The Gang of Five
The Land Before Time => General Land Before Time => Character Discussion => Topic started by: landbeforetimelover on May 31, 2007, 06:38:58 PM
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Has Petrie's maturity increased since lbt 8? In lbt 8 he states "oh sure me believe you, but then me believe anything". This doesn't seem to be the case in lbt 11. He doesn't believe Littlefoot's story about the tiny longnecks at first, in fact he was the first one to laugh at Littlefoot. This suggests to me that he doesn't believe everything he hears. Are there any othere examples you can think of in which Petrie has gained in maturity since lbt 11?
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is that perhaps gullibility more than maturity?
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If Petrie was more mature, then he'd stop saying "me this" or "me that".
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Perhaps his grammer is so bad because the others don't ever correct him. :lol
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I don't think he's very mature; he's still unnecessarily frightened by many things.
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I don't know, there are some instances where he is braver than others. In lbt 9, he tried to go over the gap and get the grownups. Sure, he was frightened by the steam but wouldn't you be? It was probably like 200 degrees or perhaps even hotter. The main point here is it was his idea to go get the grownups whereas in lbt 5, it never occured to him to go accross the big water to get help. Even after Littlefoot suggested it, he still refused, therefore proving that he was more of a scardy-egg than he is now. Just the fact that he came up with the idea to get the grownups and actually attempted it shows a huge gain in maturity in my opinion.
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Perhaps his grammer is so bad because the others don't ever correct him. :lol
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If Petrie was more mature, then he'd stop saying "me this" or "me that".
fun side note, even in other languages he still speaks with bad grammar XD
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I don't think he's very mature; he's still unnecessarily frightened by many things.
I don't think fear is always a factor at how mature someone is. Well if it is unnecessary fear then it might count as immaturity. But I haven't seen Petrie being "unnecessarily afraid" that often. Probably the only time I recall seeing him like that is during that episode of Land Before Time, when he was afraid of "bad luck".
Things Petrie's been afraid of almost always seem to come with a good reason. For example, the refusal of flying over to get help in LBT5, this is understandable. They had never seen the ocean before. It was uncharted and unexplored territory. They had no idea what lived in those waters, and they didn't know if they were safe even in the air. This is probably why Petrie didn't fly over.
Being mature means being responsible, and making the right choices. It also means having good judgement and knowing when to back down, and knowing when things are too dangerous. I believe Petrie can be mature when he wants to be, but can be immature at times since he is still a kid.
I sometimes see Petrie as being, well, more mature than the others at times, such as in The Canyon of Shiny Stones, referring to the part where he refused to go because of Smokey Mountain. He had the better judgement of the group, and made the right decision in trying to stop the others from going. This cautious behavior made him, in my opinion, the most mature of the group.
If Petrie was more mature, then he'd stop saying "me this" or "me that".
I've never considered bad grammar as a sign of immaturity. Petrie does say "I" sometimes, but it is a rarity. One of the few times we hear him say "I" is in the original Land Before Time, when he says "I-I-I fly?" and "I fall?!" So Petrie does know the "correct" way to talk; he just chooses to talk his own way. It's like in Land Before Time 12, he just likes to do things "his way".
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Well, on beleiving anything...that's pretty understandable for me :lol ! He beleived almost any story his uncle told him, so, it's understandable that he'd beleive anything ;) . Or maybe his just used to gigantical fliers and fliers being the first dinosaurs to beleive in tiny longnecks o___O
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Also one has to consider if his maturity is a thing that has increased, or is it more like he is as mature as the current writer wants him to be for the plot.
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He doesn't seem to be getting any more mature since watching LBT 13. He's still agreeing with Cera on everything and still using the same vocabulary. I don't see him getting any more mature, nor is Ducky or Spike. Cera and Littlefoot are another story however. Cera finally admits to having scary sleepstories and littlefoot learned a valuable lesson in LBT 13. I think they're focusing on these two main characters too much and not giving enough attention to Ducky, Petire, and Spike.
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It does seem so. I guess it's easier to write with two main focused characters. Though giving everyone their own time is always good.
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He doesn't seem to be getting any more mature since watching LBT 13. He's still agreeing with Cera on everything and still using the same vocabulary. I don't see him getting any more mature, nor is Ducky or Spike. Cera and Littlefoot are another story however. Cera finally admits to having scary sleepstories and littlefoot learned a valuable lesson in LBT 13. I think they're focusing on these two main characters too much and not giving enough attention to Ducky, Petire, and Spike.
Believing what Cera says and using the same vocabulary aren't signs of immaturity in my opinion.
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In my opinion, I always thought that Petrie was the youngest out of the group because he can't speak very well. Of course, this could be argued with Spike and Ducky.
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I always thought he was the oldest because we never see him hatching. I think it goes
Petrie
Ducky
Cera
Littlefoot
Spike
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the only reason why i would disagree with that order is becase in lbt 5 everyone comments that cera is the oldest.
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I is always using bad grammars.
Anyways, Cera aren't oldest. She hatching after Ducky.
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Anyways, Cera aren't oldest. She hatching after Ducky.
I interpret one of these two things as happening:
1) The order of hatching scenes at the beginning of LBT 1 is not chronological. In this case, we would not know which of the characters is older than whom, with the exceptions of Cera (LBT 5's comment) and Spike (Hatching in LBT 1).
2) The entire conversation about Cera being the oldest is false and ignorable...I like to say this isn't the case, though this entire conversation being inaccurate is very possible, considering some "interesting" descisions that Mr. Grosvenor made in his sequels... <_<
In the case of #1, we know this:
OLDEST
Cera
Ducky, Littlefoot, Petrie (unknown relative ages)
Spike
YOUNGEST
In the case of #2, we know this:
OLDEST
Ducky
Cera
Littlefoot
Spike
YOUNGEST
We do not know where Petrie fits in case #2, except that he is older than Spike.
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He could be younger then the 3 oldest but older then Spike. Though like you said it is hard to say. He could be around their age but the youngest of his clutch since he can't fly yet, or his not flying may be due to his fear.
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His lack of flying skills could've been due to the face he had no parent or brothers/sisters to model after or to appropriately teach him how after they were all separated. Not all birds can fly immediately. They have to learn, and they have their mother and brothers/sisters to learn from. Petrie had nobody, as none of the gang are fliers.
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None of the LBT movies clearly suggests that there is a large difference in age between the main characters (with the exception of Spike of course). From what we see in the original movie it looks pretty much like Littlefoot, Cera, and Ducky had the same birthday. In any case it certainly does not look like there was a significant difference in the age of Ducky, Cera, and Littlefoot. I have always wondered how Cera would know about her exact age anyway? Has she been counting the days since her hatchday? Do the dinosaurs even think in terms of four digit numbers? In any case the LBT 5 comment looks a bit like one of the regrettably typical cases of carelessness concerning the coherence with other LBT movies which we find in many of the LBT movies by Charles Grossvenor.
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i think we can all agree upon spike being the youngest, especially since the other four had hatched before then.
one thing i found funny about oetrie is that in the first four or five movies, petrie has his low tone to his voice. however, once LBT 6 came out, the pitch in his voice got a little higher, especially when he sings.
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that explains why Ducky calls him little brother,
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Excessive fear is not a sign of immaturity. There are many adults who deal with Generalized Anxiety Disorder (GAD) and/or Panic Disorder. Perhaps there are certain fears (i.e. monsters hiding under the bed) that may seem childish, but I don't think Petrie displays any such fears. There are adults who are gullible and believe everything they hear, so does that constitute immaturity? I don't have an answer for that.
BTW, they're still just kids. It will be awhile before any major changes in maturity levels would begin to happen ;).
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Well Littlefoot has grown a lot since he is now the same height as Hyp while he was 3 times smaller in LBT3.
But his grandparents seem to grow bigger than him every movie.
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I still find Petrie immature, more so than in the first few movies. One reason is that he learns something in a movie, like conquering his fear of flying, and then forgets the next film. His DMS (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck) in my opinion was his fanatic belief in the "Sun God" during "The Bright Circle Celebration" and even after all the morals learned like "things can be accomplished if you work together" and "ingenuity can save the day" he still thanks the Bright Circle for it's "help" in everything! (here's a callout to the scriptwriters too, for knocking the atheistic Cera off her high perch but letting the religious Petrie through the episode unscathed). Course this could be attributed to Fladerization, but it doesn't excuse him.
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One recurring trend I've noticed with Petrie is that in certain movies and TV episodes, the filmmakers introduce some unexpected new quirk to his character that is never again referenced in another installment. Besides his religious treatment of the Bright Circle Celebration in the titular episode, examples I've noticed include his penchant for imaginary friends in LBT IX, his snuggling stick in "Days of Rising Waters", and his superstitiousness in "The Meadow of Jumping Waters". I suppose not all of these are necessarily indicators of immaturity, though.
Also, is it just me, or does Petrie behave more "maturely" when he is forced to act on his own, as opposed to when he is with his friends, who generally seem to make decisions for him? For example, when he is trapped with Guido inside Blackrock in "The Hermit of Blackrock", he himself notes that Guido is more frightened of the situation than he is. Petrie's behavior throughout that entire episode struck me as less panicky, and more rational, than is typical of him.
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Something I found interesting was his actions at the end of LBT 10. When hearing that Littlefoot might leave, wasn't he all calm with words of wisdom about friends leaving? The others follow suit after he starts, but that's not something you'd expect Petrie to be an expert in.
He even says in the song that friends sometime have to leave. Where did he learn this? None of the others seem to have considered it until he mentions it. Maybe his mother told it to him at some point, such as when they were going to leave in 5. Or maybe Petrie saw his Uncle (or possibly Father!) leave his family, and his mother had to tell him that that sometimes happens. Or maybe Petrie had a friend back in LBT 1 who they had to leave behind or who chose to leave. Who knows?
(In regard to Petrie being flightless in the first film, I always assumed he was a late bloomer, and that his siblings had already learnt to fly, otherwise, how would his siblings have made it to the valley with their mother?)
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Something I found interesting was his actions at the end of LBT 10. When hearing that Littlefoot might leave, wasn't he all calm with words of wisdom about friends leaving? The others follow suit after he starts, but that's not something you'd expect Petrie to be an expert in.
He even says in the song that friends sometime have to leave. Where did he learn this? None of the others seem to have considered it until he mentions it. Maybe his mother told it to him at some point, such as when they were going to leave in 5. Or maybe Petrie saw his Uncle (or possibly Father!) leave his family, and his mother had to tell him that that sometimes happens. Or maybe Petrie had a friend back in LBT 1 who they had to leave behind or who chose to leave. Who knows?
You maybe forgot LBT 8 when Spike was leaving, Petrie thought -maybe forever
he even sang a song about it with others
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There is one thing however that may make Petrie be deemed immature and that is his failure in ocassions to respond properly or adaptively but then again that's human but Petrie is not.
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There is one thing however that may make Petrie be deemed immature and that is his failure in ocassions to respond properly or adaptively but then again that's human but Petrie is not.
:exactly
We ALL screw up on occasions and do stupid things, but does that deem an individual immature?
Courtesy of Wiktionary:
immaturity (plural immaturities)
1.Youth; the condition of being immature or not fully grown
Petrie, along with his pals, are not even adults yet! The Gang are most likely around ten to twelve years of age. So what if Petrie has these occasional "moments"? It's not like he's wetting the nest, sucking on a finger, etc. :rolleyes:! He's still a kid and is more likely bound to act like a kid than an adult, but due to his age, it's okay :yes.
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There is one thing however that may make Petrie be deemed immature and that is his failure in ocassions to respond properly or adaptively but then again that's human but Petrie is not.
:exactly
We ALL screw up on occasions and do stupid things, but does that deem an individual immature?
Courtesy of Wiktionary:
immaturity (plural immaturities)
1.Youth; the condition of being immature or not fully grown
Petrie, along with his pals, are not even adults yet! The Gang are most likely around ten to twelve years of age. So what if Petrie has these occasional "moments"? It's not like he's wetting the nest, sucking on a finger, etc. :rolleyes:! He's still a kid and is more likely bound to act like a kid than an adult, but due to his age, it's okay :yes.
I meant to keep screwing up.
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Am I the only one to notice that Petrie's voice, for some reason, went up an octave starting with 5? It's very strange, and makes him rather more annoying. :huh:
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^Had you read this thread, you'd know you're not the only one to notice that.
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I have, but no one's commented on it.
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So am I the first to notice this?
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^I noticed that, and I thought it was a different voice actor at first, even. Though I don't know why.