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Why does everyone hate Wisdom of Friends?

Ducky123

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I've been following Aria on facebook while I was still using it. She'll probably have some other social media accounts or a homepage, I don't really know.

As for Shorty, I don't think they really forgot. No serious company would set a bunch of people on a new sequel of a franchise without revisiting the previous movies. These animators alone would have to get some idea how to draw these guys etc. so at some point they should have had a chance to stumble across the character of Shorty. Heck, they used Bron so they HAD to. Them forgetting about him can't be a reason.

If they have enough budget to design a new character, they also have enough budget to reuse an old one.

Even if Shorty was just going to be a cameo for a few seconds, that would have majorly improved the movie imo. I can't really see why they didn't just include him. It's about as dumb as an episode about Tippy's herd where Tippy is missing :sducky:
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Well they do have a history of omitting characters that they really shouldn't (looking at you, Great Longneck Migration without Ali).


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Quote from: Sneak on Jan 23 2018, 03:23:18 AM
Quote from: Dr. Rex on Jan 23 2018, 12:43:36 AM
I do wonder why they were unable to bring Shorty back for JOTB. Did they simply forget? It couldn't be because of budgetary reasons.
still wanting to ask somebody such question. Ducky's or Cera's voice actress, for example. *roillseye*
Srsl, I saw one of them is even registered on forum, and I saw both somewhere made a chat with people, if I rememeber correctly... Is there a way to contact them?
I'm pretty sure they're active on social media. I think someone mentioned something about them and Instagram a while back, but I'm not sure about that.


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I tried to contact them last fall but I received no answer from McAfee and I didn't find a way to contact Curzon. Even then, I don't think Aria's leak of JOTB was an intended one and she could be more careful this time around. However, if someone does find a way to contact them, it wouldn't hurt to ask. :)




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Quote from: Sovereign on Jan 24 2018, 09:29:51 AM
I tried to contact them last fall but I received no answer from McAfee and I didn't find a way to contact Curzon. Even then, I don't think Aria's leak of JOTB was an intended one and she could be more careful this time around. However, if someone does find a way to contact them, it wouldn't hurt to ask. :)
I guess they want it to be an actual surprise this time around.


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I don't mind Wild Arms that much. Yes he can be annoying (though his limited screen time helps) and yes Shorty would be much better replacement for him. Compared to the yellowbellies though his personality seems to make a lot more sense. He's eccentric and extremely frightened by the whole situation he is forced into so when they're trying to hide from the carnotaurus and he can't help but whimper and make noise, I can buy that. Loofah seems to be so amazingly incompetent and unaware with everything that he'll scream as loud as he can can to prove that they're alone, which attracts the sharpteeth pack to them  :slap


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Thirteen is very flawed. I remembered it being a frustrating slog on my first watches. I can see where they were going with the lesson of the film – as good as planning ahead of time can be, doing it too much can bog you down and freeze you with anxiety, so sometimes you have to take things one step at a time. With the many adventures he had been on, I can see Littlefoot being plagued with that problem but he would learn the necessity of taking one step at a time from a group of dinosaurs who only can go one step at a time to survive.

The execution left a lot to be desired though. Him mentioning “listen to your folks, they know better” from the first song felt off because though their families have good intentions, he should know from experience they don’t always know better. The “stop worrying about tomorrow, and live in the fun of today” lesson(?) feels off. I agree about taking pleasures where you can to make this hellscape called life bearable but completely not thinking about worries doesn’t seem wise. Though I know they couldn’t help themselves, the yellow bellies were frustrating at times and it was hard to grasp their characters and how they did survive.

Still, there were points I liked about the movie. Cera remains in snarky but affectionate form. Grandma getting some limelight is great. She kind of gets the shaft when it comes to focus, often to the point it feels like “Littlefoot and Grandpa, guest starring Grandma.” I like Foobie, the sweet, bashful, wise one, and his friendship with Spike. I get the intent he’s someone who just goes with the flow of the yellow bellies and others, just letting the gang try to lead them all, but it didn’t always make him look like an effective leader. Maybe there should have been a few more moments where Foobie stepped in and smoothly brought his charges back on track. The fart joke made me go “Ugggh” but Petrie’s delivery of “That not funny” did amuse me.

Doofah could occasionally be entertaining, with her jumping majestically out of a mudslide as an example. Her “You’re beautiful!” exclamations could be used as fun image macros and gifs to send to loved ones. I did like her dynamic with Cera a bit, where she hugs Cera while the latter struggles out like an annoyed cat. Loofah I have a harder time grasping as a character, since he seems sensible some moments and oblivious like the rest in other scenes. I do like the skill set of the yellow bellies, like with being able to cause quakes with their bodies. It would probably hurt to be slammed directly. I also like their “bush” hiding trick. It gave me an amusing scene idea where the gang are being menaced by a villain only for them to spot one of the yellow belly trio pretending to be a bush nearby and confusing the villain by making a series of butt puns until the yellow belly come to the rescue.

On a slightly unrelated note, I hope Foobie knows how to marshal his charges so they don’t eat too much of the greens too quickly in Berry Valley. That might exhaust the food supply Then again, maybe it’s magic like the Great Valley where the greens often seem to refurbish themselves no matter how much is eaten or how many trees or bushes get casually destroyed. :p

Even with how flawed this movie is, I do have plans to write these yellow belly characters. I feel drawn to the challenge of writing from their perspective and fleshing them out. It might be fun and interesting.

I can see the frustration with Wild Arms. While the yellow bellies are at least good intentioned, he seems more selfish. His humor doesn’t always land for me. Though I’ve contemplated writing him, and the lines he slings out – oh, it’s a hoot. I feel his interactions with Shorty and Etta would be fun and how they bounce off each other could make them a great trio. I hope I can get to write something like that at some point.


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I think the ire directed at The Wisdom of Friends is that it sank to new lows of foolery. Most of the LBT films had dialogue that was consistently 6 Grade and older. The Tinysaurs lowered the vocabulary and the songs became more simplistic, as if for 3rd grade or even 2nd Grade level. This was hard to cope with after very catchy and clever songs in LBT II-V. There is a trend in Hollywood to dumb down franchises, an example is the Ice Age films. Ice Age I to Dawn of the Dinosaurs was clever, but it drifted at Continental Drift into total silliness and is now far away from its original potential.

The Wisdom of Friends feels like its addressing A very small audience, when most of LBT films had a range for both young and old to appreciate. I was glad Journey of the Brave course corrected a little bit on the dumbing down effect in Hollywood, but it’s still s far cry from LBT I-VI.
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Here a short answer to why people hate XIII. Yellow Bellies  :PLoofah. There are probably other reasons but that's the most popular reason for people to hate The Wisdom of Friends.


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Now while I do love this movie I don't think it's perfect. It has problems and I wanna discuss them now. First off Cody Arens is not that good as Littlefoot. I know people have pointed this out before but his voice is way too high pitched and his acting is not that good either. But no offense to him. Another thing is this film re-uses way too many scores from the past movies. I think about 60% of the score in this film is re-used music we have heard before and about 40% of it is oringial which is just lazy.  Also they missed a perfect opportunity to use Horner's Discovery of the Great Valley music at the end. I know I just complained about the music in this one mostly being re-used but come on Horner's score would have been perfect for that bit. My other problems are just minor nitpicks like the many animation errors I have spotted and out of place CGI but beside's that I have no other complaints. Or at least none I can think of.
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