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The Land Before Time => Land Before Time TV Series (2007) => Topic started by: Noname on January 21, 2007, 11:23:49 PM

Title: Predictions
Post by: Noname on January 21, 2007, 11:23:49 PM
Personally, I don't know. So far, I can predict/deduce a couple of things:

1. The group of... seven... won't really be able to leave the valley and return in a half-hour episode, so most of the episodes should take place in or around the valley... unless an episode consists of a character telling a story or has a flashback to some other place and time.

2. That the anatagonist Redclaw will eventually cause trouble; so far, we have only seen him in a flashback, and we don't know if he appeared in the first two episodes. If he entered the valley, we would probably have a repeat battle of the fight in movie II.

As for whether any guest characters come back (Ali, Bron, Mo, etc), we cannot tell, but probably shoulden't count on it. Still, it would be helpful for the creators of the show if they needed an "instant episode"; for example, they could just put in Bron, and half the episode would be the other character's reactions to his appearance. I suppose it would be interesting to see what would happen if Cera's father ever met Bron. As for Ali's return... it's been 11 years, and we're still waiting.

P.S. This is my 100th post!!
Title: Predictions
Post by: Malte279 on January 22, 2007, 04:01:14 AM
Congratuations for post number 100.
I still haven't watched the sequels though I must admit mit resolve not to watch them before my exams is being tested by my wish to participate in discussions of the series' sequels.
I can make less precise predictions than anyone who has seen the series so far, but I would be very surprised not to find at least some ideas some of us have had for their fanfictions in the series.
Title: Predictions
Post by: Ratiasu on January 22, 2007, 11:25:25 AM
Quote from: Malte279,Jan 22 2007 on  03:01 AM
but I would be very surprised not to find at least some ideas some of us have had for their fanfictions in the series.
That would be a bit creepy. I doubt the producers run around reading fanfiction, but then again, with this being a talking dinosaur universe, ideas roll over each other sometimes. As for predictions, I have none - I'm not the kind of person who thinks very far ahead.
Title: Predictions
Post by: NewOrder on January 22, 2007, 12:20:50 PM
I think they could leave the valley and create a two-episode long story. To tell you the truth I'm a bit sceptical about Ali's return but I'll keep on hoping it happens. If it those happen I hope it's in a movie and not on the series, she deservers a hour long feature.
Title: Predictions
Post by: Malte279 on January 22, 2007, 02:34:12 PM
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That would be a bit creepy. I doubt the producers run around reading fanfiction, but then again, with this being a talking dinosaur universe, ideas roll over each other sometimes. As for predictions, I have none - I'm not the kind of person who thinks very far ahead.
I'm not saying that the producers would """steal""" (funny idea that those with the rights of the characters should "steal" ideas from stories by authors who don't hold any rights of the characters) ideas from fanfictions. What I'm saying is that with the somewhat limited (yet still wide) variety of ideas which could be realized in the land before time as defined by the previous movies it is quite likely that some basic ideas may be the same, even if they come up completely independent from each other.
We had some ideas for some of the sequels (LBT 8, 9, and 10 in particular) in earlier fanfictions (or discussions on what would be good in fanfictions or movies).

If I was a producer of a movie such as LBT, I would be quite interested in what people devoted enough to write in a message board such as this one had to say. We don't know of course, but I would not be surprised if even people as important as Charles Grosvenor at least took an occassional look for some feedback of their work.
Title: Predictions
Post by: Petrie. on January 22, 2007, 03:59:58 PM
Oh I thought this was a prediction for the series as a whole....in that case, I think it will run its initial half season (13 eps) without any trouble since you hardly see a cartoon cancelled so quickly.  Beyond that I couldn't tell.  I think they'll run out of decent ideas before they run out of ambition to continue on.
Title: Predictions
Post by: Malte279 on January 22, 2007, 04:10:24 PM
There are still ideas left to be used for good LBT stories. Why should some fanfiction writers be able to have good ideas but not those people who do it professionally?
Title: Predictions
Post by: Noname on January 22, 2007, 04:34:03 PM
I woulden't give the series such a short lifespan at all. I think it should have at least a couple of seasons, and can probably do quite well. If the movie series weren't profitable, they woulden't have made a tv series, after all, much research of the market and potential for profit go into any decision made on this level of magnitude (making an animated tv series can be expensive.) Anyway, what we've seen so far is quite good for an animated tv series (in my opinion.)

Besides, there are many, many things that could happen to the characters, even though the options are limited without technology, money, or civilization. Some possibilities include:

1. One of the characters gets injured, either in an accident, or by a predator. One possibility could be that Tricia gets injured while playing with the main characters (gets hit by a rock/hard piece of fruit.) I know this sounds cold-hearted (i'm writing about an infant being injured), but the repercussions could make for a good episode; to make it more interesting, what would happen if Cera were indirectly, unintentionally responsible for Tricia being hurt? (She suggested the game, and hit the projectile, like in the show's introduction.) How would Tria react? How would Cera's father react?

2. Chomper's parents come looking for him (since we haven't seen the first two episodes, we don't know if they would do this, or what the exact situation is.)

3. Show more of each of the character's pasts; they already did this with Ruby in episode 3.
Title: Predictions
Post by: NewOrder on January 22, 2007, 07:58:28 PM
I found something interesting in episode 3, that I think no one has pointed out. In the flashback where Ruby and Chomper are saying goodbye to her parents, her father says to Ruby to go and find out how they live together so it can help them in the future. Maybe Ruby's fmaily is being opressed by Redclaw and the other dinosaurs are thinking of living peacefully like in the great valley, they just don't know how. Ruby could be in some sort of quest.
Title: Predictions
Post by: DarkHououmon on February 02, 2007, 09:29:36 PM
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I still haven't watched the sequels

What do you mean?
Title: Predictions
Post by: Noname on February 02, 2007, 09:42:50 PM
Okay, so far we have seen the following "journey' stories in the show:

1. Trip to get fruit.

2. Trip to get mineral.

3. Trip to see geysers.

Also, although we haven't seen them; we are told in summaries of episodes one and two that there is a trip inside of some caves. We also see an injury in the fifth episode. There is also a mudslide in this episode, but it isn't very harmful.

In the movies, we have previously seen these following obstacles:

1. Deserts and volcanoes (many appearances in the movies and the show)

2. Tar pits and/or quicksand (movies I, II, III)

3. Fire, and the lightning that caused it (movie III, episode 6)

4. Swampland (movie IV)

5. The ocean (movies V, IX)

6. Mountains (all of them)

7. Snow (movie VIII)

8. Earthquakes. Lots of them (various points in movies I-IX)

9. A solar eclipse (movie X)

10. Locusts (movie V)

11. Rain and a flood (movie IX)

12. A cave-in (movie IV)  

13. A disease (movie IV)

14. Predators (in almost every movie, and at least some episodes.)

15. A tornado (movie VI.)


What more could they throw at the characters? Did I miss any obstacles? Perhaps some rival herbivores could get in a fight and start a feud in the valley? Maybe Chomper goes off and accidently bites someone (like movie II) in front of the general populace of the valley, causing them to distrust him? Someone spreads a rumor that gets way out of hand? Redclaw attacks one of the adults? Someone from the movies makes a guest appearance (Ali, Pterano, Bron, or whoever, even though this isn't too likely)? The characters go on another trip to whatever natural phenomenon that the valley has in or around it? We've already seen hot springs, waterfalls, and auroras, among other things. What else could there be?
Title: Predictions
Post by: trexmaster on February 03, 2007, 03:48:45 AM
How about humans? They could be time-travelers from the future, or perhaps some early people who recently migrated from Africa or Asia. The question is, will these humans be good guys or antagonists (i.e. hunters or poachers)?
Title: Predictions
Post by: Malte279 on February 03, 2007, 03:57:11 AM
No way! This would disrupt LBT too much!
Title: Predictions
Post by: trexmaster on February 03, 2007, 08:17:08 AM
Quote from: Malte279,Feb 3 2007 on  02:57 AM
No way! This would disrupt LBT too much!
They got away with aliens in the movies, didn't they? As I recall, that didn't do that much harm to the LBT saga. If humans and their politics became a major theme in LBT, I agree that it would be disruptive. That said, I don't see how a few moments in which humans appear (for no longer than the episode's running length, of course) would do much harm.

Bipedal apes aside, I'd like to see a plot in which Chomper and Ruby reunite with their families, who then move into the Great Valley. Needless to say, it would be particularly interesting to see how Chomper's parents would manage to reach a compromise with the Great Valley natives.
Title: Predictions
Post by: Noname on February 03, 2007, 08:44:27 AM
Don't ever consider putting humans in LBT!! Please! Let's not give anyone any ideas, even though the chances that we will are negligable. That would be a surefire way to ruin the series! The possible aliens in the seventh movie were bad enough, no need to bring active science fiction elements into the series. Having humans in the series would be like making a story about how Winston Churchill, F.D.R., and Stalin were the king's three musketeers who went off in the Nina, Pinta, and the Santa Maria, and founded the first colony in Australia. In other words, it would be ridiculous to the point off stupidity, yes, far more so than having talking dinosaurs who set aside species differences. If you must see some LBT-related media with humans and aliens in it, go to this link:

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3175428/1/ (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3175428/1/) (LBT meets Halo.)

And please, don't bring up the scary (albeit very, very small) possibility that the producers might run out of ideas and put humans in the series.
Title: Predictions
Post by: Ryuukokoro on February 04, 2007, 02:13:20 PM
Quote from: trexmaster,Feb 3 2007 on  02:48 AM
How about humans? They could be time-travelers from the future, or perhaps some early people who recently migrated from Africa or Asia. The question is, will these humans be good guys or antagonists (i.e. hunters or poachers)?
LOL! Yeah, right! Let's not give those producers any crazy ideas!  :rolleyes:
Title: Predictions
Post by: Nick22 on February 07, 2007, 12:12:06 AM
Humans will not appear in the series, after all this is 65 millon years in the past, and we don't want this is to turn into We're Back Again!
Title: Predictions
Post by: pokeplayer984 on February 19, 2007, 02:03:14 AM
You know, I had the strangest dream one night.  It has been lingering on my mind since I had it nearly one month ago.

Anyways, within the dream, it is the last few episodes of the TV Series.  In it, Ali comes back and tells Littlefoot how Redclaw has gathered a ton of sharpteeth and isn't allowing anyone to leave or enter the Valley.  Seeing that the only way to ensure peace again is to get rid of Redclaw once and for all, the members of the Valley head to the Mysterious Beyond to take care of Redclaw for good.

During the battle, Redclaw commands his minions to bring the gang to him.  They are successfully captured and are brought before Redclaw.  Chomper bravely approaches Redclaw and asks him why he's stopping anyone from entering or exiting the Valley.  He simply tells them that he wants to rule the valley, having finally found the secret enterance, he and his sharpteeth minions can have all the food they want now.

Chomper then asks him another question.  He explains how a sharptooth like him would just kill his prey and eat it right where he killed it and not bring it here.  What was the reason for kidnapping them?

Redclaw then explains that the gang of five tried to kill him once before.  Chomper explains this and the gang is very confused, knowing that they have taken on several different sharpteeth.  Redclaw then explains in deeper detail of how in one fight they may remember him from was when he fought against an adult female longneck and gave her a killing bite.  He also explains how the gang had pushed him into a deep pool of water and nearly killed him with the assistance of a boulder.  It then hits the gang on who it is.  The very one that had killed Littlefoot's mother was none other than Redclaw and he had somehow survived their attack.  The one it hits most is Littlefoot.

And that's where I woke up.  Trust me, it was too shocking to me as well.

I don't want to believe it, but there is a very small chance that Sharptooth did survive.  Though it is so small, it is incredibly hard to believe.

I, myself, would be very surprised if this turned out to be the truth.
Title: Predictions
Post by: Ratiasu on February 19, 2007, 02:57:24 AM
That would make a great, err, couple episodes to the near-end of the TV series, but I doubt the producers are going to throw anything that shocking or deep at us older viewers.
Title: Predictions
Post by: DarkHououmon on February 19, 2007, 03:36:12 AM
It does sound like a good idea, Redclaw being the same sharptooth from the first movie, and yeah I do agree that the sharptooth could have survived.  But Redclaw is colored differently than that sharptooth, so I have my doubts he is the same sharptooth.
Title: Predictions
Post by: F-14 Ace on February 19, 2007, 04:01:13 AM
Sounds like a good idea for a fanfic.  As a matter of fact, Redclaw is going to be in the fanfic I am working on now.  It reveals how he got that scar.
Title: Predictions
Post by: Noname on February 19, 2007, 10:03:08 AM
And that's a good thing too. Since he is colored differently, any possibility that he's the original as been removed.
Title: Predictions
Post by: NewOrder on February 19, 2007, 10:48:14 AM
There's always the matter of his eye being opened. It's still a pretty good plot. I usually base mystories in dreams I've had as well, although the lbt related one's are all weird and make no sense.
Title: Predictions
Post by: Malte279 on February 19, 2007, 11:39:32 AM
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Since he is colored differently, any possibility that he's the original as been removed.
They had a blue version of Littlefoot's mother in LBT 10.
Title: Predictions
Post by: pokeplayer984 on February 19, 2007, 01:15:14 PM
You got a point there, Malte.  The producers might be doing yet another color change.  Then again, this was just some dream I had, and it would be quite the surprise if this turned out to be the truth.  Though it would definately clear up the most recent eps of the TV Series.
Title: Predictions
Post by: DarkHououmon on February 19, 2007, 01:57:02 PM
I'm not sure if I'll believe Redclaw is the first sharptooth, but I do suspect he is, in fact, related to the first sharptooth somehow.
Title: Predictions
Post by: Ratiasu on February 19, 2007, 02:04:03 PM
Quote from: DarkHououmon,Feb 19 2007 on  02:36 AM
But Redclaw is colored differently than that sharptooth, so I have my doubts he is the same sharptooth.
Ali's herd was colored differently in the TV series then the movie but they were still Ali's herd.

...I should reword that, shouldn't I?
Title: Predictions
Post by: DarkHououmon on February 19, 2007, 02:19:10 PM
I did notice that.

Sorry I'm just not willing to believe Redclaw is the original sharptooth at the moment. I do think it's a nice idea, and would make for an interesting twist, I must admit. But whether or not he is the first sharptooth remains to be seen. Hopefully we'll learn of Redclaw's origins later in the TV series.
Title: Predictions
Post by: Malte279 on February 19, 2007, 04:06:50 PM
I don't mean to argue that this character from the series (about which I still know way to little to make any points at all having still only seen but one of the episodes) is the sharptooth from the original movie or that he isn't.
I just don't think the color is an unimpeachable proof for anything. There were two young threehorns chasing each other around Cera's Dad in the beginnning of one LBT movie (I think it was number 8) who looked exactly like Dinah and Dana except for their color (no proof that it was them, but it may still be another case of changing colors).
Title: Predictions
Post by: DarkHououmon on February 19, 2007, 04:22:36 PM
The light skin of the original sharptooth ends under his chin but in Redclaw that light skin has stretched to his lower jaw. When you look at the recolor for LF's mother, she retains the same pattern as in the first movie, only color changes. And the original sharptooth got an injury on his right eye, but Redclaw only has an injury on his left eye, none on the right. That is what is making me having a hard time believing that Redclaw might be the original sharptooth.
Title: Predictions
Post by: NewOrder on February 19, 2007, 07:52:30 PM
They would also have a pretty hard time explaining how he survived.
T-Rex's arms are too tiny for it to be able to swim, he was knocked out by the fall and the water hole was pretty deep.
It wouldn't surprise me if Redclaw turns out to be this sharptooth, but I hope it isn't.
Title: Predictions
Post by: Noname on February 19, 2007, 09:44:33 PM
I don't think it is; Littlefoot would probably have recognized him by now, the scar is on the wrong side of his face (and the original tyrannosaurus wasn't cut that badly when the thorn hit his eye), and the color is wrong (although this isn't necessarily a disqualifying feature.)
Title: Predictions
Post by: DarkHououmon on February 19, 2007, 11:27:34 PM
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T-Rex's arms are too tiny for it to be able to swim

Well they could probably still swim by using their back legs and possibly tail as rudder. That's how the T-Rex in Dino Crisis swam.

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Littlefoot would probably have recognized him by now

I agree. Littlefoot wouldn't so easily forget the face of his mother's killer, the face of the sharptooth that relentlessly hunted him and his newfound friends on their journey to the Great Valley.
Title: Predictions
Post by: Malte279 on February 20, 2007, 09:17:00 AM
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T-Rex's arms are too tiny for it to be able to swim.
Then again Chomper was able to swim in LBT 5 and we also saw the other sharptooth (whose arms, in spite of three rather than two claws, didn't look much stronger than those of Chomper's parents) reemerge from the water surface; while that other sharptooth was washed away by the current it didn't seem to have any problems to stay at the surface.
From the perspective of the sequels (certainly not from the original movies perspective) the Sharptooth might have survived unless it was really knocked unconscious by the rock, or the fall.
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They would also have a pretty hard time explaining how he survived.
They weren't shy at all to make very flimsy excuses for Bron.
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Littlefoot wouldn't so easily forget the face of his mother's killer, the face of the sharptooth that relentlessly hunted him and his newfound friends on their journey to the Great Valley.
I'm not so sure about this. To Littlefoot and the others a sharptooth is (usually) a lethal thread. There is little chance for them to eye a sharptooth long enough to memorize characteristic features (face etc.) beyond the species of the sharptooth in question. Look at the darker one of Chomper's parents, he looks very, very similar to the sharptooth who killed Littlefoot's mother.
Most of the leafeaters in LBT don't seem to consider sharpteeth as individuals but just as threads to their lifes. Seeing sharpteeth as individuals (rather than as faceless threads) is probably one of the lessons Littlefoot and the others probably drew from the events of LBT 2 and especially LBT 5. Nevertheless I'm not sure if this latter perception would influence Littlefoot's memory to the sharptooth who killed his mother and whom he and the others (most likely) killed before they got to know Chomper.

Having contradicted everybody around here I finish by contradicting myself :lol
I do not believe the sharptooth from the series to be identical with the one who killed Littlefoot's mother. However, from what I have seen so far (and that is little enough with me having still not seen most of the episodes) I wouldn't put it completely beyond the producers of LBT to revive the LBT 1 sharptooth.
Title: Predictions
Post by: Petrie. on February 20, 2007, 12:27:31 PM
The original sharptooth is long dead...no questions asked.
Title: Predictions
Post by: DarkHououmon on February 20, 2007, 01:02:36 PM
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I'm not so sure about this. To Littlefoot and the others a sharptooth is (usually) a lethal thread. There is little chance for them to eye a sharptooth long enough to memorize characteristic features (face etc.) beyond the species of the sharptooth in question.

I have rewatched the original Land Before Time and it does seem like Littlefoot did get a good look at Sharptooth (the name of the first sharptooth), otherwise he would have believed the sharptooth that attacked them later on was a different dinosaur, but instead we see hint that he has found out the sharptooth that killed his mother was still alive.

And later on, why was he so determined to get rid of the sharptooth in the end? It looked like an act of vengeance to me, so Littlefoot must of known that dinosaur was Sharptooth and not just another dinosaur.


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The original sharptooth is long dead...no questions asked.

That is what we are lead to believe in the events of the first movie. And while it seems most likely he did die, there is still that chance he survived.
Title: Predictions
Post by: pokeplayer984 on February 20, 2007, 01:47:15 PM
*sighs* I just go and tell everyone about the dream I had, and it turns into this! -_-

Like I said, I don't believe it myself.  It would make quite the interesting fanfic.  It would also be interesting if the first Sharptooth did survive.  He was like a real villian when compared to other sharpteeth we've been presented with in LBT.

Let's start with talking about something else.  That HUGE scar Redclaw has.  What do you think gave him that?

I'd say that he got in a fight with Chomper's parents and they gave him that.  It would explain why he's after Chomper.
Title: Predictions
Post by: DarkHououmon on February 20, 2007, 02:39:09 PM
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I'd say that he got in a fight with Chomper's parents and they gave him that. It would explain why he's after Chomper.

My thoughts exactly.
Title: Predictions
Post by: Ratiasu on February 20, 2007, 02:41:06 PM
I don't know, pokeplayer984, the Allosaurus in LBT 6 was pretty relentless - a fall down into canyon wasn't enough to kill it, and ya gotta give it credit when other sharptooth are fended off by a couple rocks. Or maybe that was a snowball? Jeez, I haven't watch the movies in a while. In any case, as for what gave Redclaw his scar, I would like to know that, too. My guess is that it was another sharptooth.
Title: Predictions
Post by: Malte279 on February 20, 2007, 03:50:52 PM
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*sighs* I just go and tell everyone about the dream I had, and it turns into this!  -_-
Turns into what pokeplayer?
We are having an intense but friendly and respectful discussion here and that is what the forum is about nothing bad about it :)
Your dreams are quite inspirational it seems. Be proud of it ;)
I had (for the first time in a long while) a dream involving LBT too, alas it was neither as detailed as yours nor was it really an LBT dream as LBT turned up as a movie rather than "real life" in the realm of dreams. I got a look on many covers for LBT movies yet to come in that dream. There was some talk on LBT 13 (which we know will come), LBT 14 and 15 (none indication so far), and there was a cover of LBT 25 (no, I don't think that will ever happen :lol). The worst of it is that I don't remember anything detailed that was said or shown on those covers. How sick is this!  :cry
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I have rewatched the original Land Before Time and it does seem like Littlefoot did get a good look at Sharptooth (the name of the first sharptooth), otherwise he would have believed the sharptooth that attacked them later on was a different dinosaur, but instead we see hint that he has found out the sharptooth that killed his mother was still alive.
I'm not sure on this. The original movie doesn't create the impression that there are many sharpteeth around (nothing like the teaming up we get to see in some later LBT sequels). They work with another species (Pachycephalosaurus) in a scene in which more than one bad guy was required.
My point is that for lack of other sharpteeth and possibly from the persistence of their pursuer Littlefoot could easily conclude that it was the one and only who killed his mother. The only moments in which Littlefoot could take a closer look at the sharptooth without an immediate thread of being killed were when they first saw the sharptooth from the pont (but then it was far away) and when it got stuck near the rock that looks like a longneck (where Littlefoot's attention was quickly drawn to Cera and that rock. Moreover we don't know how long it took sharptooth to realize he wouldn't get through the rocks; he may well have withdrawn after the few snaps we saw. If Littlefoot didn't see much more of sharptooth than we did there was no chance for him to study sharptooth's face any closer).
Moreover I don't see why Littlefoot would take great interests in the look of sharptooth anyway. Interests as in being able to tell that particular sharptooth from others. I won't argue that Littlefoot may have felt a certain satisfaction at the death of Sharptooth, but I still don't see him as the avenger who carefully plotted to get Sharptooth killed. There was the chance, there was probably the need (though the final movie version took away the argument of the original concept according to which Sharptooth was about to enter the Great Valley), and Littlefoot acted upon it. I don't think he spend nights thinking about how to kill a particular sharptooth whose face he had memorized while running from it as fast as his little feet would carry him.
Title: Predictions
Post by: DarkHououmon on February 20, 2007, 04:21:41 PM
His "Let's get rid of him once and for all!" statement at the end sounded like he wanted revenge on the sharptooth. Just the way he said it gives me that impression.

And whether or not he dreamt of revenge, I cannot say for certain. But I wouldn't be surprised about it. After all, he did see the sharptooth fatally wound his mother, and it was because of that sharptooth he was now out on his own, with far less of a chance of reaching the Great Valley. I am sure he would harbor bitter feelings towards the sharptooth.
Title: Predictions
Post by: Malte279 on February 20, 2007, 04:48:15 PM
I won't doubt for a second that Littlefoot didn't grow particularly fond of the sharptooth who killed his mother. I won't argue the point that he probably did feel some satisfaction about Sharptooth's dead.
What I doubt is that Littlefoot would have planned and committed revenge if it wasn't for the chance (readymade ambush side), and the need (Sharptooth would follow them right into the Great Valley; a point which was more directly expressed in the original cut of LBT). I don't think Littlefoot memorized that Sharptooth's face thinking: "One day I won't be little food anymore and then I'll stomp you under my big feet!"
While satisfied revenge was probably gained by killing Sharptooth, I don't think it was what made Littlefoot plot Sharptooth's dead.
Title: Predictions
Post by: Malte279 on February 20, 2007, 04:57:22 PM
I realize my take on this may partly be influenced by the German translation of LBT. The English version supports the image of a revengeful image of Littlefoot better through this: "Let's get rid of him once and for all!" Let's!
In the German version he says: "Den m¸ssen wir loswerden, ein f¸r alle Mal!"
which can be translated to: "We must get rid of them, once and for all!"
"Let us" and "We must" (don't really want to, but we don't have any choice) makes quite a difference in that statement.
Title: Predictions
Post by: pokeplayer984 on February 22, 2007, 01:44:05 AM
Quote from: Malte279,Feb 20 2007 on  03:48 PM
I don't think Littlefoot memorized that Sharptooth's face thinking: "One day I won't be little food anymore and then I'll stomp you under my big feet!"
 :lol:  :lol  :lol: I'm sorry, I just found that quote to be hilarious.

I actually believe he had carried thoughts of revenge in his mind.  I mean, how would you feel if you saw someone kill a member of your family right in front of you?  Makes you think twice, huh? ;)
Title: Predictions
Post by: Ryuukokoro on February 22, 2007, 07:36:22 PM
Quote from: Malte279,Feb 20 2007 on  03:48 PM
(Sharptooth would follow them right into the Great Valley; a point which was more directly expressed in the original cut of LBT).
This caught my attention! Is there indeed more than one cut of the original movie? What are the differences, and when were they made? Going from theater to original VHS, or from the original VHS (which I still have, from the 80's, so I want to check!) to the 20th Anniversary DVD which was released recently?
Title: Predictions
Post by: Noname on February 22, 2007, 08:27:07 PM
To my knowledge, there was only one final cut of the first movie.
Title: Predictions
Post by: Malte279 on February 23, 2007, 05:00:57 AM
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I'm sorry, I just found that quote to be hilarious.
It was meant to be. Nothing to be sorry about ;)
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I actually believe he had carried thoughts of revenge in his mind. I mean, how would you feel if you saw someone kill a member of your family right in front of you? Makes you think twice, huh?
Death penalty supporters' favorite argument -_-
If I did think twice I would NOT commit murder out of revenge. Of course I cannot say for sure how I would react if a friend or relative was murdered before my eyes (I doubt anyone can), but for sure not too much thinking would be involved in the moments after such a murder. Killing the murderer would be an act of the impulse (however just it may feel at that moment) rather than a sensible act based on thinking twice about anything.
In Littlefoot's case however a considerable time had passed since the killing of his mother. He was no longer acting on such an impulse. I said it before that I don't question Littlefoot probably did feel some relieve or even satisfaction about the death of Sharptooth. What I do question is the theory of thirst for revenge as a central motive in Littlefoot's decision to take on the sharptooth thereby risking not only his own but also the life of the others.
Sharptooth was a lethal thread to Littlefoot and the others and as it was "the law of nature" there was absolutely no chance for Littlefoot and the others to ever be save from Sharptooth save by his death. Moreover the original cut of the movie included the point that Sharptooth was about to find and enter the Great Valley, thereby threatening the paradise Littlefoot and the others had been searching all the time. In military terms one might consider the killing of the Sharptooth a "preemptive-strike". Nature didn't leave any doubt about Sharptooth's being a permanent thread and there was no alternative possibility but killing Sharptooth to be save from him. Neither of these last two points is true in case of human murderers.
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This caught my attention! Is there indeed more than one cut of the original movie? What are the differences, and when were they made? Going from theater to original VHS, or from the original VHS (which I still have, from the 80's, so I want to check!) to the 20th Anniversary DVD which was released recently?
The original version of the land before time which Don Bluth produced was about 8 minutes longer than the version we finally got (there are even claims that Bluth would have had the movie 35 minutes longer, but 35 additional minutes were definitely never produced). Steven Spielberg and George Lucas did some extensive cutting. Most of the scenes cut from the land before time were scenes with the Sharptooth considered too scary for kids. However, those scenes also involved some elements significantly different from the movie as we know it.
In Don Bluth's version Littlefoot found the Great Valley shortly after his quarrel with Cera and his parting with her and the others, but rather than entering the Great Valley he returned to lead the others there, as he knew they would be lost forever otherwise. Upon returning with Ducky, Petrie, and Spike Littlefoot found sharptooth about to find the entrance to the Great Valley.
While this version was never published as movie footage several books published in 1988 along with the movie are telling this version. Moreover two screenshots which confirm that this version of the story was actually produced were published in one book ("The Search for the Great Valley") respectively in a file issued to the press in 1988. The Screenshots show Littlefoot standing above a waterfall gazing over the Great Valley and his turning back to get the others.
The 1988 land before time book by Jim Razzi (which does not include any screenshots, but tells the Don Bluth version of the story) gives the following account on the moments before the fight with the Sharptooth:
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The next morning Littlefoot, Ducky, Spike, and Petrie headed down the path toward the Great Valley.
"We're almost there," said Littlefoot. "Just a little farther."
"Too bad Cera not with us," said Petrie.
As the group rounded a pool near the cliffs by the entrace to the valley, Petrie leapt of Littlefoot's head and climbed to a high, rocky ledge. Suddenly he began to quiver with fear.
"Petrie, what is it?" Littlefoot asked as he reached the ledge. The he looked beyond it. There, on the plain that overlooked the Great Valley, was Sharptooth. He was searching for the entrance to the valley!

9 The Great Valley

Littlefoot realized that they had led Sharptooth to the valley. He knew that the herds would be helpless against the monster. He and his friends had to stop Sharptooth.
Littlefoot noticed a large boulder balanced at the edge of a rock ledge high above a pool of water. "We've got to get Sharptooth away from the high rocks before he fins the entrance," he said to the others. "And then we'll have to work together to kill him."
Title: Predictions
Post by: pokeplayer984 on March 13, 2007, 08:22:31 AM
It seems an episode that has yet to appear in the US is going to appear soon.  The title of the episode is... "Days of Rising Waters".  Are we to expect another plot involving a flood?

From the title alone, what do you guys think? :)
Title: Predictions
Post by: Stitch on March 13, 2007, 08:35:59 AM
From what I've heard so far, the episode sounds interesting.

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In this episode, after Petrie's nest is flooded, he freaks out at the prospect of moving, and Cera insists that Ducky teach Tricia how to swim.  That would be very interesting, especially if Tricia has any latent fear around water after her experience in the movie.