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1988 Theatrical Release / Re: Changes you would have made to the film
« on: November 25, 2022, 12:18:35 PM »
That Littlefoot’s Treestar that he was given by his mom wasn’t trampled.
Yeah, that part was pretty sad.

Then again, it was likely going to shrivel up and disintegrate in the end because no one would eat it. How would you have made Littlefoot let it go?

It would have been nice if he laid it in river in the Great Valley and watch it float away, and the rest of the Gang comes to Littlefoot and asks to play and he transitions to his new life in the Valley. 
That's...actually a pretty good idea.

I’d change the part about it getting destroyed, too…but having Littlefoot just get rid of it also seems a bit harsh, assuming it’s actually the treestar his mom gave him (it’s not impossible the one he found in the footprint scene is a different one). After all, it’s not like Petrie would just get rid of the snuggling stick he apparently came to the great valley with.

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General Land Before Time / Re: When should we expect news about LBT 15?
« on: October 13, 2022, 11:59:15 PM »
I think LBT 15 is as likely as a Batman Beyond live adaptation.


So is it officially off the table?

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General Land Before Time / Re: Duckies voice actor on tiktok
« on: October 03, 2022, 11:14:11 PM »
Someone should ask her if LBT 15 is still a possibility.

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General Land Before Time / Re: Everytime Cera said Hee
« on: October 03, 2022, 11:13:00 PM »
I wonder why Candace was replaced. It couldn’t have been that she was too young, since Anndi never got replaced.

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1988 Theatrical Release / Re: Outcut land before time scenes
« on: October 03, 2022, 11:11:18 PM »
This thread has been pretty quiet this year, but at least there hasn’t been another false hope of coming across a tape with the scenes. How many times has that happened, now?  :lol

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1988 Theatrical Release / Re: James Horner: Music Thief?
« on: October 03, 2022, 11:08:44 PM »
Quote from: aabicus (LettuceBacon&Tomato) on May 08, 2022, 10:49:20 PM
Quote from: aabicus (LettuceBacon&Tomato) on May 08, 2022, 10:49:20 PM
I thought this thread was going to be about how Titanic originally had a bunch of Enya's songs while courting her as composer (most notably "Book of Days" in the wide establishing shot of the oceanborne ship), but then usage negotiations fell through so Horner composed a bunch of strikingly-similar replacements to fill the gap.

Oh wow, really? I knew the one piece sampled “Book Of Days”  but not that her music was going to be used. I love Enya’s stuff, it would have been really interesting to have it in the film.

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1988 Theatrical Release / Re: Friends in need
« on: October 03, 2022, 11:06:11 PM »
I’m guessing they left out the ending in order not to spoil it for anyone who reads the book before seeing the film. I remember they did something like this with a book adaptation of the third “Pirates of the Carribean” film.

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Land Before Time TV Series (2007) / Re: Regarding ANY Season 2 topics.
« on: March 29, 2022, 02:13:50 AM »
Probably would have worked better on Nickelodeon, honestly. Not my *favorite* choice but it probably would have been better. :rainbowThinking

But then it probably would have aired on Nick Jr, when most kids would still be at school.

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Episode Discussion / Re: Discuss: Missing Fast-Water Adventure
« on: March 29, 2022, 02:12:30 AM »
This is probably the best episode of the series imo, since Mo is in it.  :Mo

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General Land Before Time / Re: ichy with binoculars
« on: March 29, 2022, 12:09:01 AM »
Haha, that’s classic. Although a bit misleading to anyone glancing at the cover. At least they changed up the covers, although I honestly prefer the original ones.

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General Land Before Time / Re: Which kind of animation do you prefer?
« on: March 28, 2022, 08:33:29 PM »

The 7th movie’s animation looks like it was done on Flash for some reason (that’s just how it looks to me) so I didn’t really like it.


Interesting. It doesn’t feel quite like it to me; when I hear Flash animation, what comes to mind is something like the later Cyberchase episodes, where the movements of the characters look stiff and robotic. 

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Land Before Time TV Series (2007) / Re: Regarding ANY Season 2 topics.
« on: March 28, 2022, 08:24:48 PM »
10am? :ShortyDisgusted That time is alright for the sort of shows you’d see on Disney/Nick Jr., but not Cartoon Network. Not back then anyway (CN has the whole morning Cartoonito block-thing going on now, lol)

To be fair, if Cartoon Network still had Tickle-U (Cartoon Network’s failed preschool block which ran from 2005-06) during the time the TV series aired, that’s fine.

But the fact that it aired a few months after Tickle-U ended just shows they had a good chance to net some viewers, but did it at the worst possible time.

And can I say that I just feel bad Cartoon Network aired the show because according to a source I found, they just aired it because Universal saw them airing movies 1-11 constantly.  So if they can air LBT movies, they can air a LBT TV show right?  Nope.  Just choose some other network that can fit this show perfectly, and not some network that aired nearly your entire library of LBT movies nearly everyday.

Yeah, I remember Cartoon Network would air the movies as part of it’s “Cartoon Theater” block.

That’s interesting it aired at 10am. I only recall seeing it once on CN, but I thought it was earlier.  I think it would have helped at least a little if the show was broadcast on weekend mornings. Showing it when most kids are in school is one thing, but not even on weekends?

As for the supposedly cancelled season 2, I wonder if we could contact the creators to find out about what plans they had for it? It would be interesting if some elements of these scripts ended up being used in Journey of The Brave.

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Land Before Time TV Series (2007) / Re: Regarding ANY Season 2 topics.
« on: March 28, 2022, 02:38:48 PM »
It would be interesting to know what season 2 would have been like if it had been made. Does anyone even know if there were ever plans for it to happen?

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The Welcome Center / Re: Hello
« on: March 28, 2022, 02:37:36 PM »
I think I’m happy with this new account, but thanks for being willing to help!

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General Land Before Time / Re: Which kind of animation do you prefer?
« on: March 28, 2022, 01:04:32 PM »
I might end up being an odd one out here

I'll get a few obvious ones out of the way first so I can disqualify them for being too easy as picks: the first movie's animation soars above everything that came after; the craftsmanship of the art and movement is extraordinary and the color direction is great; and the bulk of the TV series' animation is firmly at the bottom; no slack to be cut there, it's a bunch of crap.

From there, I think there are more, finer divisions to make than just pre/post-art shift, though that is still the defining line in all of this given how much changed after that (e.g. the T. rex designs). The pre-art shift sequels can be split up into two eras, one adjacent to the Roy Allen Smith-directed movies - the style in question is janky and limited but has a certain charm to it thanks to the decent artwork, the colors are also pleasant - and one adjacent to the Grosvenor-directed ones - they must have changed animation houses and it shows, the animation is even worse and the art takes a hit; the colors are inconsistent between the two movies, they're awful in V and relatively fine in VI.

After VII and the art shift, I think things splinter:

  • The seventh movie is in a weird place; the animation itself is leaps and bounds above the previous sequels (especially the last two), but the art style is like a weird prototype for the later sequels, one with no shading whatsoever.
  • The eighth, ninth and tenth movies all have a relatively consistent style; though I'd argue the animation itself is a hair below the seventh movie, the colors and art are definite improvements, with more agreeable colors and actual shading. I'm hard pressed to say it's good but it's decent for what it is; it's also worth noting that there's variation even between these three movies, especially with their use of extremely poor CGI (VIII uses very little, if any, IX flexes its muscles in that regard and X goes to town with the stuff).
  • The eleventh movie tries to be a lot cartoonier than its precursors and fails miserably. This is most egregious in the climax where everyone turns into jello monsters while running away from the sharpteeth. Everything on display here is unappealing, I'd argue it's as bad as the earlier sequels but for different reasons.
  • The twelfth movie does a fine job for what it aims for; it uses a lot of bad CGI, sure, but the animation is a lot more stomachable and the art is decently similar to the earlier post-art shift sequels, albeit with duller colors.
  • The thirteenth movie is weird; all in all I'd say it's akin to the gasps of half-decent animation in the TV series, though it's still far from great and it dips in plenty of places. Worth mentioning is that the thing is utterly rife with animation and coloring errors.
  • Journey of the Brave's animation is stilted and bad; the art is definitely off in places too. On a technical level, it's probably the worst of the 21st century sequels, though I'd personally rank it above XI, at least.

I'd say my favorite animation style of all of the ones depicted in the sequels is the mid-post art shift style depicted in VIII - X, though I'll readily admit that it's flawed.

Nice analysis!

I agree that there are conspicuous differences even between films that use the same…animation, I guess? Not entirely sure about the correct term to use here, since in spite of the art shift, all movies are still hand-drawn, with some CG.

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1988 Theatrical Release / Re: Outcut land before time scenes
« on: March 28, 2022, 11:38:41 AM »
It seems like over the years we keep thinking we’ve found a VHS copy with the missing footage, and every time it just leads us to  a standard copy.

But what about that rumor that the uncut version was broadcast in Finland in the mid-90’s? Do we know for sure that it was just a rumor?

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So glad that this was finally released! It’s just a wonder it took so longer.

IKR!? Why it took them over 30 years ( the 2 tracks were released in 2020) after the film came out to release the full soundtrack and 5 years after James Horners untimely death is beyond me. Not even the squeals reused any of the music from these newly realised tracks.
Still good to finally hear the whole isolated soundtrack as well as other parts here and there that weren't in the actal film due to the cutting and re-edits .

I guess maybe it wasn’t reused in the sequels because they didn’t have access to it?

I’m thinking maybe the reason it wasn’t released was because the soundtrack was originally released before the CD age, meaning it would have to be a double-album if they wanted to release the full 70-minute soundtrack.

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Btw, OP actually heard back from Bluth? That’s amazing. And I guess he of all people would know. I’ve heard a rumor that he has a personal copy of the uncut version, but unless there’s actual confirmation it should just be taken as a rumor.

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I really enjoyed her reviews. She seems like such a cool person, and always made interesting points about stuff in the films. I admit I had a bit of a crush on her when I first watched them!  :smile

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General Land Before Time / Re: Which kind of animation do you prefer?
« on: March 27, 2022, 06:02:53 PM »
I definitely prefer the old animation. I know there are a lot of people who find the animation the series has had since 2000 to look smoother and more impressive, but I just don’t like it as much.

Obviously the original film captured the look and feel of the prehistoric world perfectly, and movies 2-6 manage to continue doing exactly that without being exactly like the original. Even though the sequels were technically meant for a younger audience than the original, they still looked (to me, anyway) like something everybody could appreciate.

But then, movie 7 happened.

Someone mentioned brightness (aka, over saturation) being the problem, but I don’t even think that was really a factor of the art shift. I was looking through some reviews recently and it’s actually between 4 and 5 that the films switch from a washed-out look to a more saturated one. While I definitely prefer the washed-out style, it didn’t effect the overall look of the films too much, imo.

The art shift in 7 did, however. Watching the stuff from this point on, I just don’t get that magical sense of being taken to a timeless prehistoric world anyone can appreciate; rather, I’m taken to a modern one that’s meant to appeal to younger kids. It’s shiny-looking, it’s contemporary, and it just doesn’t, well, put the timelessness in Land Before Time! I heard someone mention how the characters look better in the older movies. I agree; Petrie looks especially bad in later films.  Overall, I don’t hate the look of movies 7-14; two of my favorites (9 and 14) are from this era, and they still do a good enough job capturing a prehistoric world. But it it’s the actual land before it time I want to be taken to, the earlier films are going to be the ones to do the job.

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