The Gang of Five
The Land Before Time => General Land Before Time => Topic started by: Bruton the Iguanodon on April 26, 2012, 06:31:57 PM
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Why do we never get to see the Land of Mists again?
Are we ever going to? Cause it would be soooooo sad if that was the last shot we ever got of the place!
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I doubt it. At the moment, there's no reason to go back. Unless another of the dinosaurs in the Great Valley were to get sick and need the night flower. The only problem though is then this would be just a rehash of LBT IV. There would be no suspense at all because they know how to find the night flowers now. They'd probably run into Dil and Ichy again, assuming Dil wasn't eaten by the sharptooth that chased her at the end.
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There's no need to go back to the Land of Mists. There was never any urgency to go back there. And considering how dangerous it is and the distance (it's not exactly that close, though closer than the crater valley that Bron and his herd lived in), it wouldn't really be all that worth it to go there just to visit.
Only way I can see LF and his friends going back is if they moved there, but there's not much reason for them to do that.
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So we're never going to see it again? :cry
Am I the only one that really likes the land of mists? :unsure:
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Since there's likely to not be anymore LBT movies, then no we won't see the Land of Mists again.
And who said you were the only one who likes the Land of Mists? I'm pretty sure that multiple members here like the Land of Mists. Just because nobody else seems as heartbroken as you are that we don't see the Land of Mists again doesn't mean they don't like the place.
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But we see the mysterious beyond again and again and again...
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That doesn't guarantee Land of Mists return. That doesn't mean that the gang will travel all that way back there. Just because the gang leaves the valley constantly doesn't mean that one of them will go "I want to visit the Land of Mists again!" and travel there.
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Oh well
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Well, I don't think they'd go back to the Land of Mists again unless someone gets sick with the same sickness as Grandpa Longneck, which owould be kind of boring. And I think it wouldn't be very fun of they went exploring in a place where you can't see very well. At least they could see clearly in the Mysterious Beyond.
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Well I have a few ideals why there could go back there but that would only be because of Chomper and Ruby wanting to go there to see what it's like. (Most of my ideals) OR someone gets sick. Like everyone else has been saying. :lol
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But I don't even think Chomper and Ruby would want to go to the Land of Mists. I'm sure that Littlefoot and his friends have told the two of them about their adventure there, and it would honestly be out of character for them to want to go to a dangerous place just for the heck of it. Every other time the gang has gone to a dangerous place it has been for a sufficient reason, and Chomper and Ruby wanting to see what the Land of Mists was like would not be a sufficient reason.
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As someone mentioned I don't see them returning to the Land of Mists unless someone does get sick like Grandpa Longneck did, with the same or a similar illness.
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There could be kidnapped by dil and itchy and the gang go out and try to save them. But thnking about it I don't think that would happen.
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Dil & Icky would have to go to the Great Valley, or get close enough to grab 1 or more members of the gang as they do one of their exploring and wind up outside the valley. Or Ali's herd could show up but Ali isn't there, mentioning she was captured or something.
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That could work out very well for a story in my view. OR a fanfiction. :DD
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There could be kidnapped by dil and itchy and the gang go out and try to save them. But thnking about it I don't think that would happen.
Capturing or kidnapping are tricky elements for LBT. I have been using something like that in an LBT story in which Ozzy and Strut captured but didn't kill Littlefoot and Ducky hoping to catch the others too when they tried to free them. There are not many scenarios in which this works in LBT (my own was not exactly credible I think) because most "villains' villany" in LBT is based on eating the main characters so keeping them alive or "imprisoning" them would often make little sense to the "villains". Possible motives might involve using "captives" as baits or for some kind of revenge plot. Villains we have seen so far with whom this might work out would be Ozzy and Strut, Rinkus and Sierra.
Keeping any of the LBT characters in captivity too might be tricky though. And require one of the villains at least to guard the respective character all the time. In case of Ducky and Petrie it might be possible to "lock them up" by making up a "prison" with rocks too heavy for Ducky or Petrie to move.
In case of Littlefoot, Cera and Spike it would be very difficult though. In fact I think they might even be too strong / massive to allow Rinkus or Sierra to force them to anything at all.
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I have an idea.What if that little rat like thing shows up and ask for their help,becose there's something trouble,which he's kind can't solve without some help?I think they would go back if a friend ask for it.
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That could work but because the rat can't talk it would be hard to tell the gang if someone was in danger. But I've been wrong before so yeah good ideal. :DD
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I have an idea.What if that little rat like thing shows up and ask for their help,becose there's something trouble,which he's kind can't solve without some help?I think they would go back if a friend ask for it.
That could be possible, except like it was already stated Tickles couldn't speak the same language as Littlefoot and his friends. However, he could at least understand them, so I'm sure there could be a way for him to communicate that something was wrong.
At the same time, the only problem with this is it is still kind of piggybacking off of what happened in LBT IV. Ali went back when Littlefoot was in trouble and convinced Ducky, Petrie and Spike to follow her back to the cave. Now granted, Littlefoot was stuck in the cave and not the Land of Mists itself, but it still seems a bit too familiar.
The only problem I had with Tickles is the same problem I had with a bunch of the characters from the TV show, like Rhett and Scuttle. Tickles did not need to be in the movie whatsoever. Nothing he does really benefits the gang or hinders them, and he is only in it for maybe twenty minutes. Now one could say that he helped them find Cera, but I highly doubt that Littlefoot and the others wouldn't have been able to find her once the rain lifted up. Just my opinion though, so I hope I don't offend anybody who particularly liked Tickles.
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Yeah,i understand your points,but i think there are ways to fix the mistakes i made.For example,what if a wandering herd who just arrived to the great valley starts to speak about a disaster,noticable from distance becose herds aren't going to the land of mists,like a big fire,or whatever,which makes the gang worried about Thickles.If i remeber correctly,Ducky seemed to especialy like the little rat,so i think she would remember him,and try to check if Thickles is fine or not.
I'm just saying,that there's a thing which can make them go back to the land of mists,becose they actualy left a friend there.It's minnor matter,how they get to know that he is in trouble.
For Thickles,i agree with you.He is definitely not the most memorable character in LBT.I even forget his name,and i was too lazy to look it up.Thats why i called him little rat like thing.
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Yeah, that's true. The gang would be more than likely to go back to save him. From the perspective of the universe, it would make sense. But from a basic movie perspective, it wouldn't make sense only because his character was kind of insignificant.
Then again, because even the most insignificant character in the franchise has been highlighted on, going back to save Tickles is still a plausible motive.
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I remember thinking it looked like they passed through the Land of Mists in LBTX...first they go through rocky heights in a desert, then they're in a swampy misty location where crocodiles are hazards...which is pretty much the route taken to get there in LBT IV.
It's a stretch, but I liked the idea that some of the older locations were being revisited - plus, it made map-drawing easier!
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There could be kidnapped by dil and itchy and the gang go out and try to save them. But thnking about it I don't think that would happen.
Capturing or kidnapping are tricky elements for LBT. I have been using something like that in an LBT story in which Ozzy and Strut captured but didn't kill Littlefoot and Ducky hoping to catch the others too when they tried to free them. There are not many scenarios in which this works in LBT (my own was not exactly credible I think) because most "villains' villany" in LBT is based on eating the main characters so keeping them alive or "imprisoning" them would often make little sense to the "villains". Possible motives might involve using "captives" as baits or for some kind of revenge plot. Villains we have seen so far with whom this might work out would be Ozzy and Strut, Rinkus and Sierra.
Keeping any of the LBT characters in captivity too might be tricky though. And require one of the villains at least to guard the respective character all the time. In case of Ducky and Petrie it might be possible to "lock them up" by making up a "prison" with rocks too heavy for Ducky or Petrie to move.
In case of Littlefoot, Cera and Spike it would be very difficult though. In fact I think they might even be too strong / massive to allow Rinkus or Sierra to force them to anything at all.
Technically, we already did see Ducky kidnapped in VII.
Also, who says the villains won't want to eat the characters once they all come? I mean, what if they tricked Chomper into coming, as meeting the first Talking Sharpteeth, other than himself, in the whole wide world might peak his interest and Dil and Ichy could take him prisoner.
Littlefoot has jumped in water with a Swimming Sharptooth in it to save Chomper before. He would definitely go into the Land of Mists to save Chomper, and, as for Ruby, well, she might be wondering how she's gonna explain to Chomper's parents why she lost him (and possibly fear that they'll eat her for letting them down) and so she'd go too. If Littlefoot and Ruby go, the others might come too.
As for a trap situation, it's kind of like in the original Narnia story, where the White Witch tried to get Edmund on her side, trying to get all four kids. Later, she might have hoped that they'd come after their brother and walk right into her trap.
I mean, Dil and Ichy might want the whole Gang of Seven to eat. Getting one might bring others. They just have to gag Chomper so he doesn't talk when the others get too close and try to warn them.
I did have a fanfic idea where Rinkus and Sierra, who are creepy enough to go there, met Ichy and Dil there and Sierra decided that he was gonna make good on his promise to "feed them overgrown eggs to the Sharpteeth". This would take place during the TV Series though Dil would be outside the Great Valley with Ichy, Rinkus, and Sierra just flying over the Great Wall and chasing the Gang of Seven outside the Great Wall. It would be even more amusing if the four villains thought Chomper might be an ally and tried to recruit him before learning of his true loyalties. I had Pterano just happen to come back from banishment and Guido just happen to be flying overhead and foil the bad guys's plans.
Eventually, Rinkus and Sierra would break up with Dil and Ichy. Rinkus and Sierra would vow to get even with Pterano, Guido, and the Gang of Seven. Dil and Ichy, meanwhile, would wisely decide NEVER to go after the Gang of Seven ever again.
Also, in a fanfic of mine that involved an older Gang of Seven, I had Chomper where he'd been kinda put in a jam by a conniving villain where he basically had to attack a Leaf Eater (the Old One) or watch his girlfriend die. He chose option 1 and the Old One died from her injuries and he nearly went nuts and almost ate her. He then had to scamper from the Great Valley.
Then, to make things lousier for Chomper, his girlfriend's home got taken over by Red Claw, who, pointing out that Chomper still wouldn't renounce friendship with Longnecks, had gotten Chomper chased off. Also, it appeared that Red Claw had killed his girlfriend's parents.
With Leaf Eaters, believing that Chomper was guilty of the crimes that the conniving villain had done, on a massive dino hunt for him and Red Claw's goons on the lookout for Chomper, not to mention minions of the conniving villain, Chomper and his girlfriend were dodging foes everywhere. Eventually, they were able to hide out in the Valley of Mists, where they lost their pursuers.
Chomper would sit here and think his life over, wondering whether to somehow, though very unlikley it was, to get back into good graces with the Great Valley and rekindle his broken friendship with Littlefoot or whether he should, given the circumstances, finally accept his long rejected life as a Sharptooth hunter of Leaf Eaters.
The mists could even symbolize the indecision that plagues Chomper. He would almost drift closer and closer to making a decision against Leaf Eaters here, with his girlfriend telling him that she'll accept him either way.
Chomper would meet Dil and Ichy, again, here. However, he'd decide to bury the hatchet and not start a feud with them for the Rinkus and Sierra incident years earlier. The four would form a hunting group. Eventually, Chomper appears about to accept being a "bad" Sharptooth, and tells the other three to go get him meat, as he still can't bring himself to hunt Leaf Eaters personally yet.
However, events would transpire to stop him from going over, shall we say, to the Dark Side. I really don't see how any Leaf Eater would want to go back to the Land of Mists. If even the veteran Old One was afraid of it, it must be really bad. The Gang of Five and Ali were just really lucky one guesses.
As a fifteen foot fall creature with at least foot long teeth, Chomper wouldn't have too much to fear there and so would be relatively safe. (Also, he has a girlfriend and later Dil and Ichy too, so he's safe from big preds.)
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The best chance would have been The LBT Series. Had there been more episodes, they probably would have revisited the Land of Mist just as many themes were revisited.
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Storytelling-wise, there's no legit reason for the gang to go back there. If a future movie ever does have the gang return to the Land of Mists, though, I do hope it'll be like Movie 9 and put the titular setting in a different light. Otherwise, it'd be a cheap rip-off.