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Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on July 23, 2007, 03:12:34 AM
Hi and welcome to the Gang of Five discussion topic for the LBT 12 song "Things Change"! :D

For those of you new to the singing/recording process we do here, please see this topic:
http://z7.invisionfree.com/thegangoffive/i...?showtopic=1506 (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=1362)

So far, this project has received interest from the following vocalists:
Action9000 ( :P: )
Dash the Longneck
duckytears
Flathead
landbeforetimelover
littlefoot
littlefoot1616
Malte
Manny Cav
Nimrod
Pokeplayer
Ryuuzaki
Saftycera
SaphireRaptor
Stitch

Status of project:
Background music completed: 100% roughed out (available for download here:
http://www.driveway.com/nknde61975 (http://www.driveway.com/nknde61975) )100% complete

Original music completed: n/a
Recordings received: ALL
Overall completion: 100%

APPLICATION DEADLINE: January 28th, 2008
If you wish to sing with us, I need to you post here or let me know otherwise that you want to join in.  Please do so by the date above.  This is because I need to know how to group the singers and I have to give the singers time to get their recordings done.  Thanks. :yes

RECORDING DEADLINE: January 31st, 2008
Please submit your recordings to me (MSN, e-mail, yousendit, any method is fine) by the date above.  There will be no extensions to the deadline.  If you have not sent me your recording by this date, you will be excluded from the song.  Thanks. :)

Date of Background Music Completion: COMPLETE.  Final version will be included with the release of the vocal rendition of the song.

Upon the completion of writing the background music, I shall set application and recording deadlines.  Until then, feel free to discuss any ideas, questions, or line preferences (which lines you want to sing) you have.  if you want a to request specific lines in the song to sing, just post it up and I'll do my best to accomidate you (conflicts will be resolved as they arise). :)
The lyrics have been posted up on my website.  If anyone is interested in an Mp3 of the original song, let me know and I'll have it up for you.  

Please remember though, to Not record your voice while listening to the original song!
 Synchronizing your voice to my music will be very difficult (if not impossible. :P:)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 23, 2007, 03:18:23 AM
I want in!
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on July 23, 2007, 03:20:46 AM
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I want in!
You voted for this song in the other topic, therefore you are in automatically :)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Flathead770 on July 23, 2007, 04:47:34 AM
Wow, i completely missed the voting process but nevertheless, i want to be a part of this project!
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Dash The Longneck on July 23, 2007, 05:17:19 AM
I know I didn't vote for this song. But do you think I could join? I loved recording the last time I'd even sing  I feel so Happy. (Okay, maybe not that song but you get the idea.) ;)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 23, 2007, 05:46:40 AM
Hope ya got that new computer Action.  Something tells me that this project is gonna boom.  You did mention that you had some trouble with our last song due to the amount of singers in it and the fact that you're limited to 3ghz.  I hope ya got the new computer!  This is gonna be great!


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I loved recording the last time I'd even sing I feel so Happy. (Okay, maybe not that song but you get the idea.)

I sing that song to myself all the time!  I never record it though.  It's too cheesy. :lol:
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on July 23, 2007, 06:16:19 AM
I'll be in if you can't get someone to do the high part. ;)  But I won't sing the rest of the song.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Dash The Longneck on July 23, 2007, 08:56:48 AM
Quote from: landbeforetimelover,Jul 23 2007 on  04:46 AM
Hope ya got that new computer Action.  Something tells me that this project is gonna boom.  You did mention that you had some trouble with our last song due to the amount of singers in it and the fact that you're limited to 3ghz.  I hope ya got the new computer!  This is gonna be great!


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I loved recording the last time I'd even sing I feel so Happy. (Okay, maybe not that song but you get the idea.)

I sing that song to myself all the time!  I never record it though.  It's too cheesy. :lol:
I used to like that song. But after the fifth sixth or maybe even seventh time I have heard it it got really really annoying to me. :lol:
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on July 23, 2007, 09:30:38 AM
Will you be distributing lyrics automatically?
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: pokeplayer984 on July 23, 2007, 01:12:12 PM
Quote from: Manny Cav,Jul 23 2007 on  08:30 AM
Will you be distributing lyrics automatically?
I'll take care of this one, Action, if you don't mind. :)

Here are the official lyrics of "Things Change". (It SO pays to keep your sent PMs.)

Song: Things Change
Lyrics:

Cera: Just when your life is perfect
Everything's looking bright
You're with your friends 'till daylight ends
And safe in your nest at night

Then you get this funny feeling
That something is just not right
And all at once things change
All at once things change

I used to be important
Until that egg was there
Although I know dad loves me
Seems like he forgot to care

I thought we were a family
But it's really so unfair
When all at once things change

Littlefoot: Familes grow
Grown ups you know,
Turn into someone new

Ducky: You try to keep things like they are

Ducky and Littlefoot: But you wind up changing too

Ducky: Maybe a baby threehorn will not be so bad at all

Littlefoot: You can teach her to talk

Ducky: To roll a rock.

Littlefoot: And catch her if she starts to fall

Ducky: Maybe things will be better
Then you ever thought they could

Cera: And maybe when things change

Littlefoot and Ducky: Maybe when things change

Cera: Oh maybe when things change

Littlefoot, Cera and Ducky: They will change into something good.
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On top of that, here's the footage from the original scene so you know how it goes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_P8bC-9pxQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_P8bC-9pxQ)

That should be plenty of help. :^.^:
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on July 23, 2007, 01:57:51 PM
What I meant was who was doing what, not what the actual lyrics are.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on July 23, 2007, 04:35:34 PM
Quote from: Manny Cav,Jul 23 2007 on  12:57 PM
What I meant was who was doing what, not what the actual lyrics are.
You usually sing the whole thing and Tim will choose where you fit in the best. :)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on July 23, 2007, 04:52:56 PM
Wouldn't that be sort of difficult if 2 of the dinos were singing at the same time, but were doing different parts?
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on July 23, 2007, 06:04:17 PM
Dash the Longneck:
Flathead:
Welcome aboard! B)

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I'll take care of this one, Action, if you don't mind.
Thanks, Pokeplayer :)

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Wouldn't that be sort of difficult if 2 of the dinos were singing at the same time, but were doing different parts?
Looks like Manny Cav thought of the same problem I was trying to work out.
We can handle this any way the team here wants to.

An example of this in Things Change can be seen in the lines
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Cera: And maybe when things change

Littlefoot and Ducky: Maybe when things change

Cera: Oh maybe when things change

We can do one of a few things in this case:

1) We can all sing "And maybe when things change.  Maybe when things change, Oh maybe when things change", which may be a little tricky since it is designed to be sung by 3 different people.  This won't give very good results because the "Oh" of Cera's line starts before "maybe when things change" sung by Littlefoot and Ducky are finished.

2) We can break up into 2 groups.  The first group sings Cera's line, the second group sings Littlefoot and Ducky's lines.

3) We can break up into 3 groups.  One for Cera's line, one to sing Littlefoot's harmony, one to sing Ducky's harmony.

4)We can scrap Littlefoot and Ducky's harmony at the end and just sing Cera's lines.

We will need to coordinate a bit for this section of the song because it cannot be done by singing just one part without scrapping part of the singing.  We will need to break up into multiple parts for this to work.

I suggest we do the following:

Once I complete the background music, I will sing the song on my own, singing the lead part (basically, Cera's lines), no harmony parts.  I will then send everyone here the music with me singing, as well as the music with no singing (you may sing to whichever one you find easier to sing along with).  

Our group will break up into 2 groups.  The first group will sing Cera's lines whenever there is a harmony (like the example above).  The second group will sing one of the harmony parts.  Once I receive those recordings from most of the team here, I will make another recording of myself singing the Other harmony part (whichever hasn't been covered yet).  I'll replace the old recording of me with the new one, and we *should* end up with the lead vocal, as well as 2-part harmonies wherever we need them.

That being said, we need to break off into groups if we continue with this plan?  If you don't understand the plan or you have other ideas on how to handle the song, post back with your comments! :wow  If you like the idea, let me know.  The requirement for this plan is that we need people willing to sing the harmony parts.  I'm sure that most of the people participating in this song want to sing Cera's lines the most.  Remember that there are Not very many harmony parts.  You will get to sing Cera's part for most of the song, whether you're in the 1st or 2nd group.  

Does this plan sound reasonable?  Does it need more explaining, rewording, anything?
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Littlefoot1616 on July 23, 2007, 06:19:00 PM
Given the success of the last sing-a-long, I'm all for this one! Just lemme know when recordings are needed and I'll get right on 'em!  ;)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on July 23, 2007, 09:52:59 PM
Hmm... this is really started to add up on me. Will you be deciding who is in what "group?" If I'm going to sing the whole thing like Petrie suggested, then how will I do the  harmony parts? I've only been here for a week or two, so my first time doing this is going to be a trial-and-error process.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 24, 2007, 12:59:19 AM
I think we should all sing all parts and you should just use whoever's voice sounds the best for littlefoot/ducky part at the end.  Ya know, we'll sing 1 recording leaving the littlefoot/ducky part at the end out of it and then, we'll just make another recording lasting like 10 seconds and just sing that line.  If we do it this way, there will be a better chance of getting someone who sings the best together to sing the littlefoot/ducky part at the end.  Does this make sense?
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Flathead770 on July 24, 2007, 01:23:52 AM
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Does this plan sound reasonable?
I like the idea and can't think of a better way of doing it, also, i wouldn't mind singing harmony if we decide to include it in the song.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on July 24, 2007, 02:16:01 AM
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Given the success of the last sing-a-long, I'm all for this one! Just lemme know when recordings are needed and I'll get right on 'em!
Will do, LF1616!  Sounds like a plan!

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we'll sing 1 recording leaving the littlefoot/ducky part at the end out of it and then, we'll just make another recording lasting like 10 seconds and just sing that line. If we do it this way, there will be a better chance of getting someone who sings the best together to sing the littlefoot/ducky part at the end. Does this make sense?
I like that idea.  If anyone wants to do this, I'm more than happy to accept recordings of this nature. :)

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i wouldn't mind singing harmony if we decide to include it in the song.
Great!  We'll probably only need one or two people maximum singing harmony.

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Hmm... this is really started to add up on me. Will you be deciding who is in what "group?" If I'm going to sing the whole thing like Petrie suggested, then how will I do the harmony parts? I've only been here for a week or two, so my first time doing this is going to be a trial-and-error process.
I'm sorry, I can understand how this project can be a bit overwhelming, especially for a new member.  I'm happy to see such enthusiam and interest in what we're doing though!  I will try to make this project as clear as possible for you.  If you have any other questions, just keep posting them up. :yes

The "group" idea is brand new to this project so I'm making this up as I go along :p

The plan was to let everyone choose which "group" to be in; the Lead singing group or the harmony group.  If we did't get enough people in a group (as long as we have one, we'll be fine), I'll need to start assigning groups to people or we'll need to dicsuss an alternate plan.

Good news though!  It seems that Flathead is willing to sing harmony, so as long as at least one of you is willing to sing Cera's lead lines, we'll be fine!  I will be likely singing harmony along with Flathead, so somebody other than I will need to sing the lead.  Once we figure out who will be doing that, we'll be all set!
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on July 24, 2007, 02:35:33 AM
Let me just re-assure you all about something with this song: ;)

I have looked into it a little bit. The "high note" in "Things Change" (All, Once) is a long B-flat.  This note is lower than the last note in "If We Hold On Together" (which is a C).  It is only one half-step higher than the "Sauuuuur!" in "Lone Dinosaur".  If you can sing the word "Dinosaur!!" in Lone Dinosaur, you'll be fine with this one.

If you listen to the MIDI file below, you will hear the note that male singers will need to hit.  See?  It's really not that high. :)

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...A91207A65802930 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=BA91207A65802930)

female singers will be an octave above the previous clip, hitting the same note as the original song, like this:
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...704DA5174D45CCC (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=A704DA5174D45CCC)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 24, 2007, 03:02:14 AM
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so somebody other than I will need to sing the lead. Once we figure out who will be doing that, we'll be all set!


I am willing, but not able.  We're in the process of moving and everything's a little out of control.  The RV's in a parking garage and there's nowhere I can sing for at least 2 weeks.  I'm sorry. :(   Someone else will have to do it, no matter how much I want to.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on July 24, 2007, 03:04:58 AM
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there's nowhere I can sing for at least 2 weeks.
No worries!  I don't even expect the background music to be ready in 2 weeks if my schedule stays this busy! :p   I won't have the deadline for recordings before September 1st for sure, and probably even later than that.  As long as you get set up within a month and a half, i'm sure you can sing with us. :yes

EDIT : September 1st, not August 1st LOL

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Hope ya got that new computer Action. Something tells me that this project is gonna boom. You did mention that you had some trouble with our last song due to the amount of singers in it and the fact that you're limited to 3ghz.
I hope I get it soon, too.  I placed the order for my computer but I haven't received it yet.  It will sure make life easier once I receive it though; I hope it gets here soon!  Then I won't have to worry about sacrificing control and sound to free up computing power.  It'll be nice.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on July 24, 2007, 04:36:59 AM
I can't resist :p

Here is a short "teaser" mp3 of the music I've completed so far.  Obviously there is a Lot left to do but I think this song will turn out very nicely, based on how it's going so far! :yes

I think my little electric piano sound handles this song very well!  I was worried about that but I think it will work out just fine ;)

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...8B1CCB41EE3F971 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=38B1CCB41EE3F971)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on July 24, 2007, 06:08:02 AM
I've already worked out with Tim what I'm willing to do for this song.  He'll fit me in if possible.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on July 24, 2007, 09:19:13 AM
I think that someone might have already said this, but what if I send you a full recording minus the harmony, and then a shorter recording with just the harmony?
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on July 24, 2007, 03:44:45 PM
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what if I send you a full recording minus the harmony, and then a shorter recording with just the harmony?
That will work nicely. :)
If you want to do that, it's just fine with me.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 25, 2007, 02:05:36 AM
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That will work nicely.
If you want to do that, it's just fine with me

That's what I wanna do to! :D
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Saphireraptor on July 27, 2007, 07:17:22 PM
hey i'd like to sing for this one too! thanks!  :DD
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Malte279 on July 28, 2007, 04:55:37 AM
I'm honestly looking forward to hear you on this one Saphire (no flattery intended) :yes
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Nimrod on August 01, 2007, 01:04:27 PM
Quote from: Malte279,Jul 28 2007 on  03:55 AM
I'm honestly looking forward to hear you on this one Saphire (no flattery intended) :yes
Hi, I want to sing with you too.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on August 01, 2007, 06:01:52 PM
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Hi, I want to sing with you too.
Okay!  I will have the music posted up shortly.
When you finish your recording (after I post the music up), you will have to send it to me somehow.  Hotmail only accepts files up to 10 MB in size.  What you can do is use
http://www.yousendit.com (http://www.yousendit.com)

to send larger files.  Check out the site and if you have any questions, feel free to ask. :yes
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on August 01, 2007, 06:51:36 PM
I personally prefer:

http://www.driveway.com/index.html (http://www.driveway.com/index.html)

Up to 500mb file uploads and unlimited bandwidth.  Files last for 3 months if no one accesses them in that time.


EDIT:  forgot to say that you don't even need to sign up to upload files! :yes
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on August 03, 2007, 06:27:22 PM
Significant delay coming up:

I got my new computer last week and I installed the only sound card I have that is very functional for audio work, into it.

Unfortunately, the onboard network card (allowing connection to the internet) has failed on the new computer's motherboard.  Thankfully it is still under warranty so the computer will be in for repairs indefinitely.  I assume it will not be longer than one week but I do not have a computer capable of working on this song at my house at the moment.  I will let you know when I get my workstation computer back, but for now this song is on *hold*.

Sorry everyone, I hope I get the computer back soon.  I still have a computer with internet but it's not capable of working on the song.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on August 03, 2007, 07:01:22 PM
awwwww...that's too bad Action.  Didn't you have a spare network card?  I always keep one of those handy.  If you had one, you could have used it temporarily.  That's what happened on my mom's new computer when she first bought it.  I installed a temporary one until it could be fixed by the company.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on August 03, 2007, 08:57:38 PM
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Didn't you have a spare network card?
Problem:
I'm running Windows XP 64-bit edition.  None of my spare network cards have 64-bit drivers and refuse to work in Windows 64.  I NEED my onboard network card to work.  If I was running normal 32-bit Windows, it would be fine.  Trust me, I tried that with no luck. :(
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on August 03, 2007, 09:56:29 PM
Quote from: action9000,Aug 3 2007 on  07:57 PM
Problem:
I'm running Windows XP 64-bit edition.
I've never went anything near "x64" editions of Windows. It's kind of scary -- I fear that all of my programs and games will not work. Is there any real advantage to 64-bit Windows XP or Vista over their 32-bit cousins?
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on August 03, 2007, 10:04:13 PM
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Is there any real advantage to 64-bit Windows XP
For most people there isn't much of an advantage.  64-bit Windows XP has proven to be a life saver for me because of the larger amount of RAM it will address.

32-bit operating systems will only address up to 4 GB of memory (physical RAM or virtual memory).  This includes the Windows kernel (core).  Any application in Windows 32-bit can only use up to 2 GB (3 GB with a special switch enabled in boot.ini) and the other 2GB / 1GB is reserved for the Windows kernel.  This means that any one application can ONLY access up to a maximum of 2 GB of memory address space (3GB with the switch, which can affect stability in some applications).  Once you reach this limit, you instantly start getting "out of memory" errors, regardless of how much RAM you have installed.  Windows won't see it.

In 64-bit, this 4GB total cap is increased to 128GB (in reality.  The theoretical number is much MUCH higher than 128 GB.  I think it's somewhere in the EB range :p).  Using the standard 2GB for the operating system, that leaves 126GB of virtual and physical memory address space for applications.  For my audio work, I can Very Easily fill 3 GB of memory so this is a tremendous advantage for me.  To put it in perspective how fast I can fill up RAM, this "Things Change" project takes up almost 2 GB of RAM when it's loaded...it's only about 33% complete and it's a relatively light project.  I  have 4 GB of RAM installed in my 64-bit computer and am considering upgrading to 8 GB in a couple of months when I get more money.  

Basically, if you find yourself running out of memory, 64-bit will solve all of your problems.  Otherwise, there isn't a huge advantage.  For me it's a life saver.  For 99% of people, it's not worth the hassle of trying to find drivers that don't exist :p

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I fear that all of my programs and games will not work.
I've never had a problem with programs or games not working.  The problems are trying to find 64-bit drivers.  Once you find the drivers, all of the applications will work fine.  Some devices and companies simply don't have 64-bit drivers for their hardware yet.  That's the big problem right now.  I was able to find 64-bit drivers for nearly all of my devices though, including:

ATi X1950 Pro video card
Sound Blaster X-Fi sound card
built-in network card

I was Not able to find 64-bit drivers for:
my older network cards
my typing keyboard (my media buttons don't work in x64 :( )
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on August 03, 2007, 10:30:08 PM
EB? I don't know how much that is, but if it's higher than a terabyte....

There's an older desktop computer that's always running out of memory, and it's slow like you wouldn't believe. It takes *5 minutes for Windows to completely load, another 3 for it to shut down, around half a minute to access some unviewed folders, and it's always complaining about memory. It runs on Windows XP 32-bit with a Celeron processor or whatever. The laptop I'm on is also 32-bit XP, but it has a Pentium M processor. It's 10 times as fast, and it's hardly ever complained to me about memory, RAM, or anything. It might have done it once or twice, but I can never get it to repeat it (but thy would I want it to? :p).

I don't think 64-bit Windows will do me any service.

*I'm winging it with these numbers. I didn't have a stop-watch, you know. :p
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on August 03, 2007, 10:38:58 PM
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EB? I don't know how much that is, but if it's higher than a terabyte....
EB = Exabyte = 1000TB :P:

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There's an older desktop computer that's always running out of memory, and it's slow like you wouldn't believe. It takes *5 minutes for Windows to completely load, another 3 for it to shut down, around half a minute to access some unviewed folders, and it's always complaining about memory.
This computer is probably just showing its age and probably doesn't have sufficient physical RAM installed.  You can install physical RAM chips up to 4 GB and see performance gains (depending on your applications).  In Windows, if you install 1.5 GB of RAM or more (my personal recommendation to prevent bad things from happening), you can completely disable virtual memory.  Virtual memory is a feature that treats your hard drive as RAM.  It's much, MUCH slower than physical RAM.  If you can disable virtual memory, you can speed things up quite a bit.

Also, if this computer is bogged down with applications, drivers, and startup stuff (like my current old computer! :p) it will slow down big-time no matter how much RAM is in it.  The only good fix for this: format the hard drive and start again. :lol

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The laptop I'm on is also 32-bit XP, but it has a Pentium M processor. It's 10 times as fast, and it's hardly ever complained to me about memory, RAM, or anything. It might have done it once or twice, but I can never get it to repeat it (but thy would I want it to? ).
:p
I recommend 1GB of RAM for everyone, just to keep Windows running nice and smooth.  As long as you aren't using super high-performance applications and your computer isn't loaded with extra programs that are always running, you should get great memory/Windows performance with at least 1GB.  

Don't concen yourself with Windows 64 until you have 3-4 GB of RAM installed and you are still getting out-of-memory issues.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on August 03, 2007, 10:49:53 PM
My Computer is reporting 504 MB of RAM on the fast laptop I'm typing this on. I guess I don't do a lot of stuff that uses a lot of RAM, because it runs smooth and great. However, I bet 504 MB of RAM would probably choke your computer and all of your sound projects. :lol I don't see one good reason to upgrade at the moment. I probably need to do some checking with that older computer, though. It's loathsome, I tells ya!

I also forgot to mention that it has an annoying deal where it will restart randomly if you're using certain programs. This is an excruciating pain in the neck, as, like I said, Windows is molasses slow loading. Before it resets, the fan will be blowing hard, and it will start to sound like a Corvette at 100 MPH. My family and I are speculating that the internals have collected a lot of dirt (it's an older computer).
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on August 03, 2007, 11:04:16 PM
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My Computer is reporting 504 MB of RAM on the fast laptop I'm typing this on. I guess I don't do a lot of stuff that uses a lot of RAM, because it runs smooth and great. I don't see one good reason to upgrade at the moment.
Good to hear! :yes
I just know that my Windows uses about 300 MB of RAM with nothign else running.  With 504 MB of RAM installed, that leaves 204 MB of RAM.  This will slow down loading of large applications such as modern games.  If you're happy with how it's going, all the computer theory in the world won't matter.  If it's running nicely, that's what computers are all about! :D

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I bet 504 MB of RAM would probably choke your computer and all of your sound projects.
My software would barely even Load, let alone do anything :p.

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I also forgot to mention that it has an annoying deal where it will restart randomly if you're using certain programs.
I've had this happen before, many years ago on one of my computers.  Every time I treid to run Diablo II (the game), it just randomly rebooted every 5 or 10 minutes!  To this day, I don't know the exact cause.  I'd say a combination of a hardware problem and a software problem.  If you feel ambitious, taking care of the dust in the machine can't hurt.  if you feel *really* ambitious, give that computer's hard drive a format and reinstall.  It sounds like it's in need of some spring cleaning. ;)

And this is called going horribly off-topic! LOL!
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on August 03, 2007, 11:38:10 PM
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To this day, I don't know the exact cause. I'd say a combination of a hardware problem and a software problem


To contribute to this little off topic topic, let me tell you that it is a ram problem.  There is definently something wrong with the ram.  If you add new ram and throw away the other stuff, it'll work like a charm.  Also, this can happen if there is no 80 conductor cable installed, but unless you ripped it apart and downgraded the hd cable, I doubt that's the problem...

EDIT:  when you're installing an application, do you ever get messages saying you're missing dll's?
It could also be a overheating processor, but I sincerly doubt that except in Action's case.  It was probably the processor.

Make sure you used lots of "the goop".  I don't know what it's called actually.  I don't upgrade processors often.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on August 03, 2007, 11:43:14 PM
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EDIT: when you're installing an application, do you ever get messages saying you're missing dll's?
If you're talking to me, no I don't.

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It could also be a overheating processor, but I sincerly doubt that except in Action's case. It was probably the processor.

I thought of that at the time.  According to my BIOS temperature readings, it was above normal but nothing that should cause a crash (55-57 C or so).  I had my CPU going much hotter than that running other apps and it was more stable.  It was just that one app (Diablo II) that crashed.

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Make sure you used lots of "the goop". I don't know what it's called actually. I don't upgrade processors often.
Thermal Compound. :p
I use what seems to be enough.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on August 03, 2007, 11:44:35 PM
nope.  I was talking to...Manny Cav?  I always forget their name!  anyways, you'd only get those kinda messages when it's really bad off.  Like if 30% or more of your ram has been damaged.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on August 03, 2007, 11:47:21 PM
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I thought of that at the time. According to my BIOS temperature readings, it was above normal but nothing that should cause a crash (55-57 C or so).

How often do you recalibrate it?  It does get to be innacurate by up to 30 degrees sometimes!
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on August 03, 2007, 11:49:01 PM
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How often do you recalibrate it? It does get to be innacurate by up to 30 degrees sometimes!
Do they go out of calibration that bad? :blink:
I've actually never calibrated a temperature sensor on a PC.  I don't know the procedure.  I should though, I was a major in instrumentation in college, which is all about instrument and sensor calibration :p
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on August 03, 2007, 11:50:30 PM
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I had my CPU going much hotter than that running other apps and it was more stable. It was just that one app (Diablo II) that crashed.

I won't pretend I ever played a game before, but it could crash with enough going through your video card.  You should set it so when it crashes, it stops everything and shows ya the blue screen.  the blue screen is your friend!  Just write down the long freaking number at the bottom of the screen and look it up at microsoft.com.  It'll tell ya what the part is, weather it's a video card, sound card, or a processor, it'll tell ya.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on August 03, 2007, 11:54:50 PM
Make sure your settings are like this so you'll get the blue screen to come up when it crashes:


(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa146/tlordame/recovery.jpg)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on August 03, 2007, 11:56:42 PM
I made the changes.  Thanks for the info. B)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on August 03, 2007, 11:58:48 PM
Quote from: landbeforetimelover,Aug 3 2007 on  10:38 PM
EDIT:  when you're installing an application, do you ever get messages saying you're missing dll's?
It could also be a overheating processor, but I sincerly doubt that except in Action's case.  It was probably the processor.
The answer is no (on neither computer). However, I try to avoid even touching that computer if at all possible. I would reformat it, but I would like to milk the Norton Antivirus subscription for all it's worth. Another issue I've got is I don't want it to download a gigabyte of updates on this dial-up connection.  :wow

I also took a look at my "commit charge" in the task manager (this is on the newer and faster laptop). As I type this, it's showing a charge of around 600M out of 1226M. What exactly does this mean?

I still think the older computer is over heating.

EDIT: I'VE GOTTA HAVE THAT BACKGROUND, LBTLOVER!!! You see, I've been 'collecting' the LBT backgrounds you've been posting, including those on your site and off of it. I even downloaded that 5 MB .gif animation and used it as my background. :lol
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on August 04, 2007, 12:00:19 AM
do the blue screen thing.  Write down the technical information at the bottom:


(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa146/tlordame/bluescreen.gif)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on August 04, 2007, 12:04:16 AM
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I also took a look at my "commit charge" in the task manager (this is on the newer and faster laptop). As I type this, it's showing a charge of around 600M out of 1226M. What exactly does this mean?


the commit charge is the maximum potential pagefile usage.  Nothing to worry about.

EDIT:  Mine is 722mb out of 2.5gb.  I'm on my really old computer right now. :lol:
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: duckytears on August 05, 2007, 08:30:05 PM
is it to late to enter?!?!?!?!?!?

please please please I love this song!!!

*pokes file* says its expired...*sniff*
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on August 05, 2007, 09:11:32 PM
Quote from: duckytears,Aug 5 2007 on  07:30 PM
*pokes file* says its expired...*sniff*
You mean the sample action9000 posted? I downloaded it before it expired. It was just a 10/20 second sample. There really wasn't anything to it.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: duckytears on August 05, 2007, 09:14:51 PM
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...A91207A65802930 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...A91207A65802930)

female singers will be an octave above the previous clip, hitting the same note as the original song, like this:
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...704DA5174D45CCC (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...704DA5174D45CCC)

That part..I may have read wrong but is that suppose to be things change?

is there a place to download kareoke files of songs?

Im trying to figure out the singing thing here still. But even if there were past songs done. It would be to late to enter, but it would be more to just sing them kinda deal

Also looking for lyrics for lbt songs if they are here?
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on August 05, 2007, 09:34:26 PM
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is it to late to enter?!?!?!?!?!?

please please please I love this song!!!
Nope Nope Nope, it is not too late! :D

Glad to have you on board!  About those files, I'll post them back up for you if you want.  They aren't mandatory parts of this project, I was just demonstrating to those people who thought this sound would be overly difficult for us to sing, that the chorus really isn't as difficult as it may sound.  

Female vocal range for the chorus (http://www.driveway.com/ncpdz07053)

Male vocal range for chorus (http://www.driveway.com/pjqdy68928)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: duckytears on August 05, 2007, 09:36:49 PM
Ah sweet. I think I will be able to manage Cera...dunno but im defiantly up to the challenge!

How or where I guess, do we get keroke versions and lyrics to the songs? I mean most people know the songs, but still when singing kareoke its nice to have the song lyrics there just for a safety net ya know.

So excited ^_^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on August 05, 2007, 09:39:13 PM
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How or where I guess, do we get keroke versions and lyrics to the songs? I mean most people know the songs, but still when singing kareoke its nice to have the song lyrics there just for a safety net ya know.
Pokeplayer was nice enough to type them up for us for  this song!

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Song: Things Change
Lyrics:

Cera: Just when your life is perfect
Everything's looking bright
You're with your friends 'till daylight ends
And safe in your nest at night

Then you get this funny feeling
That something is just not right
And all at once things change
All at once things change

I used to be important
Until that egg was there
Although I know dad loves me
Seems like he forgot to care

I thought we were a family
But it's really so unfair
When all at once things change

Littlefoot: Familes grow
Grown ups you know,
Turn into someone new

Ducky: You try to keep things like they are

Ducky and Littlefoot: But you wind up changing too

Ducky: Maybe a baby threehorn will not be so bad at all

Littlefoot: You can teach her to talk

Ducky: To roll a rock.

Littlefoot: And catch her if she starts to fall

Ducky: Maybe things will be better
Then you ever thought they could

Cera: And maybe when things change

Littlefoot and Ducky: Maybe when things change

Cera: Oh maybe when things change

Littlefoot, Cera and Ducky: They will change into something good.
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Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: duckytears on August 05, 2007, 09:43:22 PM
thanks muchly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

love this song LoL!!!
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on August 05, 2007, 10:41:23 PM
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is there a place to download kareoke files of songs?
Sorry, I forgot to respond to this one earlier:
Answer: There Will be but there isn't yet.

I am currently in the process of producing the karaoke background music.  unfortunately my music workstation computer is having technical problems at the moment and is in the shop being repaired.  I should have the computer back within 5 days or so and I'll continue working on the song.  I hope to have the music completed with a couple of weeks at the most, fitting it in with "real" life and other projects. :P:
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Dash The Longneck on August 06, 2007, 09:23:55 PM
Would you mind terribly if I joined up too? I'm looking forward to singing this song with you guys. If I'm not banned from this because of how bad I sounded in the last song. ;)  :lol:
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on August 06, 2007, 09:35:54 PM
Sure thing, welcome aboard! :D
Gee, seems like we have just as large of a singing group for this song as the last one. These songs are sure drawing a lot of attention lately! :wow
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Dash The Longneck on August 06, 2007, 09:40:24 PM
Quote from: action9000,Aug 6 2007 on  08:35 PM
Sure thing, welcome aboard! :D
Gee, seems like we have just as large of a singing group for this song as the last one. These songs are sure drawing a lot of attention lately! :wow
Yeah, but I see that as a good thing. I mean think about it if less and less people joined you wouldn't really want to do the singing projects anymore but since they attract more interest/people singing that's a great thing that people are interested in the singing projects. That is actually on the long list of reasons I keep coming back here. I only sung one song and I'm hooked. :)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on August 06, 2007, 09:42:25 PM
Seeing that you probably have someone who can take on the "challenging" part (which isn't so) I'll drop out.  Like I said before, we've done all the ones I'm interested in so I'm not bothered by this.  Sometimes too many participants can be a bad thing too.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on August 06, 2007, 10:15:14 PM
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Seeing that you probably have someone who can take on the "challenging" part (which isn't so) I'll drop out.
Sounds good, Petrie.  Thanks for your offered assistance. B)

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Sometimes too many participants can be a bad thing too.
If we get many more I may need to start holding auditions LOL! :lol
GoF Idol anyone? :p
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Dash The Longneck on August 07, 2007, 06:26:08 AM
Quote from: action9000,Aug 6 2007 on  09:15 PM
GoF Idol anyone? :p
As long as we don't have someone  like Simon Cowell on this forum who criticises our singing . That's actually a good idea. :)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Nimrod on August 07, 2007, 07:35:04 AM
Quote from: Dash The Longneck,Aug 7 2007 on  05:26 AM
Quote from: action9000,Aug 6 2007 on  09:15 PM
GoF Idol anyone? :p
As long as we don't have someone  like Simon Cowell on this forum who criticises our singing . That's actually a good idea. :)
I agree with you :D
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Saphireraptor on August 09, 2007, 02:20:57 AM
hmm does anyone have the mp3 of this song? greatly appriciated!
and whoas the female vocals are pretty high this one around lol. lets see if sapphire can hit that note  :lol
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on August 10, 2007, 12:18:19 AM
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hmm does anyone have the mp3 of this song? greatly appriciated!
Sure do!

Click this link:
http://www.4shared.com/dir/3255352/e3cc567/LBT.html (http://www.4shared.com/dir/3255352/e3cc567/LBT.html)

On the left side, click on the "Official Songs" folder.  You will see "Things Change" on the list on the right side. B)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on August 10, 2007, 06:03:48 PM
Hmm well....
There is still no word on my computer.  I have no idea when I'll be getting it back now.  They were supposed to call me on Wednesday or Thursday.  They are almost closed up for the day today (Friday) and I haven't heard a word.  I will let you all know when I get my computer back, but it's still "To Be Announced" unfortunately. <_<
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on August 13, 2007, 11:16:11 PM
If you still haven't gotten a word back on your computer, I'd call them/visit the office/whatever. This is not right. You should have heard something by now.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on August 14, 2007, 12:13:58 AM
Well here's some good news; I finally got my computer back today (monday).  Everything worked out nicely (minus it taking longer than expected).  It was all still under warranty so there was no charge and everything seems fully functional again. :D

The song project is back on; I will keep you posted on the status of the song. B)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on August 14, 2007, 12:38:13 AM
Ah, good to hear. I'm looking forward to this! B)

EDIT: Oh, by the way, seeing as it's almost (or, for some of you, already is) August 14th, could you change the estimated completion date for the background music from August 4 to something a little more realistic? Just a heads-up. :^.^:
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on August 14, 2007, 12:53:00 AM
Good spotting; I'm on it. B)
EDIT: Fixed.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Nimrod on August 14, 2007, 04:12:04 AM
Quote from: action9000,Aug 13 2007 on  11:53 PM
Good spotting; I'm on it. B)
EDIT: Fixed.
I am happy for you, that you have your computer back now action :yes
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on August 19, 2007, 12:28:57 AM
Slow?  Me? :p

Yeah, I'm slow.
I'm sorry for the wait, everyone.  In theory I could have had it done by now; I've just been so exhausted lately.  I've been *trying* to sleep at every opportunity but just haven't been able to.  I don't know how well you folks are able to work on extracurricular projects when you're really tired but I know I sure can't!

I'm seriously thinking of quitting my night shift job and finding something with better hours.  My body just can't handle this and I think I'm getting insomnia from the weird schedule...

Anyways, that's the best excuse I have.  I probably could have fought through and got this done on time, but I didn't.  I apologize for this.  I will actually probably quit my job after my shift tonight and focus on finding a "real" job full-time.  Nothing about life is pleasant when you're always tired.  The few bucks I made doing this isn't worth it anymore.

I know it isn't the best excuse in the world.  Since I will probably be quitting tonight I will hopefully be able to finish this song up in the near future.  I won't give a date because it will depend on too many factors.

Please bear with me everyone, I will have the music ready as soon as possible.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on August 19, 2007, 12:34:51 AM
It's taken almost a month to gain 30%. At this rate, we'll be done late October/early November. Well, so much for a August 17th background music completion date. -_-
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on August 19, 2007, 12:37:32 AM
I'm just fine with the long delay.  I wanna sing in my new house anyways and I'm not quite done moving yet.  I should be done in 2 weeks though. :)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on August 19, 2007, 12:44:04 AM
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It's taken almost a month to gain 30%.
Yes, and two weeks of this I didn't have access to my computer nor my proejct file.

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At this rate, we'll be done late October/early November. Well, so much for a August 17th background music completion date. -_-
Grumbling, are we?
"Ideally.  Subject to change."

I understand your point.  Allow me to just point out a few things.

1) This is an unpaid project which trains me very little for "real" audio projects because everything is so makeshift and relatively unstructured.  I also have music projects in the works that are for contests, soundtracks and whatnot (most of which don't have deadlines (one has a deadline in 3 months) but I see them as more valueable experience for me).  

2)I am doing this 100% for fun.  If it does not feel like fun to work on (do you want to work on anything when you're overly stressed or tired?), why would I add *more* stress to my life to work on it?  

3) I understand people are waiting but I don't think it will kill anyone to not be able to record themselves sitting at their computer singing "Things Change" for awhile longer, whereas it would put considerable physical and mental pressure on me to reduce the wait times.  I like to be generous but there are limits :p

I do have the option of cancelling this project completely.  As stated above, this project isn't exactly a career-making move.  Don't tempt me to ruin everyone's fun, please.  It will be done when it's done.  I'm quitting my job soon so I'll have more free time (for awhile anyway).
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on August 19, 2007, 12:52:35 AM
Hey, no rush, man. I'm just saying the completion date might not be such a good idea if it's so erratic. It might give "false impressions", you know.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on August 19, 2007, 03:02:16 AM
Oh Action, please don't cancel the project!  You're so good at what you do!  I really do understand how hard it is to do and I also know how stressful life is for someone who's a daytime person being forced to work nights.  Not to mention that you arn't getting paid.  You should be, but I'm sure no one here has those kina funds to pay for such a difficult and professional project (I do, but my mom would never let me fork out the money).

In short, we're all lucky that he's willing to do it at all.  He can take his pleasant old time.  It gives us all more time to practice anyways.  I can't do it, so I'm not gonna complain about it so long as it does get done eventually.  Speed is not paramount.  It's not like one of the participants is on their death bed and they wanna sing this song with GOF before the die or something.  Find something else to do with your life while you're waiting.  There are plenty of other things to do than sing.  I'm sure we can all wait for several months if necessary. :)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on August 19, 2007, 07:42:34 AM
Manny I was almost ready to slap you after I read that....Tim beat me to the punch, quite literally.  -_-  Most don't realize what he has to go through to do this stuff.  While I don't have a hand in the actual production, I do give him help in refining these projects and believe me, that takes time too.  Yeah I could've done other stuff, but I decided to help him because it was fun to participate in these things and its a strong community bond to keep them going.

Tim I'm just going to say what I always say to you when helping you, you've done wonders for us and if other priorities come first, then you need to focus your time there.  You know what I went through here with my tough times (and it probably will get harder before long).  What is, is what must be.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on August 19, 2007, 08:50:43 AM
Quote from: Petrie,Aug 19 2007 on  06:42 AM
Manny I was almost ready to slap you after I read that....Tim beat me to the punch, quite literally.  -_-  Most don't realize what he has to go through to do this stuff.  While I don't have a hand in the actual production, I do give him help in refining these projects and believe me, that takes time too.  Yeah I could've done other stuff, but I decided to help him because it was fun to participate in these things and its a strong community bond to keep them going.

Tim I'm just going to say what I always say to you when helping you, you've done wonders for us and if other priorities come first, then you need to focus your time there.  You know what I went through here with my tough times (and it probably will get harder before long).  What is, is what must be.
I fail to see what the problem is. Could you be more specific? Because I wasn't rushing him or anything like that. I just don't think that there should be a projected completion date because it's too much trobule. It actually looks like action9000 got rid of it, anyway. What did I do wrong? :huh:
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on August 19, 2007, 09:48:25 AM
First of all, let me say I agree with you, Manny Cav. B)

I set the deadline date partly for you and partly for me.  I am trying to get faster with producing projects like these so I set tight deadlines to help me improve my skills as well.  The problem is life and circumstance (lack of sleep, other personal things that came up as well) took over my schedule and made reaching a tight deadline all but impossible.  Like I said before, in theory I should have been able to have it done but I just never ended up with the free work time I expected to have.

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What did I do wrong?
I suppose your first response sounded like you were complaining that I wasn't working as fast as you wanted, which is why Petrie and I got a bit upset.  I understand what you mean now, however.  I have no plans to kill this project and hopefully I'll have it complete in the near future.  I won't post a date until the song is nearly complete.  (Petrie, if you're still willing to critique for me, a second set of ears is always nice! :D If not I'm sure I can con LF1616 into it so no worries. :p )
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on August 19, 2007, 10:00:20 AM
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I suppose your first response sounded like you were complaining that I wasn't working as fast as you wanted, which is why Petrie and I got a bit upset.

That was exactly it.  "Now it'll be like until October or November..." surely sounds like a complaint/whining to me.

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Petrie, if you're still willing to critique for me, a second set of ears is always nice!

Send me the files.  B)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on August 19, 2007, 10:56:58 AM
It isn't a complaint. I was just calculating a more realistic completion date based on the amount of time it has taken to get this amount of progress done. I believe Shigeru Miyamoto once said, "A delayed game is eventually good. A bad game is bad forever". The same applies here.  I wouldn't dare criticize how long it's taking him to get as far as he has. If it takes until August 2008 to complete this thang and get a good quality product in the end, then I'm all for it. I was also saying that his "projected completion date" was causing more trouble than it was worth (look at what it's done, now).

Apparently, I at least got my point across to action9000, and he completely understood it. I might have sounded a bit harsh, but I certainly didn't mean it that way.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on August 19, 2007, 09:45:11 PM
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I was also saying that his "projected completion date" was causing more trouble than it was worth (look at what it's done, now).
I agree, the "completion date" probably wasn't the best idea on such a casual project.  Oh well, nobody's perfect right? B)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on August 31, 2007, 02:01:40 AM
Hi, this is sort of a "topic bump" to let everyone know that the project is NOT dead. ;)

Again, I won't give completion dates until I know them for sure, but I should have a Lot of time this weekend to work on the song.  I'm actually working on it as we speak.

I honestly think whoever wrote the music for Things Change was Trying to make my life difficult! :p  I don't know what it is about this song but it's really making me work for decent results!
Maybe I'm just getting rusty...3 years with no formal music classes and I'm starting to slip! :P:
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Achillobator on August 31, 2007, 02:27:24 AM
Sounds like great fun......but I think I will avoid recording myself singing. We want it to sound GOOD! :p I have a horrible vocal range...
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on August 31, 2007, 07:15:47 AM
I'll still make time to help you out with the mixing, so just send some files when they're done.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on August 31, 2007, 10:21:11 PM
action9000, how exactly do you make the non-vocal version of these songs, anyway? Do you have to spend tedious hours listening to the songs to digitally reproduce the audio as realistically as possible? Do you have a program or something that allows you to tell it to "do this, do that" where it starts to make audio?
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on September 01, 2007, 05:18:12 AM
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action9000, how exactly do you make the non-vocal version of these songs, anyway?
I do it the old-fashioned way, my friend. ;)

Using FL Studio and a couple of powerful virtual instruments, I manually attempt to reproduce every note and instrument present in the original song.  I do this by listening to the original song and mentally separating the parts (instruments) using my ear alone.  No software in existance can do this so I am forced to do all of the "grunt work" myself.  I use the following two virtual instruments to generate the sound:
For Orchestra sounds, Symphonic Orchestra Gold, Pro edition (http://www.soundsonline.com/EWQLSO-Gold-Bundle-pr-EW-160PROB1.html) (37 GB)
For other sounds (drum kits, pianos, guitars, etc.), Colossus (http://www.soundsonline.com/Quantum-Leap-Colossus-pr-EW-164.html) (32 GB)

I need to literally figure out every instrument that is playing, how fast the song is playing, every Note that every instrument plays.  In short, I listen to the song, try to pick out every sound I hear, and reproduce it as accurately as I can by entering MIDI events (note on, note off, and a huge variety of controllers for additional control and realism) into FL Studio.  The MIDI events trigger the virtual instruments to play the .wav files stored within them (a full orchestra at my fingertips...this is why I have a 64-bit operating system :p).  A combination of MIDI events and live recordings of single notes can generate a piece of music, which I figured out the notes for entirely by ear, listening to the original song...and that's only half of it!  

 I also need to blend the sounds in my version of the song so it all sounds good.  This means using a variety of articulations (playing styles) which come with my virtual instrument software.  For example, a violin can be played hundreds of different ways.  In order to reproduce the sound of a live, realistic performance, one cannot rely on a series of notes played the same way.  There must be variation, however relatively subtle, to minimize the electronic sound and produce something that sounds nice and beautiful.  All this takes a lot of time and effort to smooth out the "seams" between playing styles and notes to create a connected piece of music from pre-recorded single notes (from my virtual instrument).

In short, it's a painstaking process :p  I literally re-compose the song while trying to make my version sound as close to the original as I can get it.  The only fancy things about the process are the painfully expensive virtual instruments.  Everything else is grunt work and a lot of ear training. B)  Half of it is figuring out the notes and instruments.  The other half is putting it all together and programing the MIDI events so it sounds good. :lol:

MIDI has sure come a long way since the cheesy .mid files you find all over the internet! ;)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on September 01, 2007, 10:19:06 AM
That's pretty much what I thought it would be. ;)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Duckie on September 10, 2007, 12:45:58 AM
I'm probably a little late on this, but are you still accepting vocalists?
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on September 10, 2007, 12:47:40 AM
I'm pretty sure action9000 is still accepting vocalists at this time, uh, Duckie, is it? ;)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on September 10, 2007, 01:03:47 AM
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I'm probably a little late on this, but are you still accepting vocalists?
Sure, I'll accept vocalists for this song until the posted cutoff date (there isn't even a date posted yet so it's still along way off) :)

Welcome aboard!  I will try to have the music up soon.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Saftycera on September 16, 2007, 07:15:44 AM
Ooh I'd love to be involved too :D It sounds good. I'm just a little confused about how it works since obviously there are three vocalists in the dsong originally how do we go about doing something like this?

Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on September 16, 2007, 08:31:15 AM
Quote from: Saftycera,Sep 16 2007 on  06:15 AM
Ooh I'd love to be involved too :D It sounds good. I'm just a little confused about how it works since obviously there are three vocalists in the dsong originally how do we go about doing something like this?
What you'll have to do is sing the entire song and Tim and I will work out where people go or where they fit well in the song.  Tim will post up the audio file you sing to...don't sing to the original song because the pitch and time are not equal to what we do.

You'll need a microphone, and a program that can record your voice.  Save the file as a 16-bit .wav (it'll be large) or 192kbps (or higher) mp3 file.  That's about it.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Saftycera on September 16, 2007, 02:52:18 PM
...Groovy :D I'll have to record it was a WAV first though because for some reason my version of Goldwave won't let me convert.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Teresa on September 16, 2007, 05:07:58 PM
so let me make sure i've got this right. You send whoever is interested the music and we just sing the song right ? The only way i can record my singing is using my mum's camera with the voice recorded on. That would be ok wouldn't it ?  :unsure:
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on September 16, 2007, 05:43:09 PM
Yeah, but I think that your recording also has to be voice only -- no music playing. Basically, you listen to the music as you are recording your voice, which basically necessitates headphones.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on September 16, 2007, 05:46:38 PM
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Basically, you listen to the music as you are recording your voice, which basically necessitates headphones.
Yes, this is strongly preferred.  You don't *need* headphones but please keep the music as quiet as possible in the recording.  I prefer there not to be any music in your voice recording but I can work around a tiny bit.  The louder the music is in your voice recording, the more problems I'll have with fitting it into our project (sound waves going out of phase and other nasty things  ;)  )
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on September 16, 2007, 09:16:18 PM
Quote from: Teresa,Sep 16 2007 on  04:07 PM
so let me make sure i've got this right. You send whoever is interested the music and we just sing the song right ? The only way i can record my singing is using my mum's camera with the voice recorded on. That would be ok wouldn't it ?  :unsure:
Camera mics are often very low quality and downsampled.  That wouldn't be recommended.

Safty, I'll pass your recording onto Tim.  That was beatiful and you did it nicely.  The only thing is you might have to redo it if Tim's rendition has a different tempo or pitch....its still in the early stages.  I'll hold onto a copy of it regardless.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on September 16, 2007, 09:23:16 PM
I'm going to jump to a conclusion and assume that for some reason, Saftycera PMed Petrie the recording, because I never noticed it posted. Am I missing something? :blink:
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on September 16, 2007, 09:27:22 PM
It was emailed to me.

I don't want people to start jumping the gun and emailing recordings.  We do not have the instrumental version finished and until it is, there's a chance you'd all have to redo all the recordings again due to pitch or tempo changes.  Anyone who has participated in past projects know that the songs do not align and they're not meant to.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on September 17, 2007, 12:44:48 AM
Technically I *could* make my music align perfectly with the original but that's more math than I'm willing to take on :p

Thanks Petrie.  I have the (very impressive! :yes ) recording but it will probably be of little use unless my version happens to be Exactly the right tempo.  Pitch will be fine; I make a conscious effort to keep my version in the same key as the original.  If my calculated tempo is off by any more than a couple hundredths of a BPM of the original though, it won't work...odds are, I'm not *perfect* on the BPM.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Teresa on September 17, 2007, 07:33:11 AM
Quote from: Petrie,Sep 16 2007 on  08:16 PM
Quote from: Teresa,Sep 16 2007 on  04:07 PM
so let me make sure i've got this right. You send whoever is interested the music and we just sing the song right ? The only way i can record my singing is using my mum's camera with the voice recorded on. That would be ok wouldn't it ? :unsure:
Camera mics are often very low quality and downsampled.  That wouldn't be recommended.
Well that's me out. well it don't matter cos my singing is awful anyway.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on September 17, 2007, 09:23:29 AM
Right now, the only thing I have to record real-world audio onto a PC is a microphone attached to the top of my laptop. Will that work alright?
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on September 17, 2007, 01:53:54 PM
I"m willing to use recordings from any kind of microphone.  Just remember that the sound quality of the final song will be highly dependant on the quality of the recordings I am sent.  If you want to participate, I no have intention of stopping anyone just because they don't have a super-expensive microphone. B)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Dash The Longneck on September 21, 2007, 02:04:54 PM
Quote from: action9000,Sep 17 2007 on  12:53 PM
I"m willing to use recordings from any kind of microphone.  Just remember that the sound quality of the final song will be highly dependant on the quality of the recordings I am sent.  If you want to participate, I no have intention of stopping anyone just because they don't have a super-expensive microphone. B)

And I am so thankful for that because I bought my mic for 5.00 off Amazon.  :lol: What can I say I'm a cheapskate? ;)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Nimrod on September 21, 2007, 08:09:24 PM
I bought me only for this project a headset over 40 dollar :^.^:
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on September 21, 2007, 08:12:44 PM
Quote from: Nimrod,Sep 21 2007 on  07:09 PM
I bought me only for this project a headset over 40 dollar :^.^:
Whoa, mama!
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Nimrod on September 21, 2007, 08:16:38 PM
Quote from: Manny Cav,Sep 21 2007 on  07:12 PM
Whoa, mama!
 :DD  :lol
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on October 08, 2007, 06:57:13 PM
Attn project members:

I will have an mp3 for everyone to sing to posted up here either tomorrow or the next day (depending what happens tonight).

I just have one little request of every singer: Could you send your recordings to Adam (Petrie) at
araychel@gmail.com

Thanks to everyone for your patience. :)
I will be sure to have the final version of the song available much more quickly if at all possible.

I am not setting a deadline for recordings yet; I'll see how the progress on that goes.  

I'll post back within a day or two with the mp3. B)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on October 08, 2007, 07:19:07 PM
Just a note for those sending me recordings, send me multiple takes because I will be analyzing the tracks and I will choose whichever one works the best with the file Tim has given me, and then give that to him for the final mix.  This is to help take the some of the load of the project off of Tim while he's applying for new jobs.

Also, anyone who has previously sent me tracks will have to redo their recordings to match the file Tim will put up in a couple of days.  I did say there was a chance they wouldn't match up, and now I'm telling you they definitely won't.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Nimrod on October 09, 2007, 03:59:35 AM
That means you want us, that we are recording our voice to the song different times and send these recordings to you?
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on October 09, 2007, 07:55:06 AM
Yep, that's about it. :)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on October 09, 2007, 09:08:36 AM
Mu-multiple takes? I'm going to have a time uploading files....
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Nimrod on October 09, 2007, 01:29:38 PM
okey, than it¥s okey
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on October 09, 2007, 03:19:17 PM
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Mu-multiple takes? I'm going to have a time uploading files....
You can always compress to 192 kbps mp3.  This will reduce the filesize by a Huge margin from .wav.  I'm perfectly fine with working with mp3 recordings, so long as they're 192kbps, 44.1 kHz or higher quality. B)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on October 09, 2007, 06:04:39 PM
I send Action WAV's, but that's cuz I don't really care.  I can upload a 10mb wav in less than 30 seconds, but for someone on dialup, uploading 10mb would be a killer. :( Mp3 is a lot smaller though.  I'm sure you'll manage.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on October 09, 2007, 06:29:11 PM
How many takes should I record? And what about the whole overlapping harmony issue?
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on October 09, 2007, 08:09:34 PM
At least two would be good (three is better).  This should help with the harmony issue if one take happens to have a better blend than another one did.  I will take either mp3 or wav files.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on October 09, 2007, 10:37:50 PM
I think I'll just stick to my original plan and send separate main and harmony recordings. I'll supply, hmm, say 3 each, for a total of 6 files.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on October 10, 2007, 12:51:36 AM
Here's my simple rule on harmony:

If you want to record the harmony parts, feel free to do so.  If you don't, you don't have to.  We'll use whatever Petrie and I end up with. B)
If nobody else sings harmony, I'll be sure to so we have something in our song.

Song will be posted up sometime within the next 24 hours. :yes
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on October 10, 2007, 04:45:46 PM
Here it is, after a looong wait:

This is only a rough release.  I don't have the music 100% complete but this mp3 is full length and complete enough that it's very recognizeable as the original song.  I haven't put in a couple of layers in a few places and I there are a few volume controllers I haven't programmed in yet, but other than that it's complete.  While it is technically a rough release, it's perfectly functional as a full release.

This mp3 has a piano playing the melody on top of the background music, to help the singers keep time with the song.  If you would prefer an mp3 without the instrumental melody, let me know and I'll post one up for you. :)

Things Change, instrumental background music with piano melody:
http://www.driveway.com/nknde61975 (http://www.driveway.com/nknde61975)

Happy singing everyone!
No deadline on the recordings yet; I will let everyone know well ahead of time if there will be a deadline.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on October 10, 2007, 06:19:35 PM
Remember all vocal recordings get emailed to me, NOT Tim.  Do not post links in here to files, hoping I see them.

araychel AT gmail.com
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on October 12, 2007, 01:50:38 AM
I would just like to confirm that I have everybody on this list who is interested in singing:

Action9000 ( :P: )
Dash the Longneck
duckytears
Flathead
landbeforetimelover
littlefoot
littlefoot1616
Malte
Manny Cav
Nimrod
Pokeplayer
Ryuuzaki
Saftycera
SaphireRaptor
Stitch

Please check that your name is on the above list.  If it isn't and you want to be a part of it, let me know. B)  Also, if you have decided not to sing with us, let me know as well and I'll take your name off.

So far we have unofficially reached a new participation record of 15 people (the previous record being 12 people for Bestest Friends) if everyone on the above list sends in a recording to Adam. :D  Good thing I just got a new computer in July...my old one could never handle this many audio tracks with full effects (multiband compressors eat up boatloads of CPU in real-time...15 of those things would kill my old compy!) :P:
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: pokeplayer984 on October 12, 2007, 09:08:35 AM
I was starting to wonder if you would EVER get it done, Action. :)

This one is definately a tear-jerker.  Such songs can be difficult to sing in time with the music.  These types of songs can especially effect those who are emotionial.  Just a warning for those who decide to try it out.  For this one, it WILL be important to have the nessacary amount of will to control your feelings.

I'll try to have this done ASAP.  You have unfortunately finished it at a rather busy time with my hobbies in my life.  For one, I promised a good number of my friends that I'd have a certian fanfic (NOT a LBT one, but something else.) done by Sunday, and I've got quite a good amount left to do.  It would be rather difficult for me to take the time to try and perfect it like I always do to the best of my ability, so not until after Sunday can I take such a nessacary amount of time to do so.  With a job and all, I probably won't get the nessacary amount of time until this upcoming Wednesday or Thursday.  So please be patient, okay? :)

So I send it to Petrie, huh?  Okay!

Well, I'll see ya later! :^.^:
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Saftycera on October 12, 2007, 11:08:47 AM
Will do my recording ASAP It's kinda hard since I'm in the middle of moving house right now and the internet is at my mother's house along with my microphone and computer <3

It is quite nice to listen to along on it's own too, I might stick it on my MP3 player~!
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Nimrod on October 12, 2007, 02:26:02 PM
Hehe, I have a short time now to sit at my grandparents PC :^.^: . Well, could you send me this background over yousendit? I cannot open files of driveway. And if it¥s possible without the piano parts. Thx :)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on October 12, 2007, 02:37:17 PM
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And if it¥s possible without the piano parts. Thx
Here is the link to the background music with no melody, as requested.
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...EF596042F28F1F2 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=0EF596042F28F1F2)
This is where you may hear the fact that the music isn't 100% complete yet.  A couple parts, mainly near the end, are missing a layer or two.  I'll have that fixed for the final release, once I get the voice recordings.

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I was starting to wonder if you would EVER get it done, Action.
So was I. :lol  :lol:

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I probably won't get the nessacary amount of time until this upcoming Wednesday or Thursday.
That's no problem at all.  If I am to set a deadline, it will be closer to December than anything else.  A week or two is just fine with me! B)

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It is quite nice to listen to along on it's own too, I might stick it on my MP3 player~!
Awww... :lol:  :wow
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Nimrod on October 12, 2007, 02:48:36 PM
Okey, thank you. But that I understand this correct. You want us now to record our voice to this background music and send it to Petrie or first to the fixed version of the background?
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on October 12, 2007, 02:50:34 PM
You may record to this song.  Send your recordings to Petrie.
Thanks. :wow
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Nimrod on October 12, 2007, 03:16:25 PM
okey, all right.  :lol:
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on October 13, 2007, 02:39:41 AM
Sounds great.  I'll get to work! B)

Definently sounds incomplete.  Glad that's not the final version.  Thanks for the final release.

EDIT:  When's the due date?  I'm kinda getting over a cold right now.  I thought my voice wouldn't be too effected, but it is.  I sound like crap. :(
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on October 13, 2007, 03:10:50 AM
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When's the due date?
There isn't one at this point.  I'll let you know if we ever need to enforce a due date.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on October 13, 2007, 06:30:10 AM
I'll guarantee you guys that my part of the project handling all the vocal recordings will not be done until Thanksgiving or later...that I can tell you.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on October 13, 2007, 10:53:42 AM
Quote from: landbeforetimelover,Oct 13 2007 on  01:39 AM
Definently sounds incomplete.  Glad that's not the final version.  Thanks for the final release.
Whu, wait, "Thank's for the final release."? I thought those two links that action9000 provided were just rough releases, one with the piano melody, and one without it.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on October 13, 2007, 10:57:01 AM
Yes, those are what you will sing to.  The final release won't be done for over another month and they'll have the rest of the orchestra parts and all the singers.

Oh and thanks Nimrod for the recording.  I do have it.  I'll do a rough mix in due time and see if I'll need anything else from you.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Nimrod on October 13, 2007, 02:39:51 PM
okey, that¥s nice. I¥ll send you some more, than you have more where you can pic out the best one. Cause, I sing it every time in  a nother way. Specifical this part of the song.

Cera: And mayby when things change.
Littlefoot ducky: Mayby when things change.
Cera:                                          Oh mayby when things change.

Cause I cannot sing Littlefoot ducky and Cera at the same time, you understand?^^ So I¥ll sing one time Littlefoot and ducky, and one time Cera. B)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on October 13, 2007, 02:53:15 PM
I think I've asked this before, but what quality/bit rate do you want the recordings in, action9000? I'll be using Sound Recorder on Windows XP to record off of my laptop's screen-mounted microphone. I think it would be better to just send the file it natural WAV format. But, what quality do you want it in? If it's full quality, what would the stats be? I want to get all of those bit rate/kilohertz numbers right, you see. :p
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Nimrod on October 13, 2007, 03:06:53 PM
I am asking that for Marcel. Could he join in the sing project at this late time too? He would be very happy if yes.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on October 13, 2007, 04:30:56 PM
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But, what quality do you want it in? If it's full quality, what would the stats be? I want to get all of those bit rate/kilohertz numbers right, you see.
.WAV files are just fine.  As for the quality:
"CD Quality", or specifically:
44100Hz (44.1kHz)
16-bit
mono (stereo is okay too but it's just making the file larger than necessary since you won't be recorded in stereo).

Remember to send the files to Petrie, not me.  Thanks a lot! B)

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Could he join in the sing project at this late time too? He would be very happy if yes.
Sure, as long as he is willing to sing in English for this project. :yes
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on October 13, 2007, 04:53:44 PM
What about the WAV "format"? Is the default "PCM" alright, or should I choose something else? I'm sorry about the zillion questions, but I just want to get this exactly right for this.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on October 13, 2007, 08:47:46 PM
No worries Manny! B)
To answer your question, Yes, PCM is fine. :yes
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: pokeplayer984 on October 24, 2007, 08:34:56 PM
Well, I finally got around to finishing my entrie and have now e-mailed it to Petrie, like requested.  Here's me hoping it was done good enough. :^.^:

Also, sorry it took so long.  I totally spaced on it. :D
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on October 24, 2007, 08:45:11 PM
I should tell you that I still have a nasty cough and I stepped on and broke my microphone. :(   I can get a replacement soon, or I can record using the terrible mic on my laptop.  I'll probably need a week to get a replacement (shipping is terrible).  Is that okay or should I record using the laptop mic?
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on October 24, 2007, 08:56:10 PM
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I'll probably need a week to get a replacement (shipping is terrible). Is that okay or should I record using the laptop mic?
We're not on a tight schedule at all.  If you want to pick up a new mic and get us recordings afterwards, that's just fine. :yes
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on October 24, 2007, 09:23:39 PM
good cuz that laptop mic really is terrible.  It sounds like somthings humming in the background along with the sound of one of those sweeper trucks. :lol
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on October 24, 2007, 10:06:41 PM
Got pokeplayer's recording.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on October 24, 2007, 10:25:19 PM
Ugh. I get the house to myself often enough, but almost all of the time that I do, I'm buried in school work. As a result, I only have one rough recording done. Y'all have to be patient with me on this one.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on October 24, 2007, 10:28:43 PM
There's a difference between getting the recording and actually doing something with it. ;)  I told you...Thanksgiving I'll have a chance to really dive into these.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on October 27, 2007, 04:56:29 AM
I've got a little problem here.  I can't sing to it very well. :( One example of something I don't understand is the notes "Unitl that egg was there" has more notes than needed, which I don't understand.  It has the notes for something like "Unitil that egg was was was there" or something like that.  I get confused and I screw up every time.  There's another instance too, but I can't remember it.  I have to concentrate to be in sync so much that I sound terrible. :( Any suggestions?  That note mentioned above has 3 identical notes that don't conform to the lyrics.  I'm so confused. :cry2

Oh, oh!  And the line "I thought we were a family" should only have 7 notes, but it has 9!  What does this mean? :huh:

Did I get some sort of pre-release or something?  I don't see how I can sing to it like this when the notes arn't even the correct ones.  I must be missing something.   :unsure:
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Dash The Longneck on October 27, 2007, 07:03:35 AM
Thanks Action I'll get to the recordings right away. I just need to find a good time to do it. Since I still live in my parents house. I don't want to be kicked out for being too loud. ;)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on October 27, 2007, 08:48:21 AM
I don't get your concern Austin.  I've already rough-mixed two members' recordings and there's no issue with extra syllables and neither had trouble with this spot.  I know it seems like there's a extra note played, but if you know the song, the note is meant to be held out.  I can't offer much in terms of what you can do except to just relax and do it, and don't concentrate so much on hitting it perfect on the first try.  For many of the projects I've done, Tim gets the fourth, seventh, recordings...I don't think I've ever sent him the first take.

Keep trying.  Remember I'm not moving very fast on my end so don't rush it.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on October 27, 2007, 09:03:56 AM
I took multiple takes the other day, with me only keeping one that I found remotely acceptable due to various mishaps on the other ones, the most common occurance being that the notes don't seem to be in line with the original. I literally have to keep on my toes (ears?) to sing in sync with the song (I'm using the version with the melody), and sometimes, just outright guess, usually with me starting too early before the actual note sounds.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on October 27, 2007, 04:13:43 PM
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I literally have to keep on my toes (ears?) to sing in sync with the song (I'm using the version with the melody), and sometimes, just outright guess, usually with me starting too early before the actual note sounds.
Ballads like these are very tricky to reproduce in MIDI because the timing of the original songs is so "free".  Trying to get an absolute time on something that was originally sung freely was very difficult when placing the note timings.  My piano part is just a rough indication.  I played that part twice myself and just kept it.  I didn't really modify the recording, I just played on top of the background music.

I also released a version of the music with NO melody playing at all.  If you prefer not to be locked down by my piano part, download that one and see if you get better results.
http://www.driveway.com/lelde63166 (http://www.driveway.com/lelde63166)
[EDIT] fixed the link.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on October 27, 2007, 04:17:20 PM
If I sing without the melody, won't I stand a higher chance of missing the notes and not being in sync with the others?
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on October 27, 2007, 04:22:33 PM
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If I sing without the melody, won't I stand a higher chance of missing the notes and not being in sync with the others?
Depends on your personal listening/singing style. B)
I actually Always sing these songs without a melody playing.  I tried it a couple of times with the melody but I find it very distracting.  I get much better results singing with no melody playing at all.  Just emmerse yourself in the music and learn the song well enough that you can get the timing the way that feels right to you.  If you have trouble with pitch, see if you can learn when you sound either "in tune" or "out of tune" with the music, and work at it until you find the note you want.  Sing along to the original a little bit before hand, so you know what note the song starts on.

If you're off a little bit on entrances or timing, I can fix that in the mixing stage, for the most part.  I will be spending a lot of time and effort on mixing for this song, and I have more sophisticated software than I had been using in the past.

Bottom line, do what YOU find easier. I prefer singing with no background melody, but then I also make sure to know and understand the song before I start singing.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on November 08, 2007, 06:50:12 PM
I got 3 more recordings done, bringing my total to 4.

My new plan of, ahem, 'attack,' is to do 10 recordings, 5 using the piano melody version, and 5 using the version without the piano melody, to increase my odds that at least one is an alright recording. This is necessary partly because I'm not sure if I'd be better off with the piano melody, or without it. I'll compress them with WinRAR and send 'em over to Petrie. When he's satisfied with one of my recordings, I'll send a second wave that only includes the melody part at the end with the overlapping "Maybe when things change."
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on November 08, 2007, 06:54:13 PM
I haven't been able to do any recordings cuz my mic was busted, then I got sick, and then my mom's been home all day for a week, and now I'm sick again! :angry: Mom's going away for a while and I hope my cold clears.  I'm just gonna do a couple recordings a day (once I'm able) and send them in so you can have as much material as possible to work with.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on November 08, 2007, 08:17:51 PM
Not a problem guys. :)  Thanks for the update.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on November 09, 2007, 03:36:01 PM
I've came across a difficulty.

I accidentally saved over my blank WAV file that I use as a mother file to do my recordings with. Is there a way to use GoldWave or some other program to completely blank a WAV file to contain no audio, like a blank file?

EDIT: My latest concern is that my recordings aren't quite loud enough. I compared my recordings in GoldWave with action9000's MP3s and my recordings didn't go near as high or low on the graph as the songs did. I pray that it is merely a side effect of my deep voice....
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on November 09, 2007, 07:11:11 PM
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Is there a way to use GoldWave or some other program to completely blank a WAV file to contain no audio, like a blank file?
There are a couple of ways to do this in Goldwave:
1) File -> New...
44100 Hz
choose the length of the blank audio that you want
choose Mono.
Click OK.

A blank .wav should appear of the length you specified.

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EDIT: My latest concern is that my recordings aren't quite loud enough. I compared my recordings in GoldWave with action9000's MP3s and my recordings didn't go near as high or low on the graph as the songs did.
I don't really care what the volume level is of your recording.  I can edit that on my end as much or little as necessary.  The main thing I need you to do is to have as little hissing and background noise as possible.  I'd much rather you send us a quiet recording with little noise than a loud recording with a lot of noise. B)
To reduce the amount of hissing (if it is a problem), try turning DOWN your microphone gain (volume).  This can be done in Goldwave or via the Windows audio control (speaker icon, bottom-right of the screen).  This will reduce the level of your sound card's preamp (the hardware on your sound card used for amplifying the microphone input).  Many sound cards use very cheap preamps and making it as quiet as possible will help reduce noise in a lot of cases.  Remember though, it needs to be loud enough that it picks up some of the details of your voice.  Play with it until you get a sound you're happy with. :yes

NOTICE: This goes for Everyone!
Turn your microphone gain (volume) DOWN to help reduce the amount of hissing/background noise in your recording unless you have specifically upgraded your sound card to a Sound Blaster Live or better.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on November 09, 2007, 07:44:38 PM
I sent 6 recordings to Petrie that are awaiting approval and for the screening of issues like that.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Achillobator on November 09, 2007, 10:31:29 PM
Hmm, I may have to really think if I want to join :p I am not really confident I will be able to sing that song well :p

Call me when you start working on "Family" (if you haven't done so already).
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on November 10, 2007, 01:02:22 AM
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Turn your microphone gain (volume) DOWN to help reduce the amount of hissing/background noise in your recording unless you have specifically upgraded your sound card to a Sound Blaster Live or better.

I know absolutely nothing about sound cards, but I have a $60 one.  Do I still have to reduce the gain?  I don't know anything about it. :unsure:
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on November 10, 2007, 05:03:49 PM
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Do I still have to reduce the gain?
Use your ears. :)
Try recording yourself with the gain set to various levels until you find a level that works best for your equipment.  Ideally, you want as little hissing and unwanted noise as possible.  Play with the settings until you obtain this.

Remember: Lower gain will always mean less audible noise (because the sound is at a lowel dB overall) , BUT it will also mean less audible voice.  The trick is not to just lower the noise level, it's to increase the SIGNAL to NOISE Ratio (SNR). Play with the settings until you get a sound that has the most voice/wanted content as compared to the amount of noise/unwanted content.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on November 10, 2007, 11:50:20 PM
Manny, I checked out your recordings.  You've done an excellent job at keeping the hissing/noise level down! :yes
I'm sure they'll be fine.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on November 10, 2007, 11:51:34 PM
I was alomost worred sick! :P:

Did any of them mix up well with your MP3s and were they of sufficient volume? Will more recordings be necessary? I could do some more if need be.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on November 10, 2007, 11:55:49 PM
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Did any of them mix up well with your MP3s?
I haven't mixed my mp3 with your vocals yet, actually.  I'll get to that as soon as I can get a bit of time to mess around with all the recordings you sent me. B)

I'm working full time now and I have a huuuuge list of (non-work-related) projects to finish up, all with relatively tight deadlines.  They're taking priority over "Things Change" at the moment.  See my signature (Stepmix Musician) for the nature of my current major project, due in January.

Petrie and I are still accepting any recordings you want to send our way though. :) I'll get to them as soon as possible.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on November 11, 2007, 12:37:40 AM
Quote from: action9000,Nov 10 2007 on  09:55 PM
I'm working full time now and I have a huuuuge list of (non-work-related) projects to finish up, all with relatively tight deadlines.  They're taking priority over "Things Change" at the moment.  See my signature (Stepmix Musician) for the nature of my current major project, due in January.
Isn't this why Petrie is chipping in? :P: I don't want to do more 'bad' or 'useless' recordings by ignorance of some unknown issue like volume settings, etc., that have messed up my sent recordings.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on November 11, 2007, 12:45:39 AM
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I don't want to do more 'bad' or 'useless' recordings by ignorance of some unknown issue like volume settings, etc., that have messed up my sent recordings.
The good news is that your technical stuff seems very very good. :yes  If you want to continue practicing singing the song, feel free to send more recordings.  Keep using the same audio settings you have been using - they work. B)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on November 11, 2007, 01:01:57 AM
If I ever get the house yo myself and have somne free time, I'll do just that. :) I get the house alone often enough, but most of the time that happens, I'm doing school work (I'm homeschooled).

What I did was turn everything up to maximum volume/whatever, for the most part, with a few exceptions. I muted the microphone output, as that served nothing more than to feed whatever the laptop microphone was receiving into my headset. And, then, I dropped the main volume down to one-third of the maximum setting. I tried the maximum setting, but it was sufficiently loud enough to actually pick up your MP3 on the microphone. :lol: I threw that recording away. As was stated, I recorded into a built-in laptop microphone. I had my mouth about 2 feet away from the microphone. Didn't get my singing quite as well, but it reduced the strain on me, as well as some background noise. I'm sure it also helped to have closed doors and to have turned the A/C off. I just used MS Sound Recorder to actually record. I have a save preset entitled "TGOF" so I can select that anytime I want to start a new recording like that. B)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on November 21, 2007, 08:53:47 AM
I think some have forgotten about this project or just can't find time for it.  Please give us your status if you have not sent recordings to me.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on November 21, 2007, 09:59:14 AM
I just installed a new sound card in my laptop, so I'm now ready to record.  Big delays have been going on.  It is the start of school ya know....lots of sick people. :( I just got over another cold and I hope to record now over this nice 4 1/2 day weekend. :D
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on November 21, 2007, 10:18:33 AM
Before I try more recordings, I'd like to know how my first batch went (if they were loud enough, if they mixed well, etc.) so I don't do unnecessary recordings from my older method that won't go well, anyway. If they didn't go well, I can do more recordings. If they went well, I can do the harmony part at the end.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on November 21, 2007, 02:20:32 PM
You're ok Manny...no more recordings will be necessary.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Manny Cav on November 21, 2007, 07:24:54 PM
Good. :^.^: I'll do some harmony recordings when I can.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Saphireraptor on November 21, 2007, 10:19:38 PM
wah one of my cats decided they'd eat my mic =(
well i'll figure out away to record still =)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Flathead770 on November 22, 2007, 12:21:49 AM
i haven't forgot about it, just can't seem to find the time to do it. I guess i better work on it soon.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Malte279 on November 22, 2007, 08:56:52 AM
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wah one of my cats decided they'd eat my mic =(
well i'll figure out away to record still =)
Please do Saphire! Your voice would be really missed :yes
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on November 27, 2007, 12:30:24 AM
*Bump*
I sent a PM to everyone who has not yet sent in a recording, yet has volunteered to join in on this project.  I hope to hear from some of you soon! :D

Also, if I missed anyone, Please let me know! :yes
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: StarfallRaptor on November 27, 2007, 12:45:37 AM
Heh...Sounds like it might be fun...  Guess I'm in... Though... :unsure: I'm not the best singer in the world, I'll do what I can.  Maybe a Violin part would be good... I play the violin well... :p
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on November 27, 2007, 01:17:43 AM
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Maybe a Violin part would be good... I play the violin well...
Hmm, are you interested in a solo violin recording, a full recording with a violin playing the melody, or the sheet music of the melody written for violin?  I can work out any of those for you, I just need to know which one(s) interests you most (or something else, if I missed anything.  Heck, I can give you the full score to the song if you want LOL). B)

If you need some music to sing along to, here's a great place to start:
http://www.driveway.com/nknde61975 (http://www.driveway.com/nknde61975)

Please, do Not sing along to the original song.  It's very important that you sing along with one of the music files that we supply you with, for synchronizing reasons.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on November 27, 2007, 01:28:48 AM
wait a minute, I think I know what you meant!

Correct me on this, but are you volunteering to play the violin for our song? If so, perhaps we could have some fun with that!
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: StarfallRaptor on November 27, 2007, 01:57:24 AM
Yep Yep Yep!  I guess I could try to get a recording to you.  When do you think you'll need it by?  

Starfall
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on November 27, 2007, 02:00:27 AM
At this point, no dates are for sure.  I'd say you have at least a month.  I'll keep in touch with you and everyone else regarding dates.

What we should probably discuss though is what notes you'll be playing!  One option is to play the melody, another option is to play some sort of harmony or accompaniment part, or perhaps a combination of both.  For now, let's put you on melody (let me know if you want sheet music!).  I'll work on composing an accompaniment/melody violin part for the song and I'll let you know how plausible it will be to work into the song.

For sure though, we can at least have you play the melody.  We'll go with that for now and I'll get back to you with cool harmony stuff in the near future.  Again, if you want sheet music for the melody, I can get it for you pretty quick.  Just let me know. B)

Out of curiosity, what is your skill level on the violin?  Basically, I need to know what sort of difficulty limits to concern myself with when composing the new part.

(Geez, if we had a few more musicians, we could perform the entire song using live instruments!  We need a drummer, a keyboardist (I can do that) a cello player, a guitar player and an english horn player the most :p Anyone? :p  French horn player could be useful too: Adam? :lol )
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: StarfallRaptor on November 27, 2007, 02:06:36 AM
Well, Skill wise I've played since I was five (irony, that) and I'm 16 now, so I', pretty good.  And yeah, the live instrument thing would rock.  

Starfall
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on November 27, 2007, 02:07:54 AM
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Well, Skill wise I've played since I was five (irony, that) and I'm 16 now, so I', pretty good.
Excellent! :D
We'll keep in touch. :yes
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: StarfallRaptor on November 27, 2007, 02:09:21 AM
Understood.  Thanks for the opportunity! :D
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on November 27, 2007, 02:11:08 AM
My pleasure. :wow
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on November 27, 2007, 07:35:03 AM
Don't have one Tim.  :P:
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Flathead770 on November 27, 2007, 11:54:06 PM
heh, i wouldn't mind having the violin part as well, i could play harmony maybe if starfall will be playing melody. I can't remember what level i can actually play at, but i know im not too horrible :lol . I've never taken any private lessons, only played in the school orbhestra.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on November 28, 2007, 12:52:55 AM
Hey, cool!  I'll get the parts to you two as soon as possible.  I am working every single day this week though so bear with me. B)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: StarfallRaptor on November 28, 2007, 03:19:24 AM
I hear you!  Ready and waiting to see the music.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Flathead770 on November 29, 2007, 12:40:17 AM
This is gonna make this project really interesting and i can't wait to hear the finished product!
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on November 29, 2007, 01:48:56 AM
For the violin players:
Here is a link to some sheet music. It is simply the melody of the song for now.  I will work on writing in some harmonies for the 2nd violin part as soon as I have time.  In the meantime though, here's something to play around with. :)

This is written to be played on any soprano-range C instrument (violin, piano, flute, etc.):
http://www.driveway.com/khkdv38658 (http://www.driveway.com/khkdv38658)

Of course, the player can transpose this to whatever key they need :p

PLEASE NOTE: This song is actually played at 113.50 BPM.  In order to keep performance in synch with our music, it is Vital that the live players can keep a tempo the same as our existing music.  My advice: when recording, just play along with my music in the background :).

Also, feel free to play around with octaves.  If you prefer the sound in a lower or higher (higher is probably tooooo high though :p), feel free to play/record in a different octave than I wrote in.  It's safe to take this down an octave; the lowest note is an A.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Flathead770 on November 29, 2007, 08:29:02 PM
gotta love them flats :lol . Other then that, it doesn't look too hard though.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on November 29, 2007, 09:48:45 PM
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gotta love them flats  .
heh heh heh  :lol  :lol I remember fighting with that problem when I was writing the full score into the mp3. :P:   The EbM/AbM stuff isn't so bad once you get used to it. ;)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: StarfallRaptor on November 30, 2007, 12:39:54 AM
Hmmm....Right!  Shouldn't be too hard to get now.  Once I hear the song a few times, I'll be able to play it.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Flathead770 on November 30, 2007, 01:51:30 AM
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The EbM/AbM stuff isn't so bad once you get used to it.
I shouldn't have too big of deal with it, i'm currently playing a song in the college orchestra thats in E flat Major, so i have it fesh in my mind. Whats worse is trying to sight read a song that has 6 flats :lol . I can tell you right now that it never turned out to well.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on November 30, 2007, 01:54:51 AM
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Whats worse is trying to sight read a song that has 6 flats .
I sincerely agree. :lol  :lol:

At least Things Change isn't in some weird time signature.  I had to play a piece in grade 10 that alternated between 7/8 and 8/8 time every measure...That took a little getting used to, back in the day! :P:
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Flathead770 on November 30, 2007, 02:08:38 AM
ouch, i'm happy to say that i have never had to experienced that yet :DD . That would definately take me a while to get accustomed to that. Heck, i even have trouble when it switches to cut time.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on November 30, 2007, 02:13:38 AM
Something I should point out to anyone who downloads the sheet music:
There are 5 cosmetic errors I made on it, which I didn't catch at the time because I was up too late working on it :p  I'll fix these right away and I'll have the new sheet music posted up within a few minutes.

1) In the first measure, the time signature is written in before the key signature.  That should be reversed, by convention.

2) A couple of notes (see the held note in measure 3, for example) are written too long.  The note probably shouldn't be held quite as long as dictated on the manuscript.

3) Measure 38 should have a double bar line before the key change, making it easier to see.

4)Measure 46 should also have a double bar line for the same reason.

5) The quarter note in measure 63 should be a dotted half note.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on November 30, 2007, 02:18:11 AM
Okay, here's the update :)
Sorry about that!  How unprofessional of me. :lol:  :lol

http://www.driveway.com/khkdv38658 (http://www.driveway.com/khkdv38658)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Flathead770 on November 30, 2007, 02:21:47 AM
don't worry about it, i haven't really practiced yet anyway as i had to go play at the college for the majority of the evening.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on November 30, 2007, 02:23:23 AM
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i haven't really practiced yet anyway as i had to go play at the college for the majority of the evening.
17 years old and playing in a college orchestra here in Alberta...impressive. B)  :wow
I was only playing in my high school symphonic band at that age. :p
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on November 30, 2007, 07:44:43 AM
I have Austin's (lbtlovers) recordings Tim.  I'll give them a listen and go from there.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on November 30, 2007, 11:28:08 PM
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I have Austin's (lbtlovers) recordings Tim. I'll give them a listen and go from there.
*nods*
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Flathead770 on December 10, 2007, 01:00:59 AM
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17 years old and playing in a college orchestra here in Alberta...impressive. 
I was only playing in my high school symphonic band at that age.
No, its not that impressive actually. If you want to hear the whole story. The college orchestra is pretty much just a bunch of people that gather and play, though they do play harder music then High School. My teacher was asking if anyone wanted to play, and i joined up. We need the people too. We only have 3 violinists, including me, on first section, 2 people on the second section. Maybe one violist, 3 cellist, and 1 bassist.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Flathead770 on December 15, 2007, 01:12:45 AM
i finally got some recordings done and sent them to Petrie. I'll probably send some more after with a bit more practice and do some udjustments to get rid of the unwanted sounds.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on December 15, 2007, 04:58:29 PM
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though they do play harder music then High School. My teacher was asking if anyone wanted to play, and i joined up. We need the people too.
Sounds a little bit of my high school actually.  We had two bands at my old high school: the concert band and the symphonic band.  The concert band plays "normal" difficulty high school band music, whereas the symphonic band player higher-level music and demanded more ability to keep up.  The symphonic band at my high school is perhaps fairly equivalent to what you're doing then.
That's very cool. :yes  I remember being 2nd trumpet in the symphonic band.  Ahh, good times. ;)

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finally got some recordings done and sent them to Petrie. I'll probably send some more after with a bit more practice and do some udjustments to get rid of the unwanted sounds.
Good news :) No rush on getting recordings out, everyone.  The deadline won't be until after January 12th for sure.  I have a lot of work to do on other projects until then.  I'll keep you all posted on the deadline but it will be AFTER January 12th.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on December 15, 2007, 07:12:58 PM
Tim I forwarded his songs to your email account.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on December 15, 2007, 08:18:52 PM
Got them. B)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Nimrod on December 16, 2007, 04:00:15 PM
Well, I finally got a recording from Guido and send it to Petrie. If it¥s possible in any way to put him anyway in the song, that would be very nice. And please take care about him, his english isn¥t very good. ;)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on December 16, 2007, 04:38:50 PM
I'm sure I can find a way to work him in. :)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Nimrod on December 16, 2007, 05:00:44 PM
cool, thank you very much action
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on January 14, 2008, 09:51:43 PM
Littlefoot1616: Any luck getting ahold of a microphone or will we need to move on without you?

Also, I haven't been sent any recordings/updates from anyone in quite some time.  I will be placing the submittion deadline up now:
JANUARY 31st, 2008.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on January 14, 2008, 10:09:56 PM
Nothing here that I haven't already shared with you.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: LBTFan13 on January 22, 2008, 07:39:37 AM
ill try my best to get everything in on time
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on January 27, 2008, 10:16:15 AM
If anyone is still sending recordings I must receive them tomorrow...no exceptions.  This project is long overdue to be complete.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on January 27, 2008, 03:55:05 PM
Singers are able to send me their work until January 31st.
Thank you.

Any word on the violin parts? ;)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on January 27, 2008, 04:29:38 PM
You got my recording, right Petrie?  I've lost my microphone and I can't find it, so making another recording would be difficult.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on January 27, 2008, 04:31:12 PM
If Petrie did get it, he didn't send it to me. I only have recordings from
Flathead770
Malte
Manny Cav
Marcel
Nimrod
Pokeplayer
myself


Here is the list of everyone whos said they were interested:
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Achillobater
Dash the Longneck
duckytears
Flathead
landbeforetimelover
lbtfan13
littlefoot
littlefoot1616
Malte
Manny Cav
Marcel
Nimrod
Pokeplayer
Ryuuzaki
Saftycera
SaphireRaptor
Stitch
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Nimrod on January 27, 2008, 04:52:44 PM
:o  :huh: , that are much who didn¥t send it yet. :unsure:
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on January 27, 2008, 04:54:47 PM
I sent a download link to Petire via PM.  I hope that was the right thing to do instead of posting the link here. :unsure:
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on January 27, 2008, 05:04:08 PM
Got it from Petrie, LBTlover - no worries. You're all good now. :)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Flathead770 on January 28, 2008, 01:49:20 AM
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Any word on the violin parts?
Oh dear, only a couple days left and i haven't even practiced that much :lol . That will be on the top of my list of things to do right after i write my last diploma tomorrow.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: StarfallRaptor on January 29, 2008, 12:54:18 PM
Ah, Dios Mio, Action.  I got my computer taken away, which means I can't get a recording done.  Sorry... :cry
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Flathead770 on February 01, 2008, 12:24:05 AM
I've sent the violin recordings to Petrie, i hope its not too late. They could've been better if i managed my time more efficiently (not putting it off to the last couple of days so im in a rush to try and get practiced up :lol ). But i hope its satisfactory enough.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Kor on February 01, 2008, 01:40:08 AM
Good luck to you folks.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on February 03, 2008, 01:22:57 AM
Final release coming soon!
(it would come sooner but having a full-time job gets in the way :p)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on February 03, 2008, 01:29:54 AM
For those people who want to see what I'm actually doing when I'm mixing the vocals/instrument parts together, check this screenshot:
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h141/act...ge-in-Sonar.png (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h141/action9000/Things-Change-in-Sonar.png)

I have it on a separate page because it's a very high resolution image.

Fun, hey? :p
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Flathead770 on February 03, 2008, 01:38:38 AM
looks very fun indeed. Woot woot, im on the top of the list  :lol . Can't wait to hear the finished product!
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on February 03, 2008, 01:47:31 AM
LOL.  I'm purple! :P: Looks like real fun Action.  Glad you've finally got sonar.  Looks like the visual of my audio channels in my video/audio editing program, but more advanced.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: pokeplayer984 on February 10, 2008, 09:31:25 AM
Hey Action9000, just wondering when you will be done with it completely.  We've been waiting on it for quite some time. :)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on February 10, 2008, 10:12:58 AM
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Hey Action9000, just wondering when you will be done with it completely.  We've been waiting on it for quite some time. :)
It'll be done when it is done.  I usually help him with the mastering so it sounds pretty decent.  I haven't gotten anything to test yet, so I assume its not completely finished yet.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Dash The Longneck on February 16, 2008, 04:07:33 PM
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Quote from: pokeplayer984,Feb 10 2008 on  08:31 AM
Hey Action9000, just wondering when you will be done with it completely. We've been waiting on it for quite some time. :)
It'll be done when it is done.  I usually help him with the mastering so it sounds pretty decent.  I haven't gotten anything to test yet, so I assume its not completely finished yet.
Is it to late to send you my recordings? I don't know what happened because I remember singing the song and I remember sending you the recordings in like October or maybe early November to your e-mail. If it's to late for me to try to send them again I guess I'll just have to sit this one out. :(
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on February 16, 2008, 06:24:14 PM
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Is it to late to send you my recordings?
Sure, you can send it in. :)
I must ask that you get it in soon though.  You don't want to hold up the entire project. :lol
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Dash The Longneck on February 17, 2008, 01:01:02 AM
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Is it to late to send you my recordings?
Sure, you can send it in. :)
I must ask that you get it in soon though.  You don't want to hold up the entire project. :lol
I should send them to Petrie's PM right?
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on February 17, 2008, 01:01:39 AM
or mine
action9000@hotmail.com

For the sake of keeping things simple, just e-mail it to me. :)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Dash The Longneck on February 17, 2008, 01:39:43 AM
Okay all e-mailed Action.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on February 17, 2008, 01:42:10 AM
Perfect :)
I'm attempting to get the song released within the next couple of days. B)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on February 21, 2008, 11:37:41 PM
Yeah, don't send it to me. :P:  My work is pretty much done except for the final mastering.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on March 19, 2008, 04:02:26 PM
Okay, I have found a reasonably large chunk of time from now until June or so, where I can get some of these projects caught-up.  I'll be able to work on this for most of the day today and hopefully have results up soon.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on March 19, 2008, 06:02:56 PM
Things Change, as performed by the Gang of Five, is complete. :)
The song can be downloaded from:
http://www.4shared.com/dir/3255354/e75f6052/Songs.html (http://www.4shared.com/dir/3255354/e75f6052/Songs.html)

Open the folder called "Things Change" and download the file in that folder.  
Thanks to:

Dash the Longneck
Flathead770
Malte
landbeforetimelover
Manny Cav
Marcel
Nimrod
Pokeplayer
Stitch

for making this possible. B)

P.S.  I must say, it's so much easier to mix vocals in Sonar than in  FL Studio. :p  It's actually possible to get voices in sync when they aren't in sync to begin with. B)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: landbeforetimelover on March 19, 2008, 06:13:46 PM
Aw god, that is so awesome!  That was such a great performance everyone! :D  :yes  :^.^: I did notice that it was a lot more in sync now that you're using a more advanced program Action.


What happened to 4shared's 50 second wait to download files?  I only had to wait around 8 seconds?  Did you pay for an account Action?
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on March 19, 2008, 06:16:21 PM
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What happened to 4shared's 50 second wait to download files? I only had to wait around 8 seconds? Did you pay for an account Action?
Nope, I'm still using a free account.  I don't know why the wait time is so much lower...maybe it's an off-peak time or something. *shrugs*

I also want to thank Flathead770 for the live violin performance.  He had something like 3 or 4 days to practice and he did a pretty dang good job, considering! :D  B)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Petrie. on March 19, 2008, 08:49:16 PM
Guess I wasn't needed for remastering after all. :p  This came out really nice.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Mornai on March 19, 2008, 08:56:26 PM
Wow nice performance everyone! It was truly awesome. :yes
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: Flathead770 on March 20, 2008, 12:29:22 AM
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I also want to thank Flathead770 for the live violin performance. He had something like 3 or 4 days to practice and he did a pretty dang good job, considering!
Thanks a lot!  :D  I've yet to listen to the finished product, i'll probably listen to it tomorrow.
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: pokeplayer984 on March 20, 2008, 02:06:35 AM
Wow!  I had almost feared that you were losing the dedication needed to do this.  However, this brilliant piece of work shows that it was worth the wait in the end.

Just like all the other works you've done, this is beautiful.  You did extremely well with this.  I'm sure a professional music mixer would LOVE to hire you if they saw this and your other pieces of work. :)

Of course, you know the main thing I want, right? ;) I'm STILL having trouble figuring out who plays what parts, especially with the new voices and all. :)
Title: LBT Song Project: Things Change
Post by: action9000 on March 20, 2008, 03:04:03 AM
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Guess I wasn't needed for remastering after all. This came out really nice.
I'm still not a fan of trying to mix on headphones...I don't want to know what this sounds like on speakers but it probably isn't quite what I had in mind when I mixed this on headphones. :p

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Just like all the other works you've done, this is beautiful. You did extremely well with this. I'm sure a professional music mixer would LOVE to hire you if they saw this and your other pieces of work.
Thank you very much. :)
I'm toying with the idea of *maybe* trying to get into university and majoring in music but I still need to figure out how I'd be able to pull that off. :lol

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Of course, you know the main thing I want, right? I'm STILL having trouble figuring out who plays what parts, especially with the new voices and all.
I'll get this to you as soon as I can...I have to load the project file back up to check how exactly I divided up the voices but I'll *try* to get it posted up tomorrow, depending on my schedule.