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General Land Before Time / Re: This is the franchise that never dies!
« on: February 18, 2025, 11:58:05 PM »
Quote from: aabicus (LettuceBacon&Tomato) on February 10, 2025, 07:00:24 PM
Quote from: aabicus (LettuceBacon&Tomato) on February 10, 2025, 07:00:24 PM
I'm reasonably certain LBT14 was released to capitalize on Jurassic World, and to see if they could spearhead another LBT rennaisance since it worked so well the first time. When LBT14 didn't hit the numbers, they scrapped it and moved onto other things

UGH :facepalm

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General Land Before Time / Re: Superior Kids or Incompetent Adults? Both!
« on: February 18, 2025, 11:57:39 PM »

In movie number three, there was a problem in the Great Valley- a lack of water. The adults handled this by arguing for an extended period of time, which accomplished nothing. The kids also had a problem- their peers, or, the bullies, were heading into danger. Littlefoot did not hesitate, left the valley, then saved the mean teenagers. So, in retrospection, the adults couldn’t handle their problem while the kids jumped right into theirs and solved it. Isn’t that teaching kids that careful planning is a waste of time and rushing into danger is the solution? Furthermore, it might make kids not worry about being reckless, as their parents will just fix everything. I mean, I once made a thread in this section comparing The Lion King to The Land Before Time. Well, here’s a difference, making The Lion King’s example of this more appropriate for developing minds.

In The Lion King, Simba recklessly charges into the unknown, and because of that, he was nearly killed. The gang of five was also nearly killed for wandering off. So what was the difference, you ask? Simba got a royal scolding from his father. Mufasa gave a huge lecture that taught kids what can happen if you head into danger. The adults in The Land Before Time? Hm. “This is no time to go exploring.” Really? Is that all? Just like the adults failed to respond to a problem, they failed to chide their children and reveal just how wrong it was for them to leave like that.

The gang wanders off in multiple films, why are you just signaling one of them out?

If we're going to compare to TLK, Simba did something completely stupid out of pure selfishness. That's part of why Mufasa gives a "royal scolding".  ("You DELIBERATELY disobeyed me!"). Yeah, the kids often run off into danger and are rarely scolded by their parents. But the situations are different. First is the fact that they pretty much almost always do it to rescue somebody. The second is that they come from very different backgrounds than Simba, who, before he recklessly charged into the unknown, had only ever known the safe home he'd grown up in. The Gang of Five, on the other hand, were born outside the Great Valley and KNOW firsthand how dangerous the world out there is. They rarely go out there without a good reason. I think the only example I can think of is Littlefoot at the end of 6, which I DO have issues with.

But back to the rest, I'm not saying that that makes them constantly running off the safe or even always the right thing to do but I don't think it's a good analogy. They have experience and knowledge of danger that the main character of The Lion King doesn't. Littlefoot's grandparents actually DO have a talk with him in LBT 2 about how he shouldn't be running into danger, and from what we hear, the other kids' parents have the same talk with them. And while the kids don't always listen, they are at least aware of the risks and don't run off for the same self-serving reasons as in LK. Just because the kids parents don't always give them the same lecture you mentioned in The Lion King doesn't mean these movies are trying to teach the opposite.

And honestly, why are you putting The Lion King above LBT on an LBT forum?

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His timely arrival ended up ensuring the defeat of the two Sharpteeth, and he parted ways with Littlefoot by telling him that he didn't need him as a hero because he already had one: his grandfather.  This inspired the young Longneck to portray his grandfather as the Great Dinosaur who protected the Great Valley...

He was the leader of a small group of bullies who picked on the Gang on a regular basis, and he even succeeded in getting the Gang disbanded by Topps by using Nod to frame Littlefoot for a wrongdoing he didn't commit

(Doesn't disbanded mean when everyone willingly splits up? Sure, Cera's dad wasn't allowing her to play with Littlefoot, but she didn't let that get in the way of their friendship. She sought him out when her dad wasn't looking, and even went to meet with him and the others in the middle of the night. )

I honestly have to ask: why are you writing all this stuff down that most fans already know, espicially after all the time you spent adding up screentime ? (Which you did an amazing job, on btw!)

I get making charactrer biographies, but the fact that you write it all in past tense suggets you think we already know all this stuff. The above quotes are just a few of many such instances. So it comes across as rather condescending, in addition to being opinionated.

I'm sorry, I know this is probably rude. I know you went to a lot of trouble for this project, and I really appreciate the amount of work you did adding up screentime for all the characters.

But I have issues when I feel people are being condescending or opinionated, or saying things that are confusing. So that's why I'm reacting the way I am.

when they rescued him from the Sinking Sand after his own two friends stood there and did nothing, instead choosing to argue with each other over who should save him. 

Funny you seem to really hate these two friends but don't write anything about this in your biographies for them, lol



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  Ichy is definitely an evil character,...  He did display somewhat psychopathic tendencies, as he, too, was willing to kill the Gang in cold blood

I feel these are way too opinionated. You're acting like your opinion of him being evil is definite. I get that people will see him as evil, but carnivores are pretty debatable, like the original Sharptooth. So it's unfair to even compare him to Sierra, who I will agree is definitely evil, even if he's one of my favorite villains of the series.

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They ended up bringing bad luck to the Great Valley as they were the ones who broke Saurus Rock,


THAT. WAS, NEVER. CONFIRMED!!!!!!!!!!!

That was NEVER confirmed! Why are you stating that like it's fact?? We don't know that!

Me, personally? I don't believe it EVER caused bad luck (I mean, it's not like there aren't other films where something bad happens n in the great valley!), but do I act like I know that for 100% sure? No! So why are you? Are you trying to deliberatelty mislead people??????

This isn't just a case of having a different opinion. You're deliberately stating your opinion like it's factual.

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Even if it wasn't the same-same treestar, it's still the one his mother "gave" him in that scene where he heard her voice. He even tells Ducky it's mother's special gift, so when it was destroyd, it definitelly broke his heart.

I guess, but since we don't see him react that way,  it's possible he may have been able to seperate it from his mom. But I'm pretty sure he doesn't tell Ducky his mother gave it to him, and there really isn't any time between when they meet and when they encounter Petrie when it could have happened.

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1988 Theatrical Release / Re: Changes you would have made to the film
« on: February 08, 2025, 03:36:53 AM »
That Littlefoot’s Treestar that he was given by his mom wasn’t trampled.
Yeah, that part was pretty sad.

Then again, it was likely going to shrivel up and disintegrate in the end because no one would eat it. How would you have made Littlefoot let it go?

It wasn't actually the one she gave him, since that one was bigger. He was just reminded of her by it. Sure, Ducky says it's the same one, but she can't say that for sure unless Littlefoot told her, and at no point between when they meet and the two come across Petrie does Littlefoot tell her this.

If it was. I doubt Littlefoot would just let it go if it made it to the Great Valley.

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destroyed Littlefoot's first tree star to wipe out one of the few living memories of her,

I don't think that was the actual treestar she gave him, since the one she gave him was bigger.

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Diddy, are you ever going to answer my questions? I feel like I’ve waited forever.

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General Land Before Time / Re: Superior Kids or Incompetent Adults? Both!
« on: January 31, 2025, 02:23:07 AM »
I’m not mad—and I’m sorry if it seemed that way—but I wanted to let you know that the member you appear to be repeatedly asking for explanations is no longer here. Maybe I misinterpreted things, but from my viewpoint, you seemed to be getting mad at him.


Honestly, I’m just confused. Why all the bashing of LBT 3??

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General Land Before Time / Re: This is the franchise that never dies!
« on: January 09, 2025, 02:14:46 AM »
I would say it is on hiatus at this moment.

Let's hope.

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General Land Before Time / Re: Superior Kids or Incompetent Adults? Both!
« on: January 04, 2025, 10:33:30 PM »

In movie number three, there was a problem in the Great Valley- a lack of water. The adults handled this by arguing for an extended period of time, which accomplished nothing. The kids also had a problem- their peers, or, the bullies, were heading into danger. Littlefoot did not hesitate, left the valley, then saved the mean teenagers. So, in retrospection, the adults couldn’t handle their problem while the kids jumped right into theirs and solved it. Isn’t that teaching kids that careful planning is a waste of time and rushing into danger is the solution? Furthermore, it might make kids not worry about being reckless, as their parents will just fix everything. I mean, I once made a thread in this section comparing The Lion King to The Land Before Time. Well, here’s a difference, making The Lion King’s example of this more appropriate for developing minds.

In The Lion King, Simba recklessly charges into the unknown, and because of that, he was nearly killed. The gang of five was also nearly killed for wandering off. So what was the difference, you ask? Simba got a royal scolding from his father. Mufasa gave a huge lecture that taught kids what can happen if you head into danger. The adults in The Land Before Time? Hm. “This is no time to go exploring.” Really? Is that all? Just like the adults failed to respond to a problem, they failed to chide their children and reveal just how wrong it was for them to leave like that. Hyp got reprimanded the worst, but the only complaint his father made about him leaving was that his departure was a distraction to solving the water problem. “Duh, dad?” “Yeah?” “I’m going to enter a near death situation.” “Nah, don’t do that! It might distract me!” The full concept of the danger was never passed down from parent to child. The parents simply took care of the sharpteeth, and all was fine. So, kids were glorified as being the ideal characters and the authority and wisdom of adults was thrashed in this film by making it seem like not planning is the way to get things done, and doing dangerous things will simply cause your parents to bail you out. Did the head writer have parent issues…?


I just don't understand this person's problem with LBT 3. He brings up a completely random other movie just as a way to bash it.

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General Land Before Time / Re: This is the franchise that never dies!
« on: January 04, 2025, 10:30:32 PM »
Is this franchise officially dead?

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Wow, this is very spammy behavior, Greylizard. Please stop posting consecutively unless you have anything new to add to a topic.

I’m just sad that DiddyKF1 didn’t respond to my posts.

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@GreyLizard226: Erm, I also agree with @aabicus (LettuceBacon&Tomato) , which means I wouldn't have much to add to the discussion of this thread. Just because nobody is responding doesn't mean people are ignoring you, could just mean they don't really have anything to add to this thread. And with the type of topic that you posted, I'm not surprised that only one person had really anything to say about it after he basically said what everyone else was probably thinking.

As for my own thoughts, while it is possible that the Disney movie that you pointed out inspired an LBT plotline... I mean, there are just so many movies out there that have the same plot lines as other movies in the past, I am talking about this in general. I can't name specifics off top of my head really, but there's just bound to be many cliche/reused/older plot lines that many movies will and have already used by their movie predecessors. I'd say its rare for a movie to be completely original/new these days, and that the strengths/merits of a movie will come from how they execute an already established trope instead. Execution being key is what I'm saying here.



That makes sense. But just to be on the safe side, you did read what I quoted and was referring to?

Yes, I read the whole thing.

Though, I actually am curious on what the person you were quoting meant by "Sadly, the father never finishes the movie with his daughter." What was the person suggesting in this hypothetical scenario at the end? Was he saying that, in pitching his idea to the team of writers about this new LBT plot line, he missed out on implementing other things that the Pocahontas movie had? I'm curious if you know or remember what he meant by that line I mentioned.

I don’t know. It almost sounded like he knew stuff that happened behind-the-scenes, but unfortunately he’s long since left the GOF forums.

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You never responded to any of my posts. :neutral

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Quote from: f-22 "raptor" ace on May 28, 2024, 10:28:28 PM
Quote from: f-22 "raptor" ace on May 28, 2024, 10:28:28 PM
It was simply a coincidence. Least that's what I'm calling it.

Did you read any of what I quoted though or just the thread title?

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@GreyLizard226: Erm, I also agree with @aabicus (LettuceBacon&Tomato) , which means I wouldn't have much to add to the discussion of this thread. Just because nobody is responding doesn't mean people are ignoring you, could just mean they don't really have anything to add to this thread. And with the type of topic that you posted, I'm not surprised that only one person had really anything to say about it after he basically said what everyone else was probably thinking.

As for my own thoughts, while it is possible that the Disney movie that you pointed out inspired an LBT plotline... I mean, there are just so many movies out there that have the same plot lines as other movies in the past, I am talking about this in general. I can't name specifics off top of my head really, but there's just bound to be many cliche/reused/older plot lines that many movies will and have already used by their movie predecessors. I'd say its rare for a movie to be completely original/new these days, and that the strengths/merits of a movie will come from how they execute an already established trope instead. Execution being key is what I'm saying here.



That makes sense. But just to be on the safe side, you did read what I quoted and was referring to?

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I agree with Aabicus. Please also stop spamming your own topic in this way, @GreyLizard226 .

I’m not trying to spam…I’m just trying to help the thread get more attention. It’s frustrating because I feel I made this topic for nothing since almost no one is responding.   :neutral

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Can’t believe this still hasn’t gotten more replies.

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