All Dogs Go to Heaven!

Malte279 · **Reply #20 on:** June 25, 2009, 06:46:18 PM

So all beings who are by "design" unaware of good or evil would be condemned to suffer?
But unless I'm very mistaken the purgatory is meant to be a temporary thing where souls are "purged" by being tortured before send to heaven after all. Or would there be a special rule condemning animals or other beings for their ignorance of good or evil to eternal purgatory? In that case the difference between hell and purgatory would wane with (I'm sorry if this sounds blasphemic, but by all descriptions I am aware of this would be the accurate description) with the management being the only difference.
Is a being unable to know good or evil able to sin at all? Is such a being to suffer for all eternity for an ignorance that is not the fault of this being? This would not sound very just to me.

The Great Valley Guardian · **Reply #21 on:** June 25, 2009, 07:15:45 PM

That was the funniest thing I've read in a long time! Just an argument going back and forth between two church posting boards!

I'm still laughing about that!

Great work!

Noname · **Reply #22 on:** June 25, 2009, 10:59:29 PM

First, there is no such thing as "eternal purgatory" in Christianity... that would be hell. As for why I thought purgatory was chosen... well... it keeps animals out of hell because they don't know what they were doing, but I cannot say that they are sinless, so they don't get directly into "doggie heaven."

Malte279 · **Reply #23 on:** June 26, 2009, 03:45:32 AM

But if they were to go to purgatory and if there is no eternal purgatory (I totally agree that the permanence would make it identical with hell) then there must be some state / place to which they would pass on from the purgatory.
Personally I still think it is difficult to claim on the one hand that animals are able to sin, but on the other hand claim that they had no conscience allowing them to tell good from evil.
If they did have such a consciousness, I don't see how they could be barred from heaven or hell; but if they did not have such a consciousness I do not see how they could be "stored" in the purgatory just because they are not wanted in heaven or hell.
Is a being who is utterly unaware of any notion of good or evil able to sin? Perhaps so, but not with any deliberation in doing that. So can a being be punished by a just deity for something committed in a total absence of any notion of good or evil?

Noname · **Reply #24 on:** June 26, 2009, 03:48:03 AM

It can be temporarily punished, with the knowledge that the suffering is temporary only... I guess all dogs DO go to heaven... eventually. Kind of like saying "bad dog!"

Malte279 · **Reply #25 on:** June 26, 2009, 04:37:52 AM

So you believe animals can go to heaven?
Personally I hope that if there is a heaven they can.

Noname · **Reply #26 on:** June 26, 2009, 04:40:22 AM

I guess so...I cannot pretend to know for sure. I suppose they can do bad things, but not get the same punishment as self-aware creatures would get... but we can still punish a bad dog in order to modify his behavior... so that he will be a good boy when he finally crosses through the pearly gates. Wow, a short comment from Malte...

Invaderbecky · **Reply #27 on:** July 02, 2009, 04:39:32 PM

lol, no rocks in heaven, then all rocks go to heaven, funny, Dogs have to go to Heaven, the good dogs anyway, their loyal and kind for the most part and if they don't have souls how are they living? Never mind, I just hope dogs and all my pets go to Heaven, so yeah.

action9000 · **Reply #28 on:** July 04, 2009, 01:48:13 AM

Hahahaha, okay I'm officially amused.