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I fully agree with you Ducky. :yes

I'm also with Malte on this... those writers have made it a pain for me to try and make sense of his story for a fanfiction I'm trying to write which includes that particular event... it just doesn't make much sense and created too many plotholes. :anger

As for the character himself, hey, he's all right. He seems like a nice enough guy, and it's nice to see Littlefoot have another family member. Overall, I have a mixed opinion on him. :yes


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I guess I'd have to say "Me Three!" continuing on from Ducky and Ram there :)
I really, really liked the character of Bron - his manner showed he was really fatherly and protective, and (Keifer Sutherland's voice!!! YES) you could tell he was really hit hard by realizing he might very well be alone, without a mate, without a son, without his family, after the Earthshake.
I guess I didn't realize the errors in his story at first, but even so, they haven't changed my perception of him.
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Like I said before, I never really understood where the impression of Bron as particularly protective, fatherly and responsible is comming from. Having established that his son is not among the young longnecks he found he just walked off without even saying a word (not to mention encouraging the helpless longnecks to follow him). He never gave any thought to "adopting" shorty and only towards the very end of the movie we see him interact with him for any other purpose than admonishing him for a kind of attitute which Shorty might never have developed had Bron been the kind of father figure for him which everyone seems to believe Bron to be.


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In Bron's defense, he may not have known at the time that the kids were orphans. The LBT series has very well established that the children can travel far from their parents during the day for playtime. Bron may have thought that there was already someone taking care of them.

Think about it. If you were walking through the woods and you stumbled upon a baby animal of some kind, would you think it's a good idea to take them with you when you have no idea where the parents are? In most cases, the parents are away getting food and will be returning; moving the young animal(s) would do more harm than good.

This can be applied in Bron's situation with encountering the orphan longnecks. Maybe in his story as he told Littlefoot, he might have said they were orphans (I really don't remember) but at the time, there's a chance he may not have known.

If this is the case, if he did believe that they had a parent somewhere waiting for them, then Bron not asking them to come with him could be seen as an act of kindness: sacrificing his happiness so he didn't make another parent miserable.


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At the very least he could have mustered enough compassion to open his mouth and ask the kids.
My point is mainly that I really don't see where the credit is comming from that Bron receives being recognized for supposed compassion and care of which I just don't think we saw much in LBT 10.



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I really love Bron. I feel the same way about him that so many people here feel about Pterano!


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^ The deleting or removing of older posts is considered vandalism on the GOF prohibited by Section 3 of the board rules. I therefore suspended the old Bruton account to prevent further damage to the integrity of older GOF threads.


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I don't know if anybody has suggested this already, but regarding Bron's apparent lack of search for Littlefoot in the Great Valley, I thought maybe Bron had searched there and did not find Littlefoot. Maybe he arrived at the Great Valley before Littlefoot and his friends in the original movie- and as well as the other adults as well because he did not meet up with Littlefoot's grandparents either.
 I know it is kind of a stretch to believe because Bron began his search long after Littlefoot and the others but being an adult probably means Bron could move faster than kids (the gang) to the Great Valley, and since he was probably traveling alone, it is also possible for him to travel faster than the grownup's herd, because traveling in a herd means you have to wait for everyone to rest and eat, and make they keep up, and things that take up time.

I've always felt that the way Bron said he going to bring his entire herd to the Great Valley to visit at the end of LBT 10 meant that he had been there before and he knows the way. However, since he got there before Littlefoot he did not find his son and so moved on to search for him somewhere else. It was only then that Bron's herd own began to form and to try to answer another question about Bron- why he was unable to go to the Great Valley with Littlefoot at the end of LBT 10- I think it was because Bron's herd at this time is too big. He does mention he had to leave some of his herd behind during the longnecks trip to the crater valley so we never see the size of the entire herd; maybe Bron's herd is too big a population for the Great Valley to support for a long time. They could only visit but not stay.


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That's an interesting theory, Skycolor. I don't remember anyone else coming up with that theory. Most people just think of him as a dead-beat dad who abandoned his mate and gave up on finding his son too easily.
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Very interesting theory you explained here indeed:yes

Bron's backstory was kind of vague in the movie, thus I have written a story that is centered on Bron & Shorty ( + Ali). Still in progress though. Check it out if you like (link in my sig, Shorty's Dark Past)

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That is an interesting idea, SkyColor.  It seems that much of the fandom is split on whether Bron is, as Vonboy put it, a deadbeat who gave up too easy or simply a victim of extremely poor writing.  The idea that perhaps he arrived at the valley first and couldn't find anyone would explain why he would have abandoned his search or at least put it on hold.  If you heard that your mate had died and found no sign of Littlefoot at the proposed destination, then it would be logical inference that your son probably didn't make it.  :yes


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Quote from: arrogantrex,Jan 30 2008 on  06:32 PM
Quote from: Malte279,Jan 30 2008 on  03:04 AM

As for the name, interestingly enough Littlefoot too was meant to be named after the outdated (no pun intended) "Brontosaurus". In an early script he was named "Thunderfoot"

Makes me wonder what would've happened if for some reason they went with RumbleFoot.  :lol
Thunderfoot, eh?  Now we know what to name one of Littlefoot and Ali's children.   :lol



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If I had my way, I'd have rewritten X to have Bron say that

He was chased by Sharptooth.  He was able to get away, but hit his head on a rock and lost his memory (he probably wouldn't know the word "amnesia") and he forgot who he was for many years.  

Eventually, he remembers and goes searching for Littlefoot and his wife.  However, he finds that his wife has been killed by Sharptooth and that his son is missing.  He would pick up longnecks, looking for Littlefoot.

Also, the chased by Sharptooth could give his wife and Grandpa and Grandma Longneck the impression that Sharptooth made a meal of him (which would explain why they didn't go looking for him either, something the film also doesn't explain with Bron's reason for being absent for so long.)

(Heck, maybe it DID happen, more or less, and, as Bron lost his memory, he just can't remember it!   :lol  :lol  :lol  :lol  :lol  :lol  :lol  )


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Quote from: Malte279,Aug 15 2008 on  05:18 AM
In spite of the earlier LBT 10 claim that "all longnecks" were going to that crater (obviously untrue with the absence of Doc and Ali's herd)
I know it's sort of offtopic, but I thought I'd point out that the longneck mom we saw in LBT 9 wasn't there either.

I suppose there's only so much "continuity porn", as TV Tropes calls it, that a sequel can include.

Well, hopefully Journey of the Brave will finally change that.


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It was litkely it would have cost too much design and voicework to inlclude all of those other longneck characters in the 10th film. They probably understandably don't have so much of a budget for the sequals, as their only direct-to-dvd, and you can only expect to make so much income ffrom that.
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Well, of course it would have been awesome to have some characters like Ali and Doc return in LBT 10 but there's one problem which I think might have been the reason for the story-writers not to include them in the end. Every character in any LBT movie has a sort of purpose - a role to play in the story. Even the Yellowbellies or these odd speaking fuzzies in the TV-series had a role to play in their respective movies/episodes.
Now what role would you give Ali or Doc in LBT 10? As much as I would have liked to see them return, I don't really see a fitting role for them in LBT 10. They would've been unneccessary characters because their impact on the plot of LBT 10 would have been minor or even non-existent. In short, the movie works without them. And yes, money might have also been a reason there :p
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Quote from: SkyColor-TreeSweets,Feb 18 2014 on  05:43 PM
I don't know if anybody has suggested this already, but regarding Bron's apparent lack of search for Littlefoot in the Great Valley, I thought maybe Bron had searched there and did not find Littlefoot. Maybe he arrived at the Great Valley before Littlefoot and his friends in the original movie- and as well as the other adults as well because he did not meet up with Littlefoot's grandparents either.
 I know it is kind of a stretch to believe because Bron began his search long after Littlefoot and the others but being an adult probably means Bron could move faster than kids (the gang) to the Great Valley, and since he was probably traveling alone, it is also possible for him to travel faster than the grownup's herd, because traveling in a herd means you have to wait for everyone to rest and eat, and make they keep up, and things that take up time.

I've always felt that the way Bron said he going to bring his entire herd to the Great Valley to visit at the end of LBT 10 meant that he had been there before and he knows the way. However, since he got there before Littlefoot he did not find his son and so moved on to search for him somewhere else. It was only then that Bron's herd own began to form and to try to answer another question about Bron- why he was unable to go to the Great Valley with Littlefoot at the end of LBT 10- I think it was because Bron's herd at this time is too big. He does mention he had to leave some of his herd behind during the longnecks trip to the crater valley so we never see the size of the entire herd; maybe Bron's herd is too big a population for the Great Valley to support for a long time. They could only visit but not stay.
I actually had this thought for a long time and I just didn't sign up on the forums long enough ago to make the suggestion. Thank you for expanding my points there. :D


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Ah, Littlefoot’s father. He does share the same even-keel temperament that Littlefoot, his mother, and Grandpa and Grandma Longneck possess. I surmise alikes didn’t repel when it came to Littlefoot’s parents. ;)

It’s of note that Bron seems to have a sense of responsibility where he decides to act himself. He decides to scout out for a more immediately safer place to raise Littlefoot other than the Great Valley. He takes Shorty and other orphaned children in while searching for Littlefoot. He eventually accepts the duty of herd leader even though he hadn’t looked for it. He looks after Shorty even when no one else would accept him into the family. He personally rescues Wild Arms despite the dangers. Whatever the issue, Bron doesn’t appear to mind getting his paws dirty as long as it improves conditions or see someone be safe.

As for how Bron is as a herd leader, I get the sense he does take the needs and words of his herd into consideration. He makes a proposal about where to go next and how to get there, and he listens to the feedback of the others. They make their case back and forth until there’s a majority or consensus opinion. I believe Bron prefers that kind of leadership. He does have some trust in his own judgement but he has made mistakes as he got used to his role and he would prefer to have a check in case he made some more errors in.

Of course, just because he cares about others doesn’t mean he can’t be insensitive. I wouldn’t go so far as to say he’s a deadbeat father but are moments when he seems oblivious to the feelings of others. When he looked after Shorty, he seemed to think of this duty as simply that of a Good Samaritan looking after a troubled neighborhood kid. It didn’t seem to occur to Bron that Shorty might see him as something more until Littlefoot brings it up. Even when the adoption becomes official, he at times give more attention to Littlefoot than Shorty. I don’t think this is intentional. If Bron has this behavior pointed out to him, I’m sure he’d feel guilty and do his best to correct it. I’m not sure where this behavior originates but I find it makes him a more interesting character then if he was a deadbeat or saint.

It’s been commented on a few times but Bron can also be quite playful, as seen with the “It’s great to have a dad” sequence. He looks like he’s having as much fun as Littlefoot. I have a headcanon that when there is downtime, he likes to play with the herd’s kids. This serves a dual purpose. He wants to make sure the youth are happy and entertained but I also think he does this both to make up for not being able to play the role of father for so long and to have a release valve for all the work and stress being a measured herd leader is. I think he revel in being silly once in a while, much to embarrassment of Shorty and some of the kids. Some might roll their eyes at that but I believe others would be fond of it.

In concern with his relationship to Shorty, I have the sense if Bron knows the boy is having an issue, he will try to solve it. I suspect he still has some guilt for not always taking Shorty’s emotions and needs into consideration. Bron knows Shorty would both like and find it annoying but he can’t resist checking up on the boy. Though from how he behaves in his TV show appearance, I kind of got the sense that Bron wanted to either allow Shorty to figure things out on his own or wait until Shorty gets experienced enough to get the explanations. Bron was rather vague about why Shorty wouldn’t be taking the Longneck Test yet and I’m kind of curious if Bron didn’t elaborate on why or if Shorty didn’t understand his explanations.  

He probably plays with Shorty by indulging in some of the mischief the boy can get in. If Shorty, for example, throws a snowball at Bron, Bron would respond by throwing a snowball back. Bron likely enjoys that tit-for-tat bonding and putting a smile on Shorty’s face through these games.

That’s all I can think of for Bron. I had a lot of this pinned down while thinking about and watching his scenes but there are parts of him I’m still attempting to figure out (A writer’s exploration of a character is never done).


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Kiefer Sutherland as Bron was a delight in LBT X. However, in my humble opinion, Bron emergence distracts from Little Foot and His Grand Parents. Until the Great Longneck Migration, Little Foot experiences being raised by Grand Pa Longneck and Grand Ma Longneck; the fact they were the only ones left to raise him made the dynamic interesting. Granted, Bron has his own herd and cannot stay in the Great Valley, so much hasn't changed in some respects, but the fact that one of Little Foot's parents is alive removes the sting of LBT Original Film, that Little Foot is an orphan until he finds his Grandparents.

If little foot has to choose between Bron and Grand Pa Longneck, I am for Team Grand Pa.   :p  :smile

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