may have sometimes bad results, like in ’’The Death of a Government Clerk’ by Anton Chekhow. ;)
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Just wanted to bumpmthis topic since I have been noticing a lot of Sierra, Rinkus, and Pterano subjects recently. :yes
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They are great but I wished they had some female bad guys,too. I was hoping for some evil female spitters like the one who killed Denis Nedry in the Jurassic Park I. Evil and smart and able to fool other dinos into thinking them as cute and cuddly planteaters while in fact, they enjoy eating baby flatteeth. :mad
Dilophosaurus, I believe. They would make great villians
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I think Rat_lady bumped this topic because of my many recent posts about Rinkus and Sierra.
(actually i've made more on Rinkus because I really love him so much)
If I were a flyer in the lbt world... here's how i'd feel about the 2.
for Rinkus: I think i've said enough on him. He'd be a very fun guy. He'd be the one i'd talk and hang around with the most. I know he wouldn't kick or claw me or beat me up if I didn't do anything wrong.
for Sierra: He'd be the one i'd hide from the most and be the most afraid of. I know though.. he'd come after me... in the middle of the night... out to kill me..
And no matter how fast or high I fly, he'd be right behind me.
If I quickly tried to hide in a cave... It wouldn't work either. because I know Sierra would find me..
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Some of the best LBT villains.
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The thing I like the most about Rinkus and Sierra is they were in my mind the first villains to place one of the gang in true peril with the kidnapping of Ducky. The only reason why I do not count Ozzy and Strut with Littlefoot is because that happened at the very end of LBT II. We had never seen a kidnapping in LBT as a main plot point before because we never really thought it was possible. LBT VII reinstated how threatening villains can be with Rinkus and Sierra, adding on to Ozzy and Strut as well as Dil and Icky (excuse spelling).
I like to view Rinkus and Sierra as an more advanced form of Ozzy and Strut. Ozzy never really came off as a tough guy in my mind (which is why I'm changing that in my fanfic), which is where Sierra excells. Sure he does not resort to physical confrontation necesarily, but he has shown to be quite forceful especially towards Pterano and Ducky. Rinkus is not as dependent as Strut is as he is a bit more crafty. Sure he may follow Pterano's lead, but give him the chance and he could easily turn on him (as he did in the end)
I think the thing I like most about them is the fact that they are both not sharpteeth. Their species were most likely to prey on fish, insectsm frogs, etc... They weren't planning on eating Ducky, but they were going to use her for their own devious needs. To coincide with Ozzy and Strut in LBT II, LBT VII reinforces the fact that sharpteeth were not the only antagonists in the LBT universe, practically any species could be "evil", depending on the particular character. I was just happy to see that they weren't just another villain looking to eat the gang.
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The only villains in the series that are actually a threat. What a treat these guys were :D ! And I definitely agree with what Rat-Lady says about Rinkus. You don't know what to expect from him, so he's definitely the most threatening between him and Sierra. He's even the first one who suggests killing/threatening Littlefoot into giving the location of the SoCF (which of course, Pterano quite obviously disapproved of. *Waves a little flag*) With Sierra...well, you KNOW what to expect from him and keep your guard up. You KNOW he's up to something, but you have no idea that Rinkus is. Which is pret-ty darn creepy. And I highly doubt Pterano would trust either of them ever again after what happened on Threehorn Peek.
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Rinkus is probably my favourite character in the whole series
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Rinkus is...meh, he's really weird, I even used to think he was a creepy old lady flyer. :wow
Sierra is awesome though! :smile I love him, Ichy, Ozzy and Dil!
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I used to think Rinkus was Sierra and he was a girl, and I thought Sierra was Rinkus and he was Rinkus's brother... Until I saw the tail. And then Pterano said Rinkus's name looking at him, and I was like, Oh. :smile
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Yeah, like...how many guys do you know named Sierra? I know none. :crazy
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Strange as it is, I've really grown to like Sierra a lot more than I used to; I can only imagine why since I have been rping as him on another forum just recently this month. I think Jim Cummings really did an excellent job on voicing him, and I really do like the character design that Universal gave him.
As for Rinkus, meh. Like I've said before, he isn't a real favorite of mine, but I am a fan of Rob Paulsen's voice work, so yeah. I actually know a friend of mine who originally thought that Rinkus was a girl at first just for his voice and appearance.
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Rinkus sounds a bit like my cousin. I've always grown fond of him and loved the way he acts. Some of his quotes are funny and his descriptions.
"...who's watching babble beak..."
And his encounter with Pterano,
(the quote is seen on the first post).
At first, I thought Rinkus was Sierra. I knew they were both guys, but just the names confused me.
Sierra, never grew too fond of him. I just like the deep, southern voice pretty much.
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Since I'm still new here. I don't know where to put this, but I've thought up a couple of odd yet funny mix n match LBT villain team up duo's? :lol
1. Sierra & Ozzy
2. Rinkus & Strut
As much as I like both Ozzy and Sierra as characters, I really don't think they'd be cut out as partners, much like the others have said.
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I always confused Sierra and Rinkus and sometimes still do :DD
They're enjoyable and dangerous villains. They have some great lines btw :lol :lol
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I really liked these guys, I thought they had much more of a threatening presence than Ozzy/Strut/Ichy/Dil/really any other villain we've seen thus far. And they genuinely worried me. "Holy shoot, how are the Gang gonna get Ducky back?! Pterano, WAKE UP!!!"
It's been said already, but the voices were superb^^
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This might come off as a little random, but rewatching the sequel, there's that scene where Pterano is practically begging the comet to bestow its magical gifts towards him, Rinkus calls him a fool, and then I seem to have misheard what Sierra said for the longest time.
I know he says: "Where's your cold fire Pterano? Where's your magic powers?!"
But for some reason I kept hearing: "I wish you got caught on fire Pterano. Where's your magic powers?!"
Like I was thinking Sierra was in his own way saying that if the stone really was a fake, at least Pterano should have been hurt in the process, which is better than not having the stone work at all.
Mind you, that would probably be a very Sierra-ish thing to say, but yeah for some reason that's what I kept hearing. :lol :P:
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Absolutely love those two as villains. They probably might be the most hardcore non-Sharptooth LBT villains to date, in my opinion.
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These two antagonists are interesting, because they seem to be the only overtly villainous green eaters in the series. Or at least they can be interpreted that way – I can’t recall if they ate anything on screen but I assumed any speaking flyer characters were whacked with the “eats green food” stick.
Anyway, they aren’t aligned against the gang because of the necessity of their diet, but out of selfishness and greed. I’ve become a bit of a fan of villains who’re among the protagonists’ own class/species/group. That makes them more threatening and relatable. Rinkus appearing weak and silly while being quite scheming and nasty is an example, as I can picture people like that existing in real life. Sierra can also be deceiving, since I recall encountering other characters like him who’re far more heroic, but then you’d realize how nasty he can go.
I do like the thought of them eventually forming a sort of friendship later on. Like Sierra saves Rinkus and dusts him off, saying losing him would make accomplishing goals more troublesome and Rinkus is uncomfortable but intrigued, knowing what is being implied. I’m fond of the thought of antagonists who’ll never think of joining the side of the protagonists but have genuine connections and loyalty to those among their group.
I kind of wonder how these two fell in with Pterano. Did Pterano persuade them to go with his ambitions? Did Sierra and Rinkus do the persuading? Were they the only ones Pterano could find that would agree to go along with his plans? However it happened, it would probably influence what might happen if the pair ever bump into Pterano again. Those two will probably know just what to say to get under his skin and the conflict can be delicious.
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They where okay characters I didn't mind them to much. They where not to annoying to me. As sequel villains go they where fine I did like the fact one was voiced by Jim Cummings that's very cool. I did like there schemes they pulled and I also liked how they turned there on there leader. So they where good villains for this movie.