The Gang of Five
The Land Before Time => General Land Before Time => Topic started by: Malte279 on January 05, 2006, 06:23:10 PM
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Hi!
Somebody in the network54 forum posted something I have been wondering about for a while though I never ever posted it in the forums. Not that I would have been embarrassed to, but I just never thought of posting it.
Do you think that Cera may have sort of a little crush on Littlefoot?
Naturally I'm not thinking of anything of the like certain people did <_< (See after midnight section) but something more harmless.
There are several points that cannot be discredited lightly.
Whenever Littlefoot is getting to know someone Cera is getting very suspicious about that character.
This is most obvious in the cases of Ali and Mo (in the later case she actually admits she was jealous), less so in case of Chomper, Doc, and the rainbowfaces. She doesn't display a similar kind of reservedness against characters such as Tippy (who is mainly dealing with Spike). She doesn't care as much about Spike leaving the Valley (LBT 8) as she does when Littlefoot does (LBT 10).
There may actually be something Cera wouldn't even admit to herself. At least there are some points speaking against the mere idea being just rubbish. I suppose it may be that kind of primary school crush and jealousy many of you may know.
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That is possible, Malte. her jealousy flares up particularly in Ali's case, although I would atrribute it to Littlefoot hanging around with Ali rather with her and the others. Jealous perhaps, that he has found a new friend.
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I can see the points in that arugment and agree that it's possible, but I have to say that I don't see it.
Cera likes routine, and doesn't like anything that would potentially bust up her social circle, because let's face it: Littlefoot leaving or finding a new friend to hang out with impacts their group infinitely more than Spike leaving or finding a new friend.
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Cera tends to be somewhat susceptable to jealous feelings, and we can likely agree that jealousy is Not a key to a healthy relationship, of any status. This can be observed most clearly, as Malte stated, in LBT 9 regarding Mo.
However, if you look at when Ali is First introduced to the Gang in LBT 4, before they are aware of her fear of other species, Cera seems quite content, greeting Ali politely. As it becomes clearer that Ali is afraid, Cera tends to play on Ali's fear by stating that "Threehorns can be VERY scary!" Cera is known to pick on the weaker characteristics of her friends (such as in LBT2 when she called littlefoot scared when he wouldn't go after the egg-nappers), so this action is not necessarily one of hostility. Cera just tends to say (and show) what she thinks, and sometimes she is a tad impulsive :P:
If you look at how Cera and Ali's relationship develops, you can see the acceptance in Cera's behavior. From the moment Cera steps aside to let Ali lie between her and Littlefoot, I think it's safe to say that Cera has lost her negative feelings towards Ali, and there is no sign of jealousy throughout the rest of LBT 4.
The fact that Cera accepts Ali as a good friend, says that she feels that her friends like her for who she is, and she doesn't have to worry about someone else taking her place.
How does this relate to the Cera / Littlefoot crush scenario?
If Cera did have a crush, per se, on Littlefoot, I suspect that she would still show a shimmer of hostility towards Ali, just as you would see in any human relationship. It's not in Cera's character to keep feelings bottled up. I can only think of one example where she sort of tried to:
LBT 7, when the Gang is crossing the vine while searching for Ducky.
Littlefoot: "How are you doing, Cera?"
Cera: *shaking, with a worried voice* "Fine...Doing fine..."
Cera is unskilled at hiding her true feelings, she rarely attempts to, and therefore I don't believe she feels that Ali is of Any threat to her relationship with Littlefoot.
Now, this could mean one of two things:
1) Cera and Littlefoot are on Very good terms, and Cera feels that her bond with littlefoot is special, compared to Ali's bond with him, and Cera has no reason to worry. However, this analysis is very advanced for someone of the age of the Gang. Believe me, I'm 19 and I have trouble working out these things sometimes, lol :P:
2) Cera genuinely feels friendship and warmth towards Littlefoot, but no more. It's hard to define "Crush" at this age, especially in the case of LBT, where different species are involved. In theory, animals of different species do not look at each other as potential mates, or with feeling of physical "attraction." I will admit the LBT series breaks a number of biological rules, such as, well....the dinosaurs never "relieve" themselves, but that's another topic :p
but anyways, some rules still must apply to some extent.
All I can figure, is that the Gang is too young to even know that they "can't" be physically attracted to another species, so they sort of pretend that they can, and do. Hence the potential Cera / Littlefoot crush.
However, when it comes to claims that Cera has regarding her Abilities, that's another story completely (LBT 10 - the rock splitting incident in the Great Valley. Enough said :P:)
Cera will admit when she's Really scared, or Really mad, but when it comes to relatively minor situations, she tends to turn the other cheek towards it, and not admit it to her friends. Her friends, of course, can see right past the stories that Cera pushes onto them, further showing that Cera is weak at concealing her true feelings by masking or lying about them.
However, when she is truly feeling bothered, she's not afraid to come out and say it:
For example, in LBT 2: When they fall into the Mysterious Beyond after chasing the egg-nappers, Cera is very sad, and says to the gang, "I wanna go home."
In summary, Cera is a fairly easy character to read; you can tell what mood she is in, simply by her tone of voice, and her actions. As a result, I conclude that she has no negative feelings for Ali by the end of LBT 4.
The Cera/Littlefoot crush is possible, but I do not feel that there is any real basis for it. It's just sort of a warm feeling that Cera has for Littlefoot, for a number of reasons. Perhaps "crush" simply needs to be defined more clearly. I defined "crush" in this writing as, basically, the beginnings of a realtionship that is on a level seperate from a relationship with anyone else; in short, a closer level.
I will say though, that at some level, Cera feels close to Littlefoot, and I'm sure Littlefoot can return this feeling.
I think I'll stop there :P: MY apologies if this sounds like rambling, or if I have any non-sensical sentences: It's 2:45 in the morning, but I didn't feel like heading off to bed just yet. I think I will now, though. Night folks! Be back soon :D
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There are a bunch of really interesting responses here! :)
First of all I definitely agree on this:
Perhaps "crush" simply needs to be defined more clearly.
Having been accused of exactly what I was not meaning to say in the N54 forum I think it may perhaps be for different realization of that word and maybe my not being a native speaker is playing a trick on me again. The German phrase for "to have a crush on somebody" would be "verknallt sein" and usually it refers only to something very "innocent" that got little (if at all) to do with physical attraction. I'm quite convinced that Littlefoot and the others are way too young for that kind of perception.
We see it from the kindergarten on; very good friends, one of them makes friends with another one, and the first friend will get jealous and reserved towards the new friend for reasons that got nothing to do with that new friend him or herself.
It is probably what you too meant WR when you wrote Cera likes routine, and doesn't like anything that would potentially bust up her social circle
I'm not thoroughly convinced of the difference in importance between Spike and Littlefoot. To us it must appear like that for the camera is mainly on Littlefoot. However, there are no cameras to be seen in the Great Valley and there are relatively frequent occassions when Littlefoot joins his friends who are already playing (LBT 2, LBT 3, LBT 6... there may be more I can't think of right now). He undoubtedly is of major importance and I suppose the general relationship between Cera and Littlefoot (leaving the crush business aside for a moment) is likely to be closer than that of Cera and Spike, but I don't reckon it is as big as the camera's focus on Littlefoot might make us think.
I think you described the whole matter very good action9000. Quite a thorough analysis of Cera's character :)
Cera's first greeting of Ali was indeed relatively friendly and it was Ali who first showed being scared (or should I say racialist) which set Cera against her. Still I always had the impression of a slight reservedness from Cera's side from the very beginning. I need to listen to the English version of LBT 4 again, but in the German her first "Hello Ali" is definitely somewhat cool.
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Well, being one who is more advanced on the subject of love than most people I have met, I can give you much truth to such a relationship.
Now, I have come to understand something with love that I see many of you haven't. Love is NEVER an age thing. You can fall in love with someone at ANY age really. Whether or not you understand or aware of it fully, that's another thing.
They say that when two friends fight, they really care about eachother. This has been proven to be quite true with "the couple" we are talking about here.
We have seen them have argument after argument. (I'd say just about 1 each movie.) Yet, even after all that, they are still the best of friends.
Now, it has come to my attention one little thing when it comes to a love vs. friendship arguement over arguing. Often times, those who are more towards the area of love than that of mere friendship, "I'm sorry" is not said.
Okay, with this piece of information, I can tell you that they haven't apologized for most of their fights. Now, with just this piece of information, I know that a hypershipper of such a couple would say "OMG! THEIR N LUV!" However, I am one who is far more mature than that and likes to look for whatever proff possible there may be to such a case. So, there is indeed more to go on...
Cera indeed seems to care for Littlefoot more than anyone else. In LBT 4, when news of Littlefoot being in danger came from Ali, I noted that Cera took the longest to react to the news. However, the difference was so short, it was hard to tell. Before she accused Ali of lying, Cera had her mouth hung open in great worry. Despite her disbelief in Ali, her worry took over and she went to save Littlefoot.
Now, terms of jealousy.
We once again go to LBT 4 for this. The time Littlefoot spent with Ali she was quite jealous towards. It was only after Ali saved her from Dil that Cera gave her a chance at being a friend. After her history was given to the gang, she was highly accepted by Cera, and no longer seen as a threat to her friendship with Littlefoot.
She indeed got jealous of Littlefoot and Mo's friendship in LBT 9. Now, with LBT 9 now being my fav out of all of them, (Thanks to Mo.) I can tell you one little fact I saw with Cera. She thought that this friendship that Littlefoot had was a threat to her own, thus her jealousy. It was only after Mo was BELIEVED to have died that the jealousy left. (I too thought Mo died the first time I saw it. I was on the verge of crying!)
Now, the other stuff.
It seemed to me that from the beginning, they wanted to be friends. What's a little play fight between two friends? With how often they ran into eachother in the first movie, it just seemed that fate was telling them that they were supposed to become friends.
So, after studying this, I can tell you guys this...
it's true. The rumor you heard Malte is indeed fact. However, them ending up together will not happen. When the time comes, they'll do what's best for eachother. I'm one who highly understands why it won't happen. However, it is one of those shippings that is fun to support while it lasts.
It's a love/hate relationship. They hate eachother one minute and the next, they love eachother. Sadly, because they are two completely different species of dinosaur, they won't end up together. It ends up being this little thing that stops them from being together in the end.
So in conclusion, I believe simply this, it's a love/hate relationship and even though we know that they'll never end up together, they will always love eachother.
This is what I believe, and those beliefs have nearly a zero chance of changing.
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Interesting read guys. :) Just going to say, I've nothing to add.
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Hmm, intresting. I never noticed that before. Perhaps she does have a crush on Littlefoot.
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Yes I've noticed that she always tends to care the most whenever Littlefoot is in danger.
Well there's nothing I can really say right now that isn't already stated :P: Dang and I wanted to sound smart :lol
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Thanks to Malte helpping me have a different view of the song, Eggs, and giving it enough respect to make me want to watch LBT 2 again, I found a few things I had possibly forgotten about.
In LBT 2, as hard as it may be to believe, there were hints for this "couple."
Cera: Call me and Littlefoot a couple again, and you'll regret it!
Okay, Cera! Sorry! -_-
Anyways, as I was saying, there were hints.
The first one I would consider a hint that comes of great interest to me, is after Littlefoot tried to make Chomper eat some green food and failed. He then decides to get some advice from his grandparents. Now, while he's walking away from Chomper, he says this:
"If Cera ever finds out, she'll kill me!"
Now, it is interesting to me that Littlefoot seemed to be most worried about Cera finding out about him taking care of this baby sharptooth. I believe that he knew that this kind of knowledge being given to Cera would jeopradize their current relationship. I have knowen those in love to have quite a worry about certian things getting out that end up having a possiblity of ruining a relationship. So, with him worried about how this would effect their relationship, one can agree that this was a hint.
And of course, there's the quarrel over whether or not Chomper should stay with them. I find it ironic that even though Cera was against Chomper staying, she was willing to look for him and follow along with Littlefoot. Maybe a part of her wanted to make Littlefoot happy, despite her disapproval. I've known one's in love to go along with someone, even when they don't approve of certian things, in an attempt to keep the one they are most attracted to happy. This would definately give a hint on Cera's part.
There is one more, but I don't have the time to post it now.
I'll put it in later. For now, discuss what you think of these hints.
And see more of what your views are for this "couple."
Cera: That's it! *charges towards me.*
:blink: Uh-oh! Gotta go, bye! :wave *runs off*
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"If Cera ever finds out, she'll kill me!"
I had been wondering about that quote for a while, yet I think there is a perfectly harmless explanation for it. Cera made Littlefoot promise he wouldn't tell the grownups anything about their trip to the Mysterious Beyond or the egg they found there. When he went to ask his grandparents for advice I suppose Littlefoot expected to be questioned by them and maybe played with the thought of telling the grownups about it after all (eventually) the situation had changed considerably since his promise to Cera (by the egg turning out to be a sharptooth egg).
As for Cera's conduct towards Chomper, it is rather inconstant, but I suppose that after her hearty welcoming of him his bite did a good deal to turn Chomper against her. Later on she seems to have forgotten (or at least forgiven the bite). I don't think these elements should be overinterpreted.
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Well, isn't my explanation perfectly harmless as well, Malte? :D
Now, time for that final hint.
As you know, there is one point in the movie where the gang runs away from Chomper's parents. Now, during the chase, you will note that Cera stops for a minute and cowers right on top of a stump. The only one to go back for her to save her is Littlefoot. I'm sure those who are familiar with the terms of love can understand why this is a hint and doesn't need a real explanation. What other kind of being in the world would put themselves in harms way to save you? There is no doubt that Littlefoot saved Cera because of how much he cared.
However, I question Cera's behavior. Why she cowered in fear, I do not understand. It just seems out of charcter. Can anyone give a perfectly good explanation on this? :)
Now, to watch LBT 3, and see any more possible hints.
That's right! I plan to watch them all, and find any possible hints.
See ya later. :wave
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The only one to go back for her to save her is Littlefoot. I'm sure those who are familiar with the terms of love can understand why this is a hint and doesn't need a real explanation.
Littlefoot does the same for Spike in LBT 6, Cera does the same for Petrie in LBT 7, Ducky does the same for Spike in the original movie... the list goes on. Of its own I think the scene is not to be taken as a proof for anything.
However, I question Cera's behavior. Why she cowered in fear, I do not understand. It just seems out of charcter. Can anyone give a perfectly good explanation on this?
Cera often acts very brave, but when she actually comes into perilous situations she often seems loose nerves.
Who would blame her? Has anyone here ever been in a perilous situation? I suppose many would not necessarily act sensible in such a situation.
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All right, Malte! You win that one! -_-
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win? <_<
What is this? A competition? Not as far as I'm concerned.
I understand this to be a discussion on the land before time and I certainly don't understand it to be about who distinguishes best but on what the movies show and what to make of it. It is funny that I (who brought the topic up in the first place) seem to argue against the very point I came up with. In fact while I do think that there may be the kind of sand-box love I've described earlier I just don't think that particular point supports the theory. Things can be overinterpreted.
Speaking of overinterpretation by the way I'm sure the very same conservative christians (I'll leave it to everybody's judgement what to make of them) who wrote this article (http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0600/dinosaur.html) on Disney's Dinosaur would be able to write similar stuff on the land before time. It would be fun to read what they would make of the land before time (apart from the fact that Chomper is purple) :lol:
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He meant win the debate as in you made it so that he couldn't disagree with the statement any further.
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Okay, after giving the next post of mine ALOT of thought, I have come to this nice little conclusion on questionable hints in LBT 3.
Now, this is what shippers would call the HINT VIDEO for the Littlefoot & Cera pairing.
Why, you ask?
Well, as we know, Littlefoot was seen as a "bad influence" when he accidently splashed "precious" water on Mr. Threehorn. As such, he forbid Cera to EVER play with Littlefoot again. Cera protested against this, even giving her father a firm "NO!"
This little forbidden to play with Littlefoot thing led up to the point where she ran away. She then secretly met with Littlefoot to solve the water problem.
Cera disobeying her dad for this, shows that she truly cares about the time she spends with Littlefoot. Their friendship is so important to her that she would disobey her dad just to spend time with him.
I can't help but think of LBT 3 as one of the biggest hints ever.
What do you guys think? :)
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Well, as we know, Littlefoot was seen as a "bad influence" when he accidently splashed "precious" water on Mr. Threehorn. As such, he forbid Cera to EVER play with Littlefoot again. Cera protested against this, even giving her father a firm "NO!"
This little forbidden to play with Littlefoot thing led up to the point where she ran away. She then secretly met with Littlefoot to solve the water problem.
Cera disobeying her dad for this, shows that she truly cares about the time she spends with Littlefoot. Their friendship is so important to her that she would disobey her dad just to spend time with him.
I honestly don't blame Cera for being upset with her father when he gave her such strict rules about who she can spend time with, especially when the reasoning wasn't justified. Mr. Threehorn may have thought it to be right, but the Gang and the viewers all know that the desicion to consider Littlefoot as a Bad Influence was irrational. If your family decided it was unacceptable for you to never see or talk to one of your best friends ever again, how would you feel? Cera and Littlefoot have a Long history together, for almost as long as they have been alive.
Cera doesn't like being controlled, and this new rule placed a massive "leash" if you will, on Cera's life. The fact that Littlefoot was often with the rest of the Gang also meant that Cera would also be forbidden from playing with the group as a whole, as well. This severely limits Cera's freedom.
She approaches Littlefoot first because she feels she needs to talk with him directly about how to solve the problem between her and her father. He is the most direct source of the solution, as he was the source of the "problem", to Mr. Threehorn. Logically, after attempting to talk with her father, it makes the most sense for her to talk to Littlefoot first , to resolve the conflict. They decide that if they find water, everything will be good again. Such a task is better suited to a group, so they round up the rest of the gang to help, and the plot continues. Even if Cera didn't head off to find Littlefoot first, I'm sure the gang would have eventually. Large tasks are best handled as a group, and our Gang knows this very well. They would have found some way to have Littlefoot come along, even if Cera didn't choose to meet with him first.
I do not believe that Cera would have reacted much differently, had it been Ducky, Spike or Petrie who splashed Mr. Threehorn. Of course, we can't say for sure, but if Cera had been forbidden from playing with any of them, I cna almost guarantee, from knowing Cera's character, that she would feel resentful about the amount of limitation her father had put on her life, and that she would want to do something about it. The fact that it was Littlefoot who splashed Mr. Threehorn, and not another member of the gang, is little more than coincidence. Cera's reaction would have been similar, no matter which one of her friends she was forced to abandon.
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Quite true.
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I think that there may be some evidence to the Cera/Littlefoot thing in the scene for "Bestest Friends." For one thing, Cera seems even sadder than the others when she thinks she may have to say goodbye, and then the way she puts her cheek on Littlefoot's seems like she may really like him. Of course, this could all just be wishful thinking on my part. :^.^:, since I :wub: this pairing...
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No, not again! :P: *summons Malte279 for the usual reply*
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I think I already said something like this, but I do believe that they are in love, but it's more like brother/sister love in my opinion. They're too young to have anything else number one, and when they get old enough to have those other types of...relations, they'll most likely go in the path of what's natural for them (their own species for one!). Assuming that they never meet anyone else of their kind when they get older, perhaps some innocent experimentation might take place like children so often do, but as for a real romantic relationship coming of these two, no. I doubt we'll ever see any of this in the movies. You see how innocently Tria and Topsy's relationship is taken even. It is all in all a childrens film and we're not gonna see some of this of any kind. As for their relationship, I think that Cera is more in love with Littlefoot than he is with her, but just slightly. Remember, as in love I mean just family caring! They fight like brothers and sisters do and they love each other like brothers and sisters do. It's really the best way to describe their relationship because it's so different than any other relationship we've seen in LBT so far.
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No, not again! tongue.gif *summons Malte279 for the usual reply*
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The reply would be less familiar if previous posts would be :rolleyes:
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I don't see it as a crush...More of a well Littlefoot and Cera have known each other the longest really when you think about things, Personally I think Cera WANTS to be Littlefoot's best friend more than the others and when she saw that might of been threatened by Ali she got jealous and such.
Cera admires Littlefoot alot, he has alot of strong personality traits that may be acceptable if he was a three-horn.
But that's just my quota.
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Didn't she seem to get jealous when he called Mo his best friend, or something like that? Don't remember the exact line or phrase he said.
I do agree in what I've seen it does seem she wants to be Littlefoot's best friend, though I do have trouble reading people so may be reading things wrong.
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I think that it isn't a crush YET, but it could develop into one in the future.
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I still think that they are just intimate friends (opposites do attract...). There's no "love" involved, not even the [frequently] forementioned "sandbox love."
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It could be due to the facts they have known each other the longest, compared to the others, and that they are the same basic size. Similar to Ducky and Petrie getting along well since they are about the same size. As some, I think, mentioned before.
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The size thing could be playing as part, because I've seen Ducky give Petrie some unusually affectionate looks before.... :)
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The high degree of jealousy which Cera (unlike Ducky, Petrie, or Spike) shows does make the idea of a kind of "sandbox love" rather plausible while I don't see any point that would contradict the theory. Do you see any Manny Cav?
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Like I said, I think they're really intinate friends. I don't think there is anything like you mentioned between them, but no real proof leaves us to speculation. Your case may well be correct....
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It could be that, also Cera's jealously could come in part, though perhaps not all, from her disliking change and perhaps her basic personality.
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I'm going to put my opinion in, but i will most likely not be as good as everyone else. I think the reason she cares the most in some situations, is because in the first LBT movie, i think littlefoot became her first friend, (i might be wrong on that) and the way he befriended her despite her ways could be why she is always the one who cares most.
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This is a very interesting thesis Mornai, and a plausible one at that. We know that (unlike Littlefoot) Cera had a couple of siblings, but we don't know if she ever got along with them too well. Cera's aggressiveness was probably not limited to her, but shared by her siblings. She may have found recognition, but not the kind of friendship which she found with Littlefoot and the others. We do know that Cera does not really endorse the ways of some Threehorns (that is their racism and their bossy behavior. The most direct statement from Cera is in LBT 5 when she calls other threehorns "too bossy"), and though the may not have been able to pinpoint the problem before she met Littlefoot she may well have felt it anyway. This is of course speculative, but still not unlikely. Of course she mentions her sisters in the original movie in such a manner as if they would provide any company she was looking for, but this may well have been an act of keeping face before that longneck who dared trying to be a friend to her (before she realized that this friendship was something other threehorns did not provide).
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Very good points.
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I believe there is definitely something between them; a sibling relationship. For one thing, they've known each other the longest, meaning they would be closer to each other than anyone else. Littlefoot seems to be Cera's protector. He shows the most concern if something's troubling her, is always available to listen to her (making him her confidant), and pays special attention to her safety in times of danger. She seems to return the favor to him. One example was in LBT 12, when Littlefoot was struggling to pull himself up over the cliff. Even though Ducky tried to help him but is so small (bless her heart for caring so much), Cera is the only reasonably sized one to help him up. I've also noticed Cera plays the part of Littlefoot's advisor, helping him with leadership decisions. Another thing I saw was in LBT 13, when the gangs were singing "How Do You Know?" (sorry 'bout the spoiler, fellow European members :^.^:), Littlefoot appears to rest his cheek on Cera's forehead at the close of the song. Before I ramble on any further, I believe these two love each other, look out for each other and always will share the bond they do :^.^: :^.^:.
(Stops to catch breath) Phew! That's a rap, y'all.
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Cera is the only reasonably sized one to help him up.
Well, of course Spike could've helped. He is supposedly the strongest of the gang (though I seriously doubt that). You've probably not seen the tv series yet. Just follow the link in my signature pic if you haven't. Lots of stuff happens in the tv series. :^.^:
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Oops :slap. I should've been more specific. I was implying Cera was the only reasonably sized one that went on to rescue LF.
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Cera: Call me and Littlefoot a couple again, and you'll regret it!
Okay, Cera! Sorry! -_-
I know this is an old post, but when was that said? :confused
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I know this is an old post, but when was that said? :confused
To my knowledge, never. :p
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I think you guys are overthinking this. What I see in the relationship of Cera and Littlefoot is the clasic cliche of the "I don't need anyone and I'm great and fearless" character (Cera) to be quite fond (and in fear of loosing) of the main character (Littlefoot). So in stead of calling it a crush, I just take it as a part of this cliche
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Maybe. They have shown their 'love' for each other at times throughout the sequals. But you do bring up very good points about how suspicious Cera got when they met Mo. Also, anyone notice how quickly in number 9 when they were having that conversation about Mo after he sacrificed himself to the sharptooth, Cera apoligized to them after Littlefoot said that she was just as fun as Mo? Well, of course their probably the closest of the gang because they've known each other the longest so maybe it's more of sibling relationship rather than a crush. I don't know. I mean, I'm all for Littlefoot and Cera relationships but their different species so, you have to ask yourself how that could work out? But they are very good points Malte279.
Geez, before I was on the forum I never thought about Littlefoot and Cera being together or petrie and Ducky for that matter, not even Littlefoot and Ali. Then I was on fanfiction and discovered it. Funny how GOF and FF.net make you think.
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Huh, since, it seems, I am actually super deeply secret shipper of Littlefoot and Cera, here's question to public :smile :
How do you think: if Cera and Littlefoot were the same species, BUT remaining the same characters and temperaments - would they be a GOOD and LONG-TIMED couple in the future? Don't forget that even since despite they're still best friends, they still have almost absolutely opposite characters, and adult family life is kinda serious here, since LBT world has different types of dinosaurs communities, large catastrophes, migrations, and problems of individual dinosaurs.
What do you think? I'm asking not about pure romance or passion here, but about how life can give couples some troubles and trials.
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Let's see... I ship our favourite flathead with Ali so I need to put that aside for a second :p
If Cera was a longneck (she would be proud of longneck things then I guess? :DD) I think the relationship would be working quite well, however the occasional fight might still happen :p
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whoa, somebody answered. :D
lol, yeah, our flathead is so loveable so he can be involved into all possible LBT friendships and relationships. :lol :lol
Well, are you SURE that these "occasional" argues and fights make relationship "well"? :unsure: I have huge doubt, since I think Cera would never change her character.
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Let's see... I ship our favourite flathead with Ali so I need to put that aside for a second :p
If Cera was a longneck (she would be proud of longneck things then I guess? :DD) I think the relationship would be working quite well, however the occasional fight might still happen :p
I too think Ali is Littlefoot's best match, even if Cera was a longneck, for all the reasons Ducky and Snik just said. I hear that many people do fanfics in which Littlefoot and Cera get romantically involved, which I simply don't understand. They do make good friends, but for a serious relationship, they're NOT compatible at all, not to mention that they're COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SPECIES!!!! :x
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yeah, their characters are opposite...
And because of that - I do not think it would be good as well.
(though without cross-species relationships, there would not be evolution in our planet. :lol )
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Obviously wouldn't be quite as romantic and harmonic as the LF/Ali couple but... I can imagine it working out if they're the same species :p
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yeah, their characters are opposite...
And because of that - I do not think it would be good as well.
(though without cross-species relationships, there would not be evolution in our planet. :lol )
Yeah but those cross-species relations aren't between species as different as an Apatosaurus and a Triceratops. The species have to be very similar in order for a hybrid to be biologically possible (e.g. horse/donkey, wolf/dog, lion/tiger, etc), so an Apatosaurus/Triceratops hybrid wouldn't be possible.
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A Longneck with three horns and a frill sure would look... uhh :lol:
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A Longneck with three horns and a frill sure would look... uhh :lol:
I'd have to agree. At least we have the laws of nature to prevent that. Even if some some mad scientist tried to make a test-tube baby with an Apatosaurus sperm and a Triceratops egg, it wouldn't work.
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At least we have the laws of nature to prevent that. Even if some some mad scientist tried to make a test-tube baby with an Apatosaurus sperm and a Triceratops egg, it wouldn't work.
you know what evolution is? How we got modern animals? No mad science at all.
btw, it reminds me about very old joke I read somewhere, where some guy commented DuckyxPetrie ship, he/she said something like "Now we know how we got DUCKS. XD"
But it's long away from my first question. Though yeah, I don't think it would be good couple too. Alas.
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Good Lord, who bumped the 500 year old thread? This thread started out (back in the cretaceous era) as being about an innocent crush. Now we're talking about weird hybrid offspring between two entirely biologically incompatible species. :p I thought the old board used to lock old topics after a period of time so they couldn't be bumped like this? Maybe not...
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Good Lord, who bumped the 500 year old thread? This thread started out (back in the cretaceous era) as being about an innocent crush. Now we're talking about weird hybrid offspring between two entirely biologically incompatible species. :p I thought the old board used to lock old topics after a period of time so they couldn't be bumped like this? Maybe not...
No, we generally encourage posting in an existing topic if one exists for the subject in question. Though, admittedly, if a topic is very old then it will sometimes be overlooked by people searching for a topic, and a new topic will be created concerning the same thing, which is perfectly alright in that instance.
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Good Lord, who bumped the 500 year old thread? This thread started out (back in the cretaceous era) as being about an innocent crush. Now we're talking about weird hybrid offspring between two entirely biologically incompatible species. :p I thought the old board used to lock old topics after a period of time so they couldn't be bumped like this? Maybe not...
It looks like Snik bumped it.
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The interpretation of Cera's jealousy could go either way but I lean toward platonic. I'm under the impression Cera sometimes sees getting a new friend means replacing a old one while Littlefoot and the others see a new friend as a addition that widens the circle. However she complains, she dearly values her bond with the gang and doesn't want it to be endangered. Once she realizes the likes of Ali and Mo are additions to the group rather than replacing anyone, she cools and warms up to these new bonds.
Of course, Cera crushing on Littlefoot can be possible, in the canon or at any future point in their lives. Elsie thought Grandpa Longneck was quite fetching, so crushes between species is a thing, even if she resigns their different types means nothing would come from it (Though strangely, she either doesn't know or isn't concerned he already having a mate means nothing would come from it.). Though in a wide world as big as theirs, the chances are there were a few dinosaurs of different types who tried to couple up and the gang have been shattering social mores since their friendship began. Not saying those social mores wouldn't give them pause, but I wouldn't be surprised if a few of their generation, who are used to mixed-species friendships, wouldn't at least be curious enough to experiment with a mixed-species romance.
So if Cera and Littlefoot do have crushes on each other, they might try it out. There will be struggles. The dating process in the ideal is already complicated enough, with figuring out if you enjoy being together, can get along, and what exactly this romance thing entails. Any prejudices they might deal with might add further wrenches, since they might stick together out of stubbornness and stifle conflicts or arguments to show their bond can work. This can be a problem, since learning how to navigate conflicts and arguments and settle them in a healthy manner is part of the dating process and Cera and Littlefoot would especially need to learn that. And there's the fact that sometimes oops, this isn't who they want to spend the rest of their life with after all or the flame goes out, and the pair would have to figure out what their bond, if any, would be from there. This is especially the case for teenage relationships. Not saying it couldn't work out, if they can work out the conflicts of their friendship, they might do so as a couple and it might be what they want after all, screw social mores. But there will be complications.
As for having children - I don't think they would be able to do so but a) not all couples want children, even if they might get along with them and b) they could adopt if the opportunity strikes.
Though if it is successful and/or if others do the same, I can picture some outside communities tutting disapprovingly, thinking the Great Valley has become more of a "free love interspecies mixing hippie commune" than they already believe it is (Yes, I know "hippie" and "commune" are probably not in their vocabulary, but I couldn't think of their equivalent for those words, so there you go).
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As always, you have great points, Dave. However, I wouldn't interpret Elsie's comments about grandpa as involving any real crush or any indicators about cross-race relationships. I prefer to see her remarks as a part of her sense of humor or some very eccentric courtesy. As for Cera and Littlefoot becoming mates, I deem it rather unlikely. They are very different persons and even if they'd have a crush, I doubt it'd last. Both of them are clever enough to understand there are far better matches (Littlefoot already has one) and the duo have probably a lot of love and respect to their families and I see them as willing to have children later on. Even if they were of the same kind, I don't see them as probable mates because of their deep contrasts.
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You might be right in the Doylist sense that's what the creators assumed and likely intended. But Watsonian-wise, you don't always know at their age. I vaguely assumed I was straight and would marry and have kids like everyone else because that was the only option presented to kids like me. However, as I came into my teenage years, I found out I was gay and have no plans to pursue having a spouse or kids. Sometimes who you really are and what you really want strikes you later, and that might be the case for Littlefoot and Cera, whatever that might be. If his sexuality and/or preferences are different, I could see Littlefoot initially going along with usual romance expectations, to make his grandparents happy, though that might cause conflict later on since I can't see him happy not being true to himself. If Cera was in that position, she might tolerate any dates or dodge the issue with her parents. Probably put off telling them altogether, because however Cera and her father like being direct, they could sure like dodging conflicts or uncomfortable issues.
Anyway, back to Cera probably crushing on Littlefoot, either now or at some point: because they are childhood friends, it might be happening or will happen. However, because they are childhood friends, that might put a damper on that. There have been studies and observations done that show if people are friends from childhood with someone who identifies as a gender they are attracted to, being around them that long could rob any romantic spark or interest in both participants. Even if species weren't a issue, the gang being together for so long day to day might mean by the time they get interested in romance, there would be no spark or interest for them to date one another anyway.
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Well, these issues have never been too close to me so I cannot really say how one feels about romance or attractiveness in real life. However, I'm not sure if Littlefoot would even see Cera as a potential love interest due to their physical differences (or vice versa). Those differences are more profound than they can ever be with humans so it's impossible to say whether cross-race romance could be a thing with humanized dinosaurs. At least it's improbable that both of them would would be willing to form such a relationship, imo. Your last point is a good one, also, because it could be a bit odd for them to see each other as more than friends after all this time. Of course, their futures can hold surprises but overall, I think chances are highly stacked against the probability of the two becoming a couple.
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You're right the differences between species are far different from the ones between race (Not least because all humans are the same species and race is a social construct we made up for various reasons, so I've seen some caution against comparing it with [still fictional because we haven't met aliens yet] cross-species relations). That would lead to conflict if any romance between species transpires, with issues like what's considered natural and proper and continuing on the family line. Again, I don't ship Cera and Littlefoot but I'm nevertheless optimistic cross-species romances can happen and work out and that anyone with those kind of ships needn't be held back by the species part to continue shipping (In fact, it could be a resource for interesting conflict). I'm also optimistic because I have one or two ships that are also cross-species but shh. ;)
Though this Littlefoot/Cera talk does make me think of a amusing scene I vaguely have planned for a fic, where Cera and Littlefoot are teenagers and Cera is struggling with her own romance issues. She abruptly asks, "You're not in love with me, are you?"
"No," Littlefoot replies, taken aback.
"Good. Don't want to have to deal with that kind of drama," Cera says, turning away.
And Littlefoot is baffled but shakes his head in amusement.