The Gang of Five
The Land Before Time => 1988 Theatrical Release => Topic started by: Cyberlizard on August 11, 2006, 03:01:45 PM
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Does anybody here know that Judith Barsi, the girl who played the voice of Ducky in the original Lanb Before Time died when she was just 10 years old? It was the most tragic thing I have ever heard of. :( :angry: :( :angry: :( A father shooting his own daughter in the head! :mad :mad :mad :mad Judith Barsi has been abused by her alcoholic, psycho father since she was eight years old because he was jealous of her fame. One time before She and her mother left for the Bahamas to film Jaws 4, he put a meat cleaver to her throat and threatened to kill her and her mother if they never came back! :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: Here's the full story. http://www.judithbarsi.com/ (http://www.judithbarsi.com/) I'll never look at the Land Before Time the same again after finding out about this young little actress's tragic death. :(
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This topic has come up at least a couple of times on this board. One of them is found Here:
http://z7.invisionfree.com/thegangoffive/i...p?showtopic=892 (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=766)
But yes, it is sad, indeed. :(
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Oh yeah, that's been known among the people here and on other LBT boards for quite some time. I shudder when I think about it.
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Really it is awfull if children become victims to such horrible crimes. It happens every day. Even with a father being the murderer this is not a unique case. Yet through the land before time I felt more of a connection to the horrible events which probably caused my strong reaction which I mentioned in this thread (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=443).
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Judith Barsi's death is indeed a tragic one. I, along with others, have known about this information for some time.
I can't help but feel pain in my heart for what she had to go through. I feel that NO child should go through what Judith did. What kind of sicko parent would kill their own flesh and blood?
There was a time that I wanted to make a fanfic documentary on Judith, but all things on such a production never got past the first chapter. I am in severe writer's block with it. It doesn't seem it will end any time soon, so I'm sorry to say that it will never appear. :(
Well, I've lost things to say at this point. Maybe I can finish later.
Well, See ya later. :^.^:
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send me everything you've got on your Judith Barsi project, I might to be able to to keep it going if you're not going to finish it.
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send me everything you've got on your Judith Barsi project, I might to be able to to keep it going if you're not going to finish it.
I'm afraid that I got in such a slump over the writer's block thing that I ended up erasing it from my computer. (There are several stories as to which I have done this.)
Though I will give you what the basic idea of the first chapter was going to be. The basic idea for the first chapter was Judith getting discovered and being put into that commerical that started her carrer as an actor.
I had the whole basic plot of the story, but the words just never came. :(
So, in the end, I gave up on it. :cry
Though if you like, I can give you what the basic plot was going to be for each chapter. :^.^:
If you like, we can continue discussing this over PM or e-mail. (Your choice.)
Well, I'll see ya later. :^.^:
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Does anybody here know that Judith Barsi, the girl who played the voice of Ducky in the original Lanb Before Time died when she was just 10 years old? It was the most tragic thing I have ever heard of. A father shooting his own daughter in the head! Judith Barsi has been abused by her alcoholic, psycho father since she was eight years old because he was jealous of her fame.
I hope that assholic savage is rotting in jail for eternity.
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No, he doesn't. After he shot his wife and Judith he went into the garage and shot himself.
From what I read his probably motive for this horrible murders was that he permanently feared his wife would leave him and take her daughter with her. She would have had every reason to do so, as her alcoholic husband threatened her and Judith all the time telling them he would kill them if they tried to leave. At one point he held a knife to Judith's throat. Nobody took these signs serious enough :cry2
I feel quite upset when I think about how poor Judith must have felt in reality when she gave Ducky her characteristic, cheerful "yep, yep, yep". :cry
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I mourn every July 25th, the day she was killed. I wear black on that day, no matter what the day is. Except Thursdays. I wear black underneath my regular attire on Thursdays.
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I still cannot believe someone would do such a terrible thing to a sweet girl like her. People in this world can be so f****** stupid sometimes.
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People in this world can be so f****** stupid sometimes. evil all the time.
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True, many can be. Perhaps part of some of the various problems this world has, though not the only source.
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Hello:
What he did was not just evil, it was simply stupid. I cannot really say my real thought on this, because it causes a great deal of impotence. Humanity has such great of potential, but it seems that it also has such great of stupidity without a name.... sorry, it makes me feels too bad.
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How can anyone do something like this. How? I can¥t explain myself. What for a father must I be to do something like that??? I just can feel sad about this. Really really sad :cry
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I doubt that stupidity was the cause for the murder of Judith Barsi. Stupidity however annoying it can be, is not really a malice. There is evidence that Judith Barsi's father had a paranoid fear that his wife and his daughter might leave him (a fear to which he may have given substance by his attitude to his wife and daughter).
Except Thursdays. I wear black underneath my regular attire on Thursdays.
Is there a rule against wearing black on Thursdays?
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Hello:
Nope, it wasn't stupidity, it is a bit of hard to me to explain my thoughts on that, that's all. It was something that should never happen, but it did, and I hope it will never happen again, but we can never know.
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Becoming an abusive, alcohol addicted loster is always stupid. Yes, I would say that Barsi's dad was a complete dumbass.
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I never said he wasn't. But stupidity is not the cause for intentional murders. I would go so far as to say that I find a murder out of stupidity a totally different case than a carefully plotted murder or even an amokrun in a fit of rage. I'm afraid the murders of Judith Barsi, her Mum, and the suicide of her father were committed because of something much more sinister and vicious than mere stupidity.
Why is it that you wouldn't wear black on Thursdays lbt/cty_lover?
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Is there any truth to the rumour that this is why every effort was made to ignore Ducky's father in the sequels?
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I don't know this for sure, but I suppose it is just a rumor. Don't forget that we saw more of Ducky's father than of Cera's mother or Petrie's father (or Littlefoot's father until LBT 10 came). It is more common for LBT characters to have just one parent than both of them and Ducky was almost like an exception having both parents in the original movie as well as the sequels 2 and 5. The first LBT sequel, the first one to be produced after the murder of Judith Barsi (five years afterwards) featured Ducky's Dad. Even though he never spoke we saw more of him than of many other LBT parents.
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Interesting coincidence but I don't think that's why we don't see the father figure in many families outside of Cera's.
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It could be a combination of not wanting to have to animate 2 parents, and have voice actors voice them, which would cost more money and take more time. And they may not have an idea of a personality to give them also. Though in Ducky's case it makes more sense for her to have her father around at times also.
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Well, i'm think the lack of parents can be explained like that: the dinosures of Great Valley have came to their new home from the mysterious beyond, where danger awaits under every stone... It is like a lack of population after the war.
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In LBT 12, Ducky mentions she has an aunt who "sleepswims." Perhaps Universal caught onto the LBT 2 error and decided to make a reference in 12. Ducky has never once mentioned having a father. Like Cera's father, this just convinces me Mama Swimmer was made a widow :cry2.
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I seriously doubt this. At the end of the original movie we see two grownup swimmers one of whom looks male while the other looks female. Ducky greets both of them very much like parents.
(http://mitglied.lycos.de/malte279/spikesnewfamily.jpg)
In LBT 2 we have two swimmers lying beside Ducky's nest. I really don't think that other swimmer was meant to be anything but Ducky's father. If people insist they can always interpret something in LBT as references to Judith Barsi and her tragic death, but looking at the movies objectively I don't think any of these interpretations have any solid basis. It is worse enough what was committed by Judith Barsi's father, I don't see the need to blame Ducky's father for this. Let's not grudge her for one of the very few intact families existing in the land before time (though we didn't see him since LBT 5 Ducky's father's absence doesn't necessarily mean he is dead or gone or something, though I admit one would have expected to see something of him in LBT 7 and 8).
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I just pretend he's off screen all the time, but around. That is my personal take on it. In some shots there are multiple adult swimmers shown sometimes so one of those could be him.
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I think that possibly they were playing the "better-safe-than-sorry" game. If they showed Ducky with a father then some people might possibly have seen that as disrespectful to Barsi. If they just omit Ducky's father then they are safe. Hmm... not sure about this...
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Of course I don't know this, but I seriously doubt that the fate of poor Judith Barsi played a role in the decision to make Ducky's mother rather than her father play an active part. Most people who watch LBT probably don't know anything about Judith Barsi and her father. Also keep in mind that her father was shown in LBT 2 and 5 (making Ducky's family the only "complete" family of any of the main characters).
Also looking at the parental characters in LBT it seems possible that they just meant to avoid a majority of male / female characters. Littlefoot of course still has both of his grandparents, but his grandfather tends to play a slightly more active part.
Cera has only her father. And Ducky's and Petrie's parenty are both represented through the mother only.
Personally I don't think that Judith Barsi's murder played a role in the decision, but of course I cannot prove this point. Let everyone think what everyone wants to think.
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I doubt what happened to her had any part to play. I assume they do it since they don't want to animate another adult swimmer or flier, and the lines they would have them say would be similar likely to what the mother says. Similar reason why Grandma Longneck seldom speaks, she says basically the same as Grandpa Longneck.
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I cant remember when i read about it, but the one day i went to see what other movies Judith Barsi was in and when i read that she died i was really sad. The next day i wanted to read more about her and was just disturbed.. It makes the first movie even sadder :(
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I very Foolish Act indeed :anger
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With any luck Josef Barsi is rotting in Hell!
Judith's best friend Trixy Castro mentioned that, for months after Judith's murder, she was terrified that Josef would somehow come back to life and kill her :(
Trixy still finds it hard to talk about Judith, twenty-one years later
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With any luck Josef Barsi is rotting in Hell!
Judith's best friend Trixy Castro mentioned that, for months after Judith's murder, she was terrified that Josef would somehow come back to life and kill her :(
Trixy still finds it hard to talk about Judith, twenty-one years later
Aww that's so sad. Of course her friends must be traumatised by it too..
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Still I would take more comfort or pleasure from the idea or her being well wherever she may be (if she continues to be) than from envisioning tortures for her father and murderer.
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I hope she's at peace. Poor thing :cry :cry.
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Until I had recently gotten back into LBT, I never even knew such a thing had happened. Poor kid... I feel really bad for her friend too. Imagine. At only ten years of age, being told your best friend was killed... What's even more sad is to think that Judith had such a long life ahead of her. Hopefully she will be at peace...
But when you think of it, Judith will always live on. In the hearts of her friends, family and fans.
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R.I.P. :( :cry
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:cry :cry2 :cry i never knew that............i wish i never read this thread (sobbing like a baby)
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Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is a real you-know-what, to say the least <_<. I hate the thought that Trixy will have to perhaps deal with that haunting for life :(.
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Both mother and father sides of Judith's relatives in Hungary pretty much disowned her and Maria after the murders (and many would say, even before) - for a start, they did nothing to get grave markers for Judith and Maria and from what I've read, Maria's brother "permanently borrowed" all her surviving assets and the things that weren't destroyed by the fire
For whatever reason, the house where the Barsi's lived and where Judith and Maria Barsi were murdered, was not demolished after the murders but still exists as a private home today - there's not even a memorial plaque as far as i know
The houses in Sherwood Crescent in Lockerbie that were destroyed by the terrorist bombing of Pan Am 103 were never rebuilt... so why was the house where horrific acts of child abuse and an equally horrific murder-sucide occurred left standing and on-sold as a private home as if nothing had happened?
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The houses in Sherwood Crescent in Lockerbie that were destroyed by the terrorist bombing of Pan Am 103 were never rebuilt... so why was the house where horrific acts of child abuse and an equally horrific murder-sucide occurred left standing and on-sold as a private home as if nothing had happened?
Probably because the houses in Lockerbie really were destroyed and would have had to be rebuild while I think the house in which the Barsi's lived was not. I don't know for sure but I think the building was only slightly damaged, in any case not burned to the ground so a rebuilding would have been necessary.
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Malte
I just think it's distasteful and disrespectful that the murder house was left standing and allowed to remain a private home
though the interior probably doesn't look like it did in 1988
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There is no such thing as a "murder" house. There is only house where a murder happened. Why anyone should destroy that building? It wont bring Judith and Maria Barsi back to life.
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I just think it's distasteful and disrespectful that the murder house was left standing and allowed to remain a private home
though the interior probably doesn't look like it did in 1988
I must disagree. What happened was a horrible crime and it affects us a bit more than the average person because we are so fond of the way how poor Judith Barsi for ever modeled our perception of Ducky, yep, yep, yep.
But if every place where horrible crimes happen, where murders are committed, where tragedies occur were to be torn down as a consequence I'm afraid we would have the regret over a whole lot of destroyed buildings in addition to the mourning for those who lost their lives.
Should the Ford Theater in Washington be torn down because Abraham Lincoln was shot there? Should the tower of London be scourged from the face of the earth because the princes Edward and Richard (10 and 12 years old) were murdered there? Should any private home be destroyed if murder had been committed there? Is it disrespectful to leave these places standing?
I don't really think so.
The example of Lockerbie doesn't really work out because those houses were largely destroyed by the attack itself and had to be rebuild etc. It was not like they had been torn down because they reminded people too much of the fact that high above those houses a bomb had torn a plane apart killing many people.
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The way I see it, Judith and her mother are buried in a final resting place, and it's not within the house. The dead have been respected, so there's no need to tear down the joint. Just as Malte was saying, there are many places in which murders have happened that stand to this day. Tearing down the Barsi house will not change anything nor bring those two back <_<.
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I only learned about Judith Barsi a little while ago, but I'll always remember what is written on her headstone
"Our Concrete Angel - Yep Yep Yep"
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A thing that puzzles me about Josef's actions is that he waited two full days between killing Judith and Maria and killing himself - a few hours after the murders he even actively concealed them when Judith's agent called wondering why Judith hadn't turned up to an audition at Hanna-Barbera
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Now, THAT'S just freakin' twisted :x :x! Ugh! Corpses don't bother me, but I could not for the life of me sleep in my house where the corpses of my family I had just murdered remained :x, and not just one but two days. Just the stench alone could knock someone dead! Believe me, there's no smell on this planet that's worse than that of a decomposing corpse :x :x.
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Cancerian Tiger:
From what I've heard Trixy Castro still carries a lot of pain and self-blame with regard to Judith - they were the closest of friends after all - Trixy's known to work 16-hour days and there's speculation that her workaholic attitude is a way of dealing with the pain she's faced in her life
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The one thing that always occured to me is,why couldn't Judith's father become an actor then he wouldn't have to be jealous of her fame and he could leave all the abusing behind him,but no I know I would ressurect her father just so I could avenge her death.
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Yeah right, after all there can't be enough violence in this world based on an understandable thirst for revenge. Poor Judith Barsi would probably highly approve of whatever violent fantasy's many here will have towards her father <_<
I am not saying anything in the defense of that abuser and murderer, but I do question that we contribute to making the world a better one by indulging in violent fantasies of revenge rather than just accepting the horrible tragedy for what it is.
Is there anyone here who things that poor Judith Barsi in heaven would would applaud with delight at the idea of her father being resurrected in order to be tortured or killed or whatever you are having in mind?
PS: By the way, her father was not jealous of his daughter's success, but he was obsessed with the idea that his wife and daughter might leave him. An obsession for which he started giving the basis by turning abusive hoping to force them to stay.
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no I'm saying Jozef had a chance but he was an alcoholic and a dirty one too so maybe he jut lost his mind but heck if I ever have a wife like that I would divorce first chance I get apprantly in was Maria Barsi annoncing her divorce the Judith's father lost it but Judith should've lived to be atleast eighteen Jozef was just one messed up person to tell you the truth.
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I do not argue any of the points against him and I certainly don't defend the (censored).
It is our own statements, intentions, or actions which I am questioning.
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I've heard this, and that her tombstone reads, "Yep! Yep! Yep!" :sducky
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RIP, Judith :(petrie
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RIP, Judith :(petrie
Who was it that took over the voice of Ducky after Judith's untimely death?
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In LBT 2-4 Ducky was voiced by Heather Hogan. Ever since the 5th movie, she is voiced by Aria Noelle Curzon ^^spike
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And I think she did join this forum not sure if that's acurate
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http://z7.invisionfree.com/thegangoffive/i...php?showuser=14 (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?action=profile;u=14) ;)
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Wow O_O
And what posts did she make?
IS there any other registered members from LBT cast?
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I don't think so I'm just guessing if she did join.
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Nope, she's the only one.
As for the two posts... hang on, I've seen them before...
EDIT: Found one!http://z7.invisionfree.com/thegangoffive/i...dpost&p=2053248 (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=82&view=findpost&p=2053248)
The other post is probably buried somewhere.
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forum search is weird. It can't found posts by typing "AriaDucky5-12"...
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I think it only looks for the keywords you write down in the search bar that are in the messages itself. So, it doesn't look for usernames I believe.
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no, it searches my username.
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The fate of Ducky's voice actresses for a time ruined my love for character. Thankfully, the song Family in LBTVI redeemed it for me.