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« on: June 19, 2008, 03:47:43 AM »
Here we can discuss the design of the Great Valley map and its surroundings.

Malte and Iris have been working on developing maps for us.  With their permission I'd like to post their maps here for further discussion.

Our goal: To create a 3d map of the Great Valley that contains within it, all of the important landmarks of the LBT film series, as many geographical locations from the movies as possible, and an overall resemblance to the valley that know and love in the films.

Because the Valley's design is inconsistant, we will need to use our wits and "engineer" a single Great Valley from the bits and pieces we know from the films.  Malte and Iris have both done very good jobs with this so far and I want to continue the development of the map of the Great Valley until we agree on a final design for it.

Once we reach that conclusion, I will work on converting a paper or 2d drawing into a 3D version for our game.

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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2008, 09:24:24 AM »
Malte has done so much more than I did. I only made a detailed map of lbt 2. and tried of the others, but that didn't work out. If malte gives permission to post his map here, I could make the map a bit more clear/easier to read/use :D

(because sometimes you really have to seaaarch for a place. :lol )

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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2008, 12:21:02 PM »
Of course you have my permission ;)
I hope that combined efforts will help to improve the maps. There are quite a few contestable "claims" on that map draft of mine (for example the only way I found to explain the absence of landmarks from the sequels in the Great Valley which Littlefoot saw in the original movie was the "heretic" claim that all he saw was but a small secluded section of the Great Valley surrounded by walls blocking the view on most of the Great Valley which in fact must have been much greater than it looked. On the map that secluded part can be seen in the west of the Valley). In some cases I didn't come up with a satisfactory solution at all.

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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2008, 04:39:36 PM »
Thanks, Malte:

Here is the Great Valley map that Malte has designed:


The part of the valley that we see at the end of LBT 1 is on the far right, closed off by large structures.  If that is the case, than the Great Valley truly is absolutely Massive in size.

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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2008, 04:46:54 PM »
That sounds interesting.  Though as I recall the exact placement of most places can be put pretty much anywhere since they do not say exactly where most places are, or how long the gang travels to get there.

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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2008, 04:57:16 PM »
Looks great! And to make some places "special meeting grounds" sure is a good idea!  :yes
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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2008, 04:58:06 PM »
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Though as I recall the exact placement of most places can be put pretty much anywhere since they do not say exactly where most places are, or how long the gang travels to get there.
The tricky part is setting up the map in such a way so that it's possible that every movie potentially took place there.  We want to avoid such things as "Wait...if this is here...than how did (event) work in LBT##?  That's impossible!"

If we can do that, we're set. ;)

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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2008, 05:59:34 PM »
Though direction is hard to tell since often, when I've looked, it has seemed like nearly everything that happens at daytime happens around noon.  Which I can understand why they draw the shadows like that.  If they have different teams working on different bits of animation at the same time it's better to do that they try to figure out how shadows should look for this team, and for that team.  And distance too since they often do a transition, and no character has said, remember Littlefoot's nest is exactly 1000 Littlefoot steps from Ducky's mother's nest, and from there to Cera's is 500 Littlefoot steps.

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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2008, 03:23:52 AM »
Wow...that is a seriously well laid-out map. Mine would have been composed of ovals and arrows, and probably include the waterfall, the entrance, and a whole lot of grass.

Also, on the continuity problem, I don't think we need to worry too much about people putting up a fuss about some location not jiving with another. First of all, most people who'll probably try out the RPG won't have the IQ and/or the LBTQ to notice. And on the offchance we have Mr. Smart@$$ showing up, there's always plan B.

Mr. Smart@$$: Wait...if this is here...than how did (event) work in LBT##? That's impossible!

Us: Magic. Deal with it.

Though maybe others feel more strongly on the matter than me. Continuity has never been high on my to-notice list (I grew up with Star Trek and SeaQuest, neither of which will be getting any "Seamless Storyline" awards anytime soon). Of course, this is why I'm not the mapmaker.

Speaking of which, can I mention again great job Malte? I'm not good at reading Follow-the-Number keys, but just reading all the locations apparently in there somewhere, it's really extensive. Kudos.

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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2008, 03:46:05 AM »
^ Thank you :)
I started trying to draw a map with photoshop with different colors for the altitudes etc. However, with university work etc. going on I'm afraid it may take a while to finish. Also I begin to realize that there cannot be a complete map of the Great Valley with all the details we need. There must be larger scale maps of smaller sections of the Valley. Maps which include details such as individual trees and rocks which are too small to be represented on a map of the whole valley, but which may be important for some tasks.

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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2008, 09:08:36 AM »
Quote from: Malte279,Jun 20 2008 on  09:46 AM
I started trying to draw a map with photoshop with different colors for the altitudes etc. However, with university work etc. going on I'm afraid it may take a while to finish. Also I begin to realize that there cannot be a complete map of the Great Valley with all the details we need. There must be larger scale maps of smaller sections of the Valley. Maps which include details such as individual trees and rocks which are too small to be represented on a map of the whole valley, but which may be important for some tasks.
 :^.^: Shall I help you with drawing that map in photoshop? I've got more time at this moment than you do I suppose.. If you want me to give it a try as well just shout my name and I'll hear you :p  :yes

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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2008, 12:04:01 PM »
Of course :yes
In general I think that many map drafts may help to create a  map made of the best parts of the individual drafts :yes

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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2008, 01:25:19 PM »
Information on the Great Valley provided by the original move is sparse and some of the views we get contradict each other, so a good deal of the map drawing has to be improvised or based on guesswork.
Here is a draft I made for the section of the Great Valley shown in the first movie (which as mentioned above makes probably up for but a fraction of the whole Valley). I included a few screenshots to mark some of the spots on the map.
This is still a rough draft and focuses mainly on lines of altitude. Vegetation is not marked on this map so far and I suppose that a final version would included many more knolls etc. However, do you think that you can programm this type of landscape Tim?

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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2008, 01:28:52 PM »
Nicely done. I'd help you if I had a clue where to start.

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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2008, 01:52:59 PM »
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However, do you think that you can programm this type of landscape Tim?
Yep, I can get the bumps/hills in on the map fine, so long as I know where they're going to be.  :)

Nice job, Malte! :D

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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2008, 05:11:38 PM »
WAUW, nice work guys. That map really gives one a chance to see how the Great Valley actually looks like from above.
Nice work

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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2008, 05:24:12 PM »
Just a fraction of the whole Valley though. Just the part shown in the original movie.

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« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2008, 01:36:08 AM »
The great Valley is huge.  The picture I got of the Great Valley isn't all of of it but is a large part of it.  I don't remember which movie I got it from.

Hope you do not mind.  I doubt it'll help any but I"ll post some links to the lbt wiki where the pictures that I uploaded to lbt wiki are.  In some cases I have some other pictures then those here, or I still have the whole picture whereas I cut it to put on lbt wiki.  Some locations I do not have since they are not out on dvd yet, and the copies I do have are of not good enough quality to upload a picture to lbt wiki.  Hope this helps a little and isn't to spammy.

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Great Valley (somewhat overhead view of most of it)
http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Great_Valley.jpg

Meadow of Jumping Water (outside of the Great Valley, but close)
http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Image...mping_Water.jpg

Land of Mists (outside the great valley, note: Ali calls it the Valley of mists I think in the movie when she shows it to the gang for the first time)
http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Land_of_Mists.jpg

Canyon of Shiny Stones : Close up of one part  http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Image...ny_Stones_1.jpg

Longer shot: http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Image...hiny_Stones.jpg

Ruby's Thinking Place : http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Image...nking_Place.jpg

Sinking Sand : http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Sinking_Sand.jpg


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« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2008, 04:55:04 AM »
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Hope you do not mind. I doubt it'll help any but I"ll post some links to the lbt wiki where the pictures that I uploaded to lbt wiki are.
On the contrary Kor, these pictures can be quite helpful, the much the more as so far the TV episodes have not been taken into account in the mapmaking. So thanks a lot for the pictures :)
The small section of the Valley depicted on the map above is meant to become a kind of tutorial / training ground where the players get tasks to "test" all of their basic and special (that is species based) abilities.

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« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2008, 05:24:03 AM »
Glad I was of slight help.  I forgot some others that may be of very slight help.   Hope this is not to Spammy.  I'm sorry it's such a long post, and no idea if any of these will help or are useless.

Threehorn Peak (I have the whole uncut picture on my hdd and no way to get it to the folks here, the version on lbt wiki is cut.  http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Image...eehorn_Peak.JPG

Saurus Rock : http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Saurus_Rock.jpg

Smoking Mountain (again cut w/ the full version on my hdd) : http://images.wikia.com/landbeforetime/ima...ng_Mountain.JPG

The inside of Black Rock where the Groundstar Plant is : http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Image...dstar_Plant.jpg
another spot of Black Rock though Swooper is in the shot you can see some of the area around him.  http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Swooper.jpg



Hanging Rock : http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Hanging_Rock.jpg
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Pics of some plants, not counting the groundstar plant pic above.

 Ground Prickley : http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Image...nd_Prickley.jpg

Ground Star Leaf   : http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Image...ndstar_Leaf.jpg

Night Flowers   : http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Night_Flowers.jpg

Red Tree Star   : http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Red_Tree_Star.jpg

Sweet Bubbles   : http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Sweet_Bubbles.jpg

Treestar   : http://images.wikia.com/landbeforetime/ima.../Treestar_a.jpg

close up of some fastbiter kids with a parent, and a bit of the mountain where the secret caverns are on the mysterious beyond side: http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Fastbiters.jpg   I have a longshot on my hdd but not uploaded anywhere.

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Misc junk.

Sky Color Stones : http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Image...olor_stones.jpg

Stinky Place  (from 5th movie island)  : http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Stinky_Place.jpg

Stinky Flowers   (from 5th movie island)  : http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Image...nky_Flowers.jpg

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Some  random screenshots of the Great Valley during the Grandma's Lullaby Song.

http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Image:1-2.jpg

http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Image:1-4.jpg

http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Image:1-5.jpg

http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Image:1-6.jpg

http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Image:2-3.jpg

Part of Littlefoot's sleeping area : http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Image:3-5.jpg