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Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: action9000 on April 29, 2007, 03:07:41 AM
Welcome to the Lone Dinosaur karaoke project! :D

Here, the current status of the project will be discussed.  Any applicants interested in joining up in singing the song with us can post here and sing along!  

Currently, active members in this project include:
Petrie
Malte
Action9000
Pokeplayer984
SaphireRaptor

Deadline: May 11th, 2007.  *No longer accepting new members, thanks*
Basic Background Music arrangement completed: 100%.
Enhanced Background Music arrangement completed: ~25%

If you're new to the Gang of Five's karaoke projects or have any general questions, see this post (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=1362).

The music we are singing to can be downloaded here:
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...8BBC99611F199A7 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=18BBC99611F199A7)
If the link is down and you're interested in singing, let me know via MSN, PM, or whatever and I'll get you the music. B)
By the way, I will be removing the instruments that are playing the vocals once the voices are in place.  They are just there to help the singers find their place.  I know this song is kind of tricky to sing, timing-wise.

Post and apply to sing with us until May 11th!  You must submit your recording before this time, as I will be completing the final mix of the song soon afterwards.  If too many people apply, I will release two versions, with half of the participants in each version (too hard to mix more than about 6 people into the same song, when nobody has professional-quality microphones or abilities!)

(This is the message structure I will be using for all new songs in the future.  I decided our song projects needed more structure, as there was a bit of confusion in the past as to what exactly was going on).
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: action9000 on April 29, 2007, 02:06:30 PM
Adam, Malte:
I'm not exactly sure what happened.  I plugged your recordings into the music today, and this is what happened:
[Link removed]

No effects were applied; I just put the recordings in and stereo panned them.
Adam is on the left speaker.
Malte is on the right speaker.

I'm finding a strange problem: Adam, your recording seems to be at a slower tempo than my music.  You start in time, and drift more and more behind as the music progresses.

Malte, you're the opposite.  You start in time, then start going more and more Ahead of the music.

I don't know exactly why this would be, since I didn't change the tempo of my music...it doesn't seem like anything I can nicely deal with on my end.  I'll see if I can track down the problem but I"m currently not sure, except if both of you were singing out of time consistantly (which I doubt).

[EDIT] Okay I tracked down the source of the problem.  Adam, I think you're fine.  There's just some glitch in my computer causing the synch issue.  I *think* I fixed yours. ;)
Oh by the way, I'm learning some new Noise Reduction tricks.  I was able to knock the noise in Adam's recordings to basically zero without breaking his voice. B)

Malte, I'm finding that both of your recordings are sung a bit too fast.  I'll see if that is on my computer or not.  I'll get back to you if I need you to try again.  I don't know what is going on, exactly.
[/EDIT]
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: Malte279 on April 29, 2007, 03:20:23 PM
My mistake. After several messed up attempts with the midis I tried to sing to the MP3 version of the song from the movie. The length is almost the same and I hoped it would work out, but I'm afraid it is not close enough. The song is sung rather fast, perhaps the most difficult one we have had so far. I will do more recordings with the Midi and your voice in it Adam (The file is on the way to me as I am typing this). I guess I will have much less of a problem that way.
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: action9000 on April 29, 2007, 05:42:32 PM
No problem, Malte.  Feel free to send me another recording anytime :)

Adam: I have an update for you.  I seem to be lacking the end of the song from you.  My recordings cut off right at "defenseless".  I will not be able to put you in the end of the song unless you send me a new recording.  If you're okay with how it is, so am I. B)

I think I've basically finished mixing Adam's voice into the music.  This is a pretty good idea of what you will sound like in the final song.  Enjoy!
[Link removed]

As always, comments are welcome!  If there is anything you want to have changed, let me know. :yes
What do you think of my shiny new noise reduction? :P:

BY the way: The music is messed up at the end of this mp3.  Just ignore that; that was my fault, trying to do 2 things at once while i was saving the MP3.  That will be fixed in the final version. :p
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: Petrie. on April 29, 2007, 10:15:35 PM
Yeah I rock!!!  :D  Which numbered recording did you take...I think the last two were my best (#3 and #4).
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: Petrie. on April 29, 2007, 10:18:47 PM
Actually I just listened the duet-ish version...now that made me laugh because we're all off at some point.  :lol:
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: Petrie. on April 29, 2007, 10:21:26 PM
I listened to my copy all the way through this time, and you don't have the recordings of me that I have....I certainly went and sang the whole thing (and believe I did a much better job too :P: )  I guess I gave you demo tracks or something.

Expect an email from me.
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: action9000 on April 30, 2007, 04:19:04 PM
Got the e-mail
and now I have an update for you ;)
[Link removed]

Petrie: I used recording #4.  I will fix your timing at the end of the song for the final version.  If you listen to this, you drift out of time a little bit in the last chorus and come back in time at the very end.  I'll deal with this later by time-stretching some silence until it lines up :p
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: action9000 on April 30, 2007, 05:16:32 PM
UPDATE: Petrie
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...9B998301D63E7CE (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=F9B998301D63E7CE)

I have fixed the timing for the most part.  I also fixed a clipping problem found in the previous mp3.

Malte; Download this one instead, since the timing is better.
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: Petrie. on April 30, 2007, 09:45:29 PM
I don't have a clue as to why I'm out of synch.  :unsure:

Eh, its not half bad...sounded better without the music. :P:  Use whatever part you'd like to.
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: action9000 on May 03, 2007, 05:55:39 PM
UPDATE:
Here's a version with Malte and Adam together.
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...B70611224779E5F (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=5B70611224779E5F)
 Each of you has a significant solo.
Let me just say that I'm very happy with how this is turning out so far.  I plan to update this a bit still before the final version, so this shouldn't spoil it or anything.
Now if we can just get a couple more people involved...

I'm trying to find a place to host all of these songs permanently.  I figure that a potential option is to host lower-quality versions (maybe 112 kb/s MP3 if possible) of the song on my permanant website.  If somebody asks really nice, I can send them a higher-quality version (256, 320, FLAC, whatever). :P:
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: Petrie. on May 03, 2007, 07:50:20 PM
The next copy you can send to me in OptimFrog or APE.  :nyah  :nyah  Horray for crazy codecs nobody has heard of before.  Nah, mp3 is fine...most of us recorded in mp3 or some lossy format anyway so FLAC wouldn't make much difference.

Malte and me don't do too bad together.  :yes
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: action9000 on May 04, 2007, 05:56:56 PM
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most of us recorded in mp3 or some lossy format anyway so FLAC wouldn't make much difference.
All it would really do is improve quality of the instrumental parts slightly, as they are all basically uncompressed (.wav, 16-bit 44.1kHz) in my source.  The difference would be basically negligible though in most cases.
Malte and I have been recording in .wav in the past. I guess we're just special. :nyah

Speaking of which, I don't think I'll be able to sing in this project.  I have my doubts, finding time alone to record this by the set date of May 11.
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: action9000 on May 06, 2007, 07:48:30 PM
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Malte and me don't do too bad together. 
It could be even better if you both had the same microphone, but other than that I was very happy!  Great job guys! :D  :wow

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Speaking of which, I don't think I'll be able to sing in this project. I have my doubts, finding time alone to record this by the set date of May 11.
I *May* have an opporitunity to sing on Tuesday.  My temporary roommate was invited to his school to talk about his experience there, as a student survey or something.  As a result, he will be gone for at least a couple of hours, leaving me plenty of time for recording.

This is Only tentative though, since the transit system in this city is currently voting to strike.  If the busses and train drivers go on strike, my friend will have no way to get to school (which is on the opposite end of the city) for the survey.  If that happens, I won't have the house to myself to record. :P:
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: action9000 on May 06, 2007, 08:08:57 PM
Hey everyone!
We're still accepting singers for Lone Dinosaur!  Feel free to sign up and send me your recordings by May 11. B)
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: Petrie. on May 06, 2007, 08:43:18 PM
They don't likely sell the same things in Germany. :P:

BTW I pulled another vicious octave upsample and that was a riot.  :nyah
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: action9000 on May 06, 2007, 09:34:49 PM
Woohoo, now that I have to hear LOL
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: Petrie. on May 06, 2007, 10:39:02 PM
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=R2QRK9XL (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=R2QRK9XL)

And look Malte....I've even taken the liberty of adding a picture to our famous duet.

(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e294/mr300/twochips-add.jpg)
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: Malte279 on May 07, 2007, 03:20:08 AM
Oh dear, and who is the lass between us?  :lol
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They don't likely sell the same things in Germany.
Sell what things?
For some reason I cannot listen to your "riot" Adam. I keep being told that the file is temporarily unavailable.
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: action9000 on May 07, 2007, 03:31:36 AM
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Sell what things?
Microphones. :P:

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For some reason I cannot listen to your "riot" Adam. I keep being told that the file is temporarily unavailable.
Did you enter the 3-letter code on the download page, Malte?  The link works fine here.
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: Petrie. on May 07, 2007, 12:45:50 PM
I'm not sure Clarice would be impressed with what I'm doing to our lovely effort. :p  But its all in fun.

And you can get the file once you enter the three digit code and wait about 40 seconds.
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: action9000 on May 08, 2007, 03:21:22 PM
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*May* have an opporitunity to sing on Tuesday. My temporary roommate was invited to his school to talk about his experience there, as a student survey or something. As a result, he will be gone for at least a couple of hours, leaving me plenty of time for recording.

This is Only tentative though, since the transit system in this city is currently voting to strike. If the busses and train drivers go on strike, my friend will have no way to get to school (which is on the opposite end of the city) for the survey. If that happens, I won't have the house to myself to record. 
Well...that didn't work out so well.  My friend actually Slept Through his appointment, so I won't be getting my recording in after all.
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: pokeplayer984 on May 08, 2007, 05:31:42 PM
Hey Action9000, I sent you an e-mail.  Can you guess what it contains before you open it? ;)
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: action9000 on May 08, 2007, 05:32:37 PM
Got it ;)
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: action9000 on May 08, 2007, 06:56:21 PM
I should be able to record tomorrow afternoon.  My friend and I have started taking the dogs out separetely because they're trouble walking together.  That buys me a good 15 or 20 minutes alone to get a recording done. :p
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: pokeplayer984 on May 08, 2007, 07:58:18 PM
I SO hope the one I gave you works for you.  Today's the ONLY day I have time to make and give you a recording that I OBVIOUSLY worked hard on before the deadline. :)
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: action9000 on May 09, 2007, 07:02:25 PM
I was able to get some recording done today, but it's not as good as I'd like.  I'll try again tomorrow.  

P.S.  The 2-part chord on the group "Dinosaurrrr!"s will work if I can nail that bottom note.  If I'm off even a little, it will sound very ugly LOL.  I'll keep trying.  I almost got it once, in my first take.
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: Petrie. on May 09, 2007, 09:15:44 PM
Won't know unless you try. :)
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: action9000 on May 11, 2007, 07:16:46 PM
I have a couple of announcements about this song:
1) The deadline for this song has been reached.  Thanks to everyone who sent me their voices! B)

2) I was finally able to get a half-decent recording done, so I'll be in the final version.

3) I just need to do a bit of detail work before I release the final song. The details work will be mainly with voice balancing, technical changes (I have to switch out all my real-time compressors for less powerful versions since I'm out of CPU power when running this project), and *possibly* arrangement changes (if I can get something that sounds good).

My temporary roommate ( :p ) will be leaving for one evening this weekend.  I am going to use this opportunity to listen to this song on my speakers instead of on headphones.  during this process, I may be able to tweak the quality of our final song before I release it.  It's too tough to hear some subtle problems in a piece of music on headphones alone. I discovered that with If We Hold On Together, which I mixed entirely on headphones.  Bad idea! :lol

I'll have the final release posted up within a day or two (probably tomorrow).  I think this one will end up sounding awesome!  The voice chords on the later choruses are very cool!  If we ever do "Adventuring", we'll ideally need somebody who can take a note that isn't the "main" note, near the end to fill the 3-voice chords there, but anywho...

Thanks for everyone's great efforts! :D
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: Saphireraptor on May 12, 2007, 12:18:34 AM
woops forgot to send in my recording didnt i:P
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: action9000 on May 12, 2007, 12:27:29 AM
Afraid so...but don't worry!  I'll still be working on the finishing touches of the music tomorrow, so if you send me your recording by tomorrow evening, I can add you in. B)
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: Petrie. on May 12, 2007, 07:58:20 AM
Can't wait. :)  The demos I've been getting are awesome.
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: Malte279 on May 12, 2007, 08:21:36 AM
I hope to hear your voice in the final version Saphireraptor! :yes
No flattery meant, but you sure made a huge difference for the better in case of earlier song projects.
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: pokeplayer984 on May 12, 2007, 11:11:28 PM
I really can't wait for this one.  I really want to see how my voice mixes in with the others. :)
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: action9000 on May 13, 2007, 04:59:15 AM
Couple more announcements:

1) I ran into some technical problems with my software.  My 'borrowed' registration code was cancelled so I no longer have a fully functional version of my primary music software, FL Studio.  In response, I decided it was time to throw in the towel and actually buy the program. :p  I am waiting for an e-mail from the company, which will contain the link to download the software, as well as my username and legitimate registration code.  The  bad news is that I'm locked out of my software until I get the code, which they say could take up to 48 hours, so I'll need you all to bare with me while I wait for my registration code.  I need to make some final changes so I don't want to upload the song as it is now.  I'd rather wait until it's more complete.

2) SapphireRaptor has not sent me a recording yet.  Feel free to do so until I upload the final song.  After that time, I am willing to make you a special one on the side, but it won't be my main project.
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: action9000 on May 13, 2007, 03:53:25 PM
Okay, the issue has been resolved.  I received my registration code in my e-mail this morning ($200 later..*grumble grumble*).  I should ideally be able to get the song uploaded today at some point. B)
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: action9000 on May 13, 2007, 04:13:06 PM
I never got an opportunity to listen to this on my speeakers, so it is another case of "let's see how much I can mess up a mix because I can't hear it properly!" :lol

Anyways, I have a present for you all:
The Gang of Five sings "Lone Dinosaur!"
[EDIT]
Read below for an update.
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: Saphireraptor on May 13, 2007, 08:23:06 PM
ahh imm sorry i couldnt get on yesturday, talk about bad luck  <_<  internet went down on me, andd im 4.5 hours too late *chuckle* ahh

ahh well here it is ^^;; thanks malte btw
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...E3F38861E141767 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=6E3F38861E141767)

andd aww you guys sound soo great in this one.
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: Saphireraptor on May 13, 2007, 08:49:11 PM
ooh mental note, did i ever send you my "Adventuring" recordings?
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: action9000 on May 13, 2007, 09:08:05 PM
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ooh mental note, did i ever send you my "Adventuring" recordings?
Yep, I got em. B)
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: action9000 on May 13, 2007, 10:24:29 PM
Update:
I have completed the additon of SaphireRaptor (thanks Petrie for your feedback ;)).  Thanks also, of course, to SaphireRaptor for sending this in. You did an awesome job!

Anywho, the link to the song:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6OJJP84Q (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6OJJP84Q)

SaphireRaptor, I only have a couple of comments for you:
1) Your singing is fantastic!  You sound amazing; you must have had some practice singing in the past. B)

2) The only real faults I saw in your recording were technology-related.  With a better microphone, you would have sounded absolutely amazing in this song!  :wow

One little piece of advice for you in the future: Try setting your microphone volume and sing from an appropriate distance so that the loudest points of your voice never "clip" (distort) the sound.  I noticed a few occasions where your recording started to distort on your louder notes.  This is impossible for me to edit out in most situations.

I'm almost tempted to buy and send you a microphone for all your hard work.  Sadly, I'm still unemployed and don't have the money to do so..but trust me, you earned it.  :yes
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: Malte279 on May 14, 2007, 03:29:16 AM
Great to see (and hear) that Saphireraptor and pokeplayer made it into the final version of the lone dinosaur after all :yes
Makes us five singers of the gang of five rather than lone troubadours ;)
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: pokeplayer984 on May 15, 2007, 07:45:00 PM
Wow!  This was good!  Our voices worked together rather well.

However, like all pieces of music that involve a group of people who hold unfamiliar voices, it can be hard to determine who plays what part.  For that reason, I feel it wise to show a guide of who did what parts.

What do you guys think?

And yes, I will admit I'm still not familiar with some of the voices that were used. :)
Title: LBT Karaoke Song: Lone Dinosaur
Post by: Saphireraptor on May 15, 2007, 11:14:42 PM
oohh eyiii! *listens too it again* thankss forr adding mee in  :DD
and yaah pokeplayer has a good idea with the naming thing lool

thanks again ^^