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Ducky is always called guillible

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Ducky has always been called gullible. It's been one of the usual words to describe her since I can remember, and I've always agreed with it. Yet, just now I've been thinking about that, and I cant think of many times when she's been portryed as guillible.

Several times, the whole gang has been tricked or assumed something incorrectly (Cera, not Littlefoot would lead thm to the Great valley, Chomper's egg was Ducky's sister, Doc was the Lone Dinosaur) but I can't find an example of when Ducky alone was tricked into beleving something.

Actually, when Littlefoot mentions seeing a Stone of Cold Fire, and asks his friend if they believe him, Ducky is the first to remind him that stones can be cold or on fire, but not both.

There are examples of apparent guillibility added for humor's sake (For example, "It doesn't look like a tree." "It doesn't smell like a tree." "It doesn't feel like a tree." [[T-rex starts starts standing up and roars]] Ducky:"and it does not sound like a tree, no no no") but the other characters say things like this occasionally, and guillibility usually implies that one is trustworthy, not merely unobservant.

Petrie, on the other hand, openly admits his guillibility ("but me believe anything," LBT7.) He also proves it when he believes everything Pterano says (Ducky, and the other three, didn't seem to believe him at all.)

So, what's everyone's opinion on this? And can anyone find any counter-examples?


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I do not think Ducky is gullible.  Some may label her as such since they may need to label one of the gang as the gullible one and think her personality may seem like that based on some of her dialog.  Of the gang Petrie seems the most likely to be that.  Though he isn't always.  Some may also forget that Ducky is about the same age as the others and partially think her being one of the smallest means she is the youngest or one of the youngest.


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I agree that gullible is probably not the correct term for what the authors of those lines probably meant to say. Ducky is one of those who will always see (and try to see) the best in characters many others would discard lightly. And she seems to be more willing than many others to forgive mistakes.
In spite of being Pterano's "victim" in LBT 7 she comforts Petrie by pointing out he was not as bad as the other flyers (good inside). Unless I am very mistaken Ducky is the first to join Littlefoot (taking a seat on his head) during the song "Kids like us". In LBT 8 she (of course) is the first to set out after Spike after for once she had been angry with him for more than a few moments. She also is the first after Littlefoot to welcome Chomper to their group in LBT 2 (though the others immediately follow her example). In general Ducky is usually more open and welcoming to new characters than Cera, or Petrie. Sometimes she asks questions or make statements which seem a little naive, but however we want to call her prominent traits, gullible seems to be the wrong term.

In general they seem to be kind of careless with their terms in official character descriptions. I have repeatedly seen Ali being described as shy (an assumption certainly based on her racialist motivated fear of Cera and the others), but how shy can a longneck be that baits Littlefoot's tail at the very first contact?


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They often use wrong terms and words it seems.  Ali is not shy.  A better term was during the 4th movie, feels uneasy and is unsure of non longnecks, or something like that.  By the episode she is in she has totally lost that, and likely before the end of the 4th movie.


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Yeah, I remember the Thread on Ali and her "shyness." That was actually what prompted me to open this discussion.


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Quote from: Malte279,Jan 30 2008 on  03:27 AM
I agree that gullible is probably not the correct term for what the authors of those lines probably meant to say. Ducky is one of those who will always see (and try to see) the best in characters many others would discard lightly. And she seems to be more willing than many others to forgive mistakes.
In spite of being Pterano's "victim" in LBT 7 she comforts Petrie by pointing out he was not as bad as the other flyers (good inside). Unless I am very mistaken Ducky is the first to join Littlefoot (taking a seat on his head) during the song "Kids like us". In LBT 8 she (of course) is the first to set out after Spike after for once she had been angry with him for more than a few moments. She also is the first after Littlefoot to welcome Chomper to their group in LBT 2 (though the others immediately follow her example). In general Ducky is usually more open and welcoming to new characters than Cera, or Petrie. Sometimes she asks questions or make statements which seem a little naive, but however we want to call her prominent traits, gullible seems to be the wrong term.

In general they seem to be kind of careless with their terms in official character descriptions. I have repeatedly seen Ali being described as shy (an assumption certainly based on her racialist motivated fear of Cera and the others), but how shy can a longneck be that baits Littlefoot's tail at the very first contact?
True. Ali, doesn't seem shy around Littlefoot but around the other non-Longnecks, she seems shy probably because she's uncomfortable around them.

OT: "racialist" is the incorrect term here, it should be "racist" or better specieist.

I think Ducky is just more willing to forgive than the others. Gullible... I think it's Petrie.


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OT: "racialist" is the incorrect term here, it should be "racist" or better specieist.
Thank you very much for the correction. Such corrections are really helping me a lot. My English is good, but not perfect and I really appreciate if people help me to improve :yes
Here is a case where all my dictionaries are failing me. Can you tell me the difference between racism and racialism?  
I had used the term racialism instead of racism as I thought the term might not be quite as strong as racism or emphasize a feeling of the own superiority more than a feeling of somebody elses' inferiority (I don't think Ali thought much about other species before meeting Cera and the others).
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I think Ducky is just more willing to forgive than the others. Gullible... I think it's Petrie.
He almost claims to be gullible in LBT 7 and comes across as rather superstitious in one of the very few TV episodes I have seen yet as well. Then again Petrie is also one of the most skeptic (excepting Cera perhaps) about the legend of the lone dinosaur which might be a slight exception to his usual gullibility.


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"Racialism" is the belief that different races are more or less skilled at different things (For example, people or Race A are better workers than people of Race B), while Racism is the belief that such a difference makes one race better than the other. A racialist merely acknowledges the difference, a racist uses the difference to make one race appear better.


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The target audience can probably relate to "shy" better than "uncomfortable" so that's what the website designers chose. ^^ We can write whatever we like on our own fansites made for the more adult LBT fan.


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Quote from: Malte279,Jan 30 2008 on  04:43 PM
Here is a case where all my dictionaries are failing me. Can you tell me the difference between racism and racialism?  
I had used the term racialism instead of racism as I thought the term might not be quite as strong as racism or emphasize a feeling of the own superiority more than a feeling of somebody elses' inferiority (I don't think Ali thought much about other species before meeting Cera and the others).
 
RaciSM is the discrimination of one race by another.

RaciALISM is the belief in the existance and significance of racial categories BUT not always in a hierarchy.

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Thank you Serris, now I get it :yes
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The target audience can probably relate to "shy" better than "uncomfortable" so that's what the website designers chose.
And I can hear the parents screaming upon reading "Littlefoot befriends Ali, a racist young longneck who..." :lol

I guess their had their reasons to choose unfitting terms such as shy or gullible over long winded but more accurate descriptions or provocative terms.


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I guess they wanted to use short easy to understand terms perhaps that they thought younger kids may understand.  That or they assigned the job to someone who just wanted to get the job over quick and get on to the next job.


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In all honesty, I've never seen Ducky as gullible. She actually seems like the one with the most sense (well to me at least :p) of the gang.


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Quote from: LBTDiclonius,Dec 30 2010 on  08:28 PM
In all honesty, I've never seen Ducky as gullible. She actually seems like the one with the most sense (well to me at least :p) of the gang.
I totally agree :exactly.  It seems common to stereotype a nice or do-good person as gullible, although it's definitely far from the truth.  I really see her as much smarter than some believe she is.  She's just humble and does not brag much about her accomplishments :).



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By the episode she is in she has totally lost that, and likely before the end of the 4th movie.

Wait...I thought it was made clear she had totally lost that before the end of the 4th movie...but I'm getting off topic