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« on: March 07, 2016, 11:11:12 am »
Does anyone else feel upset that reptiles were completely left out and it's only about mammals? They used to make reptiles villains before, but this time they went completely overboard with it. what do you think?

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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2016, 12:13:36 pm »
No, I'm not really bothered by the fact that they focused only on mammals. Here is a Q&A regarding why they stuck with just mammals.


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Q: There are only mammals in Zootopia. Why is that?

Byron Howard: We thought really hard about it. We spent a year of research sketching things out in every sense of the word, and we ended up having a hundred different species in the final film.

Rich Moore: We had to choose. We decided to focus on a predator/prey dynamic and mammals offered more opportunities for that.

Byron Howard: What you may haven't noticed is that we chose not to show monkeys in the film. They resemble humans too much. It wouldn't have been funny. And of course, the films is only 90 minutes long. We couldn't include all of the animals.

Rich Moore: We are convinced that we shouldn't stifle the film with explanations. The story must be its own explanation. There's no need to annoy the audience with background details like why animals came to reign on Earth, etc.

Byron Howard: It's very difficult to make things simple. There's always the temptation to over-explain things. At Disney the goal is to cut, to simplify, to be direct. To trust the public and their intelligence.

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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2016, 12:29:49 pm »
I get a rabbit lead while my scalie friends don't get a single scale. Pretty unfair!

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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2016, 01:23:52 pm »
Quote from: DarkHououmon,Mar 7 2016 on  11:13 AM
No, I'm not really bothered by the fact that they focused only on
 "To trust the public and their intelligence."
How are we, as viewers supposed to figure out why there were no reptiles? they say they have no time, but they could have shown some mammals less, while including reptiles instead, and main characters would still be mammals as the focus of the film, I don't see a problem with that other than Disney studio disliking reptiles in general.

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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2016, 01:50:31 pm »
Personally, I never really thought "why aren't there any reptiles", as I don't consider it an important question to ask. I had accepted before the movie was released that it would only be mammals. I'm not really all that upset that there aren't any reptiles.

Besides, would including a few reptiles really improve the movie that much? Personally, I don't think so, other than just to add a bit more diversity, which they already accomplished with the mammals. I should also point out that people in general, from what I've seen, tend to identify more readily with mammals than other species. I am not sure if this was another reason or not, but it would make sense.

In the end, I don't see the lack of reptiles as being a huge issue. I mean, sure it's an annoyance to those who wanted to see reptiles. But the overall movie quality, diversity, and story is not really damaged by not including reptiles.

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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2016, 02:06:30 pm »
Including reptiles would improve the movie a lot. I for one, would go watch the movie in the movie theatre if if had reptiles(not villainous, but as normal citizens), but without them I'm just gonna give it lowest ratings andf hate it whenever I can. Yes it is an issue, because
1 the title implies it's about animals of all kinds, not just mammals. It's called Zootopia, not mammaltopia.
2 it deals with animal stereotypes, and the stereotypes abotu reptiles(that they are evil and all) are the strongest, it would make much more sense including them
3 it is compltely unfair to reptile fans. Appearently, the big part of the target audience is furries. Well they completely left out those who like scalies(I myself not a scalie or furry, but would hate the movie even more if I was)

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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2016, 02:14:00 pm »
Quick thing that I just found out.

Apparently there is talk of a potential Zootopia sequel. Considering how well this movie is doing, this is a very likely possibility. If there is a sequel, then, if I'm understanding right, there is consideration to include reptiles and birds in the next film.

Of course there's no confirmation; this is just talk. Only time will tell if this is going to be a serious consideration down the line.

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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2016, 07:33:46 pm »
Why aren't there aliens in Firefly?

Why aren't there anthropomorphic plants in Bojack Horseman?

Why aren't there humans in My Little Pony Friendship is Magic?

Why aren't there dinosaurs in Arthur?

Why aren't there halflings in The Elder Scrolls?

Why aren't there females in Outlast?

Because there aren't. Because the creators decided that. Because of the reason DarkHououmon quoted for you. Every work has to cut things, and that's a thing Zootopia decided to cut. It's not "unfair" or "a big middle finger to scalies", it's just not the angle they took. There are plenty of other animated furry movies for you to watch if that's truly a dealbreaker for you.

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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2016, 08:44:02 pm »
If you want an anthropomorphic animal movie with reptiles, then here's something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FZjfMfPDJ8

I've seen this trailer before and there are indeed reptiles in the movie (along with other animals, such as a snail).

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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2016, 09:31:03 pm »
Quote from: LettuceBacon&Tomato,Mar 7 2016 on  06:33 PM
Why aren't there aliens in Firefly?

Why aren't there anthropomorphic plants in Bojack Horseman?

Why aren't there humans in My Little Pony Friendship is Magic?

Why aren't there dinosaurs in Arthur?

Why aren't there halflings in The Elder Scrolls?

Why aren't there females in Outlast?

Because there aren't. Because the creators decided that. Because of the reason DarkHououmon quoted for you. Every work has to cut things, and that's a thing Zootopia decided to cut. It's not "unfair" or "a big middle finger to scalies", it's just not the angle they took. There are plenty of other animated furry movies for you to watch if that's truly a dealbreaker for you.
you're putting examples of something minor against something big. This is a fricken movie that has "animal" in title, presenting inself as a movie about animals.
As for humans in MLP - first, completely unnecessary, it's not called "my little pony in a human world", second, humans are not the stereotyped species, they are the ones who make stereotypes, not animals. your comparisson makes no sense here. It promotes itse;f "a world where Humans never existed", not "a world where humans, and no animals exist except most of mammalian species"
Yes, it does show a middle finger to people who like reptiles. Because in fact this movie is not for them, even though its announcement gave high hopes to people who like reptiles.
Geez, for a forum based on LBT I expected more support with what Zootopia is doing.
And it would be ok if it was just a small low budget project, but with all the hype and high ratings it gets I just can't ignore the fact how prejudiced it is.

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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2016, 11:28:42 pm »
I did notice this in the movie specifically. Didn't imagine a topic would come up though. But yeah, Zootopia does not have reptiles, birds, or any primates at all, not even lemurs. It does not ruin the film at all though. Heck, I for one wanted more bears, but for what we got, the film is still very awesome and the decision of what was included, (And the exclusion of having to explain no humans, or animals that can fly) was a very good decision as it would have been a waste of time having to explain the origin.

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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2016, 11:46:47 pm »
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Including reptiles would improve the movie a lot. I for one, would go watch the movie in the movie theatre if if had reptiles(not villainous, but as normal citizens), but without them I'm just gonna give it lowest ratings andf hate it whenever I can. Yes it is an issue, because
1 the title implies it's about animals of all kinds, not just mammals. It's called Zootopia, not mammaltopia.
2 it deals with animal stereotypes, and the stereotypes abotu reptiles(that they are evil and all) are the strongest, it would make much more sense including them
3 it is compltely unfair to reptile fans. Appearently, the big part of the target audience is furries. Well they completely left out those who like scalies(I myself not a scalie or furry, but would hate the movie even more if I was)

Don't be like me. I hate the movie "Finding Nemo" and the reason I hate it is quite immature and selfish, I will openly admit that. The reason I hate it is because I felt it was very unfair in a category of animated movies, all the other movies were traditional 2D and they threw in Finding Nemo. Brother Bear was sure to win that category but could not compete with the 3D of the other one.

So I'm telling you, don't hate the movie simply because it has no reptiles in it. It's odd enough that you hate it when you aren't even a scaly.


Edit: I posted this in a rush. If it's not clear, I'm speaking about the Oscars. Brother Bear lost to Finding Nemo at the Oscars.

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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2016, 12:09:54 am »
Quote from: Petrie157578641,Mar 7 2016 on  08:31 PM
you're putting examples of something minor against something big.

Says who? You? I don't think the absence of reptiles matters at all. Most people don't think it matters at all.

You're suffering from myopia. You think its a big deal, but you're trying to speak for some nonexistent majority.

Quote from: Petrie157578641,Mar 7 2016 on  08:31 PM
Yes, it does show a middle finger to people who like reptiles. Because in fact this movie is not for them, even though its announcement gave high hopes to people who like reptiles.

What about people who like fish? What about people who like fungus? What about people who like monkeys? And dragons? And insects? And the literally uncountable number of biological classifications who did not get anthropomorphic representations in this film? Do you think the creators should have shoehorned all of those types into the movie somewhere, and that their failure to do so constitutes an attack on those fandoms?

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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2016, 02:38:58 am »
Quote from: Petrie157578641,Mar 7 2016 on  01:06 PM
I for one, would go watch the movie in the movie theatre if if had reptiles(not villainous, but as normal citizens), but without them I'm just gonna give it lowest ratings and hate it whenever I can.
Well that's just being flat out unreasonable. It's a good movie, it doesn't really deserve that treatment when you haven't even watched it.

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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2016, 03:47:56 am »
Quote from: Truttle,Mar 7 2016 on  10:46 PM
Don't be like me. I hate the movie "Finding Nemo" and the reason I hate it is quite immature and selfish, I will openly admit that. The reason I hate it is because I felt it was very unfair in a category of animated movies, all the other movies were traditional 2D and they threw in Finding Nemo. Brother Bear was sure to win that category but could not compete with the 3D of the other one.

So I'm telling you, don't hate the movie simply because it has no reptiles in it. It's odd enough that you hate it when you aren't even a scaly.

Edit: I posted this in a rush. If it's not clear, I'm speaking about the Oscars. Brother Bear lost to Finding Nemo at the Oscars.

 
It is not just because of my own taste. You people have no clue, do you? Read this

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main...lesAreAbhorrent

Trust me, someone who studied this topic his whole life, the examples on this page or just a tip of the iceberg. And You're telling me that while it's a Disney movie(one of creators admitted that he liked the idea of anthropomophic animals in Robin Hood, and in that movie there was an evil snake and an evil crocodile), which most often avoided and made villains of reptiles so often didn't include them and, that most of cartoon creators make mammals main characters "because they are cute" and more appealing to adult audience is JUST a coincidence here?
The hate to reptiles in the world even goes to a point where people put a mammal life over a reptile life.I am in an animal protecting soeciety, quite a big one(several hundred people), and I was the first one to start protecting reptiles(people use reptile skin for making purses and stuff, obviously), not just furry animals liek others did,  So how can this be compared even remotely which kind of animation you like, 2D and 3D?

No, not a scaly, but a huge reptile fan. There is a difference.

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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2016, 03:54:12 am »
Quote from: LettuceBacon&Tomato,Mar 7 2016 on  11:09 PM
Quote from: Petrie157578641,Mar 7 2016 on  08:31 PM
you're putting examples of something minor against something big.

Says who? You? I don't think the absence of reptiles matters at all. Most people don't think it matters at all.

You're suffering from myopia. You think its a big deal, but you're trying to speak for some nonexistent majority.

Quote from: Petrie157578641,Mar 7 2016 on  08:31 PM
Yes, it does show a middle finger to people who like reptiles. Because in fact this movie is not for them, even though its announcement gave high hopes to people who like reptiles.

What about people who like fish? What about people who like fungus? What about people who like monkeys? And dragons? And insects? And the literally uncountable number of biological classifications who did not get anthropomorphic representations in this film? Do you think the creators should have shoehorned all of those types into the movie somewhere, and that their failure to do so constitutes an attack on those fandoms?
if you're a troll, just let me know, because you really seem more liek a troll to me than someone who wanted to give a honest answer
Likie "Why aren't there halflings in The Elder Scrolls?"
If we compared it to Zootopia, it would be like "why are there no crocodiles in it", not fricken all other classes except for mammals! so yes it's a big deal. Not to mention that all fantasy worlds are different. Some include hobbits, some don't. Again, this movie was promoted as one "where humans never existed", no mention of only mammals being in it.

As for animals you mentioned above - they could have included most of classes, putting a few animals of it here and there, and don't tell me it was hard to do, because it wasn't. And I'm not talking about dragons and fish for obvious reasons, and fungus, while not a plant, isn't an animal either.

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« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2016, 11:41:17 am »
There's a solution called fanfiction. Want to have a Zootopia where reptiles are present...write it yourself and let your imagination run free.

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« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2016, 12:25:01 pm »
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It is not just because of my own taste. You people have no clue, do you? Read this

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main...lesAreAbhorrent

Trust me, someone who studied this topic his whole life, the examples on this page or just a tip of the iceberg. And You're telling me that while it's a Disney movie(one of creators admitted that he liked the idea of anthropomophic animals in Robin Hood, and in that movie there was an evil snake and an evil crocodile), which most often avoided and made villains of reptiles so often didn't include them and, that most of cartoon creators make mammals main characters "because they are cute" and more appealing to adult audience is JUST a coincidence here?
The hate to reptiles in the world even goes to a point where people put a mammal life over a reptile life.I am in an animal protecting soeciety, quite a big one(several hundred people), and I was the first one to start protecting reptiles(people use reptile skin for making purses and stuff, obviously), not just furry animals liek others did, So how can this be compared even remotely which kind of animation you like, 2D and 3D?

No, not a scaly, but a huge reptile fan. There is a difference.
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Hey, I get you. I understand. I love all animals too. But you're misunderstanding. You're trying to make assumptions when you don't even know if this was the intention of the creators. The point I was trying to make is that you shouldn't hate a movie simply because you "think" that is the reason behind the movie. Lots of people like reptiles and other less-used creatures. Some reptiles are the heroes in certain created arts. To name a few, Spyro the dragon, Gex the gecko, Yoshi the dinosaur, Croc the crocodile, and the snake brothers in Snake Rattle and Roll.

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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2016, 07:09:33 pm »
Quote from: Petrie157578641,Mar 8 2016 on  02:54 AM
if you're a troll, just let me know, because you really seem more liek a troll to me than someone who wanted to give a honest answer

I've got over six-thousand posts and zero infractions. Feel free to consider me a troll, but what I'm doing is bluntly stating the truth and not sugar-coating it for you.

Quote from: Petrie157578641,Mar 8 2016 on  02:54 AM
Likie "Why aren't there halflings in The Elder Scrolls?"
If we compared it to Zootopia, it would be like "why are there no crocodiles in it", not fricken all other classes except for mammals! so yes it's a big deal. Not to mention that all fantasy worlds are different. Some include hobbits, some don't. Again, this movie was promoted as one "where humans never existed", no mention of only mammals being in it.

Not all rectangles are squares. The statement "humans don't exist" does not require or imply that any possible non-human does exist.

Quote from: Petrie157578641,Mar 8 2016 on  02:54 AM
As for animals you mentioned above - they could have included most of classes, putting a few animals of it here and there, and don't tell me it was hard to do, because it wasn't. And I'm not talking about dragons and fish for obvious reasons, and fungus, while not a plant, isn't an animal either.

I never said it would be hard, I said it would be unnecessary. You don't add unneeded crap into a story, and their story clearly didn't need reptiles.

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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2016, 10:44:39 pm »
Petrie15,

Cluttering a story with too much stuff isn't really a good idea. Sometimes, it gets to a point where things just have to be cut. The story needs to be able to flow in an understandable way, or else you risk losing the audience.

What purpose would showing reptiles have had? Showing diversity? They already accomplished this with the wide variety of mammals. Adding reptiles wouldn't have really added much to the story. Perhaps a sequel can work them in with a different plot, but the plot of Zootopia and its setting did not really require reptiles.

While inclusion is nice, things added in a story have to have a purpose beyond just trying to appeal to a minority.

And as pointed out before, excluding something isn't really an attack or a statement against those groups. Streamlining a story is important. While you don't want a story to be lacking in substanence, you also don't want it to be overflowing with too much stuff either, as that can do harm in its own right. And the reasons for exclusion can vary, but it isn't always a jab or because they don't like it. It could be because the material is not necessary for the story they want to tell.

If not having reptiles causes Zootopia to be a deal breaker for you, Petrie15, then okay. As pointed out, there are other options. For instance, Sing, which I posted a trailer to earlier on, which has reptiles in it, not just mammals.