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Title: are you happy with the TV series?
Post by: kjeldo on August 08, 2008, 04:24:37 PM
aloha!

i made this topic because i feel some negative energy on the forum about the TV series, do you like them? or can they ***** up? -_-
Title: are you happy with the TV series?
Post by: landbeforetimelover on August 08, 2008, 04:28:02 PM
You didn't add a poll choice that I can answer to.  There are very few questions in this world that have a simple "yes-no" answer and this is NOT one of them.  I like the tv series okay, but there needs to be some improvements.  Overall, I'll still buy them but I wish that Universal would improve the story lines and remove the songs from such a short episode.  It's a TV episode for Christs sake!  There doesn't need to be 3 songs in a 19 minute episode. :rolleyes:
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Post by: Explorer on August 08, 2008, 04:42:51 PM
I still haven't voted but I agree with landbeforetimelover, in both cases.

I didn't vote because I'm in the middle of both, neither happy nor the opposite.

And yes, maybe the storylines could be changed a little, and te songs removed and reserved to the films.
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Post by: Lillefot on August 08, 2008, 04:44:00 PM
I voted yes.
I have no problem with them, I like them alot. Waiting for to Swedish release.
It's more LBT, how can I complain?  ;)
Though, some unclear parts about the whole story though.

LBTlover, agree. Really, it can be too much with that many songs.
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Post by: f-22 "raptor" ace on August 08, 2008, 04:48:22 PM
I just don't want any more songs like oops eeps.
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Post by: Amaranthine on August 08, 2008, 04:50:07 PM
I voted no.

As much as I like Ruby and there were a few episodes I did like. The TV series doesn't do a thing for me.

First of all, they put random parts that you never see in the movies. Like the one where the kids find the fruit that keeps the sharp teeth away. In the movies, it was the mountain barrier around the valley and the blockade of boulders that blocked them.

And when the kids pass the smoking mountains Petrie is afraid to go even though he's already been there before (in the seventh sequel). I mean maybe there was a bit more depth to that part, he had bad memories of his uncle there, but the writers seemed to have dropped that idea as if that didn't even happen. I really don't think the tv series is really doing any justice except for having the younger generation get interested in LBT.
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Post by: f-22 "raptor" ace on August 08, 2008, 05:03:24 PM
I voted yes and no cause I'm happy with it and yet at the same time not happy with it.
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Post by: Kor on August 09, 2008, 01:20:45 AM
I feel sort of mixed.  I like most of the episodes, but they could have done some things better, though they did do some things right.
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Post by: Mumbling on August 09, 2008, 01:54:31 AM
I'm not going to vote, at least not before I've seen them all.
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Post by: Drake on August 09, 2008, 09:02:31 AM
I agree with what most of the others said. I like them, but there are some things that need improvement.

I also think the poll needs some more answers. Maybe you should add something like "I like it, but it needs improvements." Bet a lot of people would choose that one.  :DD
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Post by: Kor on August 09, 2008, 12:33:56 PM
Quote from: Drake,Aug 9 2008 on  08:02 AM
I agree with what most of the others said. I like them, but there are some things that need improvement.

I also think the poll needs some more answers. Maybe you should add something like "I like it, but it needs improvements." Bet a look of people would choose that one.  :DD
Based on the responses so far I'd agree.
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Post by: Cancerian Tiger on August 09, 2008, 11:28:34 PM
In a nutshell, I am happy with the series.  I can never get enough LBT :^.^:  B).

If there's any room for improvement, it would be to lose the songs.  They're far better off in a film than a TV ep.  Besides that, I like it!  I love it!  I want some more of it! :p
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Post by: rosie on August 10, 2008, 11:09:58 PM
All series can't be perfect and they need better songs.Why is it that flatteeth sing only? I guess it would be too dumb if a bigger  sharptooth sang.grunt and roar. I guess screeching is too retarded and maybe if another sharptooth could speak flattooth. It would be a screeching and evil sounding.  :mad Even little chomper needs to sing more of how he feels about being a baby sharptooth and why do they keep repeating that song :friends for dinner. Eat them already! :rolleyes:   It is a good song but not  all the time.
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Post by: Malte279 on August 14, 2008, 07:29:49 PM
I voted yes.
The series is certainly not perfect. Some of the episodes are poor compared to others. There is room for improvement... But it is much better than I dreaded it to be ever since the first news about the series arrived in august 2005.
I consider the quality of the series better than that of some recent episodes and many of the things LBT fans have been calling for for a long time (most notably the inclusion of characters from earlier movies) have been realized.
There is room for improvement (there almost always is), but credit where credit is due. I do give credit to the makers of the series for I feel it to be due.
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Post by: NeoGenesis005 on March 18, 2009, 04:46:28 PM
Its a Good back up.  Universal Animation Studios as already made 13 Movies, they can make some cool episode based on them.
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Post by: Littlefoot1616 on March 19, 2009, 07:17:59 AM
I've got no issues with the series. I can accept it for what it is and how it's represented but no creation can be deemed as "perfect". Everything has its pros and cons and the LBT series is no exception. I like the fact the LBT saga has continued and it has a slightly new stream to it with nostalgic hints added in (cameo appearances from various LBT characters of the films). Not a fan of the sing-song nature of them though (deffo could've done without the songs in the series I reckon :p ). Would have been nice if the episodes kinda "flowed" a bit more from one to the other rather than just a string of smaller proxy adventures but still, there's nothing within the series that will prevent me from watching them.
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Post by: landbeforetimelover on March 19, 2009, 07:42:02 AM
One of the best things about the series is that it added publicity to LBT.  Sure the movies have always been out there, but when people can get the material for free from their TV they're more likely to look into it, especially in hard times.  Parents have a small budget to pay for movies as it is.  They don't want to take chances buying a $15 movie and having their kid not like it.  I think that was the main point of the TV series.  Until the TV series, LBT was just a movie that spawned a boatload of other movies that all have roman numerals (you'd be surprised how few people can actually read those nowadays).  God only knows if they're good or not.  Now that the TV series is out, parents and children can get introduced to the main characters and see what LBT is all about without having to take risks by buying it in the store.  Though one thing parents might not like is if their child's favorite character is Ruby......she's not in the movies.  That'd piss me off if I was a parent.
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Post by: Littlefoot1616 on March 19, 2009, 08:06:48 AM
That's a good point LBTLover. One issue with films, especially for kids, getting them to sit down and keep them engaged into what's going on can be a challenge. Have smaller 20min bursts is good for a kid's attention span and it also gives a window for parents to sit down and watch it with them (I'm sure they can take 20mins outta their daily lives to bond with their children). In that, parents may then invest in the movies having seen the series if their children actually enjoy them. TV is a powerful medium that immediately "invades" a personal household. Whether by accident or intended, once viewed it's easy to make a lasting impact if interest is tweaked.

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Though one thing parents might not like is if their child's favorite character is Ruby......she's not in the movies. That'd piss me off if I was a parent.

Well, in defense of that, you have to bear in mind that the TV series came AFTER the movies. I, for one, don't really see the movies and TV episodes in the same vein despite being under the same label. I tend to accept them as two different aspects of the same thing. From a child's perspective it might be a little more difficult to intrepret I'll agree, but it's doesn't take a rocket sciencist to realise that one vein precedes the other. I'm sure a parent can explain that the TV series happens after the movies (if they can get them to sit down to watch them all that is   :lol )
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Post by: Petrie157578641 on November 02, 2009, 07:36:21 AM
Quote from: Rat_lady7,Aug 8 2008 on  03:50 PM
I voted no.

As much as I like Ruby and there were a few episodes I did like. The TV series doesn't do a thing for me.

First of all, they put random parts that you never see in the movies. Like the one where the kids find the fruit that keeps the sharp teeth away. In the movies, it was the mountain barrier around the valley and the blockade of boulders that blocked them.

And when the kids pass the smoking mountains Petrie is afraid to go even though he's already been there before (in the seventh sequel). I mean maybe there was a bit more depth to that part, he had bad memories of his uncle there, but the writers seemed to have dropped that idea as if that didn't even happen. I really don't think the tv series is really doing any justice except for having the younger generation get interested in LBT.
I completely agree.Even though some episodes make me really happy, I voted no, because I'd rather want to watch at least a couple more movies, which they stopped making and now repeating this series on over and over. I don't like the songs, because they are short, always with the same music from the previous episodes or even movies, and words are no match to awesome songs in the movies.
I can even call some movies really perfect, even though I know there are no perfect things, but I think movies 7-9 are absolutely perfect, So beautiful drawn, excellent soundtrack,the whole storyline looks completely awesome and made for family, not only for kids, as I think about the series
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Post by: Cancerian Tiger on November 02, 2009, 12:10:28 PM
I think Universal should have focused more on future sequels.  They had all these good plot ideas goin' on in the TV series, but the episodes were too short and brief.  They could have taken several plot ideas at once and put them into one sequel :idea.  I really hope that they're focusing on future sequels instead of a second season.  I'd love to see the series continue, as long as Universal puts in more than just a half-a** effort :yes.
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Post by: Waluigifan on November 02, 2009, 01:55:11 PM
I like the episodes, but some of the episodes can't keep the quality of other episodes - most episodes are good, but some are bad.

And, in a  22 minutes long episode, such sing-along parts don't make really sense... and most of these parts sound really similar because they used the same beat, the same music and the same rhythm I heard in previous episodes!

Anyway, they should produce a second season!
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Post by: Kor on November 02, 2009, 02:55:07 PM
Also some songs were used over and over in the tv series as well.  Ones like I'm so happy, and adventuring.
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Post by: Daddytops2009 on November 05, 2009, 03:31:34 PM
Yes, but it's not my most watched series ever.
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Post by: JitteryDragon on November 06, 2009, 03:45:15 AM
Meh, it was okay. The thing that annoyed me the most was all the secondary characters from the movies returning (such as Ali, Tippy, etc), and then not doing anything with them. The episode with Ali is a good example, since she's in it for like... a minute  <_<

At least Guido got a decent episode...
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Post by: Paradise Bird on November 06, 2009, 07:25:33 AM
I despised it.It was like somthing a toddler would come up with when dreamimg
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Post by: Malte279 on November 06, 2009, 09:17:49 AM
For which reasons? What in particular was what you found to be like a toddler's dream Paradise Bird?
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Post by: Nenki7 on February 09, 2010, 09:05:57 AM
Yes i am! :DD
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Post by: Jychara on February 09, 2010, 09:49:26 AM
I like and movies and series,but more series cause in it my favorite character-Ruby...
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Post by: Kor on February 09, 2010, 02:47:35 PM
The series did have some interesting episodes, though they also had some I won't ever watch again also.
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Post by: Belmont2500 on February 09, 2010, 04:40:57 PM
I really didn't like the series because alot of the episodes' plots were so predictable its funny  :lol , that is not like most of the movies, so I like the films more than the TV series.
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Post by: Nick22 on February 10, 2010, 09:07:47 PM
am i happy with it. no. since they hardly advanced the plot, or explained why Ruby and Chomper were permitted in the valley in the first place
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Post by: LBTFan13 on February 13, 2010, 01:58:49 AM
I voted yes because it could have certainly be a lot worse. While I agree there are plenty of plot-holes in it, I must say I am surprised how good some of the episodes are. A LBT TV series had never been attempted before, which is a surprise considering how long it's been around, s for what's it worth I would say it did well with what it had.
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Post by: The Great Valley Guardian on February 13, 2010, 04:05:30 AM
I personally am undecided.

While yes the episodes could've been so much more than the producers made it...the simplicity and generic feeling kinda made it feel...normal. And although Ruby and Chompers appearance could have been better told as well, it was also a children's cartoon show, and those children who are new to LBT probably wouldn't much care or notice the glaring plot holes.
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Post by: The Great Valley Guardian on February 13, 2010, 04:05:45 AM
I personally am undecided.

While yes the episodes could've been so much more than the producers made it...the simplicity and generic feeling kinda made it feel...normal. And although Ruby and Chompers appearance could have been better told as well, it was also a children's cartoon show, and those children who are new to LBT probably wouldn't much care or notice the glaring plot holes.
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Post by: LBTFan13 on February 13, 2010, 08:49:25 AM
GVG made a good point. The only people who will really notice and care about Ruby and Chomper's unexplained appearance are those of us who recognize that they were unexplained. Since this is a children's TV show, the intended audience will not care exactly how they got there. All they care about is that they are in the show and that makes it good for them.
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Post by: Dima02 on March 23, 2010, 06:19:43 PM
Quote from: Jychara,Feb 9 2010 on  08:49 AM
I like and movies and series,but more series cause in it my favorite character-Ruby...
Same story here. I've always felt that LBT needed some smaller "misadventures", and Ruby is my favorite character. The movie series is awesome, but the TV series is good too.  :D
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Post by: Ptyra on March 23, 2010, 07:03:18 PM
I am pretty undecided as well. They did a lot of butchering of the characters' personalities- Littlefoot and Petrie the most primarily (for me, Petrie's personality began deteriorating began as soon as he said he had an imaginary friend :anger )

I would LOVE IT if they should Ruby and Chomper actually COMING to the Valley and the Gang reuniting with Chomeper/meeting Ruby...
AND FOR GOSH SAKE, EXPLAINING RED CLAW'S MOTIVE! The second season should have come around and featured Pterano's return...and possibly make him a permanent/reoccurring character like they did with Mr. Thicknose. Same for Guido =P !

Villains should come back so we're not having to put of with Red Claw (urgh). Try to imagine how Chomper would react to seeing Ozzy and Strut again. Or what if Icky and Dil got into the Valley?

And maybe Ruby and Chomper shouldn't have become OFFICIAL members of the Gang, but more like tagalongs. If they ever try to re-create the sleeping scene from the first movie with the editions of Ruby and Chomper, I will not be happy. Nope.

I'm undecided with Ruby. While she is an interesting character, I badly want to hate her, but I just CAN'T. Her fragmented sentences are...unneeded. As if we need two gang members with bad grammar. But it seems like too much to have a girl who was "between Cera and Ducky". Can't we just have "Cera" and "Ducky" and be done with it? Give her a personality that's completely her own and not just a "middle spot" of the girls. I complain about characters having boring/annoying personalities, and Ruby's is in between. Yet she's a good role model for responsibility and she really does care about her family, like what was shown in "Return the Hanging Rock". My question is that if she cares so much, why doesn't she just ask her family to come to the Valley with her?
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Post by: Animeboye on March 30, 2010, 12:26:47 AM
In my opinion, I'm not too happy with it. The animation was just horrible. The backgrounds were at times nice, but the characters hardly had any detail to them and looked like they were drawn up at the last minute. I'm reminded of one episode where the characters find Cera relaxing in a mudbath. There's a closeup of Ducky that looks like she was drawn by a six year old with crayons. Also what is with the characters' cheeks? Why do they look like they had plastic surgery?

I can see why people like Ruby but I just don't. The way she talks is annoying and it just makes her look unintelligent. Why not just give Ruby her own personality instead of making her the girl version of Petrie? Also, backstory please? Some explanation of how she and Chomper met would be nice. Otherwise, she's just going to remain a plot device in my eyes.

Red Claw is no better off. We know nothing about him, why he's terrorizing the Mysterious Beyond, what Ruby and Chomper's connection is to him and why the Gang are apparently the only ones who can defeat him. Seriously? Wouldn't it make more sense to just get the adults in the Valley to help stop him? I'd like to think that they would stand a better chance against Red Claw as oppose to seven little kids fighting him. Oh yeah, and what we have seen of ol' Red Claw just makes him look pathetic. Need I bring up his being scared by echoes again?

I like Ptyra's idea of having Pterano come back. Heck, he could actually help the gang fight Red Claw if they ever get to that. It would be an intresting way for Pterano to redeem himself.

If we ever get a season 2, I suggest that they focus on who Red Claw is and why he's terrorizing the Mysterious Beyond. Explain how Ruby met Chomper and explain what happened to Chomper's parents(do we even see them in the series? I don't remember). Also, please drop the songs. Save them for the movies. There's just no room for them in a 22 minute episode.
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Post by: Cancerian Tiger on March 30, 2010, 11:09:31 AM
I agree with Animeboye about the animation quality, or lack thereof.  Ducky looks like she's gained a few pounds in the TV series but has not sprouted at all :blink:.  Cera looks like she's quite heavier in the TV series as well.  Her face is even filled in like that of an indivual who has a severe case of fluid retention or even CHF (Congestive Heart Failure).  What's up with that?  

I also agree about Pterano.  He's a character I had actually gotten to like, and I'd like to see him return to the series.
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Post by: Chilli18 on March 30, 2010, 04:44:23 PM
I like the episodes, but I think they are a little bit too short.

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Post by: Ptyra on March 30, 2010, 05:39:13 PM
Quote from: Animeboye,Mar 29 2010 on  10:26 PM
Red Claw is no better off. We know nothing about him, why he's terrorizing the Mysterious Beyond, what Ruby and Chomper's connection is to him and why the Gang are apparently the only ones who can defeat him. Seriously? Wouldn't it make more sense to just get the adults in the Valley to help stop him? I'd like to think that they would stand a better chance against Red Claw as oppose to seven little kids fighting him. Oh yeah, and what we have seen of ol' Red Claw just makes him look pathetic. Need I bring up his being scared by echoes again?

I like Ptyra's idea of having Pterano come back. Heck, he could actually help the gang fight Red Claw if they ever get to that. It would be an intresting way for Pterano to redeem himself.
This is where my fan episode (http://bat-snake.deviantart.com/art/Fanepisode-158030460) comes in (it's on here too, but potentially, I hope it will have other fan episodes by different people).
And I even base some of Pterano's feelings about Red Claw on that of ours :) .

Eventually, the fan episode leads up to The Great Valley Rebellion, in which Red Claw's motives are revealed and are about to be executed.
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Post by: Blitz on June 12, 2010, 10:48:30 PM
I voted yes. I honestly thought that it was really good, although I wish it could've stayed on longer than it did. I miss it a lot.
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Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on March 27, 2012, 01:12:50 AM
Nope. Even the worst sequels---except maybe 13---couldn't come close to how bad the tv series was.  :(

Poor animation, terrible music, god awful songs ("Good times good friends" sounds like something that was written by the people who wrote songs for "PB&J Otter"!!  :x ).

They used a most of the marginally good episodes up during the first half of the season, while the second half was comprised of crappier ones. They messed with characters by bringing them back. They ripped off plots of earlier films ("Days of rising waters", anyone?) They drew the cast terribly, they weren't being serious...

...but I could live with all of it, all of it...if they hadn't ended the series with "Through the eyes of a spiketail"!  :x  :anger

Peace out.  :exactly
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Post by: jansenov on March 27, 2012, 04:54:21 AM
There are good episodes, good songs and even dark elements in the TV series. I like The Days of Rising Waters, Escape from the Mysterious Beyond, The Spooky Night Time Adventure, The Hermit of Black Rock, March of the Sand Creepers, Return to Hanging Rock and Search for the Sky Color Stones. The songs I like would be Ducky's Be Quiet Now in March of the Sand Creepers and Ruby's Rembering in Return to Hanging Rock. Dark elements would include Mr. Threehorn scaring Chomper in the Mysterious Tooth Crisis, Mrs. Flyer being buried alive in The Days of Rising Waters, and Ducky's greed in the Search for the Sky Color Stones.
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Post by: DarkHououmon on March 27, 2012, 08:30:03 AM
Bruton, the "poor animation" is the result of a lower budget. TV shows tend to have cheaper animation than their movie counterparts because they have less time to animate and more things to animate in that time frame. So naturally a TV show based on a movie will have cheaper looking animation in order to make it easier to whip out episodes on a regular basis.

For instance, look at the Kung Fu Panda: Legends Of Awesomeness TV show. The animation is not the best I've seen, with the characters looking flat, with no indications of feathers or fur, while the movies looked far better, the characters feeling more 3-dimensional. Again, it's because a TV show has a lower budget. It's not from laziness; it's from lack of money and time.

So that's why LBT TV series looks the way it does. They simply had a lower budge and less time to produce the episodes. It's not as bad as it could have been; the quality of the show compared to the movies was, in my opinion, a lot better than other movies-shows I recall seeing. But you can still tell the animation isn't 100% as good as the movies, but you should expect that.
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Post by: Daddytops2009 on April 09, 2012, 01:00:56 PM
It would had been my obsession beside FiM if it ran for more seasons.
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Post by: Petrie85 on April 10, 2012, 05:39:58 AM
No the show sucked a ton. It has nothing good in it. The songs made me wanna rip my damn ears off. The episodes where poorly made and the Animation was made by a five year old. What a waste of money it was to make a T.V. Series about the movie. The characters personality also sucked. They turned Ducky into a greedy selfish b****. They had no personality what so ever. I can't believe I watched this crap.
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Post by: Malte279 on April 10, 2012, 05:48:32 AM
I strongly disagree.
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The characters personality also sucked. They turned Ducky into a greedy selfish b****. They had no personality what so ever.
Actually this is a point that I held in favor of the movies, that the characters did have personality, that I feel they did continue characteristics we saw in the land before time movies and explored some of them a bit further and that they filled some characteristics that were not quite covered by any of the existing characters (by creating Ruby). Ducky was acting unusual in the episode about the sky color stones, but unusual as it was, given her fascination with the beauty of the stones and her almost constant standing back on behalf of others I still think it was credible. Describing her with censored words for it seems over the top to me.
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Post by: Petrie85 on April 10, 2012, 06:09:52 AM
I still don't think they had none at all. God what a horrible show no wonder why it didn't have a second season. They had better personality's in the movie than they did it in the T.V. Show. It's been five years since I watched that crappy show and I will never turn it on again. She was the worst in my opinion. The show was just awful.
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Post by: aabicus (LettuceBacon&Tomato) on April 10, 2012, 12:48:35 PM
I consider myself lucky that my favorite movie franchise even got a TV show. The show can make as many blunders as it wants, but just the mere fact that it exists to double the amount of LBT footage I have to watch makes me happy. I don't believe any of the mistakes made were unforgivable and since we never have to spend money to view it we should just be happy with what we got.
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Post by: FreckledOne on April 10, 2012, 01:52:43 PM
I feel kinda meh about the series.  

On the one hand, the first thing I said to myself when I saw the show at first was "It's about time!" I can't believe how long it took Universal to make a series based on one of their most popular franchises.  

However, on the other hand I thought that the animation was terrible.  I know that the budget for the show wasn't a whole lot, but I thought that at least it would look the same as the sequels because they were churning them out every year or so (And I think the animation in the sequels is very "TV style" anyway).  I didn't think it was possible that the show could look worse than that.  Also since I am a budding animator the flaws just jump out at me.  

I am mostly unhappy that Universal turned The Land Before Time even more into a preschool franchise, and that they reused songs from the sequels, but there are many, many things I could nitpick on that bother me (Littlefoot has a shoebox for a head, Chomper looks kinda like he needs to wear a bra :o , the fact that they used 3D models when the characters run). . .

But,

I can't really say that the show "sucked".  I guess I like the characters too much to completely dislike the show.  And I am probably the only person who likes the opening theme song.  

Wow this post is long!
(Also, I . . . kind of like the songs from PB&J Otter  <_< )
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Post by: vonboy on April 11, 2012, 12:51:04 AM
Like Jansonv(I think?) already said earlier, of course the animation in the tv series is gonna be worse. They didn't have much time to animate 26 episodes. That's also a lot of animation to do. It's something like 9-10 hours to animate, as opposed to just an hour and a half for a movie. Theres  also tons more design work that must be done, since most episodes have either unique characters or locations that  have to be made up from sratch.

It's a ton of work to make a tv show, and they didn't have a huge budget to begin with.

My gripes with the show:

It wasn't very exciting. There was too many pointless episode like "The Great Log Rolling Game" that just felt like boring filler. They could have done more exploring past events, like when they did a little of that in the Lone Dinosaur episode. I would of loved some episode with more serious plotlines, like the early movies had.
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Post by: Petrie85 on April 12, 2012, 10:08:25 AM
@Vonboy I totally agree with what you said right there. It had a lot of pointless fillers in the series. I thought the show was rushed and they didn't take the time to make it good. It was boring I actually almost fell asleep during a lot of the episodes. The titles of each episode where very lame and pointless. They could have done a lot better job with each title. Yeah the pointless humor in the shoe was very poor and not funny at all. They had the damn money they just didn't want to spend it on trying to make it a good T.V. Series, They took the cheap ass way out and we got crappy episodes. No wonder it didn't get a second season because of how cheap and god awful job with the 26 episodes. Thank god for that.
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Post by: Malte279 on April 12, 2012, 10:52:31 AM
I persist in not participating in the predominant decrying of the TV series. It could have been better, no doubt about that, but it was a lot better than many (myself included) anticipated by the time the series was first announced back in 2005.
In my opinion the series does not receive the credit it deserves for comming up with a large number of plots which, though too short to be made into a full length movie, did for the most part (there are exceptions, but in my opinion none so strong as some we have had in earlier sequels already), fit into the land before time as we know it from most of the sequels. There were flaws in the animation, there were some songs that were rather annoying, and there were some plots which are controversial. But the way I see it the TV series came up with acceptable to good plots for the most part. It included the maintainance of most character traits but also the deeper exploration of some characters. More than once did it comply with the frequently made request of not focusing all attention on Littlefoot. And it also provided some open questions which could be seen as an invitation to fanfiction writers who would like to fill in some gaps (origin of Ruby etc.).
Just my opinion, but I see the TV series as often being panned too much (as in often being decried with objective points of criticism and alternative suggestions being made, but much rarer) while anything positive that one could see in it seems to be taken for granted and therefore ignored.
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Post by: FreckledOne on April 12, 2012, 06:12:54 PM
I will say that I think it looks better than the vector-based shows out there.  

I only want to know why it took them so long to make a show in the first place; it seems that something like that would be one of the first things the studio would want to make.   :confused
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Post by: LBTFan13 on April 12, 2012, 11:53:56 PM
Probably because Universal didn't think making a TV series would have helped at all. I know that sounds completely bonkers considering how many movies they released, but they probably realized that making more movies would make more money than making a TV series. They probably only released the TV series when they realized that the franchise was losing a lot of money for them.
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Post by: Petrie85 on April 13, 2012, 02:20:47 AM
Yeah and so they ended the whole Franchise all together. But hey at least we got what we did. No complaining from me. And the show was so bad that they lost a lot of money witch they can afford to loose they they said we're done for good. And so it ends for good.
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Post by: Malte279 on April 13, 2012, 04:25:28 AM
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And the show was so bad that they lost a lot of money witch they can afford to loose they they said we're done for good.
What's your source for the lack of economic success of the TV series? Is it your personal estimation or something you can back up with actual data?
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Post by: vonboy on April 13, 2012, 09:53:56 AM
I haven't seen any actual data for it either, but it could be inferred that it wasn't doing so well financially, or else it would have been taken off the air so fast like it was. At the least, it's TV ratings were bad.

Let's see. I remember a website I went to to look up Nielson ratings for Futurama episodes. Don't know if it'd have any ratings for a little cartooon network show like LBT, but I can check.
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Post by: Petrie85 on April 13, 2012, 10:34:30 AM
Company's like Universal Have billions of dollars And since they have billions of dollars they're to damn cheap to spend any money have trying to make something good. Like the Land Before Time T.V. Series. If they spent a little bit more money on it would have been better and would have gotten good ratings. Since they're cheap and didn't want to spend the extra dollar you get a low rating piece of crap TV Series the ended after one season.
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Post by: Mr Wonk on April 17, 2012, 08:03:46 AM
It's so hard to find this show online but I have found two episodes so far.

http://www.tubewatcher.tv/11476 (http://www.tubewatcher.tv/11476)

and

http://www.tubewatcher.tv/11499 (http://www.tubewatcher.tv/11499)

Right now I have not watch them yet but I will later on if I get the time... :p
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Post by: StrutEggStealer on June 05, 2012, 02:12:55 PM
So far, the TV series is pretty cute and I like Ruby and Chomper as characters :)
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Post by: Daddytops2009 on June 07, 2012, 06:02:45 AM
I used to like the show.
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Post by: Mr Wonk on June 07, 2012, 05:44:16 PM
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I used to like the show.
Do you not like them anymore? Just wondering why... :DD
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Post by: Fyn16 on June 26, 2012, 03:24:29 PM
I saw one episode, and thought it was pretty darn good. My siblings like it as well. It's a good idea to bring LBT onto another format (TV).
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Post by: EggStealerGirl on July 13, 2012, 05:51:31 PM
The show was, well, alright in my perspective.

I really did like the opening theme, and loved the idea of them giving some of the other characters some return cameos. Was rather disappointed on how they never brought Ozzy and Strut back, though.
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Post by: LBTFan13 on July 14, 2012, 01:13:38 AM
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I really did like the opening theme, and loved the idea of them giving some of the other characters some return cameos. Was rather disappointed on how they never brought Ozzy and Strut back, though.
I remember when Wikipedia first had the fake episode title "The Return of the Egg Stealers" on the page for the show, it being fake because it obviously was never even made. Of course, at the time we didn't know that was the case, although we probably should have considering not everything from Wikipedia is fact. Regardless, I was very anxious to see Ozzie and Strut make an appearance in the series because they are my favorite villains in the franchise. I was very disappointed when the episode turned out to be a fake one, but the idea of it was still a cool one.
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Post by: EggStealerGirl on July 14, 2012, 01:52:00 AM
Yeah. I fell for that, too.

Boy, was I wrong... :bang

Well, they're still LBT characters, at least.

Just by only knowing that makes me happy! :D

You know, I was also looking them up on Wikipedia one time, and someone actually added in that they were currently living in a cave after Chomper's parents had drove them off... That couldn't be anymore false.

Although, I do have my beliefs that they did in fact survive.

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Post by: LBTFan13 on July 14, 2012, 09:28:54 AM
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You know, I was also looking them up on Wikipedia one time, and someone actually added in that they were currently living in a cave after Chomper's parents had drove them off... That couldn't be anymore false.

Although, I do have my beliefs that they did in fact survive.
Well that's the thing. We don't know what happened to them after LBT II. For all we know, they either were killed by Chomper's parents or they escaped. I also like to think that they escaped and if so, they could just as well be hiding out in a cave somewhere. Who knows? It's still cool to think of our own ideas though ;)

Anyway, on the series itself, I may not like all of the episodes but I appreciate that a series was even attempted. I never thought LBT would have a TV series, and it's a shame that it didn't come out until I was older. I feel like I would have enjoyed it more as a kid just because, well, as a kid you don't pick up on certain things. I don't regret watching the series and I think Universal did the best they could with this new medium for the franchise.

However, and I know I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this but I need to voice it out anyway, I really can't stand Ruby. I just can't. I mean the concept of having an oviraptor in the group is cool, but I just don't like her. I find how she speaks really annoying. I know that Ducky and Petrie also have their respective speech patterns, but those work to the charm of their personalities. With Ruby it kind of feels like it was just thrown in for the sake of it. The main reason why I don't like her is because I don't feel like she fits with the group, and this mainly comes down to her not having been introduced until the series itself. At least with Chomper the gang had encounters with in the movies themselves and they already knew each other.

I'm not trying to turn this into a Ruby bashing post, even though it certainly looks like that's what I'm doing, but that's my opinion on her. I probably wouldn't feel this way about her if she weren't part of the main gang and were only a recurring character like the grown ups.
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Post by: DarkHououmon on July 14, 2012, 09:43:40 AM
Honestly Ruby doesn't really bother me that much. I don't have much of a reason to dislike her. And I don't really agree that Petrie and Ducky's speech patterns work with their personalities. To me, they were just thrown in to make them sound cute, not to add to the personalities the creators gave to them. So Ruby's speech pattern is, in my opinion, not really that different from Petrie's or Ducky's.
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Post by: Malte279 on July 14, 2012, 11:31:42 AM
Each to the own opinion Rob, that is not a cause for any hatred towards you or anyone :)
I don't share your opinion myself. In a sense Ruby is a bit of a stereotypical wizkid, but since there hadn't been an LBT character who stood out for knowledge in particular I think that she was kind of a sensible addition. There are some other aspects of Ruby's character which I consider kind of interesting. The curiosity and her almost parentlike attitute towards Chomper (in fact, how did she come to be like a surrogate parent for him) combined with an ocassional streak of melancholy.
I see the problem of Ruby's lack of a back story. This however can also be seen like an invitation to the fanfiction writers and it could even explain some previous plotholes; in particular about how Chomper could learn "leafeater language" after the 2nd and before the 5th movie. Her coloring takes a bit to get used to, but so did Chomper's or Mo's.
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Post by: LBTFan13 on July 16, 2012, 02:18:22 PM
I understand what your saying Malte about Ruby's parent attitude towards Chomper. In all honesty though, I really wish they had Littlefoot act as that instead of Ruby. He already took care of Chomper when he hatched and I think it would have better displayed the bond the two of them had from the films. That was actually one of the things I thought was lacking a little in LBT V. To me it seemed like they didn't build on the fact that when the two of them were interacting with each other, only when he was arguing with Cera. True you could say when he jumped in the Big Water to save Chomper that was enough to show their bond, but I feel like it could have been shown more, which is why I would have liked it if Littlefoot was more of the parent figure to Chomper than Ruby.

In terms of the speech patterns, I honestly think it's more than just them sounding cute. I guess this is just me having gotten used to both of their patterns over the course of the sequels, but I don't find their speech patterns nearly as annoying as Ruby. Also, when you look at both of them, I think their speech patterns do work to their personalities. Ducky's conveys her generally innocent and sweet nature while Petrie's conveys his usual nervousness and gullibility. I don't know, maybe it's not how it is but that's how I see it.
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Post by: Malte279 on July 16, 2012, 02:56:17 PM
It is interesting how opposite our views in case of LBT V are. I found Littlefoot was a little too unconcerned and thoroughly trusting about Chomper. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Littlefoot should have had serious doubts about Chomper's faithfulness, but the degree of his openness was a little over the top in my opinion.
What was Chomper up to until he recognized Littlefoot and the others? I don't believe he was old enough to actually hunt and kill something of their size (though the working of his excuse (I had longneck for breakfast) suggests otherwise), but if that's so, why was he chasing them?
I find it kind of odd that LBT V on the one hand is the first ever LBT sequel to make a reference to Littlefoot's mother, but it is totally secluded from the plotline involving Chomper. I really think it would have been a good addition if there had been some kind of conflict of conscience for Littlefoot given the fate of his mother and the simple laws of nature. Cera was all along presented as the "bad one" for being cautious about Chomper, but was her extreme caution totally unsensible? Even if one did not suspect Chomper of any bad intentions he was clearly very naive about his parents who he was so certain wouldn't harm Littlefoot and the others that he led them straight to the place where they were waiting. Had Littlefoot and the others not jumped into the bushes in the very last second Chomper would have let his parents right to them. And right before Cera warns Littlefoot (who had asked Chomper if he wanted to take a bite) Chomper very much DOES look like he had misinterpreted to offer to refer to Littlefoot's leg. I suppose a depiction of a deeper inner conflict of Littlefoot in LBT V would have been regarded as too complex for LBT, but I still think that it would have improved the movie. Littlefoot's trust to Chomper in LBT V is unusual given the fate of his mother and the fact that he knew Chomper for but a few hours.

One more point I hold in favor of Ruby is the basic fact that she is one of the few female characters in LBT. Look at the characters added in the sequels, almost all of them are male. Ali, Tria and Tricia seem to be the only female characters of greater importance added throughout the sequels. There appear a few more (e.g. Elzy, Sue, Old One, possibly Dinah and / or Dana), but they are hardly characters whose significance is equal to that of many male characters in their respective movies (Hyp, Nod and Mutt; Chomper, Doc, Pterano, Mr. Thicknose, Mo, Bron, Guido etc.).
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Post by: Chomper98 on July 26, 2012, 07:58:06 PM
I enjoyed the series, but still, it lacked a lot to be desired, such as alot of returning characters, aside from Chomper and Shorty, lacked much personality, and were there as plot enhancers. Ali was also a complete airhead who believed anything Rhett told her, the Ali from 4 wouldn't do that, and Bron's reappearance was kind of dissapointing, especially his voice. No offense to Cam Clarke, but he sounded way to much like Simba, they should have rehired his original actor.

Another dissapointment was that they just threw Chomper and Ruby in there as if they were always there, most TV series with new characters explain the back stories of how they came in. The last was no Pterano, or the egg stealers, which would really have been good additions to the TV series.

All in all, it was pretty good, but I wish that they just gave the characters a little more personality, aswell as songs, they kind of(no offense to anyone who likes them) wasted time. I would give 3/5 stars.
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Post by: Fyn16 on August 14, 2012, 06:36:38 PM
It would just make my day if there were an episode in which Bron had exactly 24 hours to save the Great Valley from an impending Sharptooth attack. (Anyone get that reference?) :lol
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Post by: jansenov on August 14, 2012, 07:21:11 PM
^Yeah, Bron Bauer. ;)
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Post by: Fyn16 on August 15, 2012, 12:20:48 AM
Well, they are both played by Kiefer Sutherland...
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Post by: EggStealerGirl on August 28, 2012, 08:51:49 PM
Ok, so I've just finished watching all of the episodes, and I've gotta say that it wasn't all bad! :DD

Sure, there were some things I had a problem with, but I found it mostly enjoyable. ^^
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Post by: MurMur on June 26, 2013, 01:48:14 PM
I am happy with the TV series. There's no such thing as "Too much LBT". The more LBT we have the better.
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Post by: Ducky123 on June 26, 2013, 05:46:41 PM
This is exactly my point of view, MurMur :) I wouldn't mind another movie or another TV-series-season to be produced.
My actual opinion of the eps I watched so far was mostly okay... I have to watch all of them first (including most of the ones many members here hate) before giving a clear opinion about the TV-series.
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Post by: rhombus on August 14, 2013, 09:08:34 PM
My views on the series are mixed.  On the good side, the series introduced Ruby, which is my favorite character from the franchise.  But on the other side, the series had very inconsistent writing with episodes such as the Bright Circle Celebration being a particularly bad example.

But between the two options provided, I suppose that I will have to vote yes.
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Post by: Daddytops2009 on August 15, 2013, 04:14:21 AM
I haven't seen the TV series for years.
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Post by: LittlefootAndAliTogether on December 19, 2014, 06:22:59 PM
Quote from: Malte279,Jul 16 2012 on  01:56 PM
It is interesting how opposite our views in case of LBT V are. I found Littlefoot was a little too unconcerned and thoroughly trusting about Chomper. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Littlefoot should have had serious doubts about Chomper's faithfulness, but the degree of his openness was a little over the top in my opinion.
What was Chomper up to until he recognized Littlefoot and the others? I don't believe he was old enough to actually hunt and kill something of their size (though the working of his excuse (I had longneck for breakfast) suggests otherwise), but if that's so, why was he chasing them?
I find it kind of odd that LBT V on the one hand is the first ever LBT sequel to make a reference to Littlefoot's mother, but it is totally secluded from the plotline involving Chomper. I really think it would have been a good addition if there had been some kind of conflict of conscience for Littlefoot given the fate of his mother and the simple laws of nature. Cera was all along presented as the "bad one" for being cautious about Chomper, but was her extreme caution totally unsensible? Even if one did not suspect Chomper of any bad intentions he was clearly very naive about his parents who he was so certain wouldn't harm Littlefoot and the others that he led them straight to the place where they were waiting. Had Littlefoot and the others not jumped into the bushes in the very last second Chomper would have let his parents right to them. And right before Cera warns Littlefoot (who had asked Chomper if he wanted to take a bite) Chomper very much DOES look like he had misinterpreted to offer to refer to Littlefoot's leg. I suppose a depiction of a deeper inner conflict of Littlefoot in LBT V would have been regarded as too complex for LBT, but I still think that it would have improved the movie. Littlefoot's trust to Chomper in LBT V is unusual given the fate of his mother and the fact that he knew Chomper for but a few hours.

One more point I hold in favor of Ruby is the basic fact that she is one of the few female characters in LBT. Look at the characters added in the sequels, almost all of them are male. Ali, Tria and Tricia seem to be the only female characters of greater importance added throughout the sequels. There appear a few more (e.g. Elzy, Sue, Old One, possibly Dinah and / or Dana), but they are hardly characters whose significance is equal to that of many male characters in their respective movies (Hyp, Nod and Mutt; Chomper, Doc, Pterano, Mr. Thicknose, Mo, Bron, Guido etc.).
I think more likely as for Chomper's parents and Chomper, it was pretty well proven to be niavety, as Chomper never thought his parents would harm them.  What is even more shocking is that Chomper never even mentions what type his friends are (they could be fellow Sharpteeth for all they knew), yet they still said they wanted them to be dessert.  I was actually most shocked at that reply of Chomper's parents and wonder why they didn't try and eat Ruby.

Also, Chomper's look of astonishment when they say that is proof that he was up to nothing malicious.   I think his parents just happened to be nearby.  

Another problem is the Island itself.  Chomper may have been able to take a log across to get the Great Valley, but why would he feel threatened by Red Claw, Screech, and Thud, who, one would think, couldn't get to him on that island?

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Post by: Malte279 on December 19, 2014, 10:17:31 PM
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What is even more shocking is that Chomper never even mentions what type his friends are (they could be fellow Sharpteeth for all they knew), yet they still said they wanted them to be dessert. I was actually most shocked at that reply of Chomper's parents and wonder why they didn't try and eat Ruby.
Excellent observation! :yes
I don't think anyone has ever pointed out that one, but indeed that is remarkeable.
About the premisses for the start of the TV series we can only speculate. LBT V suggests that the island is problematic (not much to eat) for the sharpteeth, so they would probably have to leave before long. This would either suggest another natural disaster opening up the way to the island at least temporarilly (had that one as withdrawing water prior to a tsunami in one fanfiction) or a more complex plot allowing for at least Chomper to leave the island. It seems unlikely that he would leave his parents to starve, but maybe they suffered a different fate? Ruby says that she promissed to Chomper's parents that she would take care of Chomper; but why would they want her to take care of him?
There seems to be a certain probability that Chomper's parents are no longer alive by the time of the TV series. If one further speculated on a somewhat darker level, one could wonder if in case Chomper's parents are really dead Redclaw might have something to do with it (which would mark him as more than the everyday kind of sharptooth the gang is dealing with all the time). These are at least some thoughts I have in mind for a story I have never penned down though I did draw a few images based on it.
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Post by: LittlefootAndAliTogether on December 19, 2014, 11:33:50 PM
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What is even more shocking is that Chomper never even mentions what type his friends are (they could be fellow Sharpteeth for all they knew), yet they still said they wanted them to be dessert. I was actually most shocked at that reply of Chomper's parents and wonder why they didn't try and eat Ruby.
Excellent observation! :yes
I don't think anyone has ever pointed out that one, but indeed that is remarkeable.
About the premisses for the start of the TV series we can only speculate. LBT V suggests that the island is problematic (not much to eat) for the sharpteeth, so they would probably have to leave before long. This would either suggest another natural disaster opening up the way to the island at least temporarilly (had that one as withdrawing water prior to a tsunami in one fanfiction) or a more complex plot allowing for at least Chomper to leave the island. It seems unlikely that he would leave his parents to starve, but maybe they suffered a different fate? Ruby says that she promissed to Chomper's parents that she would take care of Chomper; but why would they want her to take care of him?
There seems to be a certain probability that Chomper's parents are no longer alive by the time of the TV series. If one further speculated on a somewhat darker level, one could wonder if in case Chomper's parents are really dead Redclaw might have something to do with it (which would mark him as more than the everyday kind of sharptooth the gang is dealing with all the time). These are at least some thoughts I have in mind for a story I have never penned down though I did draw a few images based on it.
As to that, I believe that is much less sinister.  Likely Chomper did something to offend Red Claw and had to run for it.  I doubt his parents are dead.  

As for why Ruby could return to her family, my theory is that she is NOT Red Claw's main target, but only got herself drawn into this by befriending Chomper.  If she left him, she could probably wander freely.  They make it quite clear that CHOMPER is Red Claw's target, and thus, he'd have to run.  Being with his parents would put them all in danger.  Ruby seems to have agreed to protect Chomper.  Also, the fact that Ruby would, at first, want to possibly go alone to Hanging Rock indicates that she is NOT the target of Red Claw, as she would, hopefully, have enough sense not to risk her life to do such a thing, knowing her parents would NEVER want to run the risk of her being a meal for Red Claw just to come see them.  


Another thing is that there is one Red Claw and one Screech and Thud.  If there is only three of them in total, then why couldn't Chomper's parents, plus Ruby's parents, plus Chomper and Ruby be able to take them out alone?   Perhaps Red Claw has a whole league of minions, and Screech and Thud just happen to be his bodyguards or something


As for the starvation danger, I suspect that is passed as years have gone by, no doubt, since the fifth movie events.  If they didn't die of hunger earlier, they probably aren't in danger now.

While losing his parents to a crazy Sharptooth psychopath would enable Chomper and Littlefoot to bond better due to mutual experiences, I doubt that is the case.

Also, if Screech, Thud, and Red Claw HAD indeed killed Chomper's parents, one would have surmised that Chomper would have let Thud stay trapped there and starve to death as payback.

As for the island, they may no longer be on it.  There may be another path off of it or something.     Chomper and his parents couldn't have explored the island fully as they had no idea the plated Sharptooth was there.   (Also, considering that the parents COULD have left, regardless, until the tsunami, they needn't have just looked for food on the island.   :D  )
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Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on December 20, 2014, 01:41:18 AM
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What is even more shocking is that Chomper never even mentions what type his friends are (they could be fellow Sharpteeth for all they knew), yet they still said they wanted them to be dessert.
Holy shit...I was just thinking about that scene the other day and realized exactly that.  :wow

I think it would be interesting if they were brought back. I remember thinking when I first rediscovered LBT in the spring of 2011 how useful they could be to the residents of the great valley...but I'm starting to think now that maybe re-antagonizing them would be a more interesting idea!  :smile
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Post by: LittlefootAndAliTogether on December 20, 2014, 02:28:50 AM
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What is even more shocking is that Chomper never even mentions what type his friends are (they could be fellow Sharpteeth for all they knew), yet they still said they wanted them to be dessert.
Holy shit...I was just thinking about that scene the other day and realized exactly that.  :wow

I think it would be interesting if they were brought back. I remember thinking when I first rediscovered LBT in the spring of 2011 how useful they could be to the residents of the great valley...but I'm starting to think now that maybe re-antagonizing them would be a more interesting idea!  :smile
That seems kinda dark there.  There is one HUGE problem with that.  If they hunt Littlefoot again, will Chomper fight them or will he just step aside and watch, or God forbid, join in?

Also, another thing I realized too is that Ruby can speak and understand Sharptooth, even if she never directly done in the TV series, yet, but, as Chomper's parents only seem to understand Sharptooth and not leaf eater, I don't see how she could have promised them anything if she spoke to them in Leaf Eater.  

And, the fact that they didn't find Ruby as "dessert" gives me hope that they have indeed changed for the better.

(Speaking of Ruby, you don't think she secretly might eat other dinosaurs too?  She eats clams.)  

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Post by: Malte279 on December 20, 2014, 07:26:51 AM
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As to that, I believe that is much less sinister. Likely Chomper did something to offend Red Claw and had to run for it. I doubt his parents are dead.
This however would suggest that Chomper doesn't see his parents (two adult sharptooth) as capable to protect him from Redclaw. You already answered to that problem by suggesting for Redclaw to be actually in comand of a much larger pack of Screech and Thud type sharpteeth. However, I don't think it would make much sense for too many sharpteeth to team up like that. Many fans in their fanfictions write about sharpteeth forming huge armies to destroy or to kill everyone.
I don't like such scenarios and don't see them as plausible. All the sharpteeth want is to eat. They wouldn't benefit at all from indifferentiated killing or from teaming up in groups too large to be supported easily by what "food" is around.
As for Chomper's saving Thud, in my story Screech and Thud wouldn't be around Redclaw by the time he kills Chomper's parents (who are protecting Ruby while Chomper himself is not around by that time). This fight (and a later "contribution" by Chomper) would leave the hitherto unnamed redclaw with the scar over his eye and the namesake red claw. Not only would this give an actual motive for Red Claw to go after Chomper, but it might also explain why a hitherto lone sharptooth (feared even by his specimen for his aggressivity) would decide to accept / force into obedience Thud and Screech as his swift eyes and ears and (as you suggested) "bodyguard" in the aftermath of an injury that made him realize he is not invulnerabe.
Ruby's role may be quite significant for Chomper's development. In my story (the beginning of which would be shortly after LBT 2 while the arc of the trilogy would span to the beginning of the TV series) Ruby is actually the one to teach Chomper "leafeater language" (which I don't expect he could have learned within the few first hours after his birth) and in the process of this teaching she might also start her habbit of repeating things in different word orders as a kind of teaching / learning game.
Ruby is an omnivore and could probably eat eggs too. In a later part of the story I have in mind this allows for her to interact with Ozzy and Strut (two villains I'd really like to see again) as a kind of "double agent" (trying to protect Chomper while pretending to be just another omnivore).
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Post by: LittlefootAndAliTogether on December 20, 2014, 02:09:22 PM
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As to that, I believe that is much less sinister. Likely Chomper did something to offend Red Claw and had to run for it. I doubt his parents are dead.
This however would suggest that Chomper doesn't see his parents (two adult sharptooth) as capable to protect him from Redclaw. You already answered to that problem by suggesting for Redclaw to be actually in comand of a much larger pack of Screech and Thud type sharpteeth. However, I don't think it would make much sense for too many sharpteeth to team up like that. Many fans in their fanfictions write about sharpteeth forming huge armies to destroy or to kill everyone.
I don't like such scenarios and don't see them as plausible. All the sharpteeth want is to eat. They wouldn't benefit at all from indifferentiated killing or from teaming up in groups too large to be supported easily by what "food" is around.
As for Chomper's saving Thud, in my story Screech and Thud wouldn't be around Redclaw by the time he kills Chomper's parents (who are protecting Ruby while Chomper himself is not around by that time). This fight (and a later "contribution" by Chomper) would leave the hitherto unnamed redclaw with the scar over his eye and the namesake red claw. Not only would this give an actual motive for Red Claw to go after Chomper, but it might also explain why a hitherto lone sharptooth (feared even by his specimen for his aggressivity) would decide to accept / force into obedience Thud and Screech as his swift eyes and ears and (as you suggested) "bodyguard" in the aftermath of an injury that made him realize he is not invulnerabe.
Ruby's role may be quite significant for Chomper's development. In my story (the beginning of which would be shortly after LBT 2 while the arc of the trilogy would span to the beginning of the TV series) Ruby is actually the one to teach Chomper "leafeater language" (which I don't expect he could have learned within the few first hours after his birth) and in the process of this teaching she might also start her habbit of repeating things in different word orders as a kind of teaching / learning game.
Ruby is an omnivore and could probably eat eggs too. In a later part of the story I have in mind this allows for her to interact with Ozzy and Strut (two villains I'd really like to see again) as a kind of "double agent" (trying to protect Chomper while pretending to be just another omnivore).
I also think Chomper would be really hateful of Red Claw is Red Claw had killed his parents.  

Anyway, we still don't even know WHY he'd go after Chomper or his parents.  Sharpteeth normally leave each other alone.  Usually they'd have to fight over food, or, in the case of Chomper and his parents and the evil Sharptooth on the island, it would be protecting family members.  

Title: are you happy with the TV series?
Post by: LittlefootAndAliTogether on December 20, 2014, 06:21:35 PM
Also, Chomper's parents' strange comment about viewing Chomper's friends as dessert, even though, as of yet, they didn't know what type they were, isn't the only strange thing I saw between them.

In Great Valley Adventure, one of them tries to bite Ducky, who was on the nose of the other.  Ducky gets away and the one that she was on the nose of got bitten by the other.

For a while, if you look closely, you can see the two fighting each other, before noticing the leaf eaters, looking at each other, and then going after them.

Perhaps it was just a marital fight where one was like "Nice going genius.  You bit me in the shnoz!"  and they fought before realizing the leaf eaters were getting away.


Another strange thing is that they seem to ignore Littlefoot both when he is stuck in the log and it almost seems like they'd have spotted him or smelled him.  (Perhaps Chomper told them to back off, but that doesn't explain then why'd they be after Littlefoot again in movie V.)  Also, they ignored LIttlefoot in the scene when they chased Ozzy and Strut too, despite Littlefoot being dangled by Ozzy (how did Littlefoot get back up on the edge by the way?)  right in front of them.


Also, it seems that Chomper DOES understand leaf eater even in II, because Littlefoot says stuff and he will shake his head and stuff like that like he understands it.  Also, he heard Littlefoot calling for help when Ozzy and Strut were gonna throw Littlefoot off the Great Wall.  

Also, back to the TV series, has anyone noticed that quite some time appears to have gone on during the series as they appear to have winter starting in one and winter ending in another and spring or summer at other times?

Title: are you happy with the TV series?
Post by: LittlefootAndAliTogether on December 21, 2014, 12:09:08 AM
Has anyone noticed that Chomper and Ruby are staying the night in some cave (that seems to be between the Great Valley and the Mysterious Beyond)?  i.e., they're not being allowed to spend the night directly IN the Great Valley.


Do you think enough of the grownups feared Chomper (and heck, maybe Ruby too) would try and eat their hatchlings in the night when it would be very easy to do so?


In other words, they trust Chomper enough to let him wander, with Littlefoot & co, during the day, where they can act if he tries anything carnivorous, but they fear he might do something at night when it would be all too easy to eat hatchlings and run off in the night, unpunished.  Why else would he wanna sleep in a, sometimes leaking, cave?

Also, I just realized ANOTHER oddity surrounding Chomper.  He goes by the name of "Chomper" despite it being given to him by Littlefoot and despite the fact that, one would surmise, Chomper's  didn't know Chomper was friends with Littlefoot anymore than one would have thought Grandpa and Grandma Longneck knew about Chomper.   Why didn't his parents give him a different name?  I mean, usually parents name the child, not (to them) edible leaf eaters.)  

(I personally wonder if Littlefoot mentioned Chomper this time when the grownups may have asked "where ya been?" at the end of V and they found out about and most approved of him.)  




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Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on December 21, 2014, 03:59:21 AM
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What is even more shocking is that Chomper never even mentions what type his friends are (they could be fellow Sharpteeth for all they knew), yet they still said they wanted them to be dessert. I was actually most shocked at that reply of Chomper's parents and wonder why they didn't try and eat Ruby.
Excellent observation! :yes
I don't think anyone has ever pointed out that one, but indeed that is remarkeable.
Dang! I was literally this close to being the first one!  Just... dang!  :neutral

I'm sorry, it's just I had honestly thought that up just a few days before LittlefootAndAliTogether did and knowing I could have been the first one... :neutral

LittlefootAndAliTogether, you must be a mindreader.
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Post by: Malte279 on December 21, 2014, 06:34:09 AM
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Has anyone noticed that Chomper and Ruby are staying the night in some cave (that seems to be between the Great Valley and the Mysterious Beyond)? i.e., they're not being allowed to spend the night directly IN the Great Valley.
We don't really know if they are not allowed to stay in the Valley during the night or if they live in the cave by choice (how do we know the cave is not inside the Valley?).
Curiously we do get an episode in which Chomper in particular has a problem with the dripping water inside the cave but we have never ever seen any of the others sleeping in the open in times of rain and thunderstorm. Most of the time the cave would seem like the more sheltered sleeping place.
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Post by: LittlefootAndAliTogether on December 21, 2014, 10:19:06 AM
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What is even more shocking is that Chomper never even mentions what type his friends are (they could be fellow Sharpteeth for all they knew), yet they still said they wanted them to be dessert. I was actually most shocked at that reply of Chomper's parents and wonder why they didn't try and eat Ruby.
Excellent observation! :yes
I don't think anyone has ever pointed out that one, but indeed that is remarkeable.
Dang! I was literally this close to being the first one!  Just... dang!  :neutral

I'm sorry, it's just I had honestly thought that up just a few days before LittlefootAndAliTogether did and knowing I could have been the first one... :neutral

LittlefootAndAliTogether, you must be a mindreader.
Well, there is also the fact that Chomper keeps the name that Littlefoot gave him, despite the fact that his parents probably didn't know about Littlefoot.  On the other hand, if Chomper could remember that on his own, despite being so young, he's gotta be one of the smartest characters in the series.  Also, you'd think his parents would have given him a different name.)

Also, there is the fact that Chomper's parents seem to actually be fighting each other in Great Valley Adventure after one, wanting to bite Ducky, who was on the nose of the other, missed and bit the other, and they seemed to be fighting, until they noticed the leaf eaters, after which, they went after them instead.
Title: are you happy with the TV series?
Post by: jansenov on December 21, 2014, 08:32:34 PM
About Chomper's name, it's quite simple. He has one name in one language, and another in the other. He'd allow the leafeaters call him Chomper simply because it is much easier for them than pronouncing his sharptooth name (considering how alien the sharptooth language sounds to the leafeaters, these two languages must be radically different from each other). This is common with humans, for example Chinese and Jews when moving abroad will often adopt a local name to fit in more easily, but continue using the old names in their respective communities. Before the modern age,  when converting to Christinaity or Islam, people would adopt new names for official purposes and continue using their old names in everyday life. The same thing was when people received Roman citizenship.
Title: are you happy with the TV series?
Post by: LittlefootAndAliTogether on December 22, 2014, 02:12:45 AM
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About Chomper's name, it's quite simple. He has one name in one language, and another in the other. He'd allow the leafeaters call him Chomper simply because it is much easier for them than pronouncing his sharptooth name (considering how alien the sharptooth language sounds to the leafeaters, these two languages must be radically different from each other). This is common with humans, for example Chinese and Jews when moving abroad will often adopt a local name to fit in more easily, but continue using the old names in their respective communities. Before the modern age,  when converting to Christinaity or Islam, people would adopt new names for official purposes and continue using their old names in everyday life. The same thing was when people received Roman citizenship.
Negative as to that.  His parents called him "Chomper" in Sharptooth if you read the closed captions in V.
Title: are you happy with the TV series?
Post by: jansenov on December 22, 2014, 05:01:21 AM
^The subtitles are not in Sharptooth, but a Leafeater (English) translation. And translations need not be, and sometimes cannot be, literal.
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Post by: LittlefootAndAliTogether on December 22, 2014, 07:17:20 PM
Quote from: jansenov,Dec 22 2014 on  04:01 AM
^The subtitles are not in Sharptooth, but a Leafeater (English) translation. And translations need not be, and sometimes cannot be, literal.
Ummm, I don't know about that.  Leaf Eaters actually almost seem to have a language of their own, as can be seen in "Through the Eyes of a Spike Tail".  It is only there that we hear it in a non-human linguistic.