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The Land Before Time => LBT Fanart => Topic started by: StardustSoldier on November 13, 2019, 03:05:00 PM

Title: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: StardustSoldier on November 13, 2019, 03:05:00 PM
Here is my submission for the Hurt/Fear prompt (the one-word version). This is the first LBT drawing I've ever done, and in fact my first time ever uploading my artwork anywhere.

Needless to say, I'm pretty unhappy with how this turned out. But I was touched that you guys were still eager to see it, and I still wanted to participate in the prompt challenge.

"The Preceding Silence"

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(https://i.imgur.com/rhhoVy0.jpg)
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Fanart
Post by: Ducky123 on November 13, 2019, 07:22:00 PM
First!  :bestsharptooth

Ah, Cera's classic oh shit face  :lol

I'm not that gifted at reviewing art critically so I'll leave that to the others but let me say that it probably looks better than my first drawing  :lol Certainly, the drawing is simple, even lacking colour for the most part, but the lineart seems pretty solid to me and the thick lines definitely improve the overall look in my opinion.

Overall, I'd say it's a pretty decent first try  :^^spike
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Fanart
Post by: Flathead770 on November 13, 2019, 08:14:14 PM
So I've already mentioned on Discord but this is a really great first drawing! Ducky mentioned already, the lineart I'd say is good. Cera I find is one of the harder characters to draw when it comes to the face so awesome job on that!

A couple things I would like to mention though, since you used a marker to colour Cera's eyes I'd recommend that you make sure there are no white spaces peeking through. Also more of a personal opinion to me is the fact that Cera doesn't normally have eyelashes so I always find it strange to see them on her but I am aware that there are some scenes in which she has them. The last one is with the tree itself, most notably with the bark/grain lines. They seem a little too unnaturally straight and consistent and more importantly they start running perpendicular to the direction of the root/branch on the right hand side when it should run more parallel. Take a look at this picture (http://www.mandyrussell.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/DSC02260.jpg) as it should hopefully show what I mean.

I'm glad that you managed to join in on this prompt and I hope to see you join in on more of them in the future! :smile
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Fanart
Post by: OwlsCantRead on November 13, 2019, 08:56:20 PM
Nice to see you do art! The fanart circle is quite small, so a new entrant to admire more artwork is always welcome! :cerahappy

The main part of the picture, the contours of Cera's face are very well-defined, with the thick lineart attenuating her horn and frill. The coloring of her green eyes means that it's the first thing the viewer's attention is drawn to, and I must say that I do like Cera's widened eyes and the touch of her mouth being hidden behind her tree so we have to imagine her jaw expression, almost as though she is ashamed of expressing her fear, pretty much characteristic of her frightened side which she tries to suppress as a threehorn.

If there's one thing I want to say, it is that Cera's face seems a little squarish, but it might just be the face-on perspective presented in the picture as the gang are usually seen in parallel or oblique shots. Face-on shots are hard even for the films to do especially once they got into CGI. Personally, the lack of her body bothered me at first but then I accepted it to be a limitation of the angle and most likely hidden behind her frill, so it's fine with me now. I also agree with Flathead about the tree trunk being unusually straight, but I do like the jagged pieces of bark and stalk with wilting leaves sticking out near the right part, it made it seem more like an actual fallen tree.

But yeah, it's still pretty good imo. Scared Cera is always a sight to see. :P
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Fanart
Post by: Mumbling on November 14, 2019, 03:42:43 AM
Wow! You were definitely being too hard on yourself! Cera is a difficult subject to draw and I think you captured her emotions perfectly. I like that the attention is immediately drawn to the eyes thanks to only them being colored in. The tree stump/log/branch is a nice addition to the piece, with my only point of critique being that bark usually runs a bit more wild:

(https://res-5.cloudinary.com/the-university-of-melbourne/image/upload/s--BAJ-TFPA--/c_limit,f_auto,q_75,w_420/v1/pursuit-uploads/784/1dd/1e3/7841dd1e346d4b03d604031616fcc65317342545628966ee9d7158fc051a.jpg)

However this is very difficult to capture in a drawing and is definitely not the main focus of this drawing, so it's more of a nice extra. Your line art is very crisp, like others have said, and that is very commendable. Much better than my first attempts at drawing these dinosaurs, that's for sure!
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Fanart
Post by: Anagnos on November 14, 2019, 09:17:36 AM
Let me just say that it is superb to at last see LBT fanart from you, and I’d agree with others that you do not give yourself enough credit for your work. The very first art may not be the best to an excessive degree, but it certainly will play a part in improving the artist’s abilities with drawing. After all, it is the personal experience and interest in the task that ultimately bring about a great change, if one will allow that to happen as it isn’t exactly the easiest thing in the world, but with enough practice, I believe anyone can become a good artist. I like to reference Ratatouille in scenarios like this:

''Not everyone can become a great artist, but a great artist can come from anywhere.''

When it comes down to the picture, I would actually disagree with your thoughts on how unsatisfactory the conclusion was, as I really like this straightforward, but also an exemplary drawing deserving of respect as it is your very first one LBT-wise. What I enjoyed the most in it, was how detailed Cera’s eyes and by extension, her facial expression really was. I contemplate what could have caused the usually stubborn but venturesome threehorn to take shelter behind the tree, and it is evidence enough from her gaze that whatever it is, has shaken her to her very core.

If I would have to say something in terms of constructive criticism, I would concur with Mumbling’s insight with the bark being more wild as shown in the picture she so kindly displayed. Believe in your abilities, Stardust, you have the potential to ameliorate your proficiency when it comes to drawing, and I believe in you 100%. This is but the start of the great journey of drawing you have chosen to partake in. :)

(I totally made a Halo quip in my feedback. Can you spot it?)
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: StardustSoldier on November 14, 2019, 04:15:16 PM
Hello everyone.

Once I had finished with the drawing, I guess it was all the little imperfections that were so jarring to me. As was already mentioned, the bark lines seemed off, I noticed that I hadn't coloured in Cera's eyes nearly as well as I could have. And more generally, imo, it just didn't fully capture the mysterious and creepy atmosphere that I had in my mind's eye. I had planned on adding more detail around the sides; some leaves and branches to show that she was hiding out in a jungle, and/or I was going to draw a dark, ominous cloudy sky above her. Eventually I settled on just Cera and the log, but it left the drawing feeling more bare-bones than I'd originally intended, which may have contributed to my dissatisfaction.

But as I said, I need to remember that this is only my first time, and I may have been stacking myself up against unrealistic expectations. You guys are probably right in that, yeah, I was being too hard on myself. Probably just my inner 'you are your own worst critic' voice talking. That, and I've often struggled with being able to appreciate my own work in general; it's something I've experienced with my fiction writing as well.

Cera I find is one of the harder characters to draw when it comes to the face so awesome job on that!
I would like to mention that her face wasn't drawn entirely from scratch. I was using an image still from one of the movies as reference. But I didn't want it to be an exact copy of the scene from the movie, so I did tweak some of the details, including changing the setting to what was planned to be a jungle (as the log was a new detail not in the original image I was using as reference).

Also more of a personal opinion to me is the fact that Cera doesn't normally have eyelashes so I always find it strange to see them on her but I am aware that there are some scenes in which she has them.
As it happens, she does in fact have eyelashes in the reference image I was using. I'm aware that she usually doesn't have eyelashes in other cases. For my own personal preference, in any future drawings I do of Cera, I probably will give her eyelashes just because it makes sense to me. As in, how come Littlefoot often has eyelashes but she doesn't? Shouldn't they all have eyelashes?
:olittlefoot

This was intended as a monochrome drawing when I started out. Partway into it was when I got the inspiration to colour only Cera's eyes and nothing else. That's one thing I was happy with.
:^^spike

I'll try not to be so down on myself in the future. Admittedly, because it was my first time ever sharing a drawing I made, I was rather nervous and squeamish about it. But ultimately I am happy I did it, and I would like to do more of these. I already have a couple of fully-formed ideas for the humanization prompt.

And lastly, I really appreciate the feedback and encouragement. You guys are all awesome. <3

(I totally made a Halo quip in my feedback. Can you spot it?)
@Anagnos: I don't have much familiarity with Halo, so you'll have to enlighten me. :P

Edit: Was it this quote? "After all, it is the personal experience and interest in the task that ultimately bring about a great change, if one will allow that to happen as it isn’t exactly the easiest thing in the world, but with enough practice, I believe anyone can become a good artist."

Edit II: Anagnos tells me it's the "great journey" quote, which was going to be my second guess.
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: ImpracticalDino on November 14, 2019, 11:15:39 PM
Hello, StardustSoldier! It’s pretty exciting to see a new artist amidst the community, so I can’t wait to see more future drawings from you. Thanks for taking your time to showcase this particular drawing, despite the fact that you may have been unhappy with the final result at first, which you still are as I can tell. But without further ado, let’s analyze this drawing, shall we? ;)

Upon first impression, I notice Cera’s bright green eyes immediately, which was obviously the one and only focal point of this drawing in my opinion. It was the main component that made up the entirety of her expression here, which I think you conveyed pretty well. As for the rest of the drawing, it suffers from a lack of color or any shading. Not to say that it’s necessarily a bad thing; In fact, I’m actually okay with it for some weird reason. I was trying to visualize how your picture would look as a whole with other colors and a colored background, but yet I wasn’t fully satisfied and it didn’t feel any better than the current state it is in now. Since I’m not artistic at all like the other people on the forum, perhaps that’s why my better interpretation was a failure. But anyway, I’m really mesmerized by those eyes honestly. The eyelashes further complemented the fearful look she has, although it still looked fine without it. The eyes could’ve been filled in better as well, although it’s only a minor complaint at best. Despite the simplistic and barebones picture that you drew, I’m overall content with what you have to offer as your first drawing. The contour lines on Cera are pretty clean, and the more rough and irregular lines on the log that she’s hiding behind was a nice touch of realism on your part. As for Cera’s entire body itself, I will say that it is a little bit disproportioned, with the right half of her looking more slumped and shorter than the left half. I tried looking from a different angle to see if that was the problem, but yet I couldn’t perceive the desired result.

Don’t beat yourself too much on this drawing StardustSoldier; After all, it was only your first. Trust me, I have seen much worse than this (and so have you. :lol) But with everything said, I hope this served as a good learning experience for you and it would lead to much desired improvements in your future drawings.

Also, one question. What scene from what movie inspired this drawing for the Hurt/Fear Prompt? I seem to not really remember much from the movies I’ve watched already, but then again I only watched them once so far. (Yikes, and I still need to watch the rest of them! :sducky)

P.S: To make this review as unbiased as possible, I didn’t read any of the other posts here present. Usually I would read the others, but I wanted to be as honest as possible for the first drawing you showcased here. :)
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: StardustSoldier on November 15, 2019, 11:17:21 AM
Thank you for the analysis.

As for Cera’s entire body itself, I will say that it is a little bit disproportioned, with the right half of her looking more slumped and shorter than the left half.
The reason for that is because, in the reference image, she's at a slight angle. As we look at her, her head is turned a little bit to our right. Notice that her horn is curved on the one side as well. I don't think I quite captured the sense of angle as well as I could have. But oh well. It's all part of the learning process. I'm going to be really busy this next week with client work, but once my schedule clears up, I would like to get started on my next set of drawings.

As for the reference image itself. In your defense, it's a brief and easy-to-overlook shot. It's from the first movie. I never really noticed the shot myself until my third and most recent time viewing the movie in this past year, but once I did it immediately stuck out to me. It's right after the kids cuddle up together and go to sleep for the night. Then Cera wakes up the next morning, and she creeps up to the edge of the footprint mound and notices Sharptooth in the distance.
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Sovereign on November 15, 2019, 03:16:34 PM
Yup, I agree the picture looks pretty solid. While it isn't that complex, Cera's expression alone makes this a pretty decent fir posted drawing. I don't have much critique about it and certainly, this is a promising start for this thread. I just hope to see more detailed works from you in the months to come but for now, decent job. :)
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Flathead770 on November 15, 2019, 07:49:37 PM
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I would like to mention that her face wasn't drawn entirely from scratch. I was using an image still from one of the movies as reference. But I didn't want it to be an exact copy of the scene from the movie, so I did tweak some of the details, including changing the setting to what was planned to be a jungle (as the log was a new detail not in the original image I was using as reference).
Yeah I figured it was the one from the first film. Not that there's anything wrong with trying to replicate from a reference. In fact, I do find that that is the best way to learn as it gives you a way to see where you need improvement and does help with a sort of muscle memory to draw them in the future. While there's a good amount that I draw that's unique I still like to look at some image of the character to help me out.

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As it happens, she does in fact have eyelashes in the reference image I was using. I'm aware that she usually doesn't have eyelashes in other cases. For my own personal preference, in any future drawings I do of Cera, I probably will give her eyelashes just because it makes sense to me. As in, how come Littlefoot often has eyelashes but she doesn't? Shouldn't they all have eyelashes?
:olittlefoot
Haha fair enough
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: ImpracticalDino on November 28, 2019, 03:53:41 AM
Late response, but yeah I kinda knew what you were trying to go for. You still tried your best though. :)

Hey, can I ask? What will your next set of drawings be based on, and have you started any of them yet?
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: StardustSoldier on November 28, 2019, 05:32:24 PM
Thank you, Sovereign. :)

Impractical: While I don't want to give away the full surprise just yet, I will say that I have two fully-formed ideas for drawings this time around. One of them is for the current prompt:
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Nov/Dec
One Word Prompt: Humanization
Descriptive Prompt: Haven't you all been wondering what the Gang would look like in our human world? For this prompt, it is your task to design as many LBT characters as you want in a human form. Let's get creative!

It was originally going to be my only drawing for the Nov/Dec prompt, but then Mumbling suggested an alternate prompt:
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I'm no good with drawing humans, but would enjoy drawing the dinosaurs among humans/in our civilization.

And that inspired me, so I'll be doing another drawing based around that idea. :DD

I haven't started them yet, but that'll be a December project for sure.
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: StardustSoldier on January 29, 2020, 11:21:22 PM
At last, I am updating this thread with new drawings. Here is my submission for the Humanization prompt, specifically the descriptive version.

"Songbirds"

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(https://i.imgur.com/NlocI2H.png)
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: StardustSoldier on January 29, 2020, 11:22:08 PM
And here is my other submission for the Humanization prompt. As noted above, I decided to do two drawings this time around, this one based on the alternative idea Mumbling suggested; going with the theme of "the Gang in our word" rather than drawing them as humans.

I realize the image quality is a bit subpar. I want to get an image scanner soon so I can upload better-quality images, but in the meantime I am stuck with my phone camera.

"Urban Adventuring"

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(https://i.imgur.com/Y01XJGy.png)
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Mumbling on January 30, 2020, 03:15:37 AM
Very cool to see more drawings from you, Stardust! For the human-humanisation drawing, can you tell me who you went for? I'm assuming the tree star indicated Littlefoot, but one can never be sure :D The postures are pretty good - I can't draw humans very well at all. In terms of constructive criticism for that piece, I'd say that men's legs are generally a bit more "buff" than women's legs. The male torso  would probably also look a bit more natural if the part under the woman's arm would be a bit more to the left. I think the hair looks pretty good on both of them  :yes

As for the LBT-humanisation drawing, it's a pretty cool idea to recreate that original movie poster feel in the modern suburbs. Are they walking on a rooftop? :D Spike looks really good (and happy too, haha). Ducky and Petrie are both a bit oversized, but I assume this was done to give them more detail. Littlefoot's fourth leg decided to go into hiding  :lol All the criticism aside I know drawing all the characters can take quite some time and I actually really like this piece. I hope to see even more from you in the future!
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Sneak on January 30, 2020, 06:37:39 AM
I missed this thread completely.

First picture of Cera is cool and good!
Like colored eyes.

Humans look good too. Who is that? :D
And these lines are from some actual song?

For the last one, it's sad to see that the most well-drawn here is background and... Spike. O_o
You have to work with proportions and smooth lines here. (I have the same problem though, so you can ignore me XD)

Looking for your future works!
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Anagnos on January 30, 2020, 11:39:18 AM
Yes, these drawings are pretty decent and it's good to see you do more of them and make proper improvement with every drawing you create. The idea of the Gang visiting a present day city inhabited by humans is quite the milestone for them to experience. I imagine the first drawing is meant to be a depiction of Littlefoot, but I wish you'd make that more clear what this drawing was about. For the second drawing, while I find the catch rather amusing, the figures of the gang (except for Littlefoot and Spike) are slightly lacking in quality, but I did really like them in the end. This is a good start for your drawing career, Stardust. Never lose hope, because you can do great things. :)
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Sovereign on January 30, 2020, 02:31:06 PM
Decent job, Stardust. :) While not perfect, these drawings nonetheless are a nice addition to this page. As Sneak noted, Spike looks the best of them in the first picture and to be honest, he actually looks pretty good. As for the others, the most pressing issue here seems to be the characters' sizes as especially Petrie is too large here. There are some other problems but that's a good place to start. But as others said, it'll be interesting to see where your skills develop in the coming months. :)littlefoot
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: StardustSoldier on January 30, 2020, 07:44:28 PM
Hello everyone. Thank you for the feedback.

In regards to the first drawing, I actually made it deliberately ambiguous who they are, to leave it open to interpretation. That said, I was specifically thinking of...
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Littlefoot & Ali. Littlefoot is easy enough to guess with the tree star on his shirt, but Ali's identity is less clear.

In terms of constructive criticism for that piece, I'd say that men's legs are generally a bit more "buff" than women's legs.
More muscular, do you mean? Any tips on how I could better convey that?

And these lines are from some actual song?
Yes indeed. It's from "The Things We Do for Love" by 10cc. One of my all-time favourite songs. :yes (Amy Grant also does a great cover of it)

As for the city drawing, to be honest, I think it looks pretty terrible. I'm even less happy with it than my first drawing of Cera. I can't even bear to look at it right now.
:(petrie
I know that, yeah, I'm too self-critical. But eh, it just didn't turn out the way I wanted at all. Spike looks good, but I messed up with everyone else. I'm probably going to stick to more straight-forward pieces from here on, at least for now. I think I bit off more than I could chew with that one by trying to draw something too detailed.

It wasn't really my intention to draw Petrie and Ducky that large. I didn't realize how big Ducky was until after I finished and compared her to everyone else. But by that point, I was quite far along with the drawing and I didn't feel like erasing her and doing it all over again. And then for Petrie, I decided to just draw him the same size as Ducky, even if it was still too big.

But yes, they are indeed walking on a rooftop. Or more specifically, they're walking across a platform connecting two buildings. :D

Littlefoot's fourth leg decided to go into hiding  :lol
Arrrgh, whoops! I completely forgot about that. Ironically, this was the second draft of that particular drawing, and on the first draft I actually did remember to draw in Littlefoot's fourth leg. *sigh* Oh well.
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Ducky123 on February 01, 2020, 08:11:52 AM
Am I the only one who thinks the poses are actually decent? :rubythinking

The oversizing works in order to give them enough details and the poses themselves are quite alright in my opinion. Unlike me, Stardust decided to rush it out to make the deadline so be easy on him :)
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Anagnos on February 01, 2020, 10:02:20 AM
^Even if that's the case, constructive feedback is still helpful no matter the circumstances. People here are already painfully aware of what I think about rushing, so let's not go there... :)
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: StardustSoldier on February 02, 2020, 05:05:10 AM
Thank you for the support, Ducky123. That said, as I mentioned in my previous post, Ducky and Petrie really weren't intended to be that large at all. I guess subconsciously my mind may have been trying to add in more details, but in hindsight I either would have made the two of them a little smaller, or else made the other three larger. Although yeah, it was kinda a rushed drawing as well. Even before I finished and submitted it, I was already starting to notice some of the mistakes, but by that point I only had a couple days left and I just wanted to have it done.

I'm honestly so ashamed of that piece that I was seriously tempted to just remove it outright and only have the first drawing count for my participation banner (and I still am kinda tempted even now). Ultimately I'll leave it up, but still... bah!

Oh well. Nothing to do except learn from my mess-up and move on to the next drawing.
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Ducky123 on February 03, 2020, 04:00:14 PM
@Anagnos Are you *very subtly* assuming that I wasn't trying to be constructive? Careful mate, careful :P You aren't even an artist to begin with.

@StardustSoldier That's right, every drawing helps to grow, even if the result isn't fullfilling. Look where I am now, I still struggle, I still make more mistakes than I'm probably even aware of, but I've been drawing on and off for years and I've been learning things step by step. Keep at it, feel free to ask artists on the discord server for advice during the process of creating your art rather than after you're done, that way some people might be able to direct you toward sthe right way before it's too late to turn back (or redraw the whole thing)

And it's the same story fro writing though I don't think you will need any advise there, given that you're doing it semi-proffessionally, I guess?  :^^spike
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: ImpracticalDino on February 03, 2020, 09:33:32 PM
For the humanization prompt, your depictions of Littlefoot and Ali were drawn generally well, and a treestar on the former's t-shirt made a good addition, but also a cool identifier of which human was Littlefoot. As for constructive criticism, I'll say the way that both of them were holding on to each other looks odd because of the way the hands were drawn, and the way the arms are bent kinda looks unnatural to me. It seems like a very uncomfortable position to me, don't you think? But good job on the prompt overall. And as an added disclaimer, since humanized drawings are something I don't generally like as a personal taste of mine, I would usually ignore and not review it. But in this case, I made an exception. :yes

For the second drawing, the style here reminds me of one of those silly, exaggerated parody cartoon animations that I see on YouTube. Cera, Ducky, and Petrie are the main prime examples here. In my opinion, it works for this particular drawing because well - the Gang is walking in a modern city for Christ sake! Since I think this drawing is not meant to be taken too seriously, I don't have many complaints to offer here. As some others have said though, Petrie and Ducky are oversized. But I'll let it pass this time due to the circumstance of the situation I mentioned above already. :)

Overall, well done Stardust! :Mo
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: StardustSoldier on February 03, 2020, 09:45:11 PM
@Ducky123: Thank you. Your words are helpful.

I'm sorry everyone for being melodramatic earlier. Putting myself and my art out there is still something I'm getting used to, and I can get discouraged easily when a creative project of mine does not turn out the way I wanted. I experience it moreso with drawing than with writing, just because my drawing skills aren't as strong as my writing skills, although I do certainly get discouraged at times with my writing as well.

But hey, it was still a learning experience. And I will try again with my next drawing, which I think ultimately is the most important step.

@ImpracticalDino: Thanks for the review. :)
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Anagnos on February 04, 2020, 03:21:00 AM
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Are you *very subtly* assuming that I wasn't trying to be constructive? Careful mate, careful :P You aren't even an artist to begin with.

@Ducky123 Wow... thanks for assuming that part about me right off the bat... The comment I wrote earlier was a direct response to your ''rush'' comment, but I did not expect you to react in this way. I did not say that you weren't trying to be constructive, and that comment from you certainly doesn't reflect you on a good light. Think before you speak... And being an artist can mean more than just a person who creates art. A simple detour in a dictionary would've revealed this fact to you.
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Mumbling on February 04, 2020, 04:13:31 AM
Hello everyone. Thank you for the feedback.

In regards to the first drawing, I actually made it deliberately ambiguous who they are, to leave it open to interpretation. That said, I was specifically thinking of...
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Littlefoot & Ali. Littlefoot is easy enough to guess with the tree star on his shirt, but Ali's identity is less clear.

In terms of constructive criticism for that piece, I'd say that men's legs are generally a bit more "buff" than women's legs.
More muscular, do you mean? Any tips on how I could better convey that?

And these lines are from some actual song?
Yes indeed. It's from "The Things We Do for Love" by 10cc. One of my all-time favourite songs. :yes (Amy Grant also does a great cover of it)

As for the city drawing, to be honest, I think it looks pretty terrible. I'm even less happy with it than my first drawing of Cera. I can't even bear to look at it right now.
:(petrie
I know that, yeah, I'm too self-critical. But eh, it just didn't turn out the way I wanted at all. Spike looks good, but I messed up with everyone else. I'm probably going to stick to more straight-forward pieces from here on, at least for now. I think I bit off more than I could chew with that one by trying to draw something too detailed.

It wasn't really my intention to draw Petrie and Ducky that large. I didn't realize how big Ducky was until after I finished and compared her to everyone else. But by that point, I was quite far along with the drawing and I didn't feel like erasing her and doing it all over again. And then for Petrie, I decided to just draw him the same size as Ducky, even if it was still too big.

But yes, they are indeed walking on a rooftop. Or more specifically, they're walking across a platform connecting two buildings. :D

Littlefoot's fourth leg decided to go into hiding  :lol
Arrrgh, whoops! I completely forgot about that. Ironically, this was the second draft of that particular drawing, and on the first draft I actually did remember to draw in Littlefoot's fourth leg. *sigh* Oh well.

Ahh this happens! I've definitely done that before too :lol

Ah the legs - yes more muscular indeed! Of course pants can hide quite a bit of that, so it doesn't have to be very defined. I can't read what is being said on this anatomy poster but it does show off the difference between male and female legs quite well:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/21/f3/9d/21f39da98aeefa89158383ca1717c62f.jpg

Men generally have their legs spread a little further apart for obvious reasons. Women's hips are generally a bit more bulky and then narrow down quite a bit for the legs.

I'm sorry everyone for being melodramatic earlier. Putting myself and my art out there is still something I'm getting used to, and I can get discouraged easily when a creative project of mine does not turn out the way I wanted. I experience it moreso with drawing than with writing, just because my drawing skills aren't as strong as my writing skills, although I do certainly get discouraged at times with my writing as well.

But hey, it was still a learning experience. And I will try again with my next drawing, which I think ultimately is the most important step.

Aye, you've been writing for the bigger part of your life time. If this is the first time you've seriously picked up drawing as a skill, you should not be discouraged if you can't get things on paper the way you'd like to. My drawings are still nowhere close to where I want them to be in terms of quality, but you're always your own worst critic.  :yes

Just keep up the good work and you'll improve in no time, you'll see!

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Are you *very subtly* assuming that I wasn't trying to be constructive? Careful mate, careful :P You aren't even an artist to begin with.

@Ducky123 Wow... thanks for assuming that part about me right off the bat... The comment I wrote earlier was a direct response to your ''rush'' comment, but I did not expect you to react in this way. I did not say that you weren't trying to be constructive, and that comment from you certainly doesn't reflect you on a good light. Think before you speak... And being an artist can mean more than just a person who creates art. A simple detour in a dictionary would've revealed this fact to you.

I've sent you both a message and would like to ask you not to continue this discussion here.
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Ducky123 on February 04, 2020, 04:57:55 PM
As a fellow artist, I can relate, Stardust. Art and writing (while they may be the same on the dictionary but that's besides the point I am trying to make here) are as different as light and darkness when it comes to the creation process. Writing is rather straightforward, you have an idea, you write a plan, you write it and then edit. With some experience, it's quite easy to get decent results, especially when you have a good imagination and the ability to translate it into words.

Now let's look at art as in, creating a drawing. It also starts with a plan, I guess. Drawing usually isn't something that you do for the heck of it but it comes with inspiration, a prompt for example or a certain mood you want to convey. But when it comes to the 'doing art' part, it gets tricky and that's something writing just doesn't have. I'm just going to name a few of the things an artist making a drawing has to consider. Perspective and camera angle which dramatically influences the effects of the drawing and takes a lot of experience to master. The ability to break down body parts into shapes so you can easily build any pose you want which brings us to... Poses. You need to learn many poses and how they work with the overall flow of the drawing and the mood you want to convey. You need to know how to show emotion through body language and facial expression. You need to consider that there is a lot of room between realistic and stylized art where there is no right and wrong but preferances done to put a focus on a certain part of the drawing or just because it's 'your style' (but even that takes a lot of time to grow). Unlike with writing where there is often a rule that clearly states what works and what's just a beginner mistake, art has a lot of freedom. Editing mistakes can be impossible at certain stages while you can rewrite anything and everything if you need to. Draw with Ink, make a wrong line and you can start over. It's really that cruel.
Moving on, there is colour to consider, the way the light interacts with the objects and people you draw which is not easy to learn and understand either and, unlike with writing, it does matter a whole bunch what tools you have and how well you can use them for your objective. Using watercolors or a digital art program for example.

I could go on like this, drawing|painting has so many more layers than written art which makes it a lot harder and more difficult to learn. I have time and again tried to get better, learning stuff but even more so learning more and more about what I still don't know, what I still can't do. That's why art is so frustrating too and I completely understand you here Stardust. I'm really glad that you were able to find the courage to upload your drawing in the end and I hope that you will continue to walk the hard path of an artist, yep yep yep :)

Disclaimer: This is a response to Stardust and his struggles which I share wholeheartedly. I am going through the same thing every time I pick up a pencil.
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Flathead770 on February 06, 2020, 04:33:52 PM
Not sure why I'm so late to commenting on this but here I am :p

Now I don't know a lot about drawing humans and I don't really listen to a lot of music so I don't have too much to say in regards to the first drawing, though it's interesting to note that they're barefooted.

Instead I want to focus on the second drawing because I really like the premise of this one! With Cera and Littlefoot's look along with them crossing between the buildings, it really does give it the feel of the original movie's box art with a modern twist. I actually think the background cityscape would look really cool the way it is if you had the time to shade it completely to give it a silhouette type look to it. That's what I picture in my head anyways.

As for the size issues, I've ran into this issue before in the past as well. For me it generally happens because I normally draw things quite small and when I draw a picture of the gang I tend to start with Littlefoot since I'm the most comfortable drawing him. Once I finish drawing him and start on Ducky or Petrie then I realize what I have done :lol I find a good way to get around that is to draw ovals on the page corresponding to each characters placement and size and another circle with the approx size and position of its head. That way you can see if what you're planning makes sense. Another option would be to draw the smaller characters first (though that can also run into the issue of making other characters too large and not having enough space. It's a balancing act that you'll get more comfortable with as you continue drawing! :smile

For the character designs themselves, I'd say they look pretty good considering this is your first official time drawing them all! While Ducky and Petrie are a little large compared to the rest of the gang, on an individual basis they're all generally properly proportioned. I think Petrie's belly could be trimmed up a little bit and Ducky's belly a little more round along with her quadriceps region of her legs a little thicker. Ducky's face looks pretty darn good considering she has one of the harder faces to draw.

Try not to be so hard on yourself. This is a good drawing and I'm sure you'll improve in no time!  :)littlefoot
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: StardustSoldier on February 08, 2020, 04:36:11 PM
Thank you, Ducky. I appreciate the insights from a fellow artist. Not meant as a jab against anyone else here or anything like that, but still, it's nice to talk to someone who understands the struggle.
:^^spike

Ah the legs - yes more muscular indeed! Of course pants can hide quite a bit of that, so it doesn't have to be very defined. I can't read what is being said on this anatomy poster but it does show off the difference between male and female legs quite well:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/21/f3/9d/21f39da98aeefa89158383ca1717c62f.jpg

Men generally have their legs spread a little further apart for obvious reasons. Women's hips are generally a bit more bulky and then narrow down quite a bit for the legs.

Ah, okay, thank you for elaborating. It never dawned on me that men tend to have their legs further apart, even though it makes sense.

Aye, you've been writing for the bigger part of your life time. If this is the first time you've seriously picked up drawing as a skill, you should not be discouraged if you can't get things on paper the way you'd like to. My drawings are still nowhere close to where I want them to be in terms of quality, but you're always your own worst critic.  :yes

Just keep up the good work and you'll improve in no time, you'll see!

I think part of my discouragement is just because, as of recently, I've come to realize that I'm unhappy that my drawing skills aren't as strong as my writing skills. Even though I do know the only way to get better at drawing is to keep at it. But you're right; I'm still fairly new to this and I shouldn't expect so much from myself.

Now I don't know a lot about drawing humans and I don't really listen to a lot of music so I don't have too much to say in regards to the first drawing, though it's interesting to note that they're barefooted.

The reason they're barefoot is because I originally imagined them standing on a sandy beach facing the waves. Even though I later simplified some of the detail, that's what I had in my mind's eye. Maybe I'll revise and expand on this idea some other time.

Try not to be so hard on yourself. This is a good drawing and I'm sure you'll improve in no time!  :)littlefoot

I'll admit I'm still pretty unhappy with it. I just don't feel that my vision came onto the page the way I wanted it to. But thank you. And I will keep your drawing tips in mind for next time.
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: StardustSoldier on March 24, 2020, 03:19:49 PM
Alrighty, here is my next drawing. A disclaimer that this one isn't entirely complete. On the first draft, I couldn't get Mama Longneck's face to look quite right. I then considered doing a silhouette colouring sort of effect, where Mama was coloured entirely in dark purple and Sharptooth in dark brown, or something like that. But by that point, I was kinda frustrated and discouraged, and I just wanted to move on to my next drawing anyway and so I lost my motivation with this one.

Nevertheless, here is what I did get finished. This is my submission for the Villains off-duty prompt.

"Dino Volleyball" (incomplete version)

(https://i.imgur.com/zEXmqvP.jpg)
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Sneak on March 24, 2020, 05:00:05 PM
You sure it's not firendly Chomper playing with Littlefoot? XD

Even with such simple style, I like it! :D
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Flathead770 on March 25, 2020, 12:53:55 AM
"No hard feelings for killing you Mama Longneck, I'll make it up to you by playing some volleyball after"  :bestsharptooth

Now this is a unique entry for the prompt! Maybe you had some more ideas left over from the humanization one? I can honestly see why you would get frustrated with this one as the perspective it is drawn at is actually quite difficult. That being said, the general shape of Sharptooth here I would say is pretty good! One thing I would say for him is to widen his stance. Generally sharpteeth have their feet quite wide apart.

I think I recognize the pose of Littlefoot's mother from the movie. I find it can be difficult to use references from the first movie as the can hide a lot of detail in their shadows during some of the more darker scenes. If possible I would try to work on a side view perspective when starting out as it's generally the easiest to learn in my opinion.

I know the feeling of losing motivation on a current drawing, so I'm glad you at least were able to share the idea you had! Hopefully you'll have more motivation for the next one!  :)littlefoot
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: OwlsCantRead on March 25, 2020, 11:25:43 AM
Keeping in mind that this is just basic lineart I think the frame and general look of it is pretty on point.

I do like the concept and the volleyball shape is indeed of that criss-cross pattern.
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Anagnos on March 25, 2020, 01:28:03 PM
I really found the idea behind this one to be very suited for the prompt theme in mind. Despite the fact that is is still work-in-progress, the progress so far is rather interesting once the final version is completed. The basic art style here is one that many new drawers, and likely some experienced artists use is quite decent that doesn't come off as entirely unoriginal. Though, I did have one small critique about the drawing, and I've already discussed this topic with Jassy: one of Mama Longneck's legs is very out of place, and I'm going to give you the same advice I gave to her; maybe consider cutting the top of the leg out of the frame, to give it more of a natural appearance.

There have been quite a few interesting entries for the prompt, but I believe this one is (so far) the best out of them based on their concept. It will be very interesting to see this completed. Which team shall take the championship? The leaf-eaters or the sharpteeth? :smile
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Gentle Sharptooth on March 25, 2020, 04:27:42 PM
I really found the idea behind this one to be very suited for the prompt theme in mind. Despite the fact that is is still work-in-progress, the progress so far is rather interesting once the final version is completed. The basic art style here is one that many new drawers, and likely some experienced artists use is quite decent that doesn't come off as entirely unoriginal. Though, I did have one small critique about the drawing, and I've already discussed this topic with Jassy: one of Mama Longneck's legs is very out of place, and I'm going to give you the same advice I gave to her; maybe consider cutting the top of the leg out of the frame, to give it more of a natural appearance.

There have been quite a few interesting entries for the prompt, but I believe this one is (so far) the best out of them based on their concept. It will be very interesting to see this completed. Which team shall take the championship? The leaf-eaters or the sharpteeth? :smile

May Sharpteeth prevail.  :bestsharptooth
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Anagnos on March 26, 2020, 03:09:52 AM
^Of course you would say that. :OhYou
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Mumbling on March 26, 2020, 06:28:47 AM
The idea is really nice and a big challenge! I think from the outlines it is really clear already who we are looking at, so it is actually a nice effect :D I think everything else has been said already. Keep it up, and don't let "failures" drag you down  :^^spike
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Ducky123 on March 30, 2020, 05:02:32 PM
Oh hey, now that's a creative entry, holy! :DD

Let's see... I actually think you got the pose of Littlefoot's mother mostly right (I didn't look up the scene the pose was taken from but being able to recognize the pose immediately I think this speaks for itself, I think it's quite fine honestly :) )

Can't say much about Sharptooth as you've drawn him very simple.

I think by adding a line to indicate where the horizon is would help the drawing to look less "flat" as it would create a point of reference and orientation. :)

If you find some time and motivation again, you should definitely refine the drawing, the idea is honestly amazing! :DD


PS: what happened to your discord account? You're not in the server anymore  :opetrie
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Gentle Sharptooth on April 05, 2020, 02:43:28 PM
^Of course you would say that. :OhYou

“I am what I am, someone has to be.” :lol
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: StardustSoldier on April 09, 2020, 09:47:32 PM
PS: what happened to your discord account? You're not in the server anymore  :opetrie

Just a quick side note. I already addressed this earlier, but basically, I was just taking a break is all. But I am back in the server as of currently. :yes
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: StardustSoldier on April 09, 2020, 09:54:01 PM
Anyway, thank you everyone. :)

You sure it's not firendly Chomper playing with Littlefoot? XD

Haha, it could be.

Now this is a unique entry for the prompt! Maybe you had some more ideas left over from the humanization one? I can honestly see why you would get frustrated with this one as the perspective it is drawn at is actually quite difficult. That being said, the general shape of Sharptooth here I would say is pretty good! One thing I would say for him is to widen his stance. Generally sharpteeth have their feet quite wide apart.

I think I recognize the pose of Littlefoot's mother from the movie. I find it can be difficult to use references from the first movie as the can hide a lot of detail in their shadows during some of the more darker scenes. If possible I would try to work on a side view perspective when starting out as it's generally the easiest to learn in my opinion.

I know the feeling of losing motivation on a current drawing, so I'm glad you at least were able to share the idea you had! Hopefully you'll have more motivation for the next one!  :)littlefoot

Nah, this idea came to me after the humanization prompt. And yep, I was using the pose of Littlefoot's mother from the movie. Thank you for the suggestions.

I think by adding a line to indicate where the horizon is would help the drawing to look less "flat" as it would create a point of reference and orientation. :)

If you find some time and motivation again, you should definitely refine the drawing, the idea is honestly amazing! :DD

Thank you very much. Alas, I had already finished with this piece by the time I read your comment. But now that you mention it, horizons is something I would like to feature more often. I really like that idea. In fact, you may have just inspired me to add one to my next drawing.
:cerahappy

But anyway, as it happens, I later found the motivation to get this finished after all. I decided to go with the "silhouette colouring effect" that I mentioned earlier. I realize that a few of the colours aren't entirely accurate, but I was just sort of experimenting, and going for a slightly surreal look.

"Dino Volleyball"

(https://i.imgur.com/c3QbiEn.jpg)
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Flathead770 on April 09, 2020, 11:22:50 PM
It's always nice to see some colour or shading added to a drawing. The colours certainly are surreal, almost like something Littlefoot or Chomper would be dreaming of (I shouldn't judge though, Sharptooth can have nice sleep stories as well :p ). The purple and orange for the Longneck make me think that they are coloured up as a type of team uniform as well.

A couple things that I find helpful with colouring. I find it looks better if you can keep the direction of the pencil movement consistent as you go along. Another thing you can do is use small circle movements with you pencil as you move along. That can help get rid of any apparent pencil stroke orientation as well as help with removing white space. This adds quite a bit to the colouring time, which can make it feel a little tedious at times, but always good information to be aware of :smile

Oh I almost forgot, it's nice seeing them have eyes! I think they work well with this drawing. Keep up the good work!  :)littlefoot
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: ImpracticalDino on April 11, 2020, 06:45:17 PM
Those are interesting color choices Stardust, but I'm not complaining. In fact, I kinda like it. :P

This was a unique take on the prompt indeed. Coloring the dinosaurs and giving them eyes really added much needed expression and life to this drawing. Glad to see you've taken my advice on that. :)

Not really being that much of an expert on reviewing fanart, I knew this drawing could've been improved but I had no good medium to describe it. But I do agree with the criticisms of the other people here. But otherwise, I like the overall cute (and maybe ridiculous) concept of this. I can actually imagine them being friends in the afterlife and playing Volleyball actually now that I think more about this. :lol

Nice job! :)littlefoot
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: StardustSoldier on October 09, 2020, 07:36:06 PM
*blows dust bunnies off the thread*

Hello everyone. Here is my submission for the Stuck in school prompt. That's Ali on the left and Littlefoot on the right. I'll admit I kinda lost my motivation for this piece when I realized I was drawing Petrie too big (again) and I just didn't feel like doing it over again (I was already on the third draft as it was). But you can see what I was going for.

"Dino Ballet Academy" (incomplete)

(https://i.imgur.com/MChZGy9.png)
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Stardisk on October 09, 2020, 08:06:02 PM
Диман! Что за балет?

That's Ali on the left and Littlefoot on the right.
Without this explanation and colors it is impossible to understand, who is who  :littlefoot
But nevertheless, this pic should be great!
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: StardustSoldier on October 11, 2020, 09:42:55 AM
Haha, well that is indeed why I clarified who was who. But thank you, Stardisk. I was feeling discouraged at the time I posted the initial sketch, but I might in fact have another go at it later this month and try to finish it proper. Although my main project for this particular week is to see if I can finally get the TV series all finished up. :)
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Flathead770 on October 12, 2020, 12:56:12 AM
I can probably say that this is the most unique entry for this prompt. Seems like the Yellowbellies got a hold of the teaching curriculum  :PCera

Even if Petrie might end up being too big, I don't think that would take away from the overall image too much. I'll be looking forward to a more complete version of this if you do get around to working on it.  :)littlefoot
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Mumbling on October 12, 2020, 01:52:12 AM
Agreed with the above comments. I'd love to see the finished product! :)
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: StardustSoldier on October 16, 2020, 04:38:38 PM
Thanks everyone. I'm going to be busy with job-hunting these next few weeks, but I'll finish it up in due time.
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: RainbowFaceProtege on October 17, 2020, 05:54:37 PM
Haha, I certainly wouldn't have thought of this interpretation for that prompt. :lol This actually reminds me of some unusual LBT plush toys I saw on eBay before--they had the Gang in Halloween costumes and some other outfits.
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: StardustSoldier on October 27, 2020, 05:07:56 PM
Ta-daa! All done!

Admittedly, Petrie is still too big even after I redrew him. I also shouldn't have made their tights and tutus all the exact same colour. Although my pencil crayon selection at home isn't the greatest; I need to get more in-between shades.

Oh well. I still like the general concept, at least. I may re-do this one from the ground up sometime, but for now here it is.

(https://i.imgur.com/W06FEAC.png)
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Flathead770 on October 27, 2020, 05:40:14 PM
There's Petrie in all his glory!  :PLoofah

Nice!
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Stardisk on October 27, 2020, 08:21:20 PM
You've finally finished this pic! Great!
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Mumbling on October 28, 2020, 02:47:01 AM
Yay so glad you finished this one! The only bit of feedback I have for you right now is the coloring of the eyes. You've made Littlefoot and Ali's irises a bit too big, as generally there is some white around the iris (like with Petrie, although I guess he just has a pupil and no iris :P). Other than that, great work!
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: StardustSoldier on October 28, 2020, 11:11:06 PM
Thanks guys. :)

I see what you mean about the irises, Mumbling. That's something I'll keep an eye out for in future drawings.
Title: Re: Stardust's LBT Art Nest
Post by: Goldenwind on November 01, 2020, 01:25:31 PM
Petrie is best ballerina! Watch him scare away the sharpteeth with those killer moves!!  :screechconfused :redclawscared