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Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: Ludichris1 on August 16, 2015, 08:37:48 PM
Um, never posted in here before but oh well.

This came out recently so thought I'd leave the video link here
https://www.facebook.com/OhMyDisney/videos/498806660275633/ (https://www.facebook.com/OhMyDisney/videos/498806660275633/)

I've known about it for some time but this is the first time they've had a Sneak Peak video.

Here for more information
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lion_Guard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lion_Guard)

Thoughts? Almost any commercially-developed 2D animation these days is digitized, either entirely like with flash or using pen tablets/monitors as is what I think this is

Personally I find this quite exciting!  :DD  :birthday
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: DarkHououmon on August 17, 2015, 12:09:39 AM
I remember seeing that video before, and I'm not really all that impressed. I thought it was okay at first, but as soon as Kion's roar brought forth those cloud lions, I kind of had to roll my eyes. Yes, the first film and second film had Mufasa appear in the clouds, but that was more just Simba seeing it; it wasn't some kind of special power that Simba could use at will.

Yeah I know this series is advertised as "The Lion King Meets The Avengers", but that's probably why I'm not liking this so far. When I think TLK, I do not think "animals with magical powers fighting bad guys".
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: Ludichris1 on August 17, 2015, 01:38:04 AM
I am quite unsure what that was all about. Guess we'll have to wait and see...

Still, I think it's worth seeing, considering it's both Lion King related, Disney related, and not so vectorized.

Only other cartoon TV show on my radar this year (that I know about I guess) is Guardians of the Galaxy. Bojack Horseman won't be back till next year I presume.

edit: and technically Dreamworks Dragons is 3D
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: Nick22 on August 17, 2015, 12:29:02 PM
giving kiara a little brother doesnt solve a couple problems left unanswered with the end of 2.
1 Who takes over if anything happens to Kovu?
and 2. Who will Vitani have as a mate?
 Given Kovus conduct in the second film, hes not king material anyway, but as of yet hes the only  young adult male in the pride. a little brother 1. would be far too young to take over should 1 happen, and 2 would be far too young for Vitani. at her age Vitani needs a mate in the short term, not long term.
 the first couple films had some magic - with Rafiki being a mystic. but not the over-the-top 'magic call' that TLG has. i dont expect the series to last very long, and i certainly wont be watching it. this is simply Disney milking the franchise even more than 2 and 1.5 did.

Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: Ludichris1 on August 17, 2015, 05:52:02 PM
I wouldn't know of the family politics much as it's been a while for me having watched the movies, still how can't it be worth at least well checking out to prove or disprove conclusions? *shrugs*
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: Serris on August 17, 2015, 09:30:15 PM
The animation and voice acting is classic high quality Disney but the emblem that appeared on Kion's left foreleg after he roared and the cloud lions that appeared after his roar...

Seems a bit too much like a crossover between Lion King and The Avengers for my taste.
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: bestariana1girl on August 17, 2015, 11:09:45 PM
I am so looking forward to this! I'm probably the biggest TLK fan here on the forums, really it's my fandom. I love TLK! But why is Kion able to roar as a cub when Simba couldn't?
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: Ludichris1 on August 18, 2015, 08:41:57 AM
All I can say is guess we'll find out!
I am kind of thinking the roar partly came from the clouds
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: LBTDiclonius on August 18, 2015, 09:43:05 AM
Hey I'm not the biggest Lion King fan on the planet, but I'll give it a go.

The animation's not too bad, nor is the voice acting. But, if this is set before TLK2, then what role does he play when Kovu comes into the picture? Where was he the whole film, why was this never mentioned? (Because disney thought of it really late, that's why and they want to sell more toys) I guess it will all be explained. one thing, however, that just really weirds me out is that roar scene. Like, what the heck was that? It wasn't endearing or empowering, it was just kind of...strange. To me, at least. But, hey, I'm all for the "animals with powers" trope.

Also, honey badger don't give a s***
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: Daddytops2009 on August 19, 2015, 01:24:11 PM
Interesting.
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: DarkHououmon on December 01, 2015, 08:08:11 AM
I've seen some of this and so far I'm not really enjoying it. Some of the things just don't make sense.

The first thing that annoys me is the whole "protect the circle of life" thing and how the hyenas want to disregard it and kill whenever they want to. I'm not really sure what the point of this is. The first movie never really indicated that the circle of life needed protection, nor any indication that some animals (hyenas and vultures) had a thing against it. And making them want to demolish the circle of life or whatever just seems like a pretty cheap way to make them into the bad guys.

And another thing I don't like is Kiara's portrayal. If they wanted Kion to have an "annoying sibling" and conflict with said sibling, they could have accomplished this without altering Kiara's personality. She didn't have to be turned into a rather smug, show-offy lioness bragging about her heritage to become the queen. I mean, a part of her character in TLK2 is not wanting to become queen.

I really don't know why they couldn't have kept her just how she was in the early parts of TLK2. There was already plenty of conflict for Kion at this point. Kiara being a reckless little child who wanders into danger without thinking about it (just like how Simba himself did in the first movie), having something of a disregard for rules (based on what I remember), and not caring about ruling the pridelands (and therefore not likely caring about wanting to watch over it) would have been more than enough material to work with to make her clash with Kion, who is more responsible.

But it just seems like they altered her personality in an attempt to make Kion look better, and that is such a disappointment. They already had stuff to work with in regards to their clashing; they didn't have to change Kiara in order to show that Kion was the more responsible sibling.

About the only thing I'd say this show has going for it is the animation. It's not too bad, and some visuals are pretty nice, like in the song "Tonight We Strike". Voices aren't bad either. But when it comes to story and some of the characters, I feel it could have been done much better, personally.
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: Ludichris1 on December 01, 2015, 09:41:13 AM
I've watched it too. Well it seems every of the bad guys knows about the past Lion Guard so that's why they wanted to kill as many animals as possible so that they could catch the attention of the new forming Lion Guard and hopefully get rid of them while they can? I dunno.

I haven't watched TLK2 in foreeeeever so I can't say much about Kiara but after what you've said I dunno why they changed her.

I do like the voicework of quite a few characters and the animation really stands out sometimes. But really, especially as a cartoon, it's targeted at it's TV-Y audience lol. I noticed something kind of similar with the Guardians of the Galaxy tv show. it was fun to watch but it did feel geared towards kids.
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: bestariana1girl on December 01, 2015, 06:09:48 PM
I loved the Lion Guard. I just wish Kiara was an adult.
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: DarkHououmon on December 01, 2015, 07:31:12 PM
I have no idea why they didn't place The Lion Guard after The Lion King 2, honestly.
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: bestariana1girl on December 03, 2015, 02:14:07 AM
Quote from: DarkHououmon,Dec 1 2015 on  05:31 PM
I have no idea why they didn't place The Lion Guard after The Lion King 2, honestly.
Very good point. A lot of kids today aren't even aware of TLK 2 & 1/2.... It's sad... And where is Kovu!?
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: Lord Beerus on December 12, 2015, 09:28:48 PM
I've seen it too, true there are a few things wrong with it, like that plot hole where Scar killed  the old lion guard but some how escaped punishment, though I imagine scar did a good job at covering his tracks.

Also there is the fact that the Hyena clan is led by Janja, a male. However I can over look this.

All and all, a good show, at least it doesn't break the fourth wall like Jake and the never land pirates, or some other little kids shows.
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: Stitch on December 15, 2015, 03:18:28 PM
If anyone's interested, Amazon and ITunes has the first episode of the series available now for free.
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: bestariana1girl on December 16, 2015, 02:23:51 PM
Quote from: Stitch,Dec 15 2015 on  01:18 PM
If anyone's interested, Amazon and ITunes has the first episode of the series available now for free.
True! Plus it's also on the Disney Channel Watch App for free.
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: DarkWolf91 on January 19, 2016, 10:56:51 PM
Sisi ni sawa!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKjsfZVIBug (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKjsfZVIBug)

Digging it so far!
Kovu and the outland cubs are supposed to make cameo appearances sometime during the season, looking forward to that. I'm interested to see how things play out :smile
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: Ludichris1 on January 19, 2016, 11:27:35 PM
Yea there's been the movie and two episodes so far :)
It gets kiddish sometimes (for obvious reasons) but I'm really diggin' the combo of animation, art style, and VA. Songs can be pretty nice sometimes too

I like Ono the best

how would you order the characters by what you've seen so far?

(although I can't help myself when animated animals sing xD)

edit: OH GREAT x-x thanks for posting the youtube link >-> now i've listened to it 5 times  :bang
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: DarkWolf91 on January 20, 2016, 01:07:43 AM
Quote from: Ludichris1,Jan 19 2016 on  11:27 PM
Yea there's been the movie and two episodes so far :)
It gets kiddish sometimes (for obvious reasons) but I'm really diggin' the combo of animation, art style, and VA. Songs can be pretty nice sometimes too

I like Ono the best

how would you order the characters by what you've seen so far?

(although I can't help myself when animated animals sing xD)

edit: OH GREAT x-x thanks for posting the youtube link >-> now i've listened to it 5 times  :bang
Oh man, it's hard to pick... I like Jasiri a lot, she's a good mix of tough and sensible, with bravado but without too much pride (like Fuli). And a good sense of humor :lol

I'd have to say of the main five, Beshte is probably my favorite. So chill and spacey. Love Ono too, though, and Bunga's okay when he's not being obnoxiously gimmicky. Not too fond of Fuli yet, but it looks like there are two episodes for her on the slate, so I'll wait to see how she develops as a character.
So far Kion's just the stereotypical leader type, but again, I'm looking forward to seeing more of his story :)
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: Ludichris1 on January 20, 2016, 11:13:47 AM
Yea I'm not really digging Fuli. I know she's supposed to be the 'logical, deliberate" type but she's not coming across as very likable. Time will well I guess.
Yeah I really like how Beshte's so chill. Great voice fit too.
Bunga... bunga can be funny at times but he gets pretty gross and immature at others so I don't know really.
Ono's my favorite cuz he's somewhat sarcastic but also looking out for people's best interests.

And jasiri's not one of the main characters but from what I"ve seen she's really good. On par with Ono for me.

And Kion, well. I love his character design the most (for obvious reasons) but at the same time he's pretty typical leader-ish, not that many flaws or quirks that I've seen. Like if Littlefoot were robotic or something. Still like him though better than bunga, fuli, maybe even beshte who knows really
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: bestariana1girl on January 20, 2016, 01:50:36 PM
I've watched the movie & two episodes and I think it isn't too kiddish.
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: Iuri97 on January 22, 2016, 02:31:29 PM
I watched the movie and the Jasiri episode very recently. Well, I have to say... it could have been a much worse series. I really liked Jasiri (ABOUT time we got a hyena that is not evil) herself. Overall, I wouldn¥t call it the best animated series ever but I found it perfectly enjoyable.

Also, I loved Janja. Sure, while he¥s a typical bullying teenager-radical-dude, I think he has potential as a villain. And I loved his laughter in the movie. So Joker-like!   :smile
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: WeirdRaptor on February 01, 2016, 10:06:38 PM
I believe The Unshaved Mouse sais it best:

If I said I was happy, I'd be lion (http://unshavedmouse.com/2016/01/26/if-i-said-i-was-happy-id-be-lion/)
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: Ludichris1 on February 01, 2016, 11:49:32 PM
Not quite...
Also, the TV market is always different from the movie market. Most animated tv shows focus on syndication with a villainous or lesson-teaching plot that usually doesn't bring a lot to continuity.

Also movies have to go for a wider audience than tv shows as they cost a lot more and there is more riding on them. Adults as far as I know usually don't watch current animated Kids tv shows on TV (note the on TV part) and would rather be watching adult animation or the rare gem like Steven Universe or something. And so to fill the networks demographic like Disney Jr or Nickelodeon Jr or whatever they have to make appropriate content

Also, usually the more serious an animated movie gets (that isn't japanese) the worse it does at the box office. Look at Treasure Planet, Atlantis: The Lost Empire, Titan AE. If it doesn't have talking animals or a love story, most people seem to pass.

Reading that blogpost some things were agreeable and others were not or just twists in fallacies meant to garner cynicism. Most people don't like their childhood favorites to be remade, and that's mostly what this is...

It was marketed as TV Y-7. The Lion King was G. But guess what; so was Land Before Time. And I think it's easy to agree both were PG

Bah not sure what else I can say on the matter :neutral
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: WeirdRaptor on February 02, 2016, 12:40:00 AM
And I think you have it pegged all wrong. I find nothing wrong with anything he said. In any case, The Lion Guard is a piece of trash and there is no excusing that.
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: Campion1 on February 02, 2016, 04:08:08 AM
I can't believe they were able to get away with saying "This is un-fucking-believable!" on children's television so many times.

Also, fart jokes.  x(cera
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: Ludichris1 on February 02, 2016, 10:46:40 AM
Quote from: WeirdRaptor,Feb 1 2016 on  11:40 PM
And I think you have it pegged all wrong. I find nothing wrong with anything he said. In any case, The Lion Guard is a piece of trash and there is no excusing that.
How much have you actually watched...
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: bestariana1girl on February 02, 2016, 01:13:22 PM
Quote from: Ludichris1,Feb 2 2016 on  08:46 AM
Quote from: WeirdRaptor,Feb 1 2016 on  11:40 PM
And I think you have it pegged all wrong. I find nothing wrong with anything he said. In any case, The Lion Guard is a piece of trash and there is no excusing that.
How much have you actually watched...
^^

It's "un-bunga-lievable" Bunga + Unbelievable, Campion1.
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: WeirdRaptor on February 02, 2016, 02:27:55 PM
Quote from: Ludichris1,Feb 2 2016 on  09:46 AM
Quote from: WeirdRaptor,Feb 1 2016 on  11:40 PM
And I think you have it pegged all wrong. I find nothing wrong with anything he said. In any case, The Lion Guard is a piece of trash and there is no excusing that.
How much have you actually watched...
I've seen enough. Unshaved Mouse is right. End of discussion.
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: Nick22 on February 02, 2016, 04:09:05 PM
remember to keep the discussion civil guys. carry on.
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: Ludichris1 on February 02, 2016, 07:25:30 PM
I am hoping you can consider fact, opinion, and sensitivity when in discourse.
Wouldn't call it banter, but thanks for the exchange of thoughts.
 :unsure:
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: DarkWolf91 on February 03, 2016, 12:23:21 AM
It's a little silly to call something objectively 'trash' because you don't like it. And I'm really tired of people acting like it's some huge unforgivable sin to re-vamp an old concept. (The lion king was essentially a rip-off of Kimba the White Lion in the first place).
The Lion Guard does not detract from the Lion King, just as the Lion King did not detract from Kimba the White Lion. People can like the Lion Guard while still maintaining reverence from it's source material.
It's not a bad show. It has its eyeroll moments, but it's fun and energetic, with some surprisingly sober undertones. Some of the songs are good, some are not. I like the swahili vocabulary element, and the introduction of more varied animals in main roles.

Oh, and it's only aired three episodes and a mini-movie so far. That isn't a lot to judge by.

And Beshte is still my favorite :smile
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: bestariana1girl on February 03, 2016, 02:59:43 AM
Quote from: DarkWolf91,Feb 2 2016 on  10:23 PM
It's a little silly to call something objectively 'trash' because you don't like it. And I'm really tired of people acting like it's some huge unforgivable sin to re-vamp an old concept. (The lion king was essentially a rip-off of Kimba the White Lion in the first place).
The Lion Guard does not detract from the Lion King, just as the Lion King did not detract from Kimba the White Lion. People can like the Lion Guard while still maintaining reverence from it's source material.
It's not a bad show. It has its eyeroll moments, but it's fun and energetic, with some surprisingly sober undertones. Some of the songs are good, some are not. I like the swahili vocabulary element, and the introduction of more varied animals in main roles.

Oh, and it's only aired three episodes and a mini-movie so far. That isn't a lot to judge by.

And Beshte is still my favorite :smile
I agree! I love Kiara, she slays  :lol !
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: WeirdRaptor on February 03, 2016, 06:14:48 PM
Quote from: DarkWolf91,Feb 2 2016 on  11:23 PM
It's a little silly to call something objectively 'trash' because you don't like it. And I'm really tired of people acting like it's some huge unforgivable sin to re-vamp an old concept. (The lion king was essentially a rip-off of Kimba the White Lion in the first place).
The Lion Guard does not detract from the Lion King, just as the Lion King did not detract from Kimba the White Lion. People can like the Lion Guard while still maintaining reverence from it's source material.
It's not a bad show. It has its eyeroll moments, but it's fun and energetic, with some surprisingly sober undertones. Some of the songs are good, some are not. I like the swahili vocabulary element, and the introduction of more varied animals in main roles.

Oh, and it's only aired three episodes and a mini-movie so far. That isn't a lot to judge by.

And Beshte is still my favorite :smile
The Lion King is NOT a ripoff of Kimba the Crap Lion. This has long been debunked.
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: Ludichris1 on February 03, 2016, 06:56:22 PM
Some scenes and settings are  :huh:
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: WeirdRaptor on February 03, 2016, 08:09:43 PM
Wrong. The Lion King is NOT a ripoff of Kimba the Mediocre Lion.
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: DarkWolf91 on February 03, 2016, 11:58:12 PM
Quote from: WeirdRaptor,Feb 3 2016 on  08:09 PM
Wrong. The Lion King is NOT a ripoff of Kimba the Mediocre Lion.
Whether or not ideas were directly taken is, of course, a pointless debate, as the studio with the army of lawyers says they weren't. However, there are undeniable similarities between the two. And it isn't a bad thing at all. Idea pooling and influence are a big part of the creative arts. As prevalent as Tezuka's works were at the time, it is highly unlikely that Disney's artists weren't influenced by him in some way, and Tezuka's Kimba was, in turn, inspired by Bambi.

And you are really being pretty inflammatory for no reason that I can see. You don't like Kimba. Okay, got it. You don't like the Lion Guard either. Okay, that's cool. We all respect differences in opinion, and they can lead to interesting conversations. It is clear that you are not interested in conversation, though, as according to you the show is objectively 'trash.' So since you don't like the show, and you're not interested in having a conversation about it with people who disagree with you, why are you even posting in this thread? It is a legit question, not an accusation.
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: DarkHououmon on February 04, 2016, 09:30:07 AM
Speaking of the Kimba/TLK thing, I remember reading a long while back that, according to early concept art, Simba was supposed to be a white lion, and that one of the guys working on the movie thought that they were doing a Kimba remake. Whether or not they were is up for debate and, honestly, it's not all that important to really obsess over if this is the case or not.

What do I think? I do believe it's very possible that TLK was inspired by Kimba. There ae a number of similar scenes that it seems unlikely that they weren't influenced in some way. However, TLK is not a direct copy and has other influences put into it, such as Hamlet, to make it different from Kimba. So I don't see TLK as a 90s Kimba. Just as a 90s animation that drew inspirations from Kimba and other sources, but is still its own thing.

Back on topic with The Lion Guard, while it is not something that I'm personally fond of (for instance, Kion getting that roar 'power'), I don't really hate the show nor do I consider it trash personally. It's just not my taste. I consider it a relatively harmless show, even if I don't like some of the stuff about it.

However, if there is one thing about it that I am impressed by, is that they finally had a friendly hyena character. The beginning of this show seemed to paint them as just "kill them all" type of villains (even worse than how they were treated in the first film). So the fact that they did have an episode where Kion met a friendly hyena was certainly a plus to me.
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: WeirdRaptor on February 04, 2016, 01:00:33 PM
Quote from: DarkWolf91,Feb 3 2016 on  10:58 PM
Quote from: WeirdRaptor,Feb 3 2016 on  08:09 PM
Wrong. The Lion King is NOT a ripoff of Kimba the Mediocre Lion.
Whether or not ideas were directly taken is, of course, a pointless debate, as the studio with the army of lawyers says they weren't. However, there are undeniable similarities between the two. And it isn't a bad thing at all. Idea pooling and influence are a big part of the creative arts. As prevalent as Tezuka's works were at the time, it is highly unlikely that Disney's artists weren't influenced by him in some way, and Tezuka's Kimba was, in turn, inspired by Bambi.
Yes, someone on the project might have been influenced on a visual level, but not in terms of story. What few similarities there are between the two are so superficial and commonplace in other works as to be splitting hairs. Here's the question of the hour, though? Why? What's in it for Disney to ripoff some obscure anime that older audiences hadn't heard of in decades and their target demographic likely had never heard of at all? Their gig is to base stuff off of well-known fairy tales and folklore, like Cinderella and Beauty and the Beast.
Certainly not money, or so they thought before it became a huge hit. After all, The Lion King was originally thought to just be a placeholder film to tide audiences over for the true *ahem* classic of their generation, Pocahontas. The success of the film was unprecedented as far as the company was concerned, so there you go.

I can on and on about the numerous notable differences between the two AND I WILL if you pursue this. Really, the only thing the whole Lion King vs. Kimba argument has accomplished is making Disney fans loathe the latter.
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: Ludichris1 on February 04, 2016, 02:54:33 PM
I wouldn't ever say it's a ripoff or based on, I just acknowledge the inspired similarities and differences. I think that's what most anyone can expect in the matter.  :unsure:

edit: and thanks for the response DarkHououmon
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: WeirdRaptor on February 04, 2016, 07:20:50 PM
9 times out of 10, this is when the Kimba fans jump down my throat for daring to say that The Lion King didn't rip off their oh so precious anime that they likely wouldn't even be watching without the controversy. So I thank you for not doing that.
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: DarkWolf91 on February 05, 2016, 12:14:43 AM
Quote from: WeirdRaptor,Feb 4 2016 on  07:20 PM
9 times out of 10, this is when the Kimba fans jump down my throat for daring to say that The Lion King didn't rip off their oh so precious anime that they likely wouldn't even be watching without the controversy. So I thank you for not doing that.
Haha, there's no reason to jump down anyone's throat! I do apologize for using the word 'ripoff' in the first place, as it was rather strong, and not really what I meant. I enjoy both the Lion King and Kimba, they are very different, and products of different times. I just, like I said, feel pretty confident that a good few of the artists working on it likely drew inspiration from a show that was very popular when they were young. And, also as I said before, that's definitely not a bad thing.

And, back to the Lion Guard!
Has anyone seen the two more recent episodes yet? I found Bunga the Wise a little bit... obvious, but Can't Wait to be Queen was rather good! It was a nice push and pull between siblings, and showed a solid learning curve for both of them. I feel like they might actually be setting up a big and dramatic loss of confidence for Kiara somewhere down the road, but maybe that's just wishful thinking :lol It also had an interesting take on grief and responsibility with Simba's elephant funeral subplot. Have to say I enjoyed it :smile
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: bestariana1girl on February 05, 2016, 02:46:43 PM
Quote from: DarkWolf91,Feb 4 2016 on  10:14 PM
Quote from: WeirdRaptor,Feb 4 2016 on  07:20 PM
9 times out of 10, this is when the Kimba fans jump down my throat for daring to say that The Lion King didn't rip off their oh so precious anime that they likely wouldn't even be watching without the controversy. So I thank you for not doing that.
Haha, there's no reason to jump down anyone's throat! I do apologize for using the word 'ripoff' in the first place, as it was rather strong, and not really what I meant. I enjoy both the Lion King and Kimba, they are very different, and products of different times. I just, like I said, feel pretty confident that a good few of the artists working on it likely drew inspiration from a show that was very popular when they were young. And, also as I said before, that's definitely not a bad thing.

And, back to the Lion Guard!
Has anyone seen the two more recent episodes yet? I found Bunga the Wise a little bit... obvious, but Can't Wait to be Queen was rather good! It was a nice push and pull between siblings, and showed a solid learning curve for both of them. I feel like they might actually be setting up a big and dramatic loss of confidence for Kiara somewhere down the road, but maybe that's just wishful thinking :lol It also had an interesting take on grief and responsibility with Simba's elephant funeral subplot. Have to say I enjoyed it :smile
I have! Bunga really has to grow on me, so far I find him just a tadd annoying lol.

As for Can't Wait To Be Queen, I loved it!! I love seeing Kiara getting some attention after 18 years! The only thing is, in TLK 2 as a cub she wasn't that excited or happy of her royal responsibilities, and in this episode she was really excited.
Another thing is, I love Kion, but you could tell he got jealous with Kiara's short Queen title, and I found it annoying as he is able to start his responsibilities in The Lion Guard at a young age when Kiara gets a bunch of lessons and a quick period of being Queen. Kion should have been happy for her, and when she was giving his his first Decree ( DECREE OMGG lol) he should have been willing to, she wasn't that pushy. Of course this is a show all about Kion who is the protagonist, so I feel as if Disney wants to make Kiara an annoying older sister and Kion the cool sibling, which is upsetting because most kids don't even know Kiara technically was the protagonist of TLK 2, which half the viewers haven't seen/don't know exist.

Of course this is just my mindset since Kiara is my favorite, but Disney mostly has been doing a great job on keeping all the other characteristics & animation of Kiara accurate to TLK 2.
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: F-14 Ace on February 20, 2016, 01:19:31 PM
Ok, I read the basic premise of the show and watched a couple episodes and the show is overall just... meh.  I mean, most of the characters seem alright but the back story with Scar and the superpowers thing is laughable at best.  The back story also relies on Mufasa being a complete and total idiot for not realizing what was going on.  Also, while most of the characters seemed alright, Bunga annoys the mess out of me with his stupid catchphrase.  I never thought I could hate a honey badger so much!  Overall, I think I'll just pass on this.

EDIT: I also find it ridiculous how the hyenas are bad guys just because they try to eat other animals when the lions do pretty much the same thing.  Of course, that was also a flaw of the original movie.  Apparently the whole "circle of life" thing doesn't include hyenas.   In fact, the same can be said for pretty much any other predatory animal on the show.  It's ok for lions to hunt other animals because they're the designated "good guys".  That, and they're more marketable of course!
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: Ludichris1 on February 20, 2016, 02:38:00 PM
Hyenas aren't accepted into the pridelands because they don't accept the circle of life, which has a lot to do with balance. on countless occasions, even in the first movie, the hyenas have always wanted to eat and kill as much as they could, leaving the lands in ruin. So until enough hyenas change, that's just how things are gonna be
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: pokeplayer984 on February 20, 2016, 03:48:20 PM
^^Exactly!  The lions kill out of necessity while the hyenas kill for the sake of killing.  By only killing out of necessity, the lions ensure that the herds they feed on continue to have a healthy population so they can always have food.  However, the hyenas would rather kill everything in the belief there's more than enough food to go around, not realizing the folly in that belief.  By killing everything, there's nothing that will ensure the healthy growth and they would eventually run out.

Which one could argue happened in the original movie.  The lionesses were forced to hunt for the hyenas so much that the populations dwindled and forced the herds to leave to safer places so they could rebuild their numbers.

At least that's my theory in it all.
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: F-14 Ace on February 21, 2016, 02:57:40 PM
Quote from: pokeplayer984,Feb 20 2016 on  02:48 PM
Hyenas aren't accepted into the pridelands because they don't accept the circle of life, which has a lot to do with balance. on countless occasions, even in the first movie, the hyenas have always wanted to eat and kill as much as they could, leaving the lands in ruin. So until enough hyenas change, that's just how things are gonna be


 
I don't seem to recall them ever explaining that anywhere in the movie.  Sounds more like fan speculation to me.

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^^Exactly! The lions kill out of necessity while the hyenas kill for the sake of killing. By only killing out of necessity, the lions ensure that the herds they feed on continue to have a healthy population so they can always have food. However, the hyenas would rather kill everything in the belief there's more than enough food to go around, not realizing the folly in that belief. By killing everything, there's nothing that will ensure the healthy growth and they would eventually run out.

Which one could argue happened in the original movie. The lionesses were forced to hunt for the hyenas so much that the populations dwindled and forced the herds to leave to safer places so they could rebuild their numbers.

At least that's my theory in it all.

Really?  Because I could have sworn the lack of prey was caused by a drought or famine if the dried up riverbed and lack of vegetation is anything to go by.  Unless the hyenas somehow drank all the water and ate all the grass too.  Also, " the hyenas kill for the sake of killing." was never mentioned anywhere in the movie.
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: DarkWolf91 on February 23, 2016, 12:30:30 AM
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I don't seem to recall them ever explaining that anywhere in the movie. Sounds more like fan speculation to me.

It isn't detailed in the movie, but that's the explanation they give in the TV show. Janja's group is apparently composed of nontypical hyenas, if the episode with Jasiri can be taken at face value.

The more I watch, the more I'm starting to think this takes place in the middle of movie 2- after Kiara's initial contact with the outlanders, but before her first solo hunt. This also seems to tie in with the rumored re-appearance of the outland cubs, and Kiara's change in attitude from our earliest glimpse of her. It could also explain Kion's absence in that first part- he just wasn't born yet :p I guess we'll see what they decide to do with it :smile
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: Parker on March 07, 2016, 10:37:40 PM
Fun fact - Ford Riley, who is credited with writing seven episodes of The Lion Guard so far, apparently worked on The Land Before Time TV series. IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0727035/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr7) credits him as a "Developer" for 20 of the show's episodes, along with being a story editor and writer.

I only found out about The Lion Guard recently, but what I've seen of it looks fun and entertaining. As a fan of 2D animation, the show's strong visuals are a real treat -- an example of what modern 2D Disnney animation can look like in an era when it's been overshadowed by the likes of Tangled and Frozen. Don't get me wrong -- I like those movies fine enough. But there's undeniable nostalgia in seeing old-school Disney visuals shine again with a modern sheen.

For a Disney Junior show, The Lion Guard at least tries to include a sense of action and danger in its plots. Take this fight (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJJ5fCg2sCM) with the Hyenas, for example. It certainly seems to take itself more seriously than Jake and the Never Land Pirates or Sofia the First. Those shows are blatantly aimed at a much younger audience than their theatrical source material. Compared to them, The Lion Guard feels much closer in tone and aesthetic to the actual Lion King.

There are delightful characters like Jasiri who expand the world of The Lion King and plenty of fun songs, even if some are a bit too inoffensive. Forgive the blasphemy, but I actually like Sisi ni Sawa a good deal more than Hakuna Matata. The show probably introduces continuity issues between it and The Lion King 2, but I'd be lying if I said I cared a whole awful lot about that.

As for the earlier Lion King vs Kimba discussion, I think it's more than possible that Disney borrowed from the legendary Osamu Tezuka's work, and that is in no way a bad thing. The inspiration lifted from Tezuka's manga is fairly innocent -- the lion-shaped clouds (http://40.media.tumblr.com/0b8803d8c012ba3be4c73da5b056d486/tumblr_n1za5qgokv1tu1fv2o2_r1_1280.jpg) and the Pride Rock (http://magweasel.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/IMG_00031.jpg) iconography being examples. Disney added more than enough to make its story stand on its own, without ripping off Kimba. Heck, the movie's plot borrows more from Hamlet, something hardly anyone blames it for compared to the overwrought Kimba controversy.
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: RockingScorpion on October 15, 2016, 06:50:45 PM
Today I decided to give the "movie" a shot where the explain what's up what with the lion guard and then watched the first episode. What can I say, I'll definitely watch more episodes. I'm hooked. :)littlefoot

Sisi ni sawa, we are the same ♫
(That'll be stuck in my head for quite a while probably. :D )
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: Hypno on July 21, 2017, 02:33:35 PM
Gave the movie and the first two episodes a shot - and I like them. I like Jasiri the female hyena, and also two of the main characters, Kion and Fuli. I also like Janga, just as I liked Banzai in TLK. Not sure who's my favorite of the two as of yet. Makuu's an antagonist I like as well.
Bunga is pissing me off though. "Zuka sawa" "un-bunga-lievable" shut up!!! He gets so annoying, but he can be funny at times.
I'm glad to hear that the Outlanders pack from TLK 2 is in this one, and that Mufasa isn't left behind, neither is Simba or Nala, so I'll keep watching for sure :D
But Sarabi's still missing since TLK (I'm not counting the 1 and a half cameo). Bummer.

Also, there's a second season airing now and there's been a few episodes aired so far. Apparently Kion's gonna summon the ghost of Scar or something in the next episode airing, so I'm not sure what's gonna happen there. The second season also apparently is taking place in the dry season or something, I heard.

A third season is also in production :yes
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: Sovereign on July 22, 2017, 11:04:14 AM
I also watched the film and reeled through a few episodes and I wasn't too impressed. The film's storyline could have worked but the main characters and the world weren't powerful enough. Kion was completely neutral as was Fuli but Beshte and especially Bunga ruined everything. Beshte was merely annoying and stupid but every time Bunga appears on the screen, I get the powerful urge to turn off my computer. Ono was the only character I really liked because I found his attitude and voice well done but he alone isn't worth watching the show imo. There just wasn't too much positive going on at any time.
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: Hypno on July 22, 2017, 02:29:30 PM
Yeah :unsure:
And I'm starting to not like Janja so much...he's like Red Claw, easily defeated.
Title: The Lion Guard
Post by: DarkWolf91 on July 22, 2017, 10:21:03 PM
Yeah, it's turning out to be a bit of a disappointment. It was a big opportunity to expand the TLK lore, but they're really just... not doing anything with it. Some of the episodes are good, but most are forgettable. And they haven't had a good song since "Sisi ni sawa."