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« on: January 05, 2006, 06:23:10 pm »
Hi!
Somebody in the network54 forum posted something I have been wondering about for a while though I never ever posted it in the forums. Not that I would have been embarrassed to, but I just never thought of posting it.
Do you think that Cera may have sort of a little crush on Littlefoot?
Naturally I'm not thinking of anything of the like certain people did  <_< (See after midnight section) but something more harmless.
There are several points that cannot be discredited lightly.
Whenever Littlefoot is getting to know someone Cera is getting very suspicious about that character.
This is most obvious in the cases of Ali and Mo (in the later case she actually admits she was jealous), less so in case of Chomper, Doc, and the rainbowfaces. She doesn't display a similar kind of reservedness against characters such as Tippy (who is mainly dealing with Spike). She doesn't care as much about Spike leaving the Valley (LBT 8) as she does when Littlefoot does (LBT 10).
There may actually be something Cera wouldn't even admit to herself. At least there are some points speaking against the mere idea being just rubbish. I suppose it may be that kind of primary school crush and jealousy many of you may know.

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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2006, 08:31:17 pm »
That is possible, Malte. her jealousy flares up particularly in Ali's case, although I would atrribute it to Littlefoot hanging around with Ali rather with her and the others. Jealous perhaps, that he has found a new friend.
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2006, 11:45:35 pm »
I can see the points in that arugment and agree that it's possible, but I have to say that I don't see it.

Cera likes routine, and doesn't like anything that would potentially bust up her social circle, because let's face it: Littlefoot leaving or finding a new friend to hang out with impacts their group infinitely more than Spike leaving or finding a new friend.

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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2006, 05:42:02 am »
Cera tends to be somewhat susceptable to jealous feelings, and we can likely agree that jealousy is Not a key to a healthy relationship, of any status.  This can be observed most clearly, as Malte stated, in LBT 9 regarding Mo.  

However, if you look at when Ali is First introduced to the Gang in LBT 4, before they are aware of her fear of other species, Cera seems quite content, greeting Ali politely.  As it becomes clearer that Ali is afraid, Cera tends to play on Ali's fear by stating that "Threehorns can be VERY scary!"  Cera is known to pick on the weaker characteristics of her friends (such as in LBT2 when she called littlefoot scared when he wouldn't go after the egg-nappers), so this action is not necessarily one of hostility.  Cera just tends to say (and show) what she thinks, and sometimes she is a tad impulsive :P:

If you look at how Cera and Ali's relationship develops, you can see the acceptance in Cera's behavior.  From the moment Cera steps aside to let Ali lie between her and Littlefoot, I think it's safe to say that Cera has lost her negative feelings towards Ali, and there is no sign of jealousy throughout the rest of LBT 4.

The fact that Cera accepts Ali as a good friend, says that she feels that her friends like her for who she is, and she doesn't have to worry about someone else taking her place.

How does this relate to the Cera / Littlefoot crush scenario?  
If Cera did have a crush, per se, on Littlefoot, I suspect that she would still show a shimmer of hostility towards Ali, just as you would see in any human relationship.  It's not in Cera's character to keep feelings bottled up.  I can only think of one example where she sort of tried to:
LBT 7, when the Gang is crossing the vine while searching for Ducky.

Littlefoot: "How are you doing, Cera?"
Cera: *shaking, with a worried voice* "Fine...Doing fine..."

Cera is unskilled at hiding her true feelings, she rarely attempts to, and therefore I don't believe she feels that Ali is of Any threat to her relationship with Littlefoot.

Now, this could mean one of two things:

1) Cera and Littlefoot are on Very good terms, and Cera feels that her bond with littlefoot is special, compared to Ali's bond with him, and Cera has no reason to worry.  However, this analysis is very advanced for someone of the age of the Gang.  Believe me, I'm 19 and I have trouble working out these things sometimes, lol :P:

2) Cera genuinely feels friendship and warmth towards Littlefoot, but no more.  It's hard to define "Crush" at this age, especially in the case of LBT, where different species are involved.  In theory, animals of different species do not look at each other as potential mates, or with feeling of physical "attraction."  I will admit the LBT series breaks a number of biological rules, such as, well....the dinosaurs never "relieve" themselves, but that's another topic :p
but anyways, some rules still must apply to some extent.  

All I can figure, is that the Gang is too young to even know that they "can't" be physically attracted to another species, so they sort of pretend that they can, and do.  Hence the potential Cera / Littlefoot crush.

However, when it comes to claims that Cera has regarding her Abilities, that's another story completely (LBT 10 - the rock splitting incident in the Great Valley.  Enough said :P:)

Cera will admit when she's Really scared, or Really mad, but when it comes to relatively minor situations, she tends to turn the other cheek towards it, and not admit it to her friends.  Her friends, of course, can see right past the stories that Cera pushes onto them, further showing that Cera is weak at concealing her true feelings by masking or lying about them.
However, when she is truly feeling bothered, she's not afraid to come out and say it:
 For example, in LBT 2: When they fall into the Mysterious Beyond after chasing the egg-nappers, Cera is very sad, and says to the gang, "I wanna go home."


In summary, Cera is a fairly easy character to read; you can tell what mood she is in, simply by her tone of voice, and her actions.  As a result, I conclude that she has no negative feelings for Ali by the end of LBT 4.
 The Cera/Littlefoot crush is possible, but I do not feel that there is any real basis for it.  It's just sort of a warm feeling that Cera has for Littlefoot, for a number of reasons.  Perhaps "crush" simply needs to be defined more clearly.  I defined "crush" in this writing as, basically, the beginnings of a realtionship that is on a level seperate from a relationship with anyone else; in short, a closer level.
I will say though, that at some level, Cera feels close to Littlefoot, and I'm sure Littlefoot can return this feeling.


I think I'll stop there :P:  MY apologies if this sounds like rambling, or if I have any non-sensical sentences: It's 2:45 in the morning, but I didn't feel like heading off to bed just yet.  I think I will now, though.  Night folks!  Be back soon :D

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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2006, 07:12:02 am »
There are a bunch of really interesting responses here!  :)
First of all I definitely agree on this:
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Perhaps "crush" simply needs to be defined more clearly.
Having been accused of exactly what I was not meaning to say in the N54 forum I think it may perhaps be for different realization of that word and maybe my not being a native speaker is playing a trick on me again. The German phrase for "to have a crush on somebody" would be "verknallt sein" and usually it refers only to something very "innocent" that got little (if at all) to do with physical attraction. I'm quite convinced that Littlefoot and the others are way too young for that kind of perception.
We see it from the kindergarten on; very good friends, one of them makes friends with another one, and the first friend will get jealous and reserved towards the new friend for reasons that got nothing to do with that new friend him or herself.
It is probably what you too meant WR when you wrote
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Cera likes routine, and doesn't like anything that would potentially bust up her social circle
I'm not thoroughly convinced of the difference in importance between Spike and Littlefoot. To us it must appear like that for the camera is mainly on Littlefoot. However, there are no cameras to be seen in the Great Valley and there are relatively frequent occassions when Littlefoot joins his friends who are already playing (LBT 2, LBT 3, LBT 6... there may be more I can't think of right now). He undoubtedly is of major importance and I suppose the general relationship between Cera and Littlefoot (leaving the crush business aside for a moment) is likely to be closer than that of Cera and Spike, but I don't reckon it is as big as the camera's focus on Littlefoot might make us think.
I think you described the whole matter very good action9000. Quite a thorough analysis of Cera's character  :)
Cera's first greeting of Ali was indeed relatively friendly and it was Ali who first showed being scared (or should I say racialist) which set Cera against her. Still I always had the impression of a slight reservedness from Cera's side from the very beginning. I need to listen to the English version of LBT 4 again, but in the German her first "Hello Ali" is definitely somewhat cool.

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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2006, 11:53:54 am »
Well, being one who is more advanced on the subject of love than most people I have met, I can give you much truth to such a relationship.

Now, I have come to understand something with love that I see many of you haven't.  Love is NEVER an age thing.  You can fall in love with someone at ANY age really.  Whether or not you understand or aware of it fully, that's another thing.

They say that when two friends fight, they really care about eachother.  This has been proven to be quite true with "the couple" we are talking about here.

We have seen them have argument after argument. (I'd say just about 1 each movie.) Yet, even after all that, they are still the best of friends.

Now, it has come to my attention one little thing when it comes to a love vs. friendship arguement over arguing.  Often times, those who are more towards the area of love than that of mere friendship, "I'm sorry" is not said.

Okay, with this piece of information, I can tell you that they haven't apologized for most of their fights.  Now, with just this piece of information, I know that a hypershipper of such a couple would say "OMG! THEIR N LUV!" However, I am one who is far more mature than that and likes to look for whatever proff possible there may be to such a case.  So, there is indeed more to go on...

Cera indeed seems to care for Littlefoot more than anyone else.  In LBT 4, when news of Littlefoot being in danger came from Ali, I noted that Cera took the longest to react to the news.  However, the difference was so short, it was hard to tell.  Before she accused Ali of lying, Cera had her mouth hung open in great worry.  Despite her disbelief in Ali, her worry took over and she went to save Littlefoot.

Now, terms of jealousy.

We once again go to LBT 4 for this.  The time Littlefoot spent with Ali she was quite jealous towards.  It was only after Ali saved her from Dil that Cera gave her a chance at being a friend.  After her history was given to the gang, she was highly accepted by Cera, and no longer seen as a threat to her friendship with Littlefoot.

She indeed got jealous of Littlefoot and Mo's friendship in LBT 9.  Now, with LBT 9 now being my fav out of all of them, (Thanks to Mo.) I can tell you one little fact I saw with Cera.  She thought that this friendship that Littlefoot had was a threat to her own, thus her jealousy.  It was only after Mo was BELIEVED to have died that the jealousy left. (I too thought Mo died the first time I saw it.  I was on the verge of crying!)

Now, the other stuff.

It seemed to me that from the beginning, they wanted to be friends.  What's a little play fight between two friends?  With how often they ran into eachother in the first movie, it just seemed that fate was telling them that they were supposed to become friends.

So, after studying this, I can tell you guys this...

it's true.  The rumor you heard Malte is indeed fact.  However, them ending up together will not happen.  When the time comes, they'll do what's best for eachother.  I'm one who highly understands why it won't happen.  However, it is one of those shippings that is fun to support while it lasts.

It's a love/hate relationship.  They hate eachother one minute and the next, they love eachother.  Sadly, because they are two completely different species of dinosaur, they won't end up together.  It ends up being this little thing that stops them from being together in the end.

So in conclusion, I believe simply this, it's a love/hate relationship and even though we know that they'll never end up together, they will always love eachother.

This is what I believe, and those beliefs have nearly a zero chance of changing.

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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2006, 09:59:23 pm »
Interesting read guys. :)  Just going to say, I've nothing to add.

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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2006, 04:46:48 pm »
Hmm, intresting.  I never noticed that before.  Perhaps she does have a crush on Littlefoot.





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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2006, 11:52:45 pm »
Yes I've noticed that she always tends to care the most whenever Littlefoot is in danger.

Well there's nothing I can really say right now that isn't already stated   :P:  Dang and I wanted to sound smart  :lol

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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2006, 02:24:25 am »
Thanks to Malte helpping me have a different view of the song, Eggs, and giving it enough respect to make me want to watch LBT 2 again, I found a few things I had possibly forgotten about.

In LBT 2, as hard as it may be to believe, there were hints for this "couple."

Cera:  Call me and Littlefoot a couple again, and you'll regret it!

Okay, Cera!  Sorry! -_-

Anyways, as I was saying, there were hints.

The first one I would consider a hint that comes of great interest to me, is after Littlefoot tried to make Chomper eat some green food and failed.  He then decides to get some advice from his grandparents.  Now, while he's walking away from Chomper, he says this:

"If Cera ever finds out, she'll kill me!"

Now, it is interesting to me that Littlefoot seemed to be most worried about Cera finding out about him taking care of this baby sharptooth.  I believe that he knew that this kind of knowledge being given to Cera would jeopradize their current relationship.  I have knowen those in love to have quite a worry about certian things getting out that end up having a possiblity of ruining a relationship.  So, with him worried about how this would effect their relationship, one can agree that this was a hint.

And of course, there's the quarrel over whether or not Chomper should stay with them.  I find it ironic that even though Cera was against Chomper staying, she was willing to look for him and follow along with Littlefoot.  Maybe a part of her wanted to make Littlefoot happy, despite her disapproval.  I've known one's in love to go along with someone, even when they don't approve of certian things, in an attempt to keep the one they are most attracted to happy.  This would definately give a hint on Cera's part.

There is one more, but I don't have the time to post it now.

I'll put it in later.  For now, discuss what you think of these hints.

And see more of what your views are for this "couple."

Cera: That's it! *charges towards me.*

:blink: Uh-oh!  Gotta go, bye! :wave *runs off*

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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2006, 04:48:42 am »
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"If Cera ever finds out, she'll kill me!"
I had been wondering about that quote for a while, yet I think there is a perfectly harmless explanation for it. Cera made Littlefoot promise he wouldn't tell the grownups anything about their trip to the Mysterious Beyond or the egg they found there. When he went to ask his grandparents for advice I suppose Littlefoot expected to be questioned by them and maybe played with the thought of telling the grownups about it after all (eventually) the situation had changed considerably since his promise to Cera (by the egg turning out to be a sharptooth egg).
As for Cera's conduct towards Chomper, it is rather inconstant, but I suppose that after her hearty welcoming of him his bite did a good deal to turn Chomper against her. Later on she seems to have forgotten (or at least forgiven the bite). I don't think these elements should be overinterpreted.

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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2006, 03:36:21 pm »
Well, isn't my explanation perfectly harmless as well, Malte? :D

Now, time for that final hint.

As you know, there is one point in the movie where the gang runs away from Chomper's parents.  Now, during the chase, you will note that Cera stops for a minute and cowers right on top of a stump.  The only one to go back for her to save her is Littlefoot.  I'm sure those who are familiar with the terms of love can understand why this is a hint and doesn't need a real explanation.  What other kind of being in the world would put themselves in harms way to save you?  There is no doubt that Littlefoot saved Cera because of how much he cared.

However, I question Cera's behavior.  Why she cowered in fear, I do not understand.  It just seems out of charcter.  Can anyone give a perfectly good explanation on this? :)

Now, to watch LBT 3, and see any more possible hints.

That's right!  I plan to watch them all, and find any possible hints.

See ya later. :wave

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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2006, 05:37:46 pm »
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The only one to go back for her to save her is Littlefoot. I'm sure those who are familiar with the terms of love can understand why this is a hint and doesn't need a real explanation.
Littlefoot does the same for Spike in LBT 6, Cera does the same for Petrie in LBT 7, Ducky does the same for Spike in the original movie... the list goes on. Of its own I think the scene is not to be taken as a proof for anything.
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However, I question Cera's behavior. Why she cowered in fear, I do not understand. It just seems out of charcter. Can anyone give a perfectly good explanation on this?
Cera often acts very brave, but when she actually comes into perilous situations she often seems loose nerves.
Who would blame her? Has anyone here ever been in a perilous situation? I suppose many would not necessarily act sensible in such a situation.

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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2006, 07:01:46 pm »
All right, Malte!  You win that one! -_-

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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2006, 08:09:27 pm »
win?  <_<
What is this? A competition? Not as far as I'm concerned.
I understand this to be a discussion on the land before time and I certainly don't understand it to be about who distinguishes best but on what the movies show and what to make of it. It is funny that I (who brought the topic up in the first place) seem to argue against the very point I came up with. In fact while I do think that there may be the kind of sand-box love I've described earlier I just don't think that particular point supports the theory. Things can be overinterpreted.
Speaking of overinterpretation by the way I'm sure the very same conservative christians (I'll leave it to everybody's judgement what to make of them) who wrote this article on Disney's Dinosaur would be able to write similar stuff on the land before time. It would be fun to read what they would make of the land before time (apart from the fact that Chomper is purple)  :lol:

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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2006, 10:07:13 pm »
He meant win the debate as in you made it so that he couldn't disagree with the statement any further.

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« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2006, 04:24:59 pm »
Okay, after giving the next post of mine ALOT of thought, I have come to this nice little conclusion on questionable hints in LBT 3.

Now, this is what shippers would call the HINT VIDEO for the Littlefoot & Cera pairing.

Why, you ask?

Well, as we know, Littlefoot was seen as a "bad influence" when he accidently splashed "precious" water on Mr. Threehorn.  As such, he forbid Cera to EVER play with Littlefoot again.  Cera protested against this, even giving her father a firm "NO!"

This little forbidden to play with Littlefoot thing led up to the point where she ran away.  She then secretly met with Littlefoot to solve the water problem.

Cera disobeying her dad for this, shows that she truly cares about the time she spends with Littlefoot.  Their friendship is so important to her that she would disobey her dad just to spend time with him.

I can't help but think of LBT 3 as one of the biggest hints ever.

What do you guys think? :)

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« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2006, 05:45:14 pm »
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Well, as we know, Littlefoot was seen as a "bad influence" when he accidently splashed "precious" water on Mr. Threehorn. As such, he forbid Cera to EVER play with Littlefoot again. Cera protested against this, even giving her father a firm "NO!"

This little forbidden to play with Littlefoot thing led up to the point where she ran away. She then secretly met with Littlefoot to solve the water problem.

Cera disobeying her dad for this, shows that she truly cares about the time she spends with Littlefoot. Their friendship is so important to her that she would disobey her dad just to spend time with him.
I honestly don't blame Cera for being upset with her father when he gave her such strict rules about who she can spend time with, especially when the reasoning wasn't justified.  Mr. Threehorn may have thought it to be right, but the Gang and the viewers all know that the desicion to consider Littlefoot as a Bad Influence was irrational.  If your family decided it was unacceptable for you to never see or talk to one of your best friends ever again, how would you feel?  Cera and Littlefoot have a Long history together, for almost as long as they have been alive.  

Cera doesn't like being controlled, and this new rule placed a massive "leash" if you will, on Cera's life.  The fact that Littlefoot was often with the rest of the Gang also meant that Cera would also be forbidden from playing with the group as a whole, as well.  This severely limits Cera's freedom.

She approaches Littlefoot first because she feels she needs to talk with him directly about how to solve the problem between her and her father.  He is the most direct source of the solution, as he was the source of the "problem", to Mr. Threehorn.  Logically, after attempting to talk with her father, it makes the most sense for her to talk to Littlefoot first , to resolve the conflict.  They decide that if they find water, everything will be good again.  Such a task is better suited to a group, so they round up the rest of the gang to help, and the plot continues.  Even if Cera didn't head off to find Littlefoot first, I'm sure the gang would have eventually.  Large tasks are best handled as a group, and our Gang knows this very well.  They would have found some way to have Littlefoot come along, even if Cera didn't choose to meet with him first.

I do not believe that Cera would have reacted much differently, had it been Ducky, Spike or Petrie who splashed Mr. Threehorn.  Of course, we can't say for sure, but if Cera had been forbidden from playing with any of them, I cna almost guarantee, from knowing Cera's character, that she would feel resentful about the amount of limitation her father had put on her life, and that she would want to do something about it.  The fact that it was Littlefoot who splashed Mr. Threehorn, and not another member of the gang, is little more than coincidence.  Cera's reaction would have been similar, no matter which one of her friends she was forced to abandon.

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« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2006, 05:22:23 pm »
Quite true.

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« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2007, 06:12:00 pm »
I think that there may be some evidence to the Cera/Littlefoot thing in the scene for "Bestest Friends."  For one thing, Cera seems even sadder than the others when she thinks she may have to say goodbye, and then the way she puts her cheek on Littlefoot's seems like she may really like him.  Of course, this could all just be wishful thinking on my part. :^.^:, since I  :wub: this pairing...
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