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Accepting Requests for next LBT Song to Sing

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Okay.  I'll start practicing tomarrow.  I'll wait for the file from you before recording it though.  This is going to be great!


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Cool!  :wow
By the way, here is a preliminary Mp3 of our music which I have written up.  
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...E24146E3ADF27B1

We can use this for our final song if we choose, but personally I think it still needs a LOT of work!  I'll continue tweaking it but feel free to sing along and send me your recordings with this one at any time. :yes


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The link doesn't work.  It just takes me to my account.  Just out of curiosity, why don't you split the lbt 10 movie so it just includes the song, then convert it to mp3 and use an audio ripper to take the characters voices out of it?  I did this and it turned out great!  The music was in sync with the origional song.  It would save you a lot of trouble and I have the mp3 file.  You want it?  This way, people could sing along to the origional song and still be in sync.  I think this would improve singing quality a bunch!  As it is now, there is no way I will be able to sing that song in sync!  I can't tell the music parts when I watch the movie so I can't even recognize when the piano parts are coming up.  I think the dvd ripper didn't do something right.  I threw away the origionals as to hide them and only have a copy on my pc.  The dialog is much louder than the music and I can't distinguish them.  I will have to sing along with the characters with headphones on in order to do this correctly.  Can we use my file?  It's just the three minutes or so in the video minus the video aspect and character voices and in an mp3 format.  If mp3 is a problem, I can make it into any other format.  The file is about 3 megabytes.


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Here is the file.  It is an EXACT replica of the soundtrack and music of "we will always be your friends" without the characters voices.  Couldn't you put everyone's voices onto here action9000 so we could all sing to the origional song?  I think people will get a better sense of the tune and everything if they are singing along with the characters but the recording doesn't pick it up (they will be wearing headphones).  This soundtrack has the exact same tempo and everything.  Here.  You'll have to download it but it's only 3.5MB:





http:// [url=http://www.yousendit.com/download/UW13N3RlcTJlaFEwTVE9PQ]http://www.yousendit.com/download/UW13N3RlcTJlaFEwTVE9PQ
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Crap.  I used a stupid demo program so I could only get 1min23sec but I used a new program now and the quality is a lot better unfortunately, it is nearly 7MB.  It's a lot better though:



http:// [url=http://www.yousendit.com/download/UW13N3RZQTZJMHMwTVE9PQ]http://www.yousendit.com/download/UW13N3RZQTZJMHMwTVE9PQ[/url]


It might be able to be improved upon.  I have a very sophisticated music editing program I have never used before.  Perhaps I will run it through there.  I will look into it today if I have the time.  My mom wants me to go to a swap meet with her  :x so I might not have the time.


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Oh.  I forgot to mention that the song is missing 2.7 seconds at the end but it's bearly noticable.  That was as close as I could get unfortunately.  Should I add like echo and surround sound effects to make it sound better and perhaps to cover up our lack of singing skill?


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Just out of curiosity, why don't you split the lbt 10 movie so it just includes the song, then convert it to mp3 and use an audio ripper to take the characters voices out of it?

A few reasons:
1) That doesn't work on every song.  I tried it for Beyond the Mysterious Beyond in the past.  That particular song has traces of the character's voices in the Left and Right channels for sound enhancement.  As a result, I couldn't simply remove the Center channel and get good results.  Also, I could only get it to work "reasonably well" with 5.1 audio tracks since I could remove the center track using a multichannel audio editor like Audition.

2) Any software that removes vocal frequencies  will remove other elements of the sound.  The .wav that you provided me is such low quality that I can't determine whether your program did so or not.   Any software the removes simply the mono "Center" sounds has a chance to remove some instrumental frequencies OR leave some vocals behind (as in the case Beyond the Mysterious Beyond).
In short, what program did you use to do this?  I haven't found any that work extremely well.  Audition gave me the best results but it relied on multichannel audio (which thankfully LBT 10 has.  Not every LBT film does, however).

3) I like to add my own touch to our music, which is MUCH more difficult when working with an original track.  Then my only options are to add more layers: I can't edit, tweak, or remove existing layers when they're "hard coded" into a .wav together.  In the case of If We Hold On Together, I basically re-arranged the entire song specifically for our Gang of Five rendition.  I just like to have that option.

4) The program I used to edit multichannel audio was a free trial and has expired on me.

5) Simply copying the music seems a bit like a cop-out to me.  Sure it's easier, but then I feel the GoF can take less credit for the song as a whole.  I like to be proud of the fact that we did everything on our own in the past.

Except for the fact that the music you sent me is compressed severely, it sounds like it worked fairly well.  I tried a similar technique on a couple of other songs but the results weren't *perfect* (the Left and Right channels both had slight echoing of the original voices)...but anyways, it looks like for this particular song it is possible to fully remove vocals.


Could you send me a fully-useable version of the music?  a 192kb/s (or higher) mp3 will suffice I think.  This .wav you sent me is very poor quality, 11kHz (Winamp says 353 kb/s).
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I forgot to mention that the song is missing 2.7 seconds at the end but it's bearly noticable
Also, I would Really appreciate it if you could capture the Entire song (not cutting out the beginning nor ending).  Thanks.  I must disagree with the fact that it's barely noticeable; it chops right off.  Don't force me to fade out the song because we don't have an ending! :lol

Oh, and about the link?
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...E24146E3ADF27B1
Fixed. B)
Like I say, this is far from perfect but we can use it if the singers want to.  If the singers are okay with waiting for me to update it, I personally would like to do so.


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Well I used Yogen at first but it sucked.  It simply dampened the vharacters voices and make petrie sound like he had a cold!  I eventuall used a program called advavced audio ripper(I think.  The computer the program is on is not here right now).  Anyway, I ran the song through a enhancement program and it seems to be a lot better than it was.  I converted it to an mp3 but I have no idaa what rate it's at.  Also, if you have a trial program, I could convert it to a full version for free.  What's it called and what version is it?  In short, I mildly enhanced it but I don't have very good judgement when it comes to music editing.  Perhaps you could enhance it farther if possible.  If you need additional programs, just tell me and I'll give you some if I can.  As for the ending, I can either take about 3seconds off or have like 15 additional seconds.  Do you have a audio splitter?  Should I record it again with a little too much?

Here's the song by the way:



http://download.yousendit.com/10B720AB14CBDAA8

I think it lacks bass.  It would sound a lot better with a lot more bass.  I used a hardware bass enhancer an it sounded perfect.


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Here's the song by the way:



http://download.yousendit.com/10B720AB14CBDAA8

I think it lacks bass. It would sound a lot better with a lot more bass. I used a hardware bass enhancer an it sounded perfect.
Ouch...I believe it lacks a lot more than bass, my friend.

Even with good file quality, the music lacks clarity, is full of artifacts and is unpleasant to listen to.  Even if it is possible to get this twice as clear, it is still unacceptable and much lower-quality than anything we can produce manually.  Thank you for trying though.  Vocal removal is still in its infancy.  If this, or even significantly better than this, is the best we can do at this point, it's not good enough.  I believe our results will still sound much better using the Gang of Five's original music, produced by lossless, high-performance audio software.  Any editting to this one would just distort it more.  It's basically useless, I'm afraid.
Admittedly it's much quicker to produce but the quality is so poor, it's almost not worth singing if we're going to use music of this quality.

For fun, here's a vocal-removal I did for Beyond the Mysterious Beyond.  It removes almost all vocals while preserving about 99.999% of the quality.  Problem: Tiny echos of the vocals are left in the far-left and far-right channels.
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...33450952F0106D1
I thought you found some magic solution to get this music clarity while totally removing vocals.


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I bet I could get all of the vocals out.  I sang along with the song I created just for fun.  It sounded okay.  I played the audio too loud so my voice is a little hard to hear but I can make it better and will, just for my own personal use.  Sorry.  I sound like I got a cold because I don't want to wake my cousin who was also in the room.  He sleeps til 4pm on weekends!  It was okay overall though:



http://download.yousendit.com/34291E485655375F


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I don't know if I'll be able to sing along with your song.  I just don't know when to sing.  I have tried about 40 times and I keep messing it up.  I'll keep trying though but I may not be able to since in my lbt 10 video, you can bearly hear the piano music.


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Don't give up just yet! :lol:  :lol

This may help you a bit.  It's my music with musical instruments playing the melody.  It may help you keep your place.

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...1F6D57153C00526
Give this a shot.  If it doesn't help, I'm sure we can find a way to help you out.  Last song, Malte waited until Petrie (our Petrie, not the LBT petrie) sang.  I put Petrie into the song and gave that version to Malte, who was then able to keep his place in the song because he could hear Petrie singing to it.

There's always a solution, we just need time to find one. B)


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Hey LBT-Lover, you have a really very good voice! I didn't hear that cold you are claiming :)
Please sing along with us. It would be a pity if you didn't. The first singing project is always the "scariest" :lol:
As for the timing it is a lot easier to sing along with a recording that already has a voice in it (it is what I had to do in case of "lone dinosaur") as it was difficult for me to keep the right pace with that song.
It would be cool to have you with us :yes


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I just had to add this in LBTlover:
You basically knocked me out of my chair with your singing; it was just that good! :wow
Based on how you were going on about not being able to keep time and whatnot, I didn't expect such an amazing performance but you sure showed me!  And by the way, your timing is ROCK-SOLID in the version you recorded.   If you can even come Close to that while singing to our music, you'll be the star of the song!


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Thanks a lot for the new song.  I can definently do it with that!  I really didn't think I was that good but I guess I was wrong.  I can sing this song around 20 different ways and I don't know which one sounds the best.  I guess I'll let you guys decide.  Also, I think that songs like the bad one I made were good because I have $400 headphones and $1000 speakers so I guess anything sounds good.  I plugged in a standard set of $20 speakers (which is what most people have) and listened to the song I made that cut out the characters voices and it sounded like crap!  I guess I just don't know when something sounds bad because anything sounds good on my expensive equipment.  I would never have posted the song I made by cutting out the characters voices if I knew how bad it really sounded when played on a standard set of speakers.  Sorry if I was a bit pushy with my idea.  I just thought it sounded great but now I know how you and the rest of the normal world percieve it, I agree with you.  It's absolutely awful unless you have really expensive speakers.


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I guess I just don't know when something sounds bad because anything sounds good on my expensive equipment.
I'm personally working on a set of $200 headphones and $800 speakers and the quality was still bad. :lol  Mind you, the equipment is designed for studio monitoring so they *should* show flaws in a piece of music.  That's why I bought em. :p I'm truly surprised that you didn't hear the huge amount of distortion on your expensive gear.  Ideally elements of music should be MORE obvious with better gear, not more hidden.   I've taken 6 years of music and spent a lot of years critically listening to digital audio, so I'm used to it.  I suspect you've been busier with the computers themselves than worried about audio stuff.

Anyways though, if your microphone is as expensive as your speakers I'm Really curious to hear what this will sound like!  My $80 microphone sounds pretty dang good and you probably have a better one than mine.


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I actually built my microphone from a kit.  The guy said that it was origionally a $200 microphone and I spent $60 for the kit.  I have no idea if what he says it true.  As for the quality thing on my speakers, I play it in a player that is supposed to filter out bad things automatically (I just found out today that it automatically does this).  It was made by my hacker friend and he just told me today that he programmed it to do that.  Perhaps that's why it sounded so good to me.  Also, I didn't connect the crap speakers to my main computer, I played the file on another computer using WMP11.  I guess it wasn't the speakers that made it sound good, it was the program because I just played the song on WMP11 using my good speakers and it sounded bad.


Oh and by the way, you are corrrect.  This is my first day really screwing around with audio in my life.  I have never even recorded myself before today.


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Okay.  I sang the song leaving out everything but my voice.  I hope this is what you wanted.  I am losing my voice though.  I got in a big fight with my mom and my throat really hurts from screaming so I may not sound my best.  What do you think?  Did I sound okay?  Should I redo it?



http://download.yousendit.com/9F8B1ABF31B7BEE9


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I also wanted to tell ya all that my master computer's graphics card just pooped out.  It will take longer to do things with my other computer.  I will attempt to replace the video card in a few days but until then, I am weak.  SO WEAK!  I can't do anything with a 3.6ghz computer!  God this sucks.  I am also unable to work on my lby comic or my lbt book or my backwards lbt movies until I can get a replacement graphics card.


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I can't do anything with a 3.6ghz computer!
Oh, how I wish I had that problem...
I'm trying to work on pro-quality audio applications with a single-core 3.00 GHz computer.  I'm looking to upgrade soon but I'm stuck for now.

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Okay. I sang the song leaving out everything but my voice. I hope this is what you wanted. I am losing my voice though. I got in a big fight with my mom and my throat really hurts from screaming so I may not sound my best. What do you think? Did I sound okay? Should I redo it?
Your singing is awesome, first-rate!  What concerns me is the sound quality.  I know it isn't my speakers because I can listen to any song or audio recording and hear things clearly.

Did you apply some sort of noise-reduction or effects to your recording?  It sounds like you tried to remove hiss and ended up cutting out half of your voice in the process.  There is no high end, there is no crystal-clarity.  Even a $30 mic should be able to record better than this, which makes me think you attempted to remove some sort of background noise but were too aggressive with your settings.

Could you let me know what sort of environmeny you're recording in?  Is it noisy?  Is there some inherant noise that will get into your recordings no matter what?  Do you have a very poor-quality sound card?  I hate to spoil your voice by using such poor quality.  By comparison, here's a clip of my singing:
It's the beginning of No One Has To Be Alone:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...9C53D673F25E627
Any chance of getting your recording as clear and rich  as this?  I know this is far from perfect but I think it's fairly clear.