The Gang of Five
The Land Before Time => General Land Before Time => Character Discussion => Topic started by: Weather_lord_7 on August 24, 2007, 10:16:28 PM
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Chomper discussions go here. :)
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Chomper is one of my favorite characters, along with Ducky. His reaction to certain lines from other characters can be funny.
One of my favorites is his reaction to Shorty's line from the Big Longneck Test.
Shorty: because of all your help I'm going to let you 2 be part of my group.
Chomper:thanks
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This is done after the group saves Shorty's life
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Am I the only one that notices that Chomper gets involved in a lot of pre-LBT TV merchandise and stuff when he wasn't even a regular character? Look here (http://www.landbeforetime.com/friends/) to get a sample of what I mean. That part of the website looks to have not been update for the more recent sequels, but they still associate Chomper as one of the gang of five.
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You are not the only one who noticed it. The explanation is most likely just the fact that Chomper was a member of a different species than the maincharacters (and an interesting species at that). This, I think, is a reason why there wasn't any Ali merchandise. She would have looked too much like Littlefoot.
Another important point is Chomper's being the only one to make a return in an active role in a land before time sequel. Over here in Germany there was at least one piece of Mo merchandise (a plush toy) but I am not sure if it was sold in the US as well.
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That may be a reason. I wonder how popular he is with most of the public in comparison to some to some others like Ali and Mo. I guess with Ali one could get a second Littlefoot plushie or other figure and pretend it is Ali.
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It gones on further than that. In two different "Dollar General" stores I went to, there were these small story books for little kids with short LBT stories (that I'm sure have no place in the LBT cannon). They were all set in the Great Valley, there was the original Gang of Five, and no Ruby, but oddly enough, Chomper was in the Valley. Wow! The only explination I can think of is that Chomper somehow beat Ruby to the valley.
And in similarity to that is an LBT game for the Game Boy Advance that again features the gang of five, no Ruby, but Chomper is again in the Valley (you have to find him in the game, I believe). Chomper got a lot of association with the gang before it was due, but it may have just been a prelude to the fact that he was destined to become a regular member.
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I guess you could say he and Ruby may have got briefly separated a bit after the flashback seen in Star Day Celebration.
That or he went into the valley to visit his friends and then left for some reason and encountered Ruby and her family.
Maybe it has to do with the fact that T-rexes are popular with the public.
Would be interesting to see how the Great Valley adults were convinced that Chomper is a nice sharp tooth and not like the other sharpteeth. That could be a whole episode by itself.
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chomper is number 1
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I think Chomper's appearence is subsequent LBT merchandise, before the animated series is due to his popularity with the general LBT fanbase. Something about him just strikes a cord with most people, I notice. Anyway, he's a good, interesting character who they should explore more. He's a meat-eater whose friends with leaf-eaters. That should be an issue they touch on more.
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It could lead to interesting character dynamics and lots of areas to explore character wise and character issues. Though likely since they aim the series and movies at young kids these will likely not be explored much if at all.
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All tghe more reason why I wish people would wake up and realize that children are not as delicate as they think. I survived "Jurassic Park" as a sever year old, for Pete's sake!
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All tghe more reason why I wish people would wake up and realize that children are not as delicate as they think. I survived "Jurassic Park" as a sever year old, for Pete's sake!
While I also wish for more serious plots and action in LBT as you do, we have to remember exactly who this series is aimed at. My liking for LBT and my equal liking for more serious issues, plots, etc. (even something like the original movie would suit my tastes better...) are at a bit of a conflict. I doubt I'm the only one in this boat, as I've seen from others' responses.
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True, though the more serious stuff will have to explored in fan fiction it seems.
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Indeed. :)
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All tghe more reason why I wish people would wake up and realize that children are not as delicate as they think. I survived "Jurassic Park" as a sever year old, for Pete's sake!
Same here. I think I was about that age, maybe 8, when I saw Jurassic Park. Despite the PG-13 rating, mom and dad let me watch it and I was not frightened at any moment of the movie, and I never had nightmares from it. I didn't even know it was PG-13 rated until a few years ago, and I was surprised. I thought it was just PG.
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It needs to be on a case by case bases with each individual. Most kids can take those sorts of movies with no problem. I remember when i was very very young I use to try to stay up late to watch horror movies on tv on project terror. It never bothered me any.
I guess their taking the road where they try to not offend anyone. Reminds me of a south park episode where they did a christmas pagent thing (forgot what it was called) where they kept taking out stuff that offended someone and what they wound up with.
Most in this country are more lenient when it comes to violence then other things. Let a kid see even part of a nude breast and they think they will be horribly scarred for life it seems like. But it's ok to let them see folks get a bullet in the head. Though that is a different topic.
For back on topic: It is ok for Chomper to eat insects and such now (and get enough to eat), but imagine some of the character tension and dynamics when he is in his teens and how would that effect his friendships (I highly doubt he'd change to try to harm his friends, I don't mean those sorts of things, going to find places with fish is one possibility he may do, leaving the great valley for periods of time is another). As well as Cera's dad being a speciest and she is to an extent, how would that effect her frienships with various others as she gets older, and that with her dad. Lots of interesting character dynamics, tension and story lines we'll never see. Oh well, at least we do have something, and in the tv series we do get to see Chomper in every episode at least. Like I may have said before, they give him some great one liner reaction dialog to some other characters. And his often being serious when he says them, to me at least, adds to the funnyness. He makes a great straight man, if that term is used now adays.
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For back on topic: It is ok for Chomper to eat insects and such now (and get enough to eat, but imagine some of the character tension and dynamics when he is in his teens and how would that effect his friendships ( I highly doubt he'd change to try to harm his friends, I don't mean those sorts of things). As well as Cera's dad being a speciest and she is to an extent, how would that effect her frienships with various others as she gets older. Lots of interesting character dynamics, tension and story lines we'll never see. Oh well, at least we do have something, and in the tv series we do get to see Chomper in every episode at least. Like I may have said before, they give him some great one liner reaction dialog to some other characters. And his often being serious when he says them, to me at least, adds to the funnyness. He makes a great straight man, if that term is used now adays.
I would like to see something like this, but the loathsome Charlie Brown Syndrome will most likely prevent anything like this from happening. -_-
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Very true.
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While there is great potential for conflict when Chomper gets old enough, it ought to be noted that the producers are unlikely to allow any scene of Chomper turning against the inhabitants of the valley. This is a complex issue, and because it is species, not race, based, there is no possibility of Chomper being accepted if he has to kill dinosaurs in the valley in order to eat.
If this were a more mature series, it would be explored in greater detail. But since children's movies and TV series' aren't exactly good sources for the ideas of Free will vs. Fate ; Chomper is fated to have to eat dinosaurs to survive, and yet he doesn't want to eat any of the dinosaurs that live in the valley.
So far, there are two signs that something could go wrong, even in the children's series that the show is.
1. Chomper has repeatedly mentioned being hungry, which frightens various creatures of the valley (Ducky and some of Petrie's siblings have been scared of him, to date.)
2. In the very first episode, Chomper goes berserk when the cave leaks, and displays unusual strength in doing so. Imagine what could happen if he were older and stronger...
If something were to go wrong and Chomper did get out of control, the only main character who could probably stop him is Littlefoot, who by that time will be misnamed due to his mass of many tons. Spike and possibly Cera might be able to help Littlefoot as well.
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I would guess he'd leave the valley to live in the mysterious beyond to not hurt his friends. Though he may come to visit them now and then. That still leaves him with various options.
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Perhaps he's aiming to stay in the safe Valley until he can hold his own in the Mysterious Beyond and against Red Claw.
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Chomper turning on the gang is highly unlikely. Hopefully, when he does get out of the picture, his parents just come to pick him up and he stays in control. Hopefully he and Ruby leave soon, but I just can't see that happening until much later. They're such usable characters and so many things can come from them.
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Chomper may stay at least till he's roughly a teenager, he'd be safer in the mysterious beyond then. Also, like someone mentioned, if Red Claw isn't taken care of by then, he'd be safer around then and could help. Once he's an adult or nearly so he, with his friends, could, at the very least, chase off Red Claw, if he's around at that time, and his fast biters.
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I agree, it would be nice (or maybe not) to see what Chomper would be like as a teen or even as a pre-teen (Terrible Twelve :lol: ), but it could only occur in fanfiction.
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One thing he could do once he is old enough is patrol certain areas around entrances to the great valley and keep other sharpteeth away. This may make it, at least, a little safer for far walkers who are near the valley, and for his Great Valley friends to visit him.
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I agree, it would be nice (or maybe not) to see what Chomper would be like as a teen or even as a pre-teen (Terrible Twelve :lol: ), but it could only occur in fanfiction.
Again, my wrath and curses upon Charlie Brown Syndrome. -_-
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Chomper is among my favorite LBT characters. I have a few things to say about him based on what I've seen in the tv series.
As we have seen, his 'sniffer' is very useful, sometimes even necessary, when someone needs to be found. However, in my opinion, Chomper doesn't seem very bright. The best example I can think of is that he sometimes forgets that nearly everyone in the valley eats only plants, not the things he likes.
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He is younger then the others, also if you refer to his offering some stinging buzzers and such he may just want to share. He may like sharing but he has few to share with who can eat what he eats, maybe Ruby can, I've seen her eat a snapping shell so maybe she's an omnivore, but almost no one else can he share his food with like all of his other friends can share food with each other.
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I like Chomper, he is a very nice, kind, and helpfull Sharptooth. But did you ever thought about if he is grown up, that he would be dangerous for his friends? I mean he can¥t always eat such little things like in the great valley.
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I thought of that, and in the rp idea I had. I had one of two ideas. Either he patrols the area outside the great valley, keeping it safe from other sharpteeth who keep away or he deals with them, or he goes with Littlefoot and joins Bron's herd with Ali. I was leaning more towards the latter. Don't want' to bore you folks with my ideas so I"ll just leave it there.
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The best example I can think of is that he sometimes forgets that nearly everyone in the valley eats only plants, not the things he likes.
I have seen only a few of the TV episodes, so I can only guess about them. However, is it possible that Chomper's offering of his food to his friends is kind of a mischievous joke on his part? I remember a friend from Japan who always offered some of his food to me and my American host family while he was perfectly aware that it was not exactly our taste. He took a malicious (but good-natured) joy from our polite refusals to his kind offers :lol
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I had not thought of that. It could be like I suggested, or maybe a little bit of a joke Chomper is doing to, or a mixture of the two depending on his mood.
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I always found Chomper to be rather... creepy in the implications of his eventual need to eat full-grown dinosaurs. Sooner or later, he will be too dangerous to keep around in the valley. This has been mentioned before, but another detail has come to mind. Although if it were possible for Chomper to somehow avoid eating the dinosaurs of the great valley, it might be impossible for him to convince any other predators the same thing. Even if he could somehow live in the valley, he might never be able to know any other predators like himself... they would be a mortal threat to the plant-eaters of the valley. What if he grows up and meets a female tyrannosaurus? What if they have children? Even if they had to live in the mysterious beyond, would there be enough food for them? Or even one of them? What if Chomper promises that neither he nor any hypothetical family he has will hurt any dinosaurs in the valley, but his family goes hungry as a result? What happens if he has to choose between his own not starving and the lives of his friends, or worse, his hypothetical family's not starving and the lives of his friends? What if a dinosaur from the valley wanders in the mysterious beyond and gets killed by Chomper /hypothetical family?
Maybe the producers will want to bring back some of the first movie's darker themes and force the main characters to make hard choices.
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Chomper is definitely my favorite character of all. I think he's really popular because he projects out a message, along with the others, that you don't have to necessarily only be friends with people of your color, age, gender, etc..., but instead with pretty much everybody.
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I think it would be funny to see what he would look like as a "tween," a "Terrible Twelve" I like to call 'em.
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Maybe the producers will want to bring back some of the first movie's darker themes and force the main characters to make hard choices.
I hate to keep plugging the same thing over and over again, but it is very unlikely that we will ever see a full-grown Chomper in such a scenario due to CBS (not the media corp.). That's what fanfiction's for, though. If they DID decide to delve into such issues, LBT would be exciting again, certainly worth a second look by those who aren't interested in children's shows.
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Just out of curiosity, what is Charlie Brown Syndrome?
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Tails_155 introduced me to the term (I forget where). It's basically where kids never grow up in television shows, movies, comic strips, etc. Have you ever noticed that the cast in the Peanuts comic strip has never grown up through all of these decades? That's Charlie Brown Syndrome for you.
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Ahhh, that's what it is.
Yeah, I agree. It would be a miracle if they reached 12 or 11 or whatever age Littlefoot & Co. are.
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I think the reason why they aren't portrayed as ever growing up is because kids relate so much more to other kids, at least in my opinion.
There's one Family Guy episode where they show a Peanut's family reunion where everybody is probably in their late teens. I found it a little creepy.
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I agree completely with LBTfan13 at this point.
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I think the reason why they aren't portrayed as ever growing up is because kids relate so much more to other kids, at least in my opinion.
There's one Family Guy episode where they show a Peanut's family reunion where everybody is probably in their late teens. I found it a little creepy.
I actually found that part in Family Guy funny. :lol :lol :lol :) :)
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Like peanuts, the LBT gang will likely be the same age forever, unlike in little rascals where they have to keep replacing the kids as they got to big or old.
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I was actually wondering what would happen if they tried to do like a show or movie where the LBT kids were older, maybe even in their teens. And for some reason a dramatic anime type thing popped into my head...it was quite odd. :lol
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Well, there is a show called "All Grown Up" where the baby's from "Rugrats" are teens now.
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That could make an interested group of specials, showing the gang as teens, then showing them as adults.
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"All Grown Up" was silly to me, though I did love Rugrats, so seeing them as that much older was a treat. And if they did do an "All Grown Up" thing with the LBT Gang, it makes me wonder what the subject matter in the special would be. :lol Thoughts of the "Birds and the bees" come to mind. XD
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i think he's adorable even tho im a guy he's so little and cute :DD
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Very much agreed mcr. :DD
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if i was a girl i'd proable fance him
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Maybe they drew him to be cute, at least in part.
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Hah, I think everyone pretty much said everything here. :lol I would love to see a 'grown up' movie honestly, and some darker themes more like the original had. Honestly, as I've stated elsewhere the original is my main reason for loving LBT, some of the sequels and especially the series (what I've seen of it) just weird me out. :blink: I do love Chomper though and think his character has great potential, if the original writers and producers had control (or interest) again perhaps we might see something more, but as it is I don't think it's very likely. If they were to do something along those lines and somehow kept it as innocent as it is now, they'd probably just overlook the majority of these issues. Make something up that somehow a trex can stay healthy and happy with just insects (perhaps fish too, as someone mentioned. Not logical, but it wouldn't surprise me.
This makes me think of something else strange they did with Chomper. Just why do they give him three claws? Tyrannosaurus rex had two. He only has two in LBT 2, so why change it? I'm pretty sure all other sharpteeth just have two. o.O I always draw him with two. He's a Trex; to my knowledge has no weird growths so...two claws/fingers. :p Also, how was he able to swim up from the ocean ("can't swim with those scrawny arms", to quote. I know Littlefoot rescues him, but before that it sure looks like he's swimming up towards the surface. Possible? Who knows... Ah, look at me rant. :lol)
Right now in the tv show, Chomper is playing "Simba", so to speak, something I always found a touch confusing too. How could a lion grow up so strong with just insects? :blink: We can only assume this is all Simba has during his time in the jungle with Timon and Pumbaa. We can also guess he returns to regular prey after assuming his place as king. This is just an example, but we never see much of the conflict and uneasy feelings that would obviously show up there either. Of course, he wouldn't turn on his friends either and I think the same is true for Chomper. It would make for some major tension, though. Challenge friendships. All that good stuff that makes for an intriguing story. ;p
I'm looking too much into the tv series here too (and that confuses me enough as it is, it brings up far too many questions: How'd they get off the island, for starters). Just looking at the two movies in which Chomper appears in (especially the 5th), it implies that not only is Chomper eating meat, that his parents are likely teaching him how to hunt (why else was he stalking the gang, prior to recognizing them. When we first see a zoom in on his eyes, they're obviously narrowed, and from the look of things he had every intention of hunting).
Yet again, just looking at the movies, it seemed that insects were fine as a baby (and remember, as a hatchling Chomper showed 'interest' in Petrie, and instinct seemed to kick in at the sight of Cera's tail), but I'd think a growing tyrannosaurus (the age he is in the 5th movie/the series) could use a little something more. At the very least, his parents bringing him things or allowing him to share at 'meal time' (much like young wolves and lions). That gets us into the behavior of certain species though; I saw a neat show on Saturday that said some scientists now think Trex may have traveled in family groups, even packs so to speak.
Ah, I'm sure there was something else I meant to say here...but for now let me just say, great points made...now lets get to work on some fan fics/comics/artwork, since they're very likely the only way we'll see some of this cool stuff. :rolleyes:
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These are some interesting points, and likely when they introduced Chomper they did not think out the full ramifications. Most folks do not so that is normal.
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Maybe they did think more about the ramifications at the time Chomper was introduced than they did later on. The problem of Chomper being a carnivore was very present in LBT 2 and in LBT 5 as well. Neither sequel found a solution for the problem because there really is none. It would have been an awful turnabout of the laws of nature if they had done something like turning Chomper into a "friendly vegetarian" or something along that lines. Mercifully they didn't do this in the TV series either (for all I know without having seen most of the sequels), but there they totally negate the problem. Is there any episode which explains why all of a sudden none of the grownups has a problem with Chomper in the Great Valley?
I suppose it is not too far fetched to suggest that Chomper could life on insects and small lizards so long he is as small as he is. As Akiko said, LBT 5 clearly suggests that he did eat larger prey before. Chomper's parents were not surprised at all at Chomper's excuse that he "had longneck" for breakfast. Apparently they not only didn't question his eating longneck but they didn't question his ability to hunt down a longneck (presumably a very small, that is young, one) either. Had they known of a longneck they had hunted down recently Chomper could have referred to it directly.
It was mentioned that there was not much to eat on the island for the sharpteeth and we never ever saw any larger dinosaur except for the Sharpteeth and the flyer that caught Ducky. So they probably didn't have a very broad selection of species to life on.
Anyway, with the causeway gone food is very likely to run out for good on the "Mysterious Island" (what was so mysterious about it anyway?). This would be a very interesting theme for a land before time story, but it would also be a story that would no longer allow for any "beating the bush" about Chomper's being a carnivore. I have been thinking about a story in which a flyer carries a message to the Great Valley. The flyer was caught by Chomper on the island (fragile as flyers are I don't think even a grownup flyer would be an impossible prey for Chomper so long it is not one of the largest kinds) but set free again in exchange for the promise to carry a message to Littlefoot in the Great Valley.
That message would be a kind of goodbye from Chomper with the explanation that food is running out for good on the island and that he and his parents are to starve soon. Littlefoot and the others would of course never allow a friend to starve if they can help him. But CAN they help him? The obvious "solution" would be to find a way for Chomper and his parents to leave the island. Finding a way for Chomper might be comparatively easy while finding a way for his parents would be a lot more difficult. I don't think that there would be any realistic way for them to leave the island if it wasn't for another earthquake or a similar disaster providing a temporary way to leave the island (While Elzy might be capable and at ease carrying Chomper I don't think the same would be possible for Chomper's parents). But leaving aside all the difficulties of finding a way to get Chomper's parents off the island there is also the moral conflict on whether Littlefoot and the others could even do that. If indeed they managed to help Chomper's parents off the island this would cause death to other dinosaurs with all the consequences we have seen in the original movie. Could Littlefoot possibly accept that other dinosaurs would have to go through the grief he suffered in the first movie? Could he possibly close the eyes to a friend's peril on behalf of other dinosaurs he doesn't know? Could he possibly save a friend but tell him that he must leave his parents behind? And would saving Chomper not cause just the same problems as saving his parents, just with some delay?
It would certainly be VERY tough stuff for an LBT story.
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Anyway, with the causeway gone food is very likely to run out for good on the "Mysterious Island" (what was so mysterious about it anyway?).
It was mysterious because the gang had never seen the island and/or didn't know anything about it or it's inhabitants.
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They never explained, it happened offscreen before the series happened. I'm not sure if Elsie would have a problem carrying one of Chomper's parents at a time, and if the tide goes go low who knows, maybe his parents could walk across it. There are many possibilities.
The more likely thing is Chomper would have to leave the great valley eventually, though allowed to visit it now and then. Perhaps, as I mentioned before somewhere, he'd patrol the area outside the great valley to keep it more safe from other sharpteeth.
If one looks at the movies, and ignores the tv series, Chomper, and Mo, would be likely friends of the gang that they see only once in a while. Similar to Ali, though for different reasons.
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Is there any episode which explains why all of a sudden none of the grownups has a problem with Chomper in the Great Valley?
There's another thing that confuses me about the series...it's all too sudden, as if you're just suppose to accept it and not question (I can't do that ;p). I would think at least some, if not all, of the grown ups would have some kind of concern about it at first. Most especially characters like Cera's father, who one might call a "speciest" (I know I've seen that phrase somewhere here ;P); if he has trouble accepting other 'non three horns' then a sharptooth? Although I do remember a scene in "The Lonely Journey" where he says something along the lines of "I'm not any kind of food" to Chomper after he and Spike bump into him; that's the most I've seen of anything like that. There was also the family (forget what species) who during the 'great giving' celebration seem uneasy (the mother pulls her children away from Chomper saying something like "Come children, it isn't safe to play around sharpteeth"), so obviously not all the grown ups are comfortable with or accepting of him. We get subtle hints, but thus far no full explanation or episode/movie explaining the numerous questions the tv series brings with it. I know the main focus is for small children, but I think most kids with even half an attention span would wonder why all of a sudden Chomper is in the Great Valley (I know I would pick up on things like that as a kid...then again, I was more obsessive about my 'toons than most kids. :lol)
As for the relationships between Chomper and the gang, I forgot to mention something in my other post. Something that really reminds me of this topic, in that the story focuses on the exact same type of thing. Has anyone seen "One Stormy Night"? It's a japanese animated movie in which a wolf and a goat unintentionally become friends, and the struggles that come with such a friendship. In many scenes where Gabu (the wolf) is very hungry, he's shown quite literally having an inner battle with instinct to keep himself from viewing Mei (the goat) as something...other than a friend. Gabu doesn't 'turn vegetarian' either though, and in fact in one scene is shown returning to Mei after 'having some dinner' (sneaking off to do so away from his friend), to which Mei reacts harshly to. Conflict comes up between their herd and pack, and well...I won't say too much more of the story in case you guys haven't seen it. I highly recommend it though. You an find it with english subtitles on youtube (surprisingly); here's the first ten minutes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj3m1oJwTQE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj3m1oJwTQE) I'm sure you can find the others easily enough ;)) To sum it up, I would love to see something along those lines shown in LBT.
I always found it a touch funny that all the dinosaurs (save for Cera's father) of the Great Valley would change their views so fast (remember Littlefoot's mother saying "We all keep to our own kind" and "Well, because we're different. It's always been that way." at the time his grandparents didn't seem to protest with this viewpoint; obviously it's long accepted.) unless the children teaming together to find their way to the valley really inspired all of them that much. When they first arrive in the valley, it seems the dinosaurs are all standing with their own kind, so it would surprise me if everyone just suddenly accepted a new point of view and tolerance (for some, it's easier; not everyone can change long accepted views so quickly though). Even if after time more and more of them became more open minded, accepting a predator is very different than accepting other types of herbivores, so yeah...they best give us an explanation to that eventually because it'll keep nagging at me. :DD
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There are certain things like that about LBT that the writers and higher ups will likely never explain. Which is to bad since some explanations could be interesting flashbacks, episodes, movies, and scenes.
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One thing that botherd me about Chomper (and others) is how tiny he was in the 2nd movie compared to his parents. It was too small IMO...
Anyway, I found him adorable in the 2nd movie and loved the fact that he understood disaplin and such.
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DH's fanfic Out of the Shadows (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2550278/1/Out_of_the_Shadows) provides an interesting if rather disturbing view of Chomper as a late teen (about 17-18 in human years), hence the M/R rating. The Gang has also aged to about the same age. I think DH will be able to explain it better than I can.
My fanfic (See sig) has the Gang aged somewhat (they are a little larger and the heavier fighters <Spike, Littlefoot, Cera> can stand up to small sharpteeth, like fast biters). Chomper is still a little too young to be able to stand up to even small sharpteeth but he serves as a "mobile sensor array" (Oh, Tiberian Sun reference!) and "aviatior/bomber/gunner" for the "Great Valley Air Force" (See Land Before Time: Twilight Valley (Chapter 4) (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4044080/4/Land_Before_Time_Twilight_Valley))
I had Chomper and his parents live in the Great Valley, as "soldiers/guards" (not permanently) and they subisted by scavanging on dead sharpteeth (and plant eaters... if they got the next of kin's permission :lol ). Chomper subsited on scavanging, fish and insects.
I also played around with the idea in my fan fic that Chomper and his parents (and some of the allied sharpteeth) would eat the dead plant eaters, almost serving as the Great Valley's undertakers. And yes, they would treat the body with respect (as much respect as can be had when you are eating the body! :p)
Another fan fic had sharptooth kill only when in need of food and they treated the hunt like a duel
It wasn’t always like this. Long ago, we sharpteeth followed a code. We never fought unless in need of food. And we never went after the young, old, sick, and if they had any injuries or any other handicap before the battle. Also, we never used cowardly attacks on our opponents like going for legs and throwing sand in their faces.
This line is spoken by King, an allied sharptooth in this chapter: Land Before Time: War of the Worlds (Chapter 6) (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2151472/6/Land_Before_Time_War_of_the_Worlds)
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i think Chomper will always be good hopley nice and cute and i think he will stay friends with his friends and mabie protect them from any danger like in both parts 2 and 5.
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and in the tv show.
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he really is a good friend and the gang is lucky to have him as a friend.
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Chomper is one of my favorite characters, along with Ducky. His reaction to certain lines from other characters can be funny.
I agree on that.
However, I believe that the series never explained how Chomper got to the Valley, but I think I know why. Since the TV Series was targeted towards young children, the show would be written for that kind of audience. Since the mentality of young children is not as developed as ours (usually), they don't think about that. That is my theory as to why Universal didn't have an explanation to Chomper's arrival. This might also be why Chomper's acceptance was not explained.
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I know im not a mod, but could you please not double or tripple post? There is a modify button to add to a post you previously made. Just hit the edit button and you'll be able to add to what you previously wrote. ^__^
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Even some of the admins double and triple post every once in a while, everyone makes mistakes. ;)
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Mistakes happen, and some smaller buttons like edit can be easy to miss. Especially since it is between quote and report.
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That was no unintentional triple post since the times submitted between each message is over twenty minutes.
The "Edit" button is off to the right of the top of your post.
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Look between report and quote, it can be easy to miss at first.
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Yeah, I used to have trouble with posting at first. Those were what they pretty much looked like.
In my opinion, and I know we all have said this, The explination of how Chomper got to the Great Valley again would make a nice plot for another movie. Of course, in a lot of fanfictions, the most logical reason is his parents helped him cross the landbridge from their island, and they kept walking until they found it, but then again that's a fanfiction and nothing is ever true in those.
My guess is the movie series might end with Chomper and Ruby arriving at the Great Valley, but then again, the only reason why I don't see this happening is because they explain how the two get there in the TV series.
However, the TV series messes up logic in this, because Chomper moved to the new island after the second movie, so how could he magically appear back in the Mysterious Beyond? This would also argue that Chomper should not know Ruby yet, but like you said it's a kid's show so the creators must have thought they didn't need to make this logical.
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That is one of the many things we do not know about Chomper and Ruby. Was 1 or both of Chomper's parents friends with 1 or more of Ruby's parents, before they got to the mysterious island, lsland like childhood friends, or was it that they met after they left the mysterious island at some point after the 5th movie. Does one of Ruby's parents know sharptooth or did Chomper do all the translating. If they were old friends then one of Ruby's parents would need to know sharptooth, or one of Chomper's parents would have to know the flat tooth language. If they met later after they left the island after the 5th movie, they would have to explain why Chomper's parents came to trust Ruby with looking after their son. Though if they met after Chomper's parents and Chomper left the Mysterious Island after the 5th movie then neither of Ruby's parents need to know Sharptooth since Chomper could do all the translating needed.
They may explain this in a future movie, or they may not. They may keep the movie series and tv series separate. There may be more flashbacks that explain more. Like the brief flashback in The Meadow of Dancing Water where they show Ruby and Chomper on their way to the Great Valley and coming across the Meadow of Dancing Water. Another reason they may not put it into a movie besides wanting to keep the movie and tv series separate is that in the movies Littlefoot is the main character and they may not want to have a movie where a large amount of time is spent with Littlefoot not on screen.
We know from comments why they went to the Great Valley. Though there are still details mentioned that we do not know.
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i do not know how Chomper and his parents got off the mysterious island but i made up an idea that could help explain some but this is not true. I think mabie some how the island could be connected to part of the mysterious beyond since it seems that not many plant eaters live one the island. Chomper and his parents could have found another way off on the other side of the island mabie the back of the island has a connection but this is just something i was thinking about that is not true and how can it be connected if the island is near the big water and the big water is close the the valley? could there be a way to reach the island from the mysterious beyond? That i dont know.
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There could have been a low tide where Chomper's parents may have been able to carry him out while walking. Another earthshake may have lowered the water, or Elsie could have carried each of his parents. There could have been other possibilities also. We may never know unless it's shown in a flashback in the tv series or it's shown in a future movie.
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i would like to know but what ever happens happens time will tell i will just wait to see. :^.^:
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True, maybe some more information will be revealed eventually in another season or movie.
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Perhaps the introduction of LBT 5 gives a suggestion on how Chomper and his folks might have escaped from the island:
The great landmasses were ever moving and shifting.
There is no real reason to assume that in a world where an earthquake could destroy a causeway another earthquake couldn't create one. Also there may have been a temporary drop of the sea level. When sun and moon are in a constellation that has their gravity "pull" the water in the same direction this can cause temporary increase of decrease of the water level. A decrease of the water level might make the destroyed causeway passable for Chomper's parents. A more spectacular cause for a temporary drop of the water level would be a tsunami. Before a tsunami strikes the water usually recedes quite some distance, exposing areas which are usually submerged, no matter the tide.
We don't know anything certain about the whereabouts of Chomper's parents. We cannot exclude the possibility that they never left the island. Unlike Chomper, they would be unable to leave the island on Elzy's back. Is there any chance that they sent their son away when food ran out on the island for good? It doesn't seem likely as Chomper never gives any indication whatsoever of a tragic goodbye from his parents. Still it might be more plausible for him not to mention it if he left them while they were alive, rather than him witnessing their possible death.
In any case it seems likely that something must have forced them to part (whether this means the death of Chomper's parents or not) as there is no other way to explain Chomper's being with Ruby's family before he went to the Great Valley.
Is it possible that sharptooth kids (unlike the kids of other species) are supposed to be on their own at a young age already? It doesn't look like it in LBT 2 and 5, where Chomper's parents seemed to care a lot about him.
One thing which I consider especially stressed in many of the TV episodes is Chomper's young age. He is the youngest of the whole group and there are several cases in the series where it really shows. Not only that Ruby seems to have been assigned to him as a kind of "nanny" (assigned by Chomper's parents???) but also the way he talks and thinks in a sometimes naive manner. There are scenes in the TV series in which he is really just a very cute, innocent child, a role which makes quite a contrasts with the nature of his species.
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A more spectacular cause for a temporary drop of the water level would be a tsunami. Before a tsunami strikes the water usually recedes quite some distance, exposing areas which are usually submerged, no matter the tide.
In The Mysterious Island (LBT 5) I think that the wave that originally destroyed the landbridge was a tsunami. If you think about it, the wave seemed to take the form of a wall of water, very, very few waves except rogue waves take that form.
Perhaps an explanation for Chomper's parents missing is that the tsunami that exposed the landbridge hit while they were crossing. But how would that explain how Chomper survived?
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In The Mysterious Island (LBT 5) I think that the wave that originally destroyed the landbridge was a tsunami. If you think about it, the wave seemed to take the form of a wall of water, very, very few waves except rogue waves take that form.
And Tsunamis usually don't roll from the shore towards the open sea the way the Tsunami in LBT 5 did. :lol
Perhaps an explanation for Chomper's parents missing is that the tsunami that exposed the landbridge hit while they were crossing. But how would that explain how Chomper survived?
It was just one theory, but perhaps Chomper and his parents were just separated without his parents actually dying?
The tsunami however is only one possibility.
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And Tsunamis usually don't roll from the shore towards the open sea the way the Tsunami in LBT 5 did. :lol
No wave does that.
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There could have been another earthshake that could have lowered the water level again while opening areas not to far from where the land bridge is. Also from comments made on the tv show there is no indication that Chomper's parents ever died and for Ruby to have been asked to watch Chomper by his parents she'd have to have met them and they'd have to have come to trust her with their son. The most likely scenario is his parents got off of the island somehow and either encountered Ruby's family one of Chomper's parents one of her parents before. It could be they are off looking for a safe place to raise Chomper away from where Red Claw is and intend to come back later to pick him up. That could be part of the reason Chomper & Ruby want to learn how the Great Valley dinos work together so they can drive off or defeat Red Claw perhaps so Chomper's parents can come and get him since it'll be safer then.
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Also from comments made on the tv show there is no indication that Chomper's parents ever died and for Ruby to have been asked to watch Chomper by his parents she'd have to have met them and they'd have to have come to trust her with their son.
Good point.
I'm still confused about Chomper's parents though. Would Redclaw be a threat to them? And if so, why would they want to leave Chomper with Ruby and her family (who are not nearly as capable of defending themselves and others as Chomper's parents are). There are many questions for which I don't think we will get a definite answer, though we may continue to guess.
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what i think about why Chomper's parents left Ruby to watch their son is because they may think Chomper would be much safer living in the valley even though the valley can get dangours sometimes where in alot of episodes show this and Ruby could have been someone Chomper's parents trusted to look out from Chomper but still why would they have her do it and not go to the valley with Chomper them selfs mabie because they are not welcome in the Valley and because Ruby is a new Character and her reason for watching Chomper is explained more and another reason why chomper could have letf his parents is because he is getting bigger now and they could wont him to start to go out on his own but he is so close to his parents and to young to defend and hunt on his own. He could have left because his parents wonted him to start to eat other dinosaurs and he did not wont to do that because well he is a little older now and he is a t rex or sharptooth but thats just a funny idea i made up. I wonder how Ruby and chomper meet what was it like and how did ruby talk to Chomper's parents to tell them she would watch Chomper if she speeks leafeater and Chomper's parents do not speek leafeater they speek sharptooh well mabie Chomper told them and also what would happen to her if Ruby ever lost Chomper would one of Chomper's parents eat her for that? i may have over thought this a bit to much but i do wonder this sometimes. :yes
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He is so cute and he still is a baby. Don't call him a baby. :angry: Sometime he left out because he is a little sharptooth. Cera is sometimes mean to him so he should bit her a lot. I mean a lot. Seriously shouldn't he be playing with other little sharp teeth so he can learn how to fight and hunt like the lion cubs and wolves do. I wonder sometimes if parents feed him meat or give him examples ofit? The episode"Lonely journey"Doesn't make sense to me. Chomper acts and thinks he is a flatttooth that he isn't aware that those fast biters speak only sharptooth. Redclaw who is always out to get him more than his friends? This is a puzzle to me since why would redclaw want to cannibalize such a little rex. Why have two fast biters as pals or pets? In the episode ,he runs pass chomper without he recoginizes his scent. Which is weird since Redclaw seem to hate Chomper more than the other sharpteeth and is always trying to get him?Why I don't know. The baby sharptooth who try to teach sicks his parents on poor Chomper. :cry Maybe because he wasn't the same kind of sharptooth as chomper since his parents look more like Spinosaurus than T-Rexes.He decides the only way to escape the baby's parents is to run to place where he wouldn't chase someone. Okay. They weren't chasing him anymore.If I didn't know better i would think chomper made the whole story up so he could play in the snow and slip down the cliff on accident. Maybe chomper's teaching methods or approach was wrong. When in the Mysterious beyond be like a sharptooth or yourself?He should learn to force them to behave. HE wanted sharpteeth to be nice to each other? There are little sharpteeth so I assume they are nice to each other. I suppose it is because he is still a baby though I think he should learn to get along with his own kind. Rudy says that sharpteeth weren't ready to be taught. It would be wise for chomper to get to learn how to be like his kind. :cry2
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Hrm, this topic has already been made, check this older one here: http://z7.invisionfree.com/thegangoffive/i...?showtopic=2075 (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=1675)
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No problem at all. I merged the two threads.
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No problem at all. I merged the two threads.
I didn't know that was possible.
As Ruby does mention she promised his parents to look after him. How this came about and why he's not with his parents may be a few mysteries that are never resolved. It could be that Chomper translated, or it could be one of Ruby's parents may know sharptooth. Who knows maybe one of them saved one of Chomper's parents when they were kids or she saved Chomper at some point, similar to how Littlefoot saved Chomper in 5.
In a flashback it seems Ruby and Chomper were planning on going to the Great Valley even before Red Claw appeared & they got separated from her parents. It may be possible that Chomper was separated from his parents by Red Claw or something. I'd guess they are still alive since he doesn't mention them not being alive, or seeing them die or something like that. Also it is odd that Ruby's parents never did go to the Great Valley. They had at least 2 chances, before Red Claw appeared and Ruby & Chomper went to the Great Valley, & in the tv episode Return to Hanging Rock. Another mystery of unanswered questions.
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Well, the fact why Chomper have left his parents behind is easy to explain: he have stopped to eat meat completely, and that cause some troubles to his parents. So they have found some other species to help them care for their child. Mayble, Chomper's parents even started to feel shameful about their kid. :huh:
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I don't think so. We see him eat insects throughout the episodes while it is made clear that he can't eat plants. For obvious reasons he can't eat meat in the Great Valley, but he is still young enough to make a living on insects where older sharpteeth may not. If Chomper's parents had "expelled" him I doubt they would have told Ruby to take care of him.
The movies sort of avoid to really tackle the problems that originate from Chomper's being a sharptooth. I could well imagine him being fully capable of eating some of those not-speaking lizards which sometimes creep throughout LBT movies for merely decorative purposes, but he would probably be considerate (towards his friends as well as for his own good) enough not to do that while his friends are watching.
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He's eaten some meat on screen and has been shown to spit out green food when he accidentally gets some in his mouth. He's eaten a snapping shell, various kinds of insects. As to why he's not with his parents, that is never fully explained. He and Ruby are on a mission, but whether this has anything to do with his being separated from his parents is not mentioned.
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Malte, when i said "stop eating meat completely", i meant the dinosaures' meat. I think, that many sharptheeth would consider it's a shame for a young shartheeth of the Chomper's age to keep on eating insects. Remember the scene from the 5th movie, when Chomper's mother told him "not to play with his food". That means, she was sure, that Chomper could hunt Littlefoot without big problems.
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Yes Andrey, but there are some problems about the whole thing. The one is that for the time being Chomper may be able to make a living on insects and perhaps small lizards, but this is not a state that can last forever. When he grows up this diet won't do to keep him alive.
Next, it is interesting (but tricky) to think about where Littlefoot and the others would draw the line on what Chomper "may" eat and what he may not. There are several scenes throughout LBT where Littlefoot or other characters showed some interest in smaller creatures (frog, dragonfly etc.) though it is not quite sure if they would put them on the same level as dinosaurs (as "sentient beings" so to speak). They probably wouldn't think much about such creatures they cannot communicate with verbally (which should be a relief for the Tinysauruses of LBT 11 who otherwise might qualify for a meal for Chomper). There is one land before time audio play which includes a speaking caterpillar. That audio play does not include Chomper, but if it wasn't for his speaking that caterpillar would probably be accepted as a meal for Chomper. However, the ability or inability to speak is probably not the only thing Littlefoot and the others would take into account when deciding what Chomper "may" eat and what he may not (great relief for Spike) as there have been not speaking characters such as Tickles whom Littlefoot and the others would certainly not tolerate as part of Chomper's diet.
I suppose that (same as the producers of the movies) Littlefoot and the others probably give as little thought as possible to Chomper's diet.
As for Chomper's parents perceiving Chomper as a "shame" for befriending leafeaters I'm not really sure. They proved rather tolerant about this towards the end of LBT 5. Aware as they are that Chomper cannot possibly make a living on insects when he grows up they may be very worried (rather than ashamed) about him. LBT 5 clearly suggests that Chomper did eat larger prey (his excuse of longneck smell as a result of his burping after having had longneck for breakfast was accepted without question). I'm afraid some day Chomper would have to face very difficult decisions. Perhaps he might even be able to make a living on the corpses of dinosaurs who died of natural causes in the Great Valley. But however important scavengers are in a working ecosystem, it is questionable that Littlefoot and the others would bear this lightly, not to mention the rest of the Great Valley inhabitants.
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Also that may be taken into consideration is a creature that they can not talk to but another that they can can as in the 9th movie when some insects appear and Mo is able talk to them, but the gang is unable to. I wonder if the gang would consider them ok food for Chomper after the 9th movie happens.
Though it is true that as he gets older Chomper will have to make some hard choices and his friends may as well.
It would be easier on fastbiter characters, but not a t-rex like Chomper.
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One thing that bothers me is what does happen to the bodies of dinos that die in the great valley? Are there any scavengers there that eat them? I sort of doubt it, since they would probably be considered sharpteeth and the Great Valley is supposed to a sharpteeth free place.
But if the bodies were just left around to decompose then wouldn't that cause some sanitation problems? If Chomper were to eat them though, then wouldn't that reduce the risk?
Anyway, as for Chomper, he is one of my favorite characters. He is naive and all, but also a very interesting character. I think it would be interesting to write a fanfic that would deal with how he would cope with his growing appetite as he gets older.
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My guess is there are a few options. One is if the person dies inside the great valley that they could be covered with rocks and maybe some dirt. It would be hard to dig with no shovels or other tools but carrying rocks may be possible. They may also be able to gather some loose dirt or mud from a mud pool or a riverbank or riverbed.
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I have one theory about the dinosaurs in the Great Valley which is based partly on an idea from a Dinotopia story. Perhaps dinosaurs who feel their end coming but are still able to walk (like some wild animals dinosaurs may have a keener sense of approaching death than civilization pampered humans do) may decide to leave the Great Valley to die in the Mysterious Beyond thereby not only sparing the Great Valley inhabitants with their corpse but also sort of "appease" hungry sharpteeth in the vicinity of the Great Valley. This theory might give an explanation why there are so many skelletons in the vicinity of the Great Valley in LBT 2 and 3. It wouldn't work out always though (Littlefoot's grandpa in LBT would not have been able to walk out anymore). I'm positive that there was a longer thread on the question of scavengers in the Great Valley somewhere in the general LBT section.
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There may be that custom. Also, I think, in at least 1 cave maybe in the tv series, or a movie, there is a skeleton of maybe a swimmer in a cave near the Great Valley so if some do this, then maybe that one didn't quite make it. I think the Eskimos use to have that custom. That old folks, once they got to a certain age or health, I don't recall the details, that they would leave the community, though I don't recall the details since I read that a long time ago.
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It would be intresting to find out what exactly happens to dead dinosaurs.
I Remember seeing something about vultures in the great vally.
They could perhaps have a few caves where they leave the dead dinosaurs, but considiring the dead bodies have to get into the caves first which would be slightly depressing for the LBT universe,
Back to the topic.
Everyone loves Chomper! :oops :confused
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They could perhaps have a few caves where they leave the dead dinosaurs, but considiring the dead bodies have to get into the caves first which would be slightly depressing for the LBT universe,
If i remember correctly, it was revealed in one of the TV episodes that old harbivore dinosaures in Great Valley moves to the "funeral caves" just after they lose their theeth.
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It would seem that some do try to move into caves, and some just die where they are at that moment. In lbt 4 I doubt Grandpa Longneck in his sick condition could have moved into a cave. & being a resident he seemed to have no teleport power like Ali has. Though maybe there is a little fairy that uses her magic wand to teleport corpses in the Great Valley into the nearest cave to keep things looking neater.
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I like Chomper. He was actually one of my favorite characters when I was a kiddie, very high up there with Little Foot. I liked his little personality and the fact he was a carnivore that was friends with herbivores.
I still like this character, just not as much as I used to. I kind of "grew out" of this character so to speak.
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He is one of the most if not the second most talked about movie character I'd guess. & before Tria and Tricia the only 1 movie character to make a 2nd appearance in another movie.
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I read a topic somewhere where somebody was wondering how Chomper could speak leaf-eater, despite not knowing it in the 2nd film.
I imagine Chomper learnt the odd word from listening to the others (and it is clear he vaguely understands them), and then improved his vocal skills on his travels. Picture this. Chomper's parents hunt through a forest. Chomper wanders away from them, and finds a leafeater herd. Chomper, being too small to be noticed, waits in the bush, and listens to the conversations, teaching himself to speak. This is interrupted by his parents, who proceed to scare away the majority of the herd, and eat the stragglers.
A lot of time passed between 2 and 5, and if we asssume that Chomper only recently moved to the Island, then we can assume that he had enough time to learn enough leaf-eater from his travels. I'm not sure, but we could assume that in LBT 5, Chomper only knew the odd word, and managed to pick up more words as he spent time with everyone. By the time of the TV series, he is living in the valley, and has Ruby as a caregiver, so he should speak perfect leaf-eater now.
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Would Chomper have an "accent"? I know from my AP Psych classes that children pick up accents from their peers. I assume his first language was Sharptooth, then he learned Leaf-Eater from his prey.
If that were the case, wouldn't his leaf-eater be heavily accented (as is usually the case for people who learn a second language later in life)? Or has he learned to reduce his accent?
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He may have learned it from flyers who visited the island. & who knows, maybe one of Ruby's parents knows both languages and is a friend of one of his parents. Quite a few possibilities since it was never said.
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I don't believe the show goes into such considerations... perhaps it just has overlooked that fact, or maybe Chomper picked up the "leafeater accent" as well as the language...
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Would Chomper have an "accent"? I know from my AP Psych classes that children pick up accents from their peers. I assume his first language was Sharptooth, then he learned Leaf-Eater from his prey.
If that were the case, wouldn't his leaf-eater be heavily accented (as is usually the case for people who learn a second language later in life)? Or has he learned to reduce his accent?
Maybe because Leafeater was the first language he heard spoken, he imprinted on it as his first language (he even speaks a couple of garbled Leafeater phrases in LBT II), and so he actually has a Leafeater accent, rather than a Sharptooth accent. (That might also explain why his Sharptooth roars and growls in the TV series are so atrociously onomatopoeic. :p)
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On another subject, I remember the odd discussion about whether Chomper is a T-Rex or not, because he has three fingers on his hands, while his parents have only two. After browsing Wikipedia randomly, I found a headline saying they found that T-Rexes did have a third finger, but it wasn't very useful (There's a picture here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tyrannosaur_arm_104.JPG) ). So, maybe his "hands" can be explained as cartoony exaggerations. Or, maybe the finger stays that length all a T-Rex's life, so at a younger age they would appear to have a third finger, but not as adults!
Most likely I'm looking too deeply into this. Thoughts?
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Note that he did have two fingers in LBT 2. In the fifth movie he had to do stuff with his hands (e.g. drag that leaf with the dinner for his friends) which might have looked more awkward with two fingers. Also the LBT drawers are generous in distributing opposable thumbs to the hands of their two legged dinosaurs... there are actually scenes in LBT 3 and 4 where it looks like Littlefoot respectively Ali had an opposable thumb.
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Especially main character types, including Cera also. While Often Tria does not, I guess since she's not seen as a main char. Though they do change at times. I guess some artists will draw the quadrupeds with no opposable thumbs and if there is anyone in charge won't catch it for consistency, or does not care.
Or one could say in the universe where lbt takes place maybe there was a species of t-rex that did have 2 fingers and an opposable thumb as some quadrupeds did also.
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Chomper is my favorite character, mainly because T-rexs are my favorite dinosaurs, but the main issue with him is what he will do when he gets older, honestly I think he can live off of a mixture of fish, bugs, scavenging dead dinosaurs, and maybe if he really needs to a hunt.
There is evidence to suggest that T-rex was actually a scavenger so I feel he could live off of this, I think he would be aloud to eat the bodies, but he would probably drag them into his cave first so no one would need to see, he would be doing the valley a favor disposing of dead bodies, it might be hard to know that the body of a loved one is being eaten by a friend but I think they would consider it better then the alternatives.
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He is an interesting character and things may change for him once he reaches his teenage years.
I think in Dinosaur Train they do go with that t-rex's being carrion eaters.
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Maybe because Leafeater was the first language he heard spoken, he imprinted on it as his first language (he even speaks a couple of garbled Leafeater phrases in LBT II), and so he actually has a Leafeater accent, rather than a Sharptooth accent. (That might also explain why his Sharptooth roars and growls in the TV series are so atrociously onomatopoeic. :p)
I always thought this was how he learned leaf. Littlefoot did speak to him a lot, so he could have picked it up from him. Also, in numerous occasions in LBT II, when Chomper speaks, it almost sounds like he is trying to piece words together. For example, right after he bites Cera's tail, when Littlefoot calls him over, it's almost like he is asking "What did I do?". There are a couple other examples as well, but I can't remember them off the top of my head.
One thing that has always been on my mind is what would happen if Chomper were to grow up. Would his sharptooth instincts take over him, or would the experiences he's shared with his friends allow him to keep his current kind nature. We have to remember that it seemed like Chomper had every intention of eating the gang during that whole chase scene in LBT V, until he recognized Littlefoot. I know this has been explored in numerous fanfics, but it's always been something to think about.
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I'll share my thoughts on Chomper here.
One thing that has always been on my mind is what would happen if Chomper were to grow up. Would his sharptooth instincts take over him, or would the experiences he's shared with his friends allow him to keep his current kind nature. We have to remember that it seemed like Chomper had every intention of eating the gang during that whole chase scene in LBT V, until he recognized Littlefoot. I know this has been explored in numerous fanfics, but it's always been something to think about.
I'd expect that Chomper was acting like he was hunting because he had spent the vast majority of his time with his parents at that point. He only spent maybe two days with the Gang before that point, so it probably took him time to remember something like that from far in his past. Since he's spent anywhere from a few months to a couple years in the Great Valley in the TV series, I think he's grown much more with leaf eaters, and probably wouldn't WANT to ever hunt one.
some interesting things in the TV series I noticed is how Chomper and the Gang joke about Chompers diet more. From different characters getting scared when he says he's hungry, to him offering ground crawlers to leaf eaters as a joke. I expect as time goes on, they all would have grown closer together, and they'd joke about it a lot more. I see Chomper as just about the only source of dark humor actually. :lol
That's how I'm developing him in my fanfiction. I'm making him more of a practical joker, and someone who'd joke about eating other dinosaurs a lot, but never actually would. He's not acting this way around grownups, but I'm sure he'd feel comfortable around his friends to act that way.
Chomper's such an interesting character. One of the things I'm most sad about with LBT being cancelled is that Chomper won't be developed on anymore :cry
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Was Thomas Dekker the perfect voice actor for Chomper?
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Chomper is an interesting character, he is after all split between what is expected of him (as a carnivore) and by what his 'heart' wants to do (by being friends with the gang). For that, he is quite strong really and he is so adorable.C=
Dekker didn't voice Chomper in V, he voiced Littlefoot..
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In a way, he's never stopped being a sharptooth, even in the TV series. He still eats meat, and the Gang at least seems fine with that.
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Chomper is XDD.
I like his character.
:DD
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Chomper is a loyal friend,is like a little brother to littlefoot and have a funny face :lol
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One question I'd like to ask, is when Chomper does start hunting to survive (I'm pretty sure he'll have to at some point. MAYBE he'll be able to get by with just scavenging) will the fact that he can speak flattooth change anything? It's kind of been implied in the series, and expanded on in some fanfictions (like Sharptooth Valley) that Sharpteeth think that flatteeth are stupid creatures who can't talk, and that flatteeth think the same way about sharpteeth.
But with Chomper, it's different. He knows that flatteeth are intelligent, just like sharpteeth. Whenever he'd try to hunt something down, he'd be able to understand what he/she was saying. Hear them call out for help, or for their parents, ect. Would that affect Chomper any? Would he be fighting any kind of inner battles within himself because of all the things he'd hear his prey say?
I just think it's something interesting to discuss.
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Ah yes, Chomper's a cool character alright. I'll talk about my views on each of his incarnations:
II- Definitely one of the best aspects of this film. He was really well designed, and I'm not sure what, but his general build really displayed a sort of baby-like texture to his skin. Scaly, but soft at the same time, especially in the face. His voice was pretty cute too, even if he just spoke in coos, growls and occasional garbled words.
V- A bit more of a mixed bag. I kinda wish they had kept his design closer to his cuter II design, with the bigger eyes and fleshier design and so forth, but I guess they changed it to make him look like he'd grown up. He just looked so much cuter and expressive in his original form. But he was a pretty cool character in this one, and had some great lines (Case in point, "YOU CAN'T DO THAT TO MY MOMMY!"). The only thing that really let him down was his voice actor. The studio took a risk with actually hiring a little kid to voice him, and it turned out to be a mistake. The kid's acting was definitely hit and miss, especially in the middle. Though otherwise, he was pretty solid as a character.
TV series- I think this is my favourite version of him. he just brings a great new character to the series with his quirky personality, his carnivorous nature, his gross eating habits, it just all plays well. His gullibility and simple nature really works to bring about all sorts of interesting turns, like the classic scene of him completely losing it after one of his teeth falls out. His expressions, timing, actions, all perfect cartoon gold.
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To vonboy: I think that knowing the leafeater's tongue will make hunting emotionally much more difficult for Chomper. It will be much harder for him to treat his prey as a non-person. His situation will no longer resemble that of a human hunter, but rather that of a soldier. We all know how killing people affects soldiers, if they're not psychopats already. My guess would be that Chomper would suffer from some form of PTSD. Put simply, when Chomper grows up his life will be miserable.
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My view on Chomper hunting is opposite to what has been said so far. I am not saying, “I am right, and you are wrong.” All I am doing is expressing my own opinion, which could be a big mistake. My stance is that Chomper, knowing the leaf-eater tongue, will have no emotional problem with hunting leaf-eaters. Don’t worry, though. I’m not just saying this. I’m also going to explain why I feel this way.
In movie V, it is clear that Chomper learned to speak leaf-eater before meeting the kids again. I mean, he didn’t just look at that them and suddenly know how to talk to them. So this means that Chomper was hunting leaf-eaters while knowing how to talk to them. Look at his eyes during the hunt. They had no hesitation in them. They were full of bloodlust. He had no problem with the fact that he was hunting creatures he could understand. He didn’t stop until he recognized that the kids were his friends.
So my guess is that when Chomper must eat more than just a few bugs to survive, he won’t have any problem hunting leaf-eaters he does not know. But put a friend in his path, and I am sure that he’ll screech to a halt.
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^That's creepy if you think about it, but it makes sense nonetheless. It would make the sequels even darker than the first movie, not by what is shown, but by what is NOT shown. I always thought that the little sharptooth could survive on bugs and maybe small vertebrates. But then again, how could he have learned the language? Since the other (purely carnivorous) sharpteeth learned no such thing (Thud being a weak exception) it would make Chomper either very smart or very emphatic. Since symphatising too much with your pray is self-defeating, and Chomper obviously doesn't show any emotional problems, but still protects his friends I would say that he is a very smart sharptooth (emphasis on sharptooth).
He could simply have a different psychology from his leafeater friends. After all, Littlefoot said they were from two different worlds. And though these worlds will always be against each other, they are similar enough that once in many years certain individuals befriend each other for at least some time. In fact, the creation of the Gang in the first place was an unlikely event, as stated by the narrator in the first movie.
So, if you're right (and it seems you are), Chomper will have to leave the Great Valley, either because he'll start hunting leafeaters he isn't very close with (he can't be close friends with everyone) or if he is indeed close friends with everyone, he will leave because he has to eat. Either way, he will have to leave the Gang.
But wait, I thought of another explanation. Maybe he did eat only bugs after all, but since he is too small and too weak to hunt leafeaters on his own (even the children are in most cases protected by their parents) he could have learned the leafeater's tongue simply by watching his parents hunt. Or since he is a child with not much to do, he could have stalked leafeaters out of boredom.
His attack on the Gang when he first saw them in the fifth movie was an outburst of sharpteeth instinct, soon defeated by Chomper's reason (remember, he still is an intellect among sharpteeth for learning Leafeater). He may not have hunted any leafeaters at all, nor with his knowledge feel an overpowering desire to do so. Until savage hunger kicks in, of course.
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As for Chomper's ability to speak leafeater language without any explanation in LBT 5 I have an own theory that would explain where his ability came from as well as the origin of the link between him and Ruby.
As for his diet, I am pretty sure that Chomper did eat dinosaur meat (if nothing else his excuse for the smell of longneck in LBT V should be evidence). I'm not quite as sure about the degree to which he himself had been the hunter of the prey he devoured or if it was still mostly his parents feeding him. I daresay he would be physically capable to kill or mortally wound very young dinosaurs, but I also see him as no match in a physical fight to a threehorn of Cera's age or size. I also think that however much it might disgust his friends Chomper is more likely than not to have scavenged on corpses found rather than created throughout his life.
There is a series of LBT audio plays in Germany that are not based on the stories of the movies. Chomper does not appear in any of them, but that may be the much the better as two of the episodes involve a talking caterpillar named Harry that would surely be difficult to bring to terms with Chomper's "Valley diet".
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Chomper is one of those characters that still has an immature mind, but still can follow the lead with the other characters. Like previously said, he is comical when it comes to other characters.
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There is another source of food for Chomper that he could pick. Tickle Fuzzies. Though some like the ones in Stranger from the Mysterious Above, others like Tickles are mute. Chomper could probably bring himself to eat the mute ones as he wouldn't understand them.
Also, he can eat fish no doubt. (Spinosaurus and Baryonyx did after all.)
Another thing that so few mention is why Chomper would want to live away from his parents if Red Claw, Screech, and Thud were to no longer pose a threat to him. I mean, if they died, or were driven out of power, then he and Ruby could just go back home.
Now, Ruby could go back home and come back to the Great Valley as an adult no problem. As for Chomper, everyone forgets another thing about carnivores, they, in reality, don't give a rip whether you eat meat or plants, they might still eat you.
Chomper can eat Belly Draggers and Fast Biters which are smaller than his likely adult form. Trust me, there are ways around the Leaf Eater problem.
What is more problematic is how, if he ever came back to the Great Valley as an adult, how the residents would treat him. We know Littlefoot and the others would treat him good and maybe Mama Flyer too (he did save her life) but I can see others like Topps and Mama Iganuadon being wary still. And likely others may join in that didn't before.
And, the biggest problem of them all isn't even how Leaf Eaters will react to him, it's what he'll do when he wants to get a mate. I mean, what are the odds of him finding a girl who will agree not to hunt Flatteeth? I mean, what if she likes him but cannot get herself to see the Gang of Five as anything other than food?
That situation could put him in a real dilemma, especially if he really loves her. That actually could create loads of conflicts. I mean, what does poor Chomper do if a Sharptooth he loves is attacking Littlefoot and the only way to intervene personally might mean to attack her? Worse yet, what if Littlefoot is about to harm her? Would he turn on his best friend to save her?
Also, even if he gets a female to go along with him and gets to live in the Great Valley, well, what if his kids don't like Flatteeth as friends?
Of course, another problem would be how Littlefoot would view him as he got older. I mean, what if Littlefoot was considering getting married (likely to Ali as there's no other female longnecks his age in LBT) himself? He might recall how his dad lost his mate.
And, it probably won't help if Chomper looks a little like:
(http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss110/wenguin/Sharptooth.png)
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I wonder what Chomper's reaction was when he first saw his parents hunting other dinosaurs. We he like "OMG, what are you doing?! Don't hurt the poor critters!" or was he like "I guess this is normal. OK, am I supposed to do that too?". If it's the latter, I worry about his future. If it's the former, I think he'll never hunt Flatteeth. (Sharpteeth maybe, Flatteeth no.)
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I love Chomper too.
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I love Chomper too.
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(http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss110/wenguin/ChomperandRubyHugging.jpg)
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Trying to get in on the LBT talk a bit more...
Anyway, Chomper is my favorite character in the whole series. Tyrannosaurs are my favorite type of dinosaur.
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As some of you may know Chomper is my favorite lbt character :)
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I've long considered about how I feel about Chomper, him being a carnivorous dinosaur. While I agree it's interesting to have a friend that is of a predatory species, to be honest, Chomper never really grew on me.
I don't dislike Chomper, in fact I do think he is kind of cute. It's just that I never saw a lot of appeal in him, and I just like the original five gang members better. I don't think they need to add another member to the gang.
I did sort of enjoy him as a recurring character, and it would be great to see how Chomper handles being a predator when he grows up. Maybe he could scavenge, or eat fish from water to avoid being tempted to eat Littlefoot and co.
I'm also glad they showed a sharptooth character as more than just a generic "eating machine".
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Chomper is one of my favorite characters because of his naive and friendly personality. He has a nice a role in the Gang and I see him as a well-executed character who single-handedly opened a whole new frontier for fanfiction with the fact that there was more to sharpteeth than killing. I can see that there are people who would like to see the Gang stay as the original five but to be honest, I'm not one of them. Chomper and Ruby as members of the Gang were the best thing out of the series for me. However, I can see what you mean. And yes, there are many people out here who are interested about Chomper's future. :DD
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Chomper as a character is both extremely cute and has some interesting potential if the series continues. I disagree on the notion that Chomper will have to leave the Valley when he grows up. I think that would only happen if Chomper had continued to be treated just like every other Sharptooth and not as a kid who has so far grown to being different from the rest. Most of the adults in the valley seem to be ok with him. The only one who's still cold to him is Threehorn but that guy has his own issues.
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Chomper is my favorite character outside the Gang of Five. My namesake, Gentle Sharptooth is nickname I came up with to describe Chomper. I really think Chomper was a major turning pont for TLBT and so soon after Bluth’s LBT; in the first sequel we go from Original Sharptooth is a demonic monster who kills Little Foot’s mom to Chomper who is raised by Littlefoot and Gang, and we learn the two sharpteeth (Chomper’s parents) are merely looking for their baby, and are not mindless meat eating machines. Chomper is an example of don’t judge a species or race by one encounter. But open your heart and the unthinkable can happen, your enemy becomes your friend.