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Not going to take some time off to relax and do other stuff for a bit before you start on the next part, now that you've reached the end of the fellowship of the ring?


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a very stronmg summation, although i would give it a stronger praise thatn 'good but flawed' yes there is no such thing as a perfect film, but the fellowship to me sat the time, far outshone all the previous attempts. 11 years has not chasnged my opinion on that. if jackson had run out of money ala bakahi after fellowship, this film would have been the best telling of the first lotr chapter, and its not close..
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Oh, don't get me wrong. It's a really great film. I was just describing the scriptwriting by itself. By itself, the script is really good, but the rest of the production, whether the set designs, customes, acting, directing and what not is what brings it up to greatness.

At this point, I'm just organizing notes of things to say.
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Huh. My computer isn't letting me copypaste large bodies of text right now. Well crap.
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My computer. I'm running Scandisc right now.
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That isn't good I hope it's fixed soon. And why did you leave EquestriaForums?


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That isn't good I hope it's fixed soon. And why did you leave EquestriaForums?


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Disagreements.
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Alright, after a lot of hard work and struggling, I finally managed to get this off my computer. It is going into the shop and hopefully the guys who work there can get the rest off it so I can post it through another computer, enjoy:

The Game Attempts: Peter Jackson’s The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers:

So here we are at The Two Towers. Filmed at the same time as Fellowship, but edited throughout the year 2002 whereas Fellowship was edited in 2001. I was absolutely psyched going to see this after the cinematic triumph that was Fellowship, and this film could have been just as much a lyrical achievement. If not the mountain of unnecessary changes, the absolute mutilation of Faramir and Treebeard’s character, Jackson deciding to spend WAY too much time trying to make us sympathize with Gollum, and the worst crime of all: cutting Eomer out of most of the movie. Seriously, what the hell?

Alright, alright, before I go any further, I should probably point out that I do like this movie a lot. I don’t adore this middle chapter the same way I do Fellowship of the Ring and Return of the King, but I’ll happily watch it, all the same. It’s just that this film starts out strong. Realty strong. As strong as the others two movies in the saga, but then falls short under the weight of so many silly story-telling errors in the second half, each of which I have an alternative for which would have allowed key characters to retain their dignity. I’ll cover them as we go along.

Next, we have a few new faces, David Wenham as Faramir, the younger brother of Boromir, Bernard Hill as King Theoden, Karl Urban as Eomer, Mirando Otto as Eowyn, Brad Dourif as Grima Wormtongue, and the one, the only, Andy Serkis, as Gollum. Andy Serkis has the makings of a legendary character actor, as you will soon see. Now on with the movie… Karl Urban would also show he’s a powerhouse talent in due time, but not quite yet.

We begin with a helicopter shot that passes over several beautiful mountains as we begin to hear faint voices that are inaudible at first. As the POV continues on and zeroes on when on Gandalf faced off against the Balrog, we hear said confrontation before the view goes through rock and earth and we actually see it. We come in just in time to see Gandalf tell the Balrog to “go back to the Shadow”.
When it takes another step forward, Gandalf roars that it cannot pass and breaks the bridge, sending it into the pit. It drags him down, and that is where the Fellowship footage ends after a brief shot of Boromir. From here, the camera begins following after Gandalf as he plunges down into the darkness below. He falls over to his sword and grabs it in midair before catching up with the Balrog and continuing to attack it.

There’s not much to say other than “Gandalf beats the crap out of the Balrog while it tries to get away him from all the down to the underground river they fall into”. The entire sequences is kickass. The visuals and choreography is extremely well done, Ian McKellen is acting as if he really is falling and battling a raging fire demon, and overall, it’s just an awesome movie opener. The instant they hit the water, there’s a flash, and we’re suddenly with Frodo and Sam.

This is the only form of recap to the first movie this film has to offer, and I think it’s all the stronger for it. Instead of allowing the opening to get bogged down in “previously on The Lord of the Rings” nonsense, Jackson and company correctly assume you’ve seen the previous film either in theaters on DVD. And…when your film grossed over $900 million worldwide and sold so well on DVD that they actually ran out and had to restock within the first week, I would say that assumption is justified.

Frodo shoots up shouting Gandalf’s name as if he just had a nightmare. Or in this case, a vision. This awakens Sam as well, who asks what’s wrong with a concerned tone. Frodo assures him that it was just a nightmare. Then we have our title on the screen as the film cuts to later while the hobbits attempt to make their way through the labyrinth of rock and stone. This is where the first difference from Theatrical to Extended makes its appearance in The Two Towers. In the original release, the film cuts straight to Frodo and Sam wandering the rocky hills. But before that happens in the Extended version of the film, we have a sequence in which the duo descend a cliff face.

A terrified Samwise asked Mr. Frodo if he can see the bottom yet. The Baggins replies ëno’, and just tells him not to look down. Samwise preceeds not to look down, but this turns out not to be a good idea, since he loses his footing and almost falls. From his pack falls a small wooden box. He shouts for Frodo to catch it, and he does. In the process, Frodo loses his grip on the rope and begins falling. Oops. Then after falling maybe about the height of a full grown man, he hits the ground. He stands there humorously stunned for a beat before shout up to Sam that he’s reached the bottom. This whole sequence is so full of hilarious fail that borders on Merry and Pippin antics.

Sam hurries down after him. Then he stands complaining about their situation in that usual muttering, fussy Samwise way lifted directly from the books. Gotta love Astin. Frodo looks in the box that Sam deemed precious enough to save and discovers that it’s full of seasoning. Sam explains that he thought they might have roast chicken sometime. This always gets a laugh out of everyone I watch this with, including myself. In fact, Frodo himself is just barely not cracking up at Sam’s naivetÈ. This also nicely shows the contrast in Frodo and Sam’s character. Frodo being the realistic with just a garnish of optimist, and Samwise being the consummate optimist.  Then Frodo gets wistful looking at the salts and seasoning in the box, uttering that “It’s a little piece of home”, and the hobbit theme kicks as both begin looking solemnly nostalgic.

Frodo goes over to the rope, pointing out that they cannot leave it for someone to find, but Samwise skeptically responds that no one is going to follow them down into that pit of rocks. While this exchange happens, the camera pans around in a circle facing Sam like he’s the radius point until it comes to Frodo’s face. Just as Sam finishing speaking, Frodo gets a faintly worried look on his face, thinking of Gollum.  Sam mourns leaving the rope behind, because Lady Galadriel gave it to him. Real elvish rope. Sam pulls on the rope, but mentions that it won’t come free easily, because it’s one of his knots. On cue, it comes free and falls down to them. Frodo light-heartedly jests “Real elvish rope” and leaves it at that.

Now, I feel this version of the scene is an improvement over the original from the book. Most of the time, the book is better than any of the films made from it, hands down, with a handful of exceptions found in Jackson’s adaptation. Originally, Frodo teases Sam about it a lot more and more meanly, calling it a miracle that it didn’t come loose while they were climbing down. Sam however retorts that it must have come when its master called, and the book then says as much. Here, it’s Frodo implying that the rope is enchanted while Sam looks on with a faintly doofy expression.

Now we finally come to the first theatrical footage after a good few minutes of added material. They ascend to the top of a tall hill and see Mordor in the distance. Sam: “Mordor. Just the one place in the world we’re trying to get to, is the one place we don’t want to be, is just the one place we can’t get to. Let’s face it, Mr. Frodo. We’re lost. I don’t think Gandalf meant for us to come this way.”
Frodo responds that Gandalf didn’t’ mean for a lot to happen, but it did anyway. Then Frodo is hit with a vision of the Eye of Sauron and falls to his knees, blotching his chest. Sam becomes concerned, and correctly guesses that the Ring is growing heavier. He calls for them to take a break. He sets his pack down and pulls out the lembas bread.

Frodo asks how much of their food remains, to which Sam shows him piles and piles of lembas bread. He breaks off two peaces, throws one to Frodo and takes the other for himself. They eat and comment on the elvish food, the food going into their stomachs obviously making them feel a bit better.

The two hobbits continue to explore the rocky terrain, trying to find a way out. As time goes on, the two come to the conclusion that they are lost once they find themselves passing through areas they’ve already seen. Frodo confirms this when he spots some unique rocks formations they’ve already passed. However, Samwise notes that the smell is new, like a bog or something. Frodo reveals that they’re not alone. We get a few glimpses of Gollum here and there, but not a full look until we finally come to the ambush. The film shows the two “asleep” at the foot of a cliff. Now we finally get out look at Gollum as he climbs down the hill like a little monkey might.

The CGI model for Gollum is truly a stunning achievement in movie special effects. Now some people piss and moan about how Gollum should have been a made in a costume, so which I say: bullshit. Gollum is an inhumanly skinny creature that crawls and runs around on all fours like animal, as seen in this scene, is able to accomplish what a human cannot be climbing facedown down a cliff face. There is no way a costume or animatronic puppet could have cut it. Gollum needs real, organic movement which old fashioned movie magic just cannot deal.
Here’s the thing: I’ve been doing a lot of research about why past adaptations of LotR were scraped. Wanna know one of the chief reasons why? Gollum. Trying to figure out how to bring this creature to the screen in a way that displayed his prowess is usually the point where things start to fall apart, because apparently even filmmakers like John Boorman, Stanley Kubrick, Ron Howard, Jim Henson, Steven Spielberg, and George Lucas were at a loss of how to put him on-screen. These books only became successfully translated when the CGI technology made it possible. So suck on that, traditionists who think that CGI is the poison that is killing film.

The artistry that went into making him look real of breath-taking, the motion capture of Andy Serkis’s performance is exceptional, and then there’s Andy Serkis, himself. The man is a phenomenal actor. I don’t think there will ever be a better actor for the role of Gollum. As a challenge to anyone who think that it could have been a man in a costume, I give you this challenge: find me a better actor for it than Andy Serkis. I dare you.

Back to the scene, Gollum descends the cliff face, ranting and raving about “thieving Bagginses” and his “precious”. Just as he reaches the two hobbits, they spring their trap, but soon find themselves being the ones getting pummeled as Gollum goes absolutely ballistic on them. Eventually, they wrestle him under control at blade point after a very brutal, intense fight scene that frankly couldn’t look more realistic it tried. If there’s one thing Jackson does well, he will make you believe that two hobbits and weird imp creature just beat the crap out of each other.
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gollum was a milestone in cGI animation, harry potters dooby or other cgis like Scooby Doo cannot hold a candle top gollum. gollum is a complex character, not inheritantly evil, just corrupted. as an aside, i often wonder what would have happened to him, if he had survived at mount doom, and say, had the ring knocked into the mountain while fighting with sam? I wonder if the Fellowship would have spared him for instance..
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I recall he looked good in cgi, making him cgi was a good idea instead of any other method.  

I wonder also what would have happened to him if things were a little different.  The ring could have fallen into the magma while he was fighting with Frodo also.  

If he had survived I would if he would have been spared and maybe gone/taken to Valinor like Bilbo, Frodo, and later Sam were.  I read Tolkien said the influence of the ring was removed from them and they lived the rest of their natural lives there in Valinor.

I wonder if they lived long enough for Legolas and Gimli's arrival in Valinor.


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Bilbo likely would have died shortly after reaching valinor he was after all 131- no hobbit had ever lived longer than him..I think the fater for Gollum would have been the same. as he had lived many times beyond the lifespan of his kind..
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Very likely, either that or the Valar may extend his life a bit, so he has the number of years he would have had had he not found the 1 ring.  Not sure if they would have done that or not.  either way Frodo and Sam would live the longest of the ring bearers.  With Gimi also living a very long time.  Wonder on his reaction on meeting Aulae, or however you spell his name.

I'd have to look it up, but Gollum was very very old, hundreds of years.  Not sure if he hit a thousand or not.


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he was over 500 years old at least..
 WR when will you be getting up the next chapter in this paper
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Not sure. I haven't had time in a while.
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Beginning work again, no promises when it'll be updated, though.
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This just in. The Hobbit will be a trilogy.

This also just in. I got all the truly nasty things I have to say about this attrocity of cinema off my chest elsewhere.
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I've read some comments on another forum.  It seemed pretty mixed.  About half hated the idea and half really liked it.