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Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on May 17, 2007, 06:47:26 PM
Hi everyone!

The Gang of Five just finished singing their latest LBT song!
Problem is we're not sure what song to sing next!  Remember, that the "Gang of Five" includes you as well!

I'm taking requests for our next song.  The most-requested song will be our next project!
The Catch?  You must be willing to sing in the song which you have requested! B)  :p  For details about the singing process, see this topic:
http://z7.invisionfree.com/thegangoffive/i...?showtopic=1506 (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=1362)

The singing process is very casual and mainly for fun. The finished song will be kept online on a permanent basis for anyone with the link to the song to download.  Mainly, this will include members from our own Gang of Five board and members of the LBT community who come across this board.

I'll accept (almost) any LBT song request from any of the films or TV episodes.  Once we agree on a song, I'll need a couple of weeks to prepare the music for us. We'll work out the rest of the project once we get there.  For now, let the requests begin!
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 17, 2007, 07:43:45 PM
I would be willing to sing the song "always there".  The thing is I do not know how good a singer I am (what you sound like in your head is never what you sound like to the rest of the world).  I would have to sing this song in the RV as it is the only place I can be in private which has certain difficulties.  I would have to use my old laptop since I do not have a computer in the RV.  My laptop isn't great.  It has a 1.8GHZ processor with only 512MB ram.  Is this sufficient?  I would really like to sing this song with a couple of other people.  I will be able to filter out the noise of the cars with my special noise editing program I paid a crapload for.  I have done this many times since the RV is my personal "LBT hut". :lol
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: DarkHououmon on May 17, 2007, 08:22:41 PM
Wasn't Always There already done?
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 17, 2007, 09:03:43 PM
Oops!  Yes it was.  I forgot about that.  Oh well.  I would also like to sing "We will always be your friends".  I don't believe that one has been done yet.  I might be willing to participate in other songs if I am able to.  I know that there is no way I will be able to sing "things change" or other songs like that.  I just can't hit the notes.  Anyway, I have only tried singing these two songs so I don't know if I will be able to do any of the others.  I must say however that I am pretty good at these two songs.  That's why I said always there without thinking first.  I will try the other songs soon and see if I can do them.  I have them all memorized except the ones on lbt 11.  I have only seen that one once since I found it so bad.  Anyway, I'm off to try big water.  I'll inform you of the results.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Weather_lord_7 on May 17, 2007, 09:09:49 PM
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm



How about either (hope they haven't been done)


The LBT Theme Song from the show

or

Bestest Friends


Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Petrie. on May 17, 2007, 09:11:31 PM
Best of Friends?  I know unofficially I had sent Tim some recordings about that song but we've never done a group one of that song.  I'd join in for that one.  Which version though--the movie version or Olivia Newton-John version?  I like that latter more than the former.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 17, 2007, 09:23:02 PM
So long as we don't have to sing like petrie.  That would be too wierd.  Singing "But this me do believe" made my stomach turn when I sang it.  I would prefer the movie version so long as none of us have to sing that line.  If not, I would prefer the end credits version.  Either way, I hope I can get a piece of the action!
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 17, 2007, 10:19:29 PM
Wow.  I just ripped the vocal aspects from the song and just listened to the instruments and I must say that singing along to the movies in sync is near impossible with this song.  There are almost no areas where there is distinguishable tones so if you lose your pace, it would be near impossible to pick up again.  this song is going to be hard but I'm up to the challenge.  I sang along without the characters and experienced an average of a 1.2 second delay between when you're supposed to say the lines.  I think I'll be able to get it though with enough practice.




Here.  Listen to it:

NOTE:  I don't know what happened but photobucket didn't name it right.  It's not my backwards movie as it says it is.

http://s203.photobucket.com/albums/aa146/t...testFriends.flv (http://s203.photobucket.com/albums/aa146/tlordame/?action=view&current=BestestFriends.flv)
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: pokeplayer984 on May 17, 2007, 10:59:07 PM
Quote from: landbeforetimelover,May 17 2007 on  08:03 PM
Oops!  Yes it was.  I forgot about that.  Oh well.  I would also like to sing "We will always be your friends".  I don't believe that one has been done yet.  I might be willing to participate in other songs if I am able to.  I know that there is no way I will be able to sing "things change" or other songs like that.  I just can't hit the notes.  Anyway, I have only tried singing these two songs so I don't know if I will be able to do any of the others.  I must say however that I am pretty good at these two songs.  That's why I said always there without thinking first.  I will try the other songs soon and see if I can do them.  I have them all memorized except the ones on lbt 11.  I have only seen that one once since I found it so bad.  Anyway, I'm off to try big water.  I'll inform you of the results.
The first title you gave as a request is called, "Bestest Friends" and the second you requested is called, "Everything Changes".

I would be happy to participate in either one myself.  I'll request those as well. :)
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 18, 2007, 12:26:52 AM
I have a question.  If we end up doing "things change", who will sing cera's line "all at once things change".  I doubt anyone here can sing that very well.  I certainly can't! :lol   I can hit the note, but after that, I am unable to continue for some reason.  My voice just goes.  I can sing the line quite well, I just can't get past it.  It will be interesting to see who will do that line and how good they can do it.  I look foreward to it!


Oh.  And to clear up some confusion, the song is called Things Change:


(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa146/tlordame/vlcsnap-170555.png)
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Malte279 on May 18, 2007, 02:20:24 AM
We are not parting the songs among ourselves before the singing. Everyone has to sing the entire song (much better for the right timing as well) and it is later on decided who does which part.
I would like to sing "Beyond the Mysterious Beyond" if others like this song too.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Dash The Longneck on May 18, 2007, 08:48:31 AM
I would do "bestest friends" or "Things change." The only thing I'm lacking right now is a Microphone. But I will get one real soon.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 18, 2007, 11:19:22 AM
You can increace microphone quality by up to 439% if you apply magnets near the middle of the wire inside the microphone.  Do not touch the actual microphone sound entry point!  This will ruin the microphone.  This makes it so there isn't so much background noise and decreases the microphones sensitivity.  You must take the recording and put it through an enhancement program like magix audio cleaning and enhancment to get the audio volume to an acceptable level though.

NOTE:  the magnets don't need to be powerful to work.  they just need to be able to attract electrons or somehing like that.  I don't remember but we did this in computer class and it worked pretty well.  I just cut up a picture frame magnet on the fridge and it worked just fine.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on May 18, 2007, 10:13:54 PM
Wow, there was actually quite a bit of talk in this thread!   :wow

From the looks of things, our current situation is:

LBTlover: "Things Change" or "Bestest Friends"
Weather_lord_7: LBT TV Theme song or "Bestest Friends"
Petrie: Bestest Friends
Pokeplayer: "Things Change" or "Bestest Friends"
Malte: "Beyond the Mysterious Beyond"
Dash the Longneck: "Things Change" or "Bestest Friends"
Action9000: "Beyond the Mysterious Beyond" or "Bestest Friends"

which brings the request totals (and number of volunteer voices) so far to:
Bestest Friends: 6
Things Change: 3
Beyond the Mysterious Beyond: 2
LBT TV Theme Song: 1

Looks like our next song will be Bestest Friends, featuring the following members:
LBTlover
Weather_lord_7
Petrie
pokeplayer
malte
dash the longneck
action9000

Malte, if you sing with us, this will be the song with the most vocalists in the history of the Gang of Five! :D

We're still accepting newcomers to sing Bestest Friends with us (This means you LF1616!  You know you want to!), but the Gang of Five has Spoken for song choice. B)

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Which version though--the movie version or Olivia Newton-John version? I like that latter more than the former.
From my perspective, there isn't a great deal of difference.  If you would prefer the lyrics from the Olivia Newton-John version, that's fine with me.  My lyrics site has both versions written out in full.  The main difference between the songs is the number of singers, followed by small changes in the lyrics.  I plan to use the music I've already produced for Bestest Friends, no matter which version of the song we use (unless it Really doesn't work out for some reason).

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I would prefer the movie version so long as none of us have to sing that line.
The two versions of the songs are so similar that if we are to avoid this line, we may as well sing the Olivia Newton-John rendition.

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Wow. I just ripped the vocal aspects from the song and just listened to the instruments and I must say that singing along to the movies in sync is near impossible with this song. There are almost no areas where there is distinguishable tones so if you lose your pace, it would be near impossible to pick up again.
The easiest way to avoid getting lost is to get to know the original song very well, to the point where the timing just comes naturally.  A more technical way around this issue would be to count and subdivide the beats of the music in your head and remember at which point in which beat each line starts.  Nearly impossible?  I think not. B)   I've had to count tougher stuff than that in my high school band.  

Here's a snapshot of some of the sheet music of the first verse.  the highlighted blue staff is Petrie's rhythm.  The staff 2 below the blue one is Ducky.  It's really not all that complex, yet I suppose I would call this section the most complex rhythm in the song (roughly 56 Beats per minute where the quarter note gets the value of 1 beat.  There's also an F# in the key signature.)
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h141/action9000/bestestfriends1stverse.jpg)

For this song, I plan to set aside the most rhythmically-complex parts to a single singer.  Getting multiple amatuer voices in sync on an overly complex rhythm when the singers can't even hear each other...I'm not going there!  I'll keep the group singing mainly to the choruses.
The overall result for you, as a singer, is this:
1) In the verses, feel free to generally be expressive but please try to start each of the lines at close to the correct time or it will be difficult for me to switch voices mid-verse.
2) In the choruses, please focus on keeping your timing fairly strict so we will sound together.  If you try to get too expressive with the timing on the choruses, it will sound like a jumble unless we're all expressive in the exact same way.  For the sake of simplicity, I say we try to remain as strict as possible in the choruses (unless we all agree that we want to try some fancy schmancy expressive stuff on the choruses, in which case, let the choreography begin! LOL :lol )
General rule: Try not to be too expressive with the timing, for the sake of staying together.

If you would prefer, I will release a version of the music with instrumental parts playing along to the melody and rhythm of the original vocalists.  It makes no difference to me whether you want these melody instruments as guidance or not: I just need to mute or unmute a few (well, about 10) tracks in the studio project file.  I'll post up both versions (instrumental melody and no audible melody) and you may sing to whichever version you find easier.   I will have the music posted up soon.  I need to reboot my computer in 3 GB mode in order to load the project is all, so I've been a bit lazy. :P:

Just for fun, here's a small chunk of a piece I had to play on trumpet in grade 11.  Note the rhythm complexity and REALLY fast tempo (180 Beats per minute)!  By comparison, I consider Bestest Friends quite easy. :lol
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h141/action9000/PoseidonTrumpet2.jpg)
(apologies for terrible quality!)
In case you're curious, here's an mp3 I just made up of the entire trumpet part I had to play (this MP3 is played by my computer)
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...165C58F2FFFBAE0 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=0165C58F2FFFBAE0)

I'd still say it's a bit tougher rhythmically than Bestest Friends.  If I can do this, you can sing Bestest Friends.  I have faith in you. B)  :yes

So one last bit of voting:
Do we want to sing to the movie's lyrics, or Olivia Newton-John's lyrics?
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Weather_lord_7 on May 19, 2007, 01:24:54 AM
OK, how does one sing over the internets? Sorry to sound noobish, but I'm just curious. Also, I'm worried my singing could compare to Woundwort singing  :lol

But I'm willing to give it a shot, thing is, I'll need to know what to do & all that.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on May 19, 2007, 01:31:15 AM
There is a link to the details about singing earlier on the first post in this topic, but here's the basic idea:

I will post an mp3 of the music that we will be singing to.  Every singer will download this mp3 music.  

(Important: use headphones so the microphone doesn't pick up the music playing please!)

Play the mp3 and sing the song (while recording using some recording program.  I recommend Goldwave 4.26) completely through, in time with the music.  Send your recording to me and I will mix the voice into the music (I'm doing the mixing because I have the source music and associated project files, so it's easier for me to mix since I can control the level of every note of every instrument).

(IMPORTANT: Please, Please sing to the Mp3 that I post up.  Do NOT sing along to the original song or you WILL be out of synch when your recording meets my music.)

Once all the singers are mixed in with the music, I'll post the finished song back up for all to hear.

[EDIT] We have a couple of choices here.  I have an mp3 of Bestest Friends which is useable to sing to...or we can wait for me to re-arrange the music and make it generally more interesting (ideally :lol ).  At this moment, the arrangement sounds a little elementary (and the piano part about 1/3 to 1/2 the way through the song is driving me insane, playing the same note a billion times!) but I'm willing to work with it if the singers are!
I'll post up the current Mp3 and you can let me know what you think:
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...E24146E3ADF27B1 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=FE24146E3ADF27B1)
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Malte279 on May 19, 2007, 05:07:53 AM
Make that "possibly" a yes. You know that there are few LBT songs I wouldn't want to sing.
As for the version of the song we are going to sing I'm strongly in favor of the actual movie rather than the closing credits version.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on May 19, 2007, 05:10:51 AM
Good to hear, Malte. ;) I figured you would say that, however since you didn't explicitly vote for Bestest friends, I didn't want to speak for you.

Anyways, that's one vote for the Movie version!  Any other votes?
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 19, 2007, 05:44:51 AM
So let me get this straight.  You don't want us to record the music when we sing.  You want us to use headphones and sing to your version that has no voices in it so you will just recieve a file with nothing but our voices and no music of any kind?  I just want to make sure you don't want me to play the music minus the vocal aspects and sing along to it while listening to the real movie version with the words through the headphones.  Also, what format do you want the music file to be in?  I can do it in literally any format you specify.  Would you like it in mp3, wav, wmpa, or what?  I would also like to add thet i'm for the movie version all the way.  Sorry, but the end credits version just doesn't appeal to me very much.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on May 19, 2007, 05:49:25 AM
As I said before, I set up a topic that covers all the necessary information about the LBT song projects:
http://z7.invisionfree.com/thegangoffive/i...?showtopic=1506 (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=1362)

As for a quick answer to your question:
any of the following are acceptable:

192 kb/s (or higher bitrate) Mp3 or WMA, 44.1 kHz Mono (stereo is okay but it just wastes space)

.wav, 16-bit signed, 44.1 kHz Mono (again, stereo is okay but wastes space)
24 bit is okay but I will have to reduce it to 16-bit eventually for compatibility reasons.  32-bit is no good.  I can't play 32-bit audio on my computer.

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You want us to use headphones and sing to your version that has no voices in it so you will just recieve a file with nothing but our voices and no music of any kind?
Correct, I would like Only your voice.  I'll handle the music part. B)

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just want to make sure you don't want me to play the music minus the vocal aspects and sing along to it while listening to the real movie version with the words through the headphones.
Also correct.  I am actually re-writing all of the music for our songs.  Think "MIDI files on steroids" and you have a pretty good idea of what I'm doing on my end.  It takes a lot of work to get a decent result, but it's worth it. B)
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 19, 2007, 06:06:01 AM
Okay.  I'll start practicing tomarrow.  I'll wait for the file from you before recording it though.  This is going to be great!
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on May 19, 2007, 06:18:10 AM
Cool!  :wow
By the way, here is a preliminary Mp3 of our music which I have written up.  
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...E24146E3ADF27B1 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=FE24146E3ADF27B1)

We can use this for our final song if we choose, but personally I think it still needs a LOT of work!  I'll continue tweaking it but feel free to sing along and send me your recordings with this one at any time. :yes
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 19, 2007, 06:25:16 AM
The link doesn't work.  It just takes me to my account.  Just out of curiosity, why don't you split the lbt 10 movie so it just includes the song, then convert it to mp3 and use an audio ripper to take the characters voices out of it?  I did this and it turned out great!  The music was in sync with the origional song.  It would save you a lot of trouble and I have the mp3 file.  You want it?  This way, people could sing along to the origional song and still be in sync.  I think this would improve singing quality a bunch!  As it is now, there is no way I will be able to sing that song in sync!  I can't tell the music parts when I watch the movie so I can't even recognize when the piano parts are coming up.  I think the dvd ripper didn't do something right.  I threw away the origionals as to hide them and only have a copy on my pc.  The dialog is much louder than the music and I can't distinguish them.  I will have to sing along with the characters with headphones on in order to do this correctly.  Can we use my file?  It's just the three minutes or so in the video minus the video aspect and character voices and in an mp3 format.  If mp3 is a problem, I can make it into any other format.  The file is about 3 megabytes.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 19, 2007, 09:25:03 AM
Here is the file.  It is an EXACT replica of the soundtrack and music of "we will always be your friends" without the characters voices.  Couldn't you put everyone's voices onto here action9000 so we could all sing to the origional song?  I think people will get a better sense of the tune and everything if they are singing along with the characters but the recording doesn't pick it up (they will be wearing headphones).  This soundtrack has the exact same tempo and everything.  Here.  You'll have to download it but it's only 3.5MB:





http:// [url=http://www.yousendit.com/download/UW13N3RlcTJlaFEwTVE9PQ]http://www.yousendit.com/download/UW13N3RlcTJlaFEwTVE9PQ
[/url]
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 19, 2007, 09:56:11 AM
Crap.  I used a stupid demo program so I could only get 1min23sec but I used a new program now and the quality is a lot better unfortunately, it is nearly 7MB.  It's a lot better though:



http:// [url=http://www.yousendit.com/download/UW13N3RZQTZJMHMwTVE9PQ]http://www.yousendit.com/download/UW13N3RZQTZJMHMwTVE9PQ[/url]


It might be able to be improved upon.  I have a very sophisticated music editing program I have never used before.  Perhaps I will run it through there.  I will look into it today if I have the time.  My mom wants me to go to a swap meet with her  :x so I might not have the time.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 19, 2007, 10:00:11 AM
Oh.  I forgot to mention that the song is missing 2.7 seconds at the end but it's bearly noticable.  That was as close as I could get unfortunately.  Should I add like echo and surround sound effects to make it sound better and perhaps to cover up our lack of singing skill?
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on May 19, 2007, 03:16:02 PM
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Just out of curiosity, why don't you split the lbt 10 movie so it just includes the song, then convert it to mp3 and use an audio ripper to take the characters voices out of it?

A few reasons:
1) That doesn't work on every song.  I tried it for Beyond the Mysterious Beyond in the past.  That particular song has traces of the character's voices in the Left and Right channels for sound enhancement.  As a result, I couldn't simply remove the Center channel and get good results.  Also, I could only get it to work "reasonably well" with 5.1 audio tracks since I could remove the center track using a multichannel audio editor like Audition.

2) Any software that removes vocal frequencies  will remove other elements of the sound.  The .wav that you provided me is such low quality that I can't determine whether your program did so or not.   Any software the removes simply the mono "Center" sounds has a chance to remove some instrumental frequencies OR leave some vocals behind (as in the case Beyond the Mysterious Beyond).
In short, what program did you use to do this?  I haven't found any that work extremely well.  Audition gave me the best results but it relied on multichannel audio (which thankfully LBT 10 has.  Not every LBT film does, however).

3) I like to add my own touch to our music, which is MUCH more difficult when working with an original track.  Then my only options are to add more layers: I can't edit, tweak, or remove existing layers when they're "hard coded" into a .wav together.  In the case of If We Hold On Together, I basically re-arranged the entire song specifically for our Gang of Five rendition.  I just like to have that option.

4) The program I used to edit multichannel audio was a free trial and has expired on me.

5) Simply copying the music seems a bit like a cop-out to me.  Sure it's easier, but then I feel the GoF can take less credit for the song as a whole.  I like to be proud of the fact that we did everything on our own in the past.

Except for the fact that the music you sent me is compressed severely, it sounds like it worked fairly well.  I tried a similar technique on a couple of other songs but the results weren't *perfect* (the Left and Right channels both had slight echoing of the original voices)...but anyways, it looks like for this particular song it is possible to fully remove vocals.


Could you send me a fully-useable version of the music?  a 192kb/s (or higher) mp3 will suffice I think.  This .wav you sent me is very poor quality, 11kHz (Winamp says 353 kb/s).
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I forgot to mention that the song is missing 2.7 seconds at the end but it's bearly noticable
Also, I would Really appreciate it if you could capture the Entire song (not cutting out the beginning nor ending).  Thanks.  I must disagree with the fact that it's barely noticeable; it chops right off.  Don't force me to fade out the song because we don't have an ending! :lol

Oh, and about the link?
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...E24146E3ADF27B1 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=FE24146E3ADF27B1)
Fixed. B)
Like I say, this is far from perfect but we can use it if the singers want to.  If the singers are okay with waiting for me to update it, I personally would like to do so.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 19, 2007, 04:14:12 PM
Well I used Yogen at first but it sucked.  It simply dampened the vharacters voices and make petrie sound like he had a cold!  I eventuall used a program called advavced audio ripper(I think.  The computer the program is on is not here right now).  Anyway, I ran the song through a enhancement program and it seems to be a lot better than it was.  I converted it to an mp3 but I have no idaa what rate it's at.  Also, if you have a trial program, I could convert it to a full version for free.  What's it called and what version is it?  In short, I mildly enhanced it but I don't have very good judgement when it comes to music editing.  Perhaps you could enhance it farther if possible.  If you need additional programs, just tell me and I'll give you some if I can.  As for the ending, I can either take about 3seconds off or have like 15 additional seconds.  Do you have a audio splitter?  Should I record it again with a little too much?

Here's the song by the way:



http://download.yousendit.com/10B720AB14CBDAA8 (http://download.yousendit.com/10B720AB14CBDAA8)

I think it lacks bass.  It would sound a lot better with a lot more bass.  I used a hardware bass enhancer an it sounded perfect.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on May 19, 2007, 04:23:58 PM
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Here's the song by the way:



http://download.yousendit.com/10B720AB14CBDAA8 (http://download.yousendit.com/10B720AB14CBDAA8)

I think it lacks bass. It would sound a lot better with a lot more bass. I used a hardware bass enhancer an it sounded perfect.
Ouch...I believe it lacks a lot more than bass, my friend.

Even with good file quality, the music lacks clarity, is full of artifacts and is unpleasant to listen to.  Even if it is possible to get this twice as clear, it is still unacceptable and much lower-quality than anything we can produce manually.  Thank you for trying though.  Vocal removal is still in its infancy.  If this, or even significantly better than this, is the best we can do at this point, it's not good enough.  I believe our results will still sound much better using the Gang of Five's original music, produced by lossless, high-performance audio software.  Any editting to this one would just distort it more.  It's basically useless, I'm afraid.
Admittedly it's much quicker to produce but the quality is so poor, it's almost not worth singing if we're going to use music of this quality.

For fun, here's a vocal-removal I did for Beyond the Mysterious Beyond.  It removes almost all vocals while preserving about 99.999% of the quality.  Problem: Tiny echos of the vocals are left in the far-left and far-right channels.
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...33450952F0106D1 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=633450952F0106D1)
I thought you found some magic solution to get this music clarity while totally removing vocals.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 19, 2007, 05:41:33 PM
I bet I could get all of the vocals out.  I sang along with the song I created just for fun.  It sounded okay.  I played the audio too loud so my voice is a little hard to hear but I can make it better and will, just for my own personal use.  Sorry.  I sound like I got a cold because I don't want to wake my cousin who was also in the room.  He sleeps til 4pm on weekends!  It was okay overall though:



http://download.yousendit.com/34291E485655375F (http://download.yousendit.com/34291E485655375F)
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 19, 2007, 05:54:11 PM
I don't know if I'll be able to sing along with your song.  I just don't know when to sing.  I have tried about 40 times and I keep messing it up.  I'll keep trying though but I may not be able to since in my lbt 10 video, you can bearly hear the piano music.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on May 19, 2007, 06:14:06 PM
Don't give up just yet! :lol:  :lol

This may help you a bit.  It's my music with musical instruments playing the melody.  It may help you keep your place.

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...1F6D57153C00526 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=71F6D57153C00526)
Give this a shot.  If it doesn't help, I'm sure we can find a way to help you out.  Last song, Malte waited until Petrie (our Petrie, not the LBT petrie) sang.  I put Petrie into the song and gave that version to Malte, who was then able to keep his place in the song because he could hear Petrie singing to it.

There's always a solution, we just need time to find one. B)
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Malte279 on May 19, 2007, 06:35:13 PM
Hey LBT-Lover, you have a really very good voice! I didn't hear that cold you are claiming :)
Please sing along with us. It would be a pity if you didn't. The first singing project is always the "scariest" :lol:
As for the timing it is a lot easier to sing along with a recording that already has a voice in it (it is what I had to do in case of "lone dinosaur") as it was difficult for me to keep the right pace with that song.
It would be cool to have you with us :yes
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on May 19, 2007, 06:35:22 PM
I just had to add this in LBTlover:
You basically knocked me out of my chair with your singing; it was just that good! :wow
Based on how you were going on about not being able to keep time and whatnot, I didn't expect such an amazing performance but you sure showed me!  And by the way, your timing is ROCK-SOLID in the version you recorded.   If you can even come Close to that while singing to our music, you'll be the star of the song!
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 19, 2007, 07:52:23 PM
Thanks a lot for the new song.  I can definently do it with that!  I really didn't think I was that good but I guess I was wrong.  I can sing this song around 20 different ways and I don't know which one sounds the best.  I guess I'll let you guys decide.  Also, I think that songs like the bad one I made were good because I have $400 headphones and $1000 speakers so I guess anything sounds good.  I plugged in a standard set of $20 speakers (which is what most people have) and listened to the song I made that cut out the characters voices and it sounded like crap!  I guess I just don't know when something sounds bad because anything sounds good on my expensive equipment.  I would never have posted the song I made by cutting out the characters voices if I knew how bad it really sounded when played on a standard set of speakers.  Sorry if I was a bit pushy with my idea.  I just thought it sounded great but now I know how you and the rest of the normal world percieve it, I agree with you.  It's absolutely awful unless you have really expensive speakers.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on May 19, 2007, 08:42:41 PM
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I guess I just don't know when something sounds bad because anything sounds good on my expensive equipment.
I'm personally working on a set of $200 headphones and $800 speakers and the quality was still bad. :lol  Mind you, the equipment is designed for studio monitoring so they *should* show flaws in a piece of music.  That's why I bought em. :p I'm truly surprised that you didn't hear the huge amount of distortion on your expensive gear.  Ideally elements of music should be MORE obvious with better gear, not more hidden.   I've taken 6 years of music and spent a lot of years critically listening to digital audio, so I'm used to it.  I suspect you've been busier with the computers themselves than worried about audio stuff.

Anyways though, if your microphone is as expensive as your speakers I'm Really curious to hear what this will sound like!  My $80 microphone sounds pretty dang good and you probably have a better one than mine.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 19, 2007, 11:33:28 PM
I actually built my microphone from a kit.  The guy said that it was origionally a $200 microphone and I spent $60 for the kit.  I have no idea if what he says it true.  As for the quality thing on my speakers, I play it in a player that is supposed to filter out bad things automatically (I just found out today that it automatically does this).  It was made by my hacker friend and he just told me today that he programmed it to do that.  Perhaps that's why it sounded so good to me.  Also, I didn't connect the crap speakers to my main computer, I played the file on another computer using WMP11.  I guess it wasn't the speakers that made it sound good, it was the program because I just played the song on WMP11 using my good speakers and it sounded bad.


Oh and by the way, you are corrrect.  This is my first day really screwing around with audio in my life.  I have never even recorded myself before today.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 20, 2007, 01:50:57 AM
Okay.  I sang the song leaving out everything but my voice.  I hope this is what you wanted.  I am losing my voice though.  I got in a big fight with my mom and my throat really hurts from screaming so I may not sound my best.  What do you think?  Did I sound okay?  Should I redo it?



http://download.yousendit.com/9F8B1ABF31B7BEE9 (http://download.yousendit.com/9F8B1ABF31B7BEE9)
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 20, 2007, 01:57:16 AM
I also wanted to tell ya all that my master computer's graphics card just pooped out.  It will take longer to do things with my other computer.  I will attempt to replace the video card in a few days but until then, I am weak.  SO WEAK!  I can't do anything with a 3.6ghz computer!  God this sucks.  I am also unable to work on my lby comic or my lbt book or my backwards lbt movies until I can get a replacement graphics card.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on May 20, 2007, 02:19:42 AM
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I can't do anything with a 3.6ghz computer!
Oh, how I wish I had that problem...
I'm trying to work on pro-quality audio applications with a single-core 3.00 GHz computer.  I'm looking to upgrade soon but I'm stuck for now.

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Okay. I sang the song leaving out everything but my voice. I hope this is what you wanted. I am losing my voice though. I got in a big fight with my mom and my throat really hurts from screaming so I may not sound my best. What do you think? Did I sound okay? Should I redo it?
Your singing is awesome, first-rate!  What concerns me is the sound quality.  I know it isn't my speakers because I can listen to any song or audio recording and hear things clearly.

Did you apply some sort of noise-reduction or effects to your recording?  It sounds like you tried to remove hiss and ended up cutting out half of your voice in the process.  There is no high end, there is no crystal-clarity.  Even a $30 mic should be able to record better than this, which makes me think you attempted to remove some sort of background noise but were too aggressive with your settings.

Could you let me know what sort of environmeny you're recording in?  Is it noisy?  Is there some inherant noise that will get into your recordings no matter what?  Do you have a very poor-quality sound card?  I hate to spoil your voice by using such poor quality.  By comparison, here's a clip of my singing:
It's the beginning of No One Has To Be Alone:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...9C53D673F25E627 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=09C53D673F25E627)
Any chance of getting your recording as clear and rich  as this?  I know this is far from perfect but I think it's fairly clear.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 20, 2007, 02:50:26 AM
I feel your pain man!  Only 3ghz?!  I would have to blow all of my money and buy a new computer.  I have no idea how good my sound card is - never thought of it before.  It's just the cheapest on at bestbuy so I think it's pretty bad.  I did use some techniques to remove hissing and stuff.  I live on a busy street and you can hear the cars go by no matter what unless you're in the bathroom - in which case it echo's and turns out pretty bad.  The enhanced version is A LOT better than the origional.  The origional has so many background noises and hisses that it makes you cringe while listening to it.  I am not very good at this new program I got to remove background noises and stuff.  I don't really know how to use it.  I found it at a garage sale today for $2 and I don't know what half of the stuff means.  It didn't come with any instructions at all so I am at a loss. :(  I don't really use the computers too much - it's much more fun to fix them.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on May 20, 2007, 03:51:09 AM
Hmm...that's going to present an interesting problem...

What about the RV you mentioned earlier?  can you go in there?  Also, if you turn the gain down on your microphone a little bit, you can reduce background noise.  If it's honestly that noisy where you live that you can't even record yourself, there's something wrong.  How do you even sleep at night? ;)
If I were in that situation, I'd be moving, as soon as possible!  Actually I wouldn't even buy a house with that much noise around it.  Surely it can't be that bad.  Turn down your microphone and try again.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on May 20, 2007, 04:00:23 AM
Also, I have previous experience with noise reduction and audio programs.  If you want to let me handle that part, I'm okay with it.  You're the first person who has tried to correct their recordings before sending them off to me.  Everyone else has left all the noise reduction and whatnot to me, previously.  I actually prefer that so then I can compare how much noise exists along with the music, how much I actually have to remove, and how much I can remove before breaking the voice.

As for my personal preference for audio editting/noise reduction:
Goldwave 4.26.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 20, 2007, 04:03:59 AM
The house was free.  We sleep by listening to music at night (LBT music for me).  You get used to it.  The RV is closer to the road then the house and is a ton louder.  Perhaps I'll record at like 2am when there isn't much traffic.  Perhaps I didn't build the microphone right.  It is super sensitive.  As it is, I have to hold it about three feet away from my mouth so it doesn't distort.  I will have to try the free mic that came with my pc.  It isn't nearly that sensitive.  As for the house, we live on an island which has only one road that goes through all the way.  We live about ten feet from that road and everyone who goes on or off the island travels it so it has almost constant traffic.  I will try something differnet but not until morning.  It is after all 1am.  I'm just too tired.  I wouldn't normally be so tired at this time  except I have been up for several days (I lost count) and can barely stay awake to type this.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on May 20, 2007, 04:05:31 AM
haha no worries.  I'll catch ya later. B)
G'night.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 20, 2007, 04:11:45 AM
Wow.  That's pretty mean.  They didn't even ask you if you wanted to do the noise reduction and stuff, they just expected you to do that?  I always try to make other people's life easier if I can.  I just thought that you shouldn't have to do my work and I would never just expect someone to do this for me.  It is after all my recording.  I do think that you could do a much better job than me though at doing this stuff.  I'm not very good at this.  I suppose you want the origional recording and not the one I posted here is that correct?  I must warn you, it's pretty bad.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 20, 2007, 02:40:42 PM
Okay.  I'm posting 4 recordings - all of them I didn't put through the enhancment program that I screw the previous ones up in.  Just use which ever one you think is best or tell me if I have to redo them (Oh please god no!) :lol:



http://download.yousendit.com/EB242364345A202E (http://download.yousendit.com/EB242364345A202E)


http://download.yousendit.com/4ED1CB623CC6945F (http://download.yousendit.com/4ED1CB623CC6945F)


http://download.yousendit.com/CCBD3AA055907B83 (http://download.yousendit.com/CCBD3AA055907B83)


http://download.yousendit.com/5A24316A6D51FAB3 (http://download.yousendit.com/5A24316A6D51FAB3)
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on May 20, 2007, 03:50:37 PM
The noise level on these is a bit less than I expected there to be; I think other singers have sent me recordings with more noise than these, in the past.

The main thing that concerns me is your choice of file format to save these songs to.  Why did you choose an 11kHz sampling rate?  44.1kHz is CD-quality, 22kHz is significantly less, and 11kHz is basically only useful for recording a teacher at a school lecture. :lol

I suspect this may have sounded much better at a 44.1kHz sampling rate, as I asked for earlier. If you're unsure how to do this, I'd say just read my tutorial here
http://z7.invisionfree.com/thegangoffive/i...?showtopic=1506 (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=1362)

and go through it.  That 11kHz will totally  kill your quality in our 44.1kHz song.  If a 44.1kHz .wav file is too large, I'm perfectly happy with a 192 kb/s (or higher) mp3 in 44.1kHz (easy enough to do in Goldwave, following my instructions). B)

This project is only for fun!  If you're okay with me using these in our song, I'm fine with it, too.  I'm just pointing out what could be improved.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 20, 2007, 05:29:35 PM
Well I got 4 more recordings that are in 44.1kHz.  Sorry it took so long.  There is something wrong with my wireless network.  I am now getting 209k per second as opposed to around 8,400k per second.   :( Just take the best one.  I don't remember which one but one of them is pretty bad because a huge tanker truck or something was going by and it messed up about 20 seconds of the recording.  How are these?


http://www.yousendit.com/download/UW13SU5DZ2dwTVUwTVE9PQ (http://www.yousendit.com/download/UW13SU5DZ2dwTVUwTVE9PQ)

http://www.yousendit.com/download/UW13SU5EMGM5bEEwTVE9PQ (http://www.yousendit.com/download/UW13SU5EMGM5bEEwTVE9PQ)

http://www.yousendit.com/download/UW13SU5GT010d0UwTVE9PQ (http://www.yousendit.com/download/UW13SU5GT010d0UwTVE9PQ)

http://www.yousendit.com/download/UW13SU5IQVNCMTQwTVE9PQ (http://www.yousendit.com/download/UW13SU5IQVNCMTQwTVE9PQ)


I couldn't save the best one because the stupid low battery alarm went off on the headphones and I screamed "OOOOOOOW!   MOTHER F!" during the recording. :lol
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Saphireraptor on May 20, 2007, 07:10:22 PM
I like Bestest Friends too

uhmm I also love the song Adventuring Its a cute song easy to get addicted to  :lol
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Petrie. on May 20, 2007, 07:42:51 PM
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I couldn't save the best one because the stupid low battery alarm went off on the headphones and I screamed "OOOOOOOW! MOTHER F!" during the recording.

When we first started doing this I had the same thing where I just messed up so bad, you just say things and the mic is still on. :p  Sent them to Tim anyway for a blooper reel.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 20, 2007, 07:47:56 PM
I stopped singing at the "your friends" part and I missed the rest of the song.  Anyway, after singing that line and screaming, I turned it off but it was very good until then.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 20, 2007, 10:00:48 PM
Do I need to do anything else Action9000?  Are these okay?
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Saphireraptor on May 20, 2007, 10:19:06 PM
i hope you dont mind me asking landbeforetimelover but are you asian too?  :DD
i love your recordings btw
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 20, 2007, 10:43:12 PM
Why would I mind?  No I'm not asian.  Why?  Do I sound like it?
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 21, 2007, 07:27:15 PM
Hello Action9000.  I was thinking that to improve my recordings, I could sing into a karaoke machine and record that.  I don't sing very loud and I think it might help.  What are your thoughts on this?  Are the last 4 I posted here in 44.1khz format okay or should I try to redo them on the karaoke machine?
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on May 21, 2007, 09:11:40 PM
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Do I need to do anything else Action9000? Are these okay?
They're okay with me if they're okay with you.  If you're happy with the quality, I can use them.  If you want to sound better, feel free to keep trying.  I'm accepting recordings until June 22nd.

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Hello Action9000. I was thinking that to improve my recordings, I could sing into a karaoke machine and record that. I don't sing very loud and I think it might help. What are your thoughts on this? Are the last 4 I posted here in 44.1khz format okay or should I try to redo them on the karaoke machine?
You know, that just might work!  Give it a shot! B)
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 21, 2007, 10:04:46 PM
Okay.  I recorded three more times using the karaoke machine.  Are these better?



http://download.yousendit.com/6EE987034B0410E0 (http://download.yousendit.com/6EE987034B0410E0)

http://download.yousendit.com/369DC8FB73E3F35A (http://download.yousendit.com/369DC8FB73E3F35A)

http://download.yousendit.com/A4CCFF4542118597 (http://download.yousendit.com/A4CCFF4542118597)
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Petrie. on May 22, 2007, 06:42:26 AM
Are these the same three in the other thread?  If so, if you didn't catch my message, for some reason they're muffled and lack clarity, but you've a really nice singing voice under there.  :yes  You might want to consider a different recording system.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on May 22, 2007, 04:12:40 PM
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Are these the same three in the other thread?
Yep, they're the same ones.

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You might want to consider a different recording system.
I don't know why LBTlover is having such a hard time getting a decent recording.  He must have equipment at least as good as what I'm using, if not better.  I have a hard time believing that high-tech karaoke machine sounds as bad as these recordings.  I don't know what the cause of the poor quality is here..maybe soundcard related?  I'm not completely sure here.  LBTlover has tried so many things now, I'm out of ideas.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Petrie. on May 22, 2007, 05:51:56 PM
Computer line-in with a $20 mic would do better...that's what I do and I've no trouble whatsoever.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 22, 2007, 06:17:28 PM
I just don't know how to use the crap I have.  I have never had a use for it before.  I have no idea what a pitch adjustment is, or how to set the microphone intensity level to an adiquite level, or how to use the background noise canceling knob, or anything!  This stupid kareoke machine is just too complicated!  I got it on craigslist for $30 and it has no instructions.  I'll just have to record as many times as I can, as many ways I can and hope it turns out.  I have no other choice.  Perhaps my equipment is too sophisticated.  I don't have anything else though.  My stupid $60 mic is too sensitive and I can no longer use it.  I now have either a free mic that came with my pc, or the built in mic in my laptop.  I HATE audio!!!
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 22, 2007, 06:23:13 PM
Perhaps I should rev it up to the highest quality setting?  WARNING:  This song would at least be 120MB if not more if I did that.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Petrie. on May 22, 2007, 08:41:49 PM
Quote from: landbeforetimelover,May 22 2007 on  05:23 PM
Perhaps I should rev it up to the highest quality setting?  WARNING:  This song would at least be 120MB if not more if I did that.

I don't know anything about the karaoke machine either, so maybe we ought to stop using it because I don't think its going to provide the result we're all looking for.

You got a laptop right?  I don't know of a laptop that does not have a line-in (or mic-in) port for connecting a microphone.  I use a headset mic that cost me $20 and this has been flawless, so you don't have to spend a ton to get decent quality.

Download HardDisk Ogg (http://www.fridgesoft.de/harddiskogg.php).  When you want to record, you want to select Windows ACM under Output Format.  There's a little icon that looks like gears--click that, and select 'mono' and 44100khz sample rate on the screen that pops up.  On the main page put normalization selection to none.  There's a little microphone image you can click to test your settings.  If it goes into the red at the top, its too loud.  You want to get that bar to go at least 1/4 of the way up the scale.  Click "Record" when you're ready.

That's what I do.  I'm sure you have the equipment to try it too.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 22, 2007, 08:58:45 PM
I am currently using the program Action9000 recommends.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Petrie. on May 22, 2007, 09:37:38 PM
Then you need to ask him how to work it.

Regardless, I doubt the highest quality setting Goldwave can create would make a 120mb audio file which is only three minutes long...an absolute killer sample rate maybe but that's definitely overkill.  :lol:
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on May 23, 2007, 12:14:24 AM
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Perhaps I should rev it up to the highest quality setting? WARNING: This song would at least be 120MB if not more if I did that.
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Regardless, I doubt the highest quality setting Goldwave can create would make a 120mb audio file which is only three minutes long...an absolute killer sample rate maybe but that's definitely overkill.
I totally agree with what Petrie said.  There should be No need for a sampling rate higher than 44.1khz (44100 Hz).  I can't guarantee that I can physically add sampling rates higher than that into our song anyway.  If a .wav file is over 30 MB, do something with it.  There's something wrong. :P:
I can't think of any other reason that the quality could possibly be increased, other than increasing the sampling rate, so I wouldn't worry about increasing the quality.

From my perspective, the solution is simple: Get a better microphone, if you have the money.  Though I must admit, I don't understand the problem with your karaoke machine's microphone, it is doing strange things to your recordings, especially with the buzzing.

Your other microphones simply will be incapable of recording at good quality.  Built-in laptop mics are basically for chatting over instant messengers (VOIP) and recording lectures; that's basically it.  They're built for power conservation and convenience, not quality.

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I am currently using the program Action9000 recommends.
My little tutorial explains the basics on what I'd recommend doing in Goldwave.  No other actions should be necessary.  Maybe, however, I can make Goldwave a bit clearer for you.

I assume that you followed my instructions on making a new file exactly as written:
Make every window related to Goldwave full-screen.  When the new file opens up, you will see a window containing a long green line.  This line represents the motion that will be sent to your speakers when the file is played.  A horizontal line indicates no movement.  This line is a visual represenation of the sound waves that you will ideally hear (from a perfect set of speakers, which obviously don't exist).  This line is known as the "waveform".

You will notice two scales in goldwave; a horizontal scale (time) and a vertical scale (amplitude/volume).  The vertical scale (Y-Axis) has a range from 0.0 to 1.0 in both the positive and negative directions.  This represents the total RANGE of volumes that the digital audio file can capture and store.  0.0  represents silence and +/0 1.0 represents the maximum amplitude from the 0.0 point.  Therefore the loudest sound you can possibly record is a wave that travels from 0.0 to +1.0 to -1.0, back to +1.0, back to -1.0, etc.


The level that Goldwave percieves when recording from a microphone is related to the microphone volume level ("Gain").  When a sound is recorded, the vibration of air around the microphone is converted to a digital signal and sent to the computer, which stores the amplitude as a 16-bit value (in 16-bit audio).  The value of this 16-bit number is dependant on a mathematical calculation containing your input volume (the volume of your voice and surrounding noise) and the gain of the microphone.  I'm assuming you understand the basics of binary, being a computer repair guy, so I'm going to point this out:

The minimum binary value in a 16-bit number (representing Silence) is obviously
0000 0000 0000 0000

The maximum binary value (representing maximum possible volume) is therefore
1111 1111 1111 1111

Any binary number between these is some amplitude between 0.0 and 1.0.  We are using SIGNED 16-bit audio so the final bit is technically the sign of the number (positive or negative), which is why we see +/- 1.0 on the Goldwave scale.

When setting the microphone gain, we ideally want to get as much of your voice as possible and as little background/electromagnetic (EMR) noise as possible.  This ratio, Signal to Noise ratio, is the biggest problem with your recordings.  Ideally the sound would be 100% signal and 0% noise but this is impossible.  Our goal is to get as close to this as possible.  This is done by using high-quality equipment and setting the microphone gain to an appropriate level.

What is the appropriate level?  Ideally, you want the LOUDEST instant of your voice to be as close to +/- 1.0 on the Y-Axis scale without going Over 1.0.  If any instant of sound is calculated (based on microphone gain and your voice volume) to be LARGER than +1.0 or SMALLER than -1.0, the 16-bit number cannot store it (where would it go?  We are out of digits!  You can't put a larger value than 1111 1111 1111 1111 into 16 binary digits.).  As a result, it must be assigned to the most logical place: the nearest possible binary value.  As a result, a sound that continually calculates to larger than +1.0 or smaller than -1.0 will result in the Cutting off of the peaks of the wave form (because the peaks get flattened to the 1.0 value).  This flattening distorts the sound and results in a rather unpleasant noise.

This, however, is not a problem I have been hearing in your recordings, LBTlover.  Instead, I am hearing unusually loud levels of hissing and background noise.

Here is the problem I am seeing with your recordings:
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h141/action9000/waveandSNR.png)
By the way, the 0.04 is a Maximum noise level, so that is basically the lowest SNR in your entire recording.  Most of the time it may be closer to 10 or even 15 dB.  That is still extremely low.
As for what to do about it:
I would say Increase the gain on your microphone.  Your Maximum volume right now at Any point is about 35% or 36% of the 16-bit maximum.  You can crank that gain quite a bit higher.  If that doesn't help, you may need either a better microphone or a better sound card.

If you can get that Signal to Noise ratio better, I can do the rest. B)
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on May 23, 2007, 12:38:30 AM
By comparison, here's a picture of my recording of If We Hold On Together.

My signal level hits well over 50% quite often, so I am using 50% as the basis for my SNR calculation.  

I zoomed in on the noise level of my recording.  The slightly louder parts are sounds due to my poor skills using a microphone (breathing too closely to it, etc.).  The lowest amplitude points are the inherant noise of the recording.

(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h141/action9000/Action9000SNR.png)

Notice the difference: A Lot more signal and a Lot less noise.  With 100dB estimated Signal-to-noise ratio, the quality is superb.  This is only an $80 microphone.  I suspect my sound card made a lot of the difference, too (Sound Blaster X-Fi Platinum).  This sound card can handle recordings MUCH better than my laptop's card, which leaves all sorts of noise in a recording.  I think your problems are your microphone and sound card.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 23, 2007, 12:58:47 AM
Okay so do I adjust the gain of the mic by going into the preferences and going up to mic level to like 80%?  Right now it's at 35%.  If I do this however, I can really hear the cars go by.  It sounds like planes!
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on May 23, 2007, 01:02:46 AM
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Okay so do I adjust the gain of the mic by going into the preferences and going up to mic level to like 80%? Right now it's at 35%.
Yep, that's all there is to it.

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I can really hear the cars go by. It sounds like planes!
That's honestly really crappy...Too bad there is no way around that.  I guess the options are one of:

1) Very low gain (20%, give or take a few %), sing very close to your microphone.  Most tolerant of background noise, least tolerant of electronic noise due to your sound card.

2) Medium gain (35 or 40%).  Less tolerant of background noise but reduces electronic noise.

3) Higher gain (55% or higher, I'd say).  Least tolerant of background noise.  Most tolerant of electronic noise due to your sound card.

If background noise is the problem, try killing the gain (15 or 20%) and singing Very close to the mic.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 23, 2007, 01:06:04 AM
Okay.  I'll try that and post three more songs tomarrow.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Petrie. on May 23, 2007, 06:32:44 AM
Oh cool...could you do mine next? :D  I can't seem to get the same types of graphs in Audacity.  No really, if I need to up the volume in the future, this is a good way to tell.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on May 23, 2007, 02:00:04 PM
I'll do that as soon as I get home, a little later today.  I am just about to put in a couple of job applications and get a haircut. :p
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 23, 2007, 02:01:28 PM
Hope everything comes out okay! :lol:
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Petrie. on May 23, 2007, 03:16:51 PM
Waiting is the hardest part....I've a couple of things lined up....now just waiting.  :^.^:   Good luck.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on May 23, 2007, 04:39:46 PM
Here is an image of the "Best of Friends" with you singing to music, which you posted up before.
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h141/action9000/AdamBestOfFriendsWithMusic.png)

You could probably turn up your vocals a bit more if you want.  Most of the waveform you see at the end is music.  If we subtract that, you are left with a wave that is slightly smaller than that seen at the beginning of this audio.  We can see that near the beginning of this audio, there is very little music and mainly vocals, hitting only 25% of maximum volume. You still have a long way to go before maxing out.

COMBINED, the vocals and music reach about 90%, 3/4 through the song.  I don't care though; I can tweak the music and vocals until the levels are good.  If we were to isolate your vocal track, it's not even close to 100%.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 23, 2007, 04:45:02 PM
Is this to me or Petrie? :blink:
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on May 23, 2007, 04:55:50 PM
Petrie, sorry.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Petrie. on May 23, 2007, 06:03:42 PM
That's what I was afraid of hearing.  However, if I turn it too much louder, you get a horrible hiss in the background.  I guess that'll be my threshold.  -_-  At least I didn't let the mix clip.   :lol:  +1 for me.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 23, 2007, 06:10:47 PM
I'm always confused where exactly to put these but here ya go:  

I reduced the gain to 15%.  How are these?




http://download.yousendit.com/6D72A8D57BE135ED (http://download.yousendit.com/6D72A8D57BE135ED)

http://download.yousendit.com/F36164345FE82789 (http://download.yousendit.com/F36164345FE82789)

http://download.yousendit.com/D5E09BB811A00619 (http://download.yousendit.com/D5E09BB811A00619)
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Petrie. on May 23, 2007, 09:31:56 PM
Better for sure, but still muffled at some points.  There's a lot of hiss in these recordings for some reason (I have the same issue so I don't think its something that we just have to live with sometimes).  Otherwise, I still like that singing voice. :)
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 23, 2007, 09:36:00 PM
Action9000 thought that the hiss is a lot easier to get rid of than all of that background noise of cars going by.  I'm still waiting for him to give me more recommendations on what to do so I can go make a few more recordings.  Perhaps I should reduce the gain on the microphone even further?  I have no idea.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: f-22 "raptor" ace on May 23, 2007, 09:36:04 PM
Whenever I get a faster computer I'll probbaly try one of the Karoke projects here. Before that I'll do a Karoke of another song and post it on youtube as pratice.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 23, 2007, 09:37:57 PM
You telling me you don't have 100mhz and 32 megs of ram?  That's all that is required to run Action9000's program.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: f-22 "raptor" ace on May 23, 2007, 09:40:30 PM
No I haveinstalled/uninstalled so many games it's made my computer slow. and I have a windows XP edition.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 23, 2007, 09:41:45 PM
Minimum requirements for xp is 266MHZ and 64mb ram.  You definently have enough power.  Join us. :)
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: f-22 "raptor" ace on May 23, 2007, 09:43:03 PM
Well the mic I have is not built into the computer. And I have to find it first.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 23, 2007, 09:44:29 PM
The mic isn't supposed to be unless it's a laptop.  Just get one from walmart for $5 and record!  It's just that simple! ;)
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: f-22 "raptor" ace on May 23, 2007, 09:45:29 PM
I don't have a laptop. and my mic is broken I'll have to get a new one
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 23, 2007, 10:24:47 PM
All you need is a laptop or desktop computer and a cheap microphone.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: f-22 "raptor" ace on May 23, 2007, 10:26:26 PM
Well I have a computer not sure if it is a desktop one and There is no sound comming from my mic and I have headphones on.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 23, 2007, 10:51:50 PM
There's only a desktop or a laptop.  If it isn't a laptop, it's a desktop.  Try going into the control panel and adjusting the sound settings.  If there is a little sound icon on the taskbar, make sure the wave sound is on maximum and all other sound features are turned up and are not muted.  It is highly unlikely that it is a soundcard problem.  Does this clear things up or do I need to go more in depth?
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: f-22 "raptor" ace on May 23, 2007, 10:57:25 PM
It's not working I just ran a test no movement on the recording meter at all.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 23, 2007, 11:06:41 PM
Okay.  Follow these steps exactly.  


click start

click control panel

double click sounds and audio devices

check the box that says "place volume icon in the taskbar"

click ok

go next to the clock and double click the speaker icon.  If not shown, you may have to click the little arrow button that faces to the left in order to get it to show.

a large control box will appear.  If the microphone control bar does not show, go to the options menu and click properties.  Check the box that says microphone.  Click ok.  Then you can adjust the level of the sound.  I recomment putting all the bars to maximum and making sure that none of the mute boxes are checked.  When finished adjusting sound, simply X out of the master volume window.


This should make your sound and mic work unless It's a soundcard problem.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: f-22 "raptor" ace on May 23, 2007, 11:19:49 PM
ok I'll do that tomorrow morning when I get on computer.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on May 24, 2007, 04:36:48 PM
landbeforetimelover:
I applied a few effects to your mo3.wav recording.  Here's what I came up with after:
1) Noise reduction by copying noise to clipboard and reducing it throughout the entire recording by 50%
2) A noise gate with a slow attack and decay, removing all noise in any parts where you are not singing
3) An equalizer to reduce the boomy sound due to being too close to the microphone (which I know I instructed you to do).

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...4177CA9339DD93A (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=B4177CA9339DD93A)

I think it is certainly better; on of the best results so far.  I'm still trying to figure out why where is such a high level of noise in the recordings...I don't mean the traffic going by and whatnot.  I mean the persistant *hissing*.  I get that when I'm recording on my laptop, which makes me think your sound card is the problem there.

As for what we want to do now...If you want to try again, turn the gain up *slightly*  (maybe 20%) and sing just a a little bit further away from your microphone.  Then maybe we can get a good balance between boominess and background noise.  If you don't want to try again, I can use this one and similar effects applied to other recordings.

It seems to me that reducing the hissing noise is going to basically be an impossible task unless you replace your sound card (which of course I don't expect you to do).  That being said, I don't think I can ask you for much more; we've tried everything that I can think of, short of a rather complicated theoretical techinique involving multiple microphones...I don't think it would honestly help that much and it would a pain, so I won't even go there.

I'm sorry if I sound overly picky.  I just know this is a really quiet song and every little imperfection in the recordings will stick out like a sore thumb.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 24, 2007, 06:05:54 PM
Yeah.  The sound card in my laptop sucks buttcrack.  I own about 30 laptop's but I sold all but one of their soundcards.  I wish I could use a desktop but I just can't get enough power out in that little RV to run the desktop, light, keroke machine, monitior, and heater.  I wish I had another place to do it but I am too embarrassed to sing knowing my parents can hear.  It messes me all up and I lose concentration.  I'll increase the gain on the mic to 20% and see if that helps.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: f-22 "raptor" ace on May 24, 2007, 06:13:43 PM
I tried to get the mic to work. but I didn't get it to work.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 24, 2007, 06:15:12 PM
do you have it plugged into the port on the back of the computer that has the icon of a little mic and/or is pink colored?
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: f-22 "raptor" ace on May 24, 2007, 06:16:41 PM
Yep it was plugged in when i tried it this morning.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 24, 2007, 06:17:39 PM
The mic might not work.  Are you sure you have the mic volume on maximum and it isn't muted?
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: f-22 "raptor" ace on May 24, 2007, 06:19:07 PM
Ya I had it at max volume. I guess i need to get a new mic.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 24, 2007, 06:21:03 PM
That isn't for certain but it's better to try that first since it's usually less expensive than a new sound card, especially if you have to pay someone to put it in cuz you don't know how.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: f-22 "raptor" ace on May 25, 2007, 10:09:08 AM
That would be true I don't know how to install a sound card so I'll just try again.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on July 19, 2007, 11:49:08 PM
Bestest Friends is complete, which means...

Next song! :D  :lol

If you are unfamiliar with the singing and voting process, please read the first post in this topic.  

Place your votes here!  The majority vote will be the next song. B)


NOTE: One condition.  If you vote for a song, it means you agree to sing the song with us.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 19, 2007, 11:53:07 PM
How's about "one of a kind"?  I think we need to do an upbeat song this time. :yes
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on July 19, 2007, 11:56:57 PM
I should probably state this now:
Because I need to listen to the song a million times to write the music for it and mix the singers in, I give myself the right to refuse to work on a song which I...am really not fond of.

To be honest LBTlover, that's one of them :p

Do you mind picking something else please?  Sorry to be picky; I'll do almost anything else...here's a list of songs I refuse to do:

LBT 7: Good inside (unless we get a huge majority who want to do it)
LBT 9: Big Water (let's do the LBT 5 version instead)
LBT 12: One of a kind
Most of the songs in the TV series :p
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 20, 2007, 12:00:27 AM
how about "things change" then?  I think that' one will be pretty good.


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Most of the songs in the TV series


Honestly, I don't think I could sing "I fell so happy" without laughing.  It's just so cheesy! :lol:
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on July 20, 2007, 12:02:02 AM
Sure, I'll take that vote!

Things Change: 1
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: DarkHououmon on July 20, 2007, 12:07:10 AM
Hmm. I guess I'll vote then.  Hmm.... Big Water, from LBT5. That used to be one of my favorite LBT songs back when I was a kid.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on July 20, 2007, 12:22:57 AM
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Hmm.... Big Water, from LBT5.
Haha, this would be a fun one :p

Big Water: 1
Things Change: 1
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 20, 2007, 12:25:53 AM
If I lose internet action, which I probably will, just put me down for any song except "the lesson" if it's chosen.  I do not want to do that one.  Just wanted to let ya know.  I'm preparing for a total network crash here. :(
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on July 20, 2007, 12:26:21 AM
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If I lose internet action, which I probably will, just put me down for any song except "the lesson" if it's chosen.
Okay, no problem. B)
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on July 20, 2007, 12:27:17 AM
I suppose since I'm singing, I get to vote too! :p

I'm going with "Things Change" or "Beyond the Mysterious Beyond"

Big Water: 1
Beyond The Mysterious Beyond: 1
Things Change: 2
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Malte279 on July 20, 2007, 03:46:20 AM
My vote is for Beyond the Mysterious Beyond, but "Things change" would sure be interesting too. It takes some courage though to trust our vocal chords with the high and during note on the "all at once".
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Petrie. on July 20, 2007, 06:06:57 AM
I guess I need to hear Things Change if I'm going to participate this time around. :p
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Malte279 on July 20, 2007, 06:23:15 AM
This Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_P8bC-9pxQ) will help if you haven't heard "Things change" yet. Of those songs you know, which one would you want to sing next?
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Dash The Longneck on July 20, 2007, 09:33:09 AM
I think I'm gonna vote for either Kids Like Us Or Big Water Either one of those would be great. I would sound completely udderly awful singing Things Change. Trust me I've tried. :lol:
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: pokeplayer984 on July 20, 2007, 09:39:50 AM
I vote for Things Change.  I really want it this time! :^.^:
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Stitch on July 20, 2007, 10:05:40 AM
I vote for Things Change.  It sounds right for a group song.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on July 20, 2007, 05:02:43 PM
Here's how it looks so far:

Big Water: 2
Beyond The Mysterious Beyond: 2
Kids Like Us: 1
Things Change: 4
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Manny Cav on July 20, 2007, 05:44:08 PM
I'm torn between Beyond the Mysterious Beyond and Things Change myself.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Malte279 on July 20, 2007, 06:29:00 PM
The only concern I have about "Things Change" is that it might scare away potential new singers as it is certainly a tricky song. With the many people who already voted for Things Change though it is certain that there will be enough singers who will give it a try.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 20, 2007, 06:37:24 PM
I'm concerned about things change myself.  I know I can do it, I just can't get high up there.  I refuse to have my voice crack up and sound like crap so it's gonna be sang pretty low by me.  I think a female member will have to sing the line "all at once things change".  I couldn't imagine a male member getting up there too easily. :P:
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on July 20, 2007, 07:04:48 PM
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I couldn't imagine a male member getting up there too easily.
Sounds like a job for Petrie!  You want to give us a hand, here? :p

I'm willing to try but no guarantees on good results! :lol
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Malte279 on July 20, 2007, 07:10:27 PM
I guess well just have to sing an octave lower. But our female singers may come in really great in this song :yes
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on July 20, 2007, 07:13:39 PM
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I guess well just have to sing an octave lower.
We've been doing that for every song we've done so far (at least the males have).  I don't honestly think Things Change will be overly brutal, as long as we can hold notes.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Malte279 on July 20, 2007, 07:18:00 PM
With the singers' permission I'll let Anndie McAfee know about this project though once we finish it (provided that indeed "Things change" gets the majority of votes which is not yet settled). I suppose it would be funny for her to listen to this one :lol:
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Petrie. on July 20, 2007, 10:22:53 PM
Quote from: action9000,Jul 20 2007 on  06:04 PM
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I couldn't imagine a male member getting up there too easily.
Sounds like a job for Petrie!  You want to give us a hand, here? :p

I'm willing to try but no guarantees on good results! :lol
I could do it.  I just did a bit of practice while listening to it and there's no trouble. ;)

Song reminds me a bit of that song out of Over the Hedge.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on July 21, 2007, 12:18:34 AM
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With the singers' permission I'll let Anndie McAfee know about this project though once we finish it (provided that indeed "Things change" gets the majority of votes which is not yet settled). I suppose it would be funny for her to listen to this one
I would be more than happy to have her hear our work on "Things Change" (providing we sing it). :yes

Do you speak with Anndie regularily, Malte?  You never mentioned much of her.

To everyone: We're still accepting votes by the way!
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Manny Cav on July 21, 2007, 02:41:20 AM
After giving it some second thoughts, I've decided to place my vote on "Things Change."
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Malte279 on July 21, 2007, 04:27:47 AM
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Do you speak with Anndie regularily, Malte? You never mentioned much of her.
I don't speak with her regularly and I only wrote to her a few times. In general I think I'm kind of hesitant to talk to the actors fearing that they might feel bothered by too much fanmail. But this I think would be something she might find really funny.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 21, 2007, 07:19:23 AM
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In general I think I'm kind of hesitant to talk to the actors fearing that they might feel bothered by too much fanmail


I don't think she gets too much fanmail regarding her work with LBT.  We LBT fans that can actuall write are rare as it is.  Only a small portion of us even consider talking to the actors, let alone actually do it.  I'm sure she hasn't gotten too much fanmail regarding her work with LBT sadly. :(
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on July 21, 2007, 09:41:36 AM
Big Water: 2
Beyond The Mysterious Beyond: 2
Kids Like Us: 1
Things Change: 5

Unless we get an influx of voters against "Things Change", I think we basically have our next song decided on :)

I'll still accept votes but unless I see a change in the voting trend I say we go with "Things Change".
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Petrie. on July 21, 2007, 09:06:14 PM
Quite frankly we've done everything I wanted to work in.  If you want me to Tim, once you get a sound mp3 sample made, I'll do that one high line for you guys.
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on July 21, 2007, 11:50:01 PM
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Quite frankly we've done everything I wanted to work in. If you want me to Tim, once you get a sound mp3 sample made, I'll do that one high line for you guys.
Feel free to jump in if you want to but of course you're not obligated to.  I'll accept anything you want to send me, up to the deadline (which is unknown right now).

I'll give this poll another day or so.  Around this time tomorrow, we'll check the results. I may not be home at this exact time, but it's just a casual voting system anyway :p
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: action9000 on July 23, 2007, 02:59:34 AM
It looks like we have our song decided on! :D

I will start a topic for the "Things Change" singing project shortly.  The following members have volunteered to sing with us so far:

Action9000
landbeforetimelover
Malte
Manny Cav
Pokeplayer
Stitch

Any discussion for "Things Change" should continue in the new thread.

Thanks to everyone for the votes! B)
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Dash The Longneck on August 03, 2007, 09:57:49 AM
Quote from: action9000,Jul 23 2007 on  01:59 AM
It looks like we have our song decided on! :D

I will start a topic for the "Things Change" singing project shortly.  The following members have volunteered to sing with us so far:

Action9000
landbeforetimelover
Malte
Manny Cav
Pokeplayer
Stitch

Any discussion for "Things Change" should continue in the new thread.

Thanks to everyone for the votes! B)
Is it to late to sign up for this song as well? I may have not voted for it. But I am really excited about this and I loved singing in the last song so much. So do you think you can add me to the list?
Title: Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing
Post by: Nimrod on August 03, 2007, 10:50:41 AM
Quote from: Dash The Longneck,Aug 3 2007 on  08:57 AM
Quote from: action9000,Jul 23 2007 on  01:59 AM
It looks like we have our song decided on! :D

I will start a topic for the "Things Change" singing project shortly.  The following members have volunteered to sing with us so far:

Action9000
landbeforetimelover
Malte
Manny Cav
Pokeplayer
Stitch

Any discussion for "Things Change" should continue in the new thread.

Thanks to everyone for the votes! B)
Is it to late to sign up for this song as well? I may have not voted for it. But I am really excited about this and I loved singing in the last song so much. So do you think you can add me to the list?
If it is possible, me too, please.