The Gang of Five
The Land Before Time => General Land Before Time => Topic started by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 17, 2012, 03:58:26 PM
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Is it just me or do a lot of people seem to dislike or underate "Good Inside"? For example, Alicloud called it the "damp squid" among the otherwise good songs of 7.
I don't see it as being terrible. I think it was a very sweet, cute number that was both ejoyable and had a really good message---we're not all entirely bad or good. It's very much like "The Lesson", but whereas there it's understandable why people would dislike it---cause Thicknose isn't a good singer---this one isn't as much.
It was also quite inoffensive---one of the most inoffesive numbers the gag had sung in a while. It lacked the pure stupidity of "lone dinosaur", wasn't nearly as effective as "Bad Luck" (which is a near killer number, I think ;) ) and wasn't freaky and disgusting and unbearable to listen to, like "Friends for dinner". Sure, it didn't live up to the songs of the earlier sequels, like "It takes all sorts" and "Kids like us", both of which come from a time that at this point the series couldn't go back to. But for what it was, it was great. The problem is people regard the other songs of 7, particularly "Very Important Creauture", to highly to give this one any extra thought. If it was sandwhiched between, say, "Friends for dinner" and "Imaginary Friends", which I consider two of the sickest songs in the series, yeah, it may get the recognition I would have thought it would. As it is, it's still a good number, just included between the wrong sort of songs.
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The problem is people regard the other songs of 7, particularly "Very Important Creauture", to highly to give this one any extra thought.
How are you certain of that?
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Well, I'm not. But from what I can tell...
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Just because someone likes Very Important Creature but hates Good Inside doesn't mean they care too much about the first song to give the second song a chance.
I'm sure that the people here you are referring to have given the song a chance; they just don't like it as much as you do.
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Here are some opinions of it:
But Good Inside honestly did nothing for me. It just went into old, generic LBT-song territory.
Only downsides were the twist ending, which neat as it was, just seem ridiculous (coming form me, that's saying something.), and "Good Inside", the damp squib among otherwise pretty good songs.
7: Good Inside. Such a shame, because the other 2 songs were so good in this film! It just seemed like a weak entry. I personally like the songs with strength and feeling, and they could have easily made the point of this song with a speech of some sort and moved on.
Like I said, it's not nearly as effective as "Bad Luck", or as good the first 2 songs of 5, and certainly not the stuff from the Roy Allan Smith era, but it's has a good message to it, which the cheesy "Lone Dinosaur" didn't, and it's far too obvious to even mention again that it takes down the truly awful "Friends for dinner" :x
In short, it was a very sweet, memorable tune that I remembered from 7, cause of the classic "heaven ring" moment. ;)
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I like Very Important Creature right now because it's Michael York's second singing role in thirty years, the first being from a film where he was playing a pop star...so naturally, he had to do a singing role (and the song was about India, where the movie took place). And boy, was he pretty great. It's not the song itself, it's just that the actor is so great to listen to. It was an ego song. Not up to par of "World's Greatest Criminal Mind" from Great Mouse Detective.
Good Inside was too preachy for me. And I challenge Ducky to say that about some of the villains of Doctor Who. Particularly Daleks. Who had all potential "goodness" bred right out of their genes. The only "good" thing they did was inadvertently create alliances against them. It's not the best message. There are some things, I think, that can't have any good in them.
Pterano's a good excuse because he's not totally unfeeling. He has guilt, he has a desire to correct what he did wrong (and goes about it the wrong way), and tries to express himself as not wanting to do any harm to anyone (but goes about it the wrong way).
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And Sierra and Rinkus? And Sharptooth? And Ichy?
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Rinkus and Sierra weren't quite as developed as Pterano in my eyes. They seemed to be far greedier and far, far more selfish with no good intentions (or at least the AIM for good intentions).
Sharptooth and Icky were acting on predatorial instinct, the need to live, therefore, in my eyes, are out of the "good v. bad" debate...just predators trying to survive. Icky, however, seems to be the better of the two because of his ability to speak, or at least so that the main characters can understand him.
"Greed" is not typically we think of as "truely animal", but a "human" nature, so that would make them less "good" than Icky or the Sharptooth.
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Good Inside was too preachy for me.
That sums up my take on Good inside pretty well. A song can be preachy and still acceptable (e.g. I found "Kids like us" quite okay in spite of the fact that it was definitely preachy as well). I think the tune of "Good inside" didn't really match the message. I think one could have added all kind of lyrics with all kind of messages to that tune because it was so "neutral".
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I don't hate "good inside". I just think it is forgettable. And too preachy.
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What do you mean by "preachy"?
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So, everyone hates it cause it has a really nice message, yet everyone likes "It Takes All Sorts"? Don't get me wrong, I love "It Takes All Sorts" but if that's the reason everyone hates this song they're being a bit hypocritical...
Given it's not quite as impressive as "All Sorts", or as beautiful as "Kids Like Us", but should that make it hated?
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I looked at the lyrics to Good Inside and I can see why it's considered preachy. The message of the song is not all that good in my opinion. Instead, I'd say it's more along the lines of awful. It's trying to deliver the message that "everybody has a lot of good" and "everybody wants to do the right thing". This is far from the truth. The movie was teaching the wrong message with this song, and trying to drill into people's minds, especially kids, that even the nastiest of people want to do the right thing/have a lot of good in them, which again isn't true.
So while the song may seem to have a good message, upon looking at the lyrics, it actually has a bad message when you really think about it. People are diverse, and this song seems to fail to make that clear.
So yeah, I can see why the song is considered preachy and may not be the most well-liked among the LBT songs. Its overall message is not a good one to teach to kids. If Ducky and Petrie had sung about how "some people" are good and such, that's one thing. But to say that everyone is like that is very inaccurate, and again ignores just how diverse people are.
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I also noticed Ducky said right before the song, "He is not as mean as the other flyers, no no" like she knows Rinkus and Sierra are completely one-sided...which goes against what she said in the song. :huh:
Still, it was a cute, fun song that was perfect for someone who just wanted a nice, old fashioned time out of LBT, and wasn't as god-awful as "Friends for dinner" or nightmarish like "Imaginary friend", both of which were big-lipped alligator songs because they were so pointless---the former was actually trying to make light of something horrifying and was a disgrace to movie 5's previous songs.
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Personally, I can like all the songs of the series, even some of the XIII ones (somewhat. SOMEWHAT...), but I find nothing wrong with Good Inside. The Very Important Creature I like, but I almost never CONSIDERED it till I watched LBTVII a month ago. I mean it's good, it's just not one that especially stood out to me. The "Beyond the Mysterious Beyond" is the one that stuck out most of all the movies.
Conversely, I think Imaginary Friends and Friends for Dinner are both funny XD. I mean, think about how much it gets into your head. You can't get it out lol!
But some of the songs on LBT 2 just felt like "neext" when I watched them again. I think it's they just put them too close together. I still like them though.
LTB music rocks! Be it the songs by Michele Brourman and Amanda McBroom (etc), or the epic soundtrack by Michael Tavera. :smile
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I kind of like Good Inside. In my opinion, it's just as good as the other songs in VII. But it's not one of my faves, though.
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^"Beyond the Mysterious Beyond" is my personal favorite LBT out of every movie/TV episode. I think people just overlook it because the least favorite characters sing it, as opposed to "VIC" where a fan favorite sings instead.
I also thought "Good Inside" was a decent song. Sure it was preachy, but this is conveyor-belt animated sequels, the least you can hope for is a song that doesn't hurt to listen to. As every animated film Nostalgia Critic reviews shows, that's hardly a given.
I'm with Bruton. The song is not bad, its not even neutral. I'd give it a 6 out of ten because I didn't want to fast-forward through it the first time I heard it.
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When I first watched this movie as a kid, I didn't really pay attention to the lyrics or the message it gave. Now that I'm older, I'm a littler wiser and actually heard the message, and I'm with DH. I don't agree with it at all. "Everybody has a little good inside them..." What about terrorists? Do they have any good inside of them? What about people like Hitler, Saddam Husein, or Osama Bin Laden? Did any of them have any good inside of them? I really don't think so.
Point being, some people are just naturally bad, or they get to a point where there is nothing good in them left. I think it's wrong to tell kids that EVERY SINGLE person in the world has some "good" in them, because they eventually learn that there are some horrible people in the world that we have to deal with.
Apart from that, I just really didn't like the overall tune of the song. I don't know why, it just didn't appeal to me that much.
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When I first watched this movie as a kid, I didn't really pay attention to the lyrics or the message it gave. Now that I'm older, I'm a littler wiser and actually heard the message, and I'm with DH. I don't agree with it at all. "Everybody has a little good inside them..." What about terrorists? Do they have any good inside of them? What about people like Hitler, Saddam Husein, or Osama Bin Laden? Did any of them have any good inside of them? I really don't think so.
Point being, some people are just naturally bad, or they get to a point where there is nothing good in them left. I think it's wrong to tell kids that EVERY SINGLE person in the world has some "good" in them, because they eventually learn that there are some horrible people in the world that we have to deal with.
Apart from that, I just really didn't like the overall tune of the song. I don't know why, it just didn't appeal to me that much.
Here, here on all of that!
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I wouldn't have a problem with the song if they just said "some people" instead of "everyone". But because of the wording, I do feel the message of the song is bad to teach children.
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However, people are not saying on the day they are born that they will be terrorists, rapists, killers, etc. It's the ENVIRONMENT they are raised in, not the way they are born.
To say not everyone is good inside is basically saying people are either born bad or born good and nothing can be done about it. Everybody is in fact good inside, so I find no offense in the song itself, but rather the negative reaction it is receiving from fans.
What if the song was about everybody being bad inside? Because we're all mortal beings, we all have bad in us as well. People would have a fit hearing a song like that, though. Why is there a double-standard going on?
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I agree with what CT said. I think that there is the potential to be both good and bad in every person, and the decisions people make determine whether we see them as good or bad.
Though I think we might be treading dangerous waters on this topic.
About the song, I don't really care for it, but I don't hate it. Usually I only judge songs based on their melody because I don't really listen to the lyrics that much.
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...I don't see anywhere above that it was said that it was the way they were born at all. :unsure:
Environment can play a large factor in a person's life, but people can still choose to rise above circumstances, even truly horrific ones, just like they can choose to wallow in petty difficulties. There's still a level of choice involved.
The song isn't problematic because it talks about everyone being good vs. everyone being bad. The song is problematic because it uses an absolute to describe a much more complicated issue, which can't be summed up that simply. They could have made a song that talked about how "everybody makes mistakes" or something to that effect, which could have been a lot more balanced, accurate, and safe.
Everyone has the potential and the ability to do the right thing and to do good by others, but some choose to squash that potential. Even to say that "everybody [has the potential to be] good inside..." is dangerously misleading, because it leaves out the fact that "...some people choose not to be".
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I still have to disagree. The song's message still seems problematic to me as it's too vague. From what I recall, nowhere in the song did they even talk about "good vs bad"; it only talks about how everyone has a lot of good and want to do the right thing, which is not true and doesn't take into account diversity. It ignores that some people can be downright nasty. The song isn't about the potentiality of someone being good; it just flat out says that "everybody has a lot of good" and "everybody wants to do the right thing".
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I may have mispoke a little in my post. I agree that nobody is really born bad, but in most cases bad people become bad at a certain point in their life, and then they lose all the good inside of them.
I just don't like how the song tries to tell kids that every person in the world has good inside of them, because that's not the case.
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The song has a nice tune to it, but I'll tell you right now not everyone has good inside of them and I can name a long list of people that had more hate then good.
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I think I see the point you all are making now; it is definitely not a good thing to tell little kids that every mass-murderer just needs a big hug to bring out the "good inside" them.
I just hope that I'm not offending anyone, because that is not my intent. :unsure:
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Yeah I know the meaning behind the song was horrible and bad. Even good people don't have good inside of them. No one has good inside of them. It's sending a very wrong message to the kids. And it;s kind of a horrible song but I still listen to it when I can. It's very bland and very preachy. Everyone no matter how good a person seems to you they're still rotten and very bad,
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Everyone no matter how good a person seems to you they're still rotten and very bad,
^ Who? I don't think anyone else said what you seem to interpret into somebody's statement.
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I actually liked Good Inside when I first saw the LBT 7 when I was a kid.
Also re-watching it now Petrie's line "But it's juuuuust pretendly!" cracks me up! XD
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I don't know why people wouldn't like this song. Some of the opinions having been uttered earlier in this thread aren't comprehensible. Relax, guys, as a youngling, you don't really pay any attention to the message of movies, songs etc. anyway.
I'm working on a redo of my opinions of all songs so the reasoning of my opinion of "Good Inside" can be read there once I'm finished.
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While the song's message seems a bit overly dramatic, I think it still rings true. Remember how Petrie said "See Pterano act bad, but he still good... someplace inside." People change in different ways throughout their whole lives. In the song, before, and after, one could also attribute the 'messages' of the song to each character: Ducky, the optimistic, didn't lose all faith; Petrie, Pterano's grandson(?), didn't want to think his uncle was unwaveringly bad (which he wasn't), and Cera was firm in her views that everyone has a strong dark side to 'em.
I think some people might be forgetting the 'inside' part lol. It's not "Everybody is good" or "everybody is good sometimes" but "everybody has good inside." Seemingly, the ability and history to be good in some way. I think we should remember even the worst of people still have a soul :). I guess the song should have mentioned HOW much good inside and how often it is used. Because even though Hitler was married (and had kids?) and Stalin created (Edit SOME) beneficial reforms, they were still pretty bad and I don't think ever changed after a point. I guess it might depend on the person's point of life and record :o? Dunno!