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The Land Before Time => General Land Before Time => Character Discussion => Topic started by: NewOrder on April 22, 2007, 09:39:39 AM

Title: Ali
Post by: NewOrder on April 22, 2007, 09:39:39 AM
Why stick with the main characters? She's sort of our promised land, after 11 years she finally came back, and then suddenly disappeared. I guess this topic could branch out into many issues, such has Ali becoming a permanent member of the gang, her relationship with Littlefoot, and what happened to her.
Title: Ali
Post by: Nick22 on April 23, 2007, 05:18:15 PM
She is in many ways the most famous of the guest characters, since LBT 4 brought out a "love interest" for littlefoot, most protagonists in films have love interests, but it wasn't until LBT 4 that a possible interest for Littlefoot was created. Understandable since he, and other maij characters remain young, unaware of  such mature topivcs as mating and reproducing..
Title: Ali
Post by: Nick22 on April 26, 2007, 12:09:30 PM
Maybe by Season 2, she';'ll become a permanent feature in the series. you already have 7, so what's 1 more?
Title: Ali
Post by: Malte279 on April 26, 2007, 03:38:52 PM
I cannot refer to the content of the TV series when it comes to Ali, but there is one thing I noticed in several summaries or characterizations of Ali (for example the LBT 4 summary on the official LBT page (http://www.landbeforetime.com)) she is described as "shy". I wonder if she really lives up to that label. Her first encounter with Littlefoot (biting his tail) didn't exactly seem very cautious (I guess in case of a character like Cera a first meeting could not have gone more of on the wrong foot than that).
The behaviour of hers which I think may have been misinterpreted as shy was her rather fearful conduct towards the others. A conduct which is somewhat surprising if we see Ali's courage in situations of actual danger. Ugly as it sounds her original conduct towards the others was probably more based on the racism she was taught for all her life (which would bring us the situation in Ali's herd in general) rather than shyness.
Title: Ali
Post by: Nick22 on April 26, 2007, 03:45:37 PM
that racism is reminesciscent of the first film, and the herd really hasn';t changed much, at least from the longneck scheme episode. we have already discussed that nature of Littlefoot and Ali's realtionship(puppy love) and that's not likely to be fleshed out any more than it already is. But i think that in order for Ali to become to become a permanent part of gang, there would have to be a truly tumultous event happen, likely the serious injury or death of her mother.
Title: Ali
Post by: Noname on April 26, 2007, 09:43:36 PM
Well, one of the upcoming episodes is "the big longneck test." Perhaps that will have Ali in it. It certainly seems to be promising...
Title: Ali
Post by: DarkHououmon on April 26, 2007, 11:25:24 PM
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Ugly as it sounds her original conduct towards the others was probably more based on the racism she was taught for all her life (which would bring us the situation in Ali's herd in general) rather than shyness.

This is not what I've read. I think it was on the Land Before Time website, before it was changed, so I think the information is lost. But in the information about Land Before Time IV, it states Ali was afraid of Littlefoot's friends because she had mistaken them for monsters her mother (and possibly the herd in general) warned her about.
Title: Ali
Post by: Malte279 on April 27, 2007, 03:59:40 AM
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This is not what I've read.
You don't find that interpretation in official surces. There Ali is labeled as "shy" (on the old version of the page as well as on the new).
But I don't think shy is the right term for Ali's conduct. What may be understood as shyness is limited to non-longnecks (shortnecks? :lol:) in the beginning of the movie, while her first encounter with Littlefoot was not exactly shy.
It would be interesting to know what kind of stories (or whatever) Ali's herd and her mother told her. There seems to be a clear distinction between the racism shown by threehorns (who consider themselves superior to all other kinds) and the racism shown by longnecks in this case (other kinds are dangerous and to be feared). The other kind of longneck racism we have seen so far (in the original movie) was neither claiming longnecks' superiority nor claiming other kinds to be dangerous. The segregation of the kinds was just accepted as a fact by Littlefoot's mother, which makes me think that her racism may have been much less developed than that within Ali's her (accepted, but not really promoted).
Another interesting question is whether or not Ali got into trouble for hanging out with "shortnecks". LBT 4 doesn't make any such indications (none of the longnecks in her herd seems to have a problem with her saying goodbye to Littlefoot AND his friends). Still I wonder if perhaps the situation is similar to that of Cera's father who doesn't really forbid Cera to hang out with the "hornless" (with the one notable exception in LBT 3 where the ban was against Littlefoot in particular) but doesn't approve of it.
I would like to go on with some more details about the dinosaur racism in general, but as I'm aware that this is leading too far from the topic of this thread (Ali) I will start a new thread (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=1356.0#lastPost) on that matter.
Title: Ali
Post by: Nick22 on April 27, 2007, 01:42:40 PM
Yes, back to the Ali topic at hand. I think we'll see her again, and I hope next time they leave the door open for futher appearances.
Title: Ali
Post by: Nick22 on May 11, 2007, 02:17:25 PM
It will be intereesting to see if there will be a Season 2, hopefully, Ali will make a secomnd appearance...
Title: Ali
Post by: Nick22 on July 02, 2007, 02:39:27 PM
After seeing most of the episodes.. I'm guessing her appearance was a one-off cameo.. I may be wrong.. and I'd be glad to be , but right now it appears that way..
Title: Ali
Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 02, 2007, 04:48:27 PM
I think that they've ruined her character.  Now it seems like she's a very ignorant longneck that will believe anything you tell her and she doesn't trust her old friends.  Her appearance was terrible and she only played a minor role in the tv series.  Her voice was pretty bad and her character lacked luster.  I could take her or leave her when it comes to the tv series.  I would love it if she reappeared in a sequal or two though.

If they ever have her appear again, they have to remake the nature of her character.  This can be done in several ways such as her experienceing a tramatic event or having her come in much later, making her grow in maturity before coming in again.  I personally hated her voice in LBT 4.  It was too high pitched but they can't just change her character completely and alter her voice and expect us to take her for the old Ali.  It doesn't work like that.

If they're not gonna change her character, I hope she never appears again.  It just takes away the magic of Ali in LBT 4.  

Basically, the way she was altered in the tv series, she's now a nothing character.  A filler.  A cheap knock-off of the original.  Why couldn't this be done by ruining another character like hyp or dill?  They were already ruined in my opinion.

I hope I didn't offend anyone here.  I personally love Ali's character and am angry of what they did to it with the tv series.  I'm just saying that her character needs a lot of work before I would ever consider her a character worth having reappear.
Title: Ali
Post by: KingdomKey23 on July 03, 2007, 03:51:17 AM
I'm an Ali fan (perhaps her biggest fan, and she happens to be my favorite character of the LBT series), but I have to painfully admit that what you say is true landbeforetimelover. I really hated how they changed Ali in the series.  :angry:  They made her seem so gullible, and how she just rejected the others like that. I'm sure she would've just died to be with Littlefoot and her friends again because they are probably the only friends she actually had. I really wish that scenario was handled a lot better. She hardly got any screen time, and I expected her to interact with the gang a bit more. No, I take no offence to your remark LBTL, though I was fine with her voice in LBT4, but not here. If I truly am a fan of Ali, then I wouldn't want to see her again until her character reverts back to her shy, but intellegent self. I was just so enraged because Ali subjected her to Rhette(sp?) like that. I pray that if they include her in a forthcoming sequel, then at least she is her good old self from LBT4, though perhaps  she has a a bit of maturity. For now, I plan to include Ali in the later chapters of my LBT fanfiction, and I will be sure to handle her the way she was meant to be.
Title: Ali
Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 03, 2007, 04:12:44 AM
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I was fine with her voice in LBT4

 :lol Her voice sounded like a 6 year old being forced to use helium the whole time, and getting jabbed with a fork to make her voice sound so high pitched.


I cannot watch LBT 4 with headphones cuz her voice bothers me so much.  I still think they should have kept the same voice though.  It isnt't Ali without her distinctive voice.

I bet that if I were on the street and I heard her voice, I would instantly be able to tell that she played Ali in LBT 4.

I just love Ali so much.  Her character is so unique and interesting.  She is a complex character and I find it very suprising that they were able to make her so complex and generate so many Ali fans with her only appearing once.  It was a huge disappiontment for me to have her character ruined like this.  I think their number one priority with LBT now should be to restore her character.

I don't mean any offense to anyone who likes Ali.  I do too.  In fact, if they were going to add someone else to the gang besides Chomper, it should have been Ali, not Ruby.  I don't know why they don't give Ali's character more attantion.  They really should.  The one thing I'm waiting for in LBT is for Ali to return and to have her back to her old self again. :)
Title: Ali
Post by: Nick22 on July 03, 2007, 02:06:31 PM
I agreee that Ali should hsave been added... and the Brave Longneck Scheme was an golden opportunity lost, to have the first meeting of two of the best loved guest characters.. and it was completely watered down..I put it down to, writers just putting in an episode to just stop us older fans from wiondering when she is going to come back. It was a one-off, and Rhette was simply there is to make Littlefoot jealous..he was a plot device nothing more... they could have at least had Littlefoot and Ali do a duet , like "Back together again" or some other reunion song.. I do thing that they need to have Ali be voiced by someone who can sound like Julia Hansen (Her original voice) and they need to allow her character to come through..
Title: Ali
Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 03, 2007, 03:06:25 PM
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they could have at least had Littlefoot and Ali do a duet , like "Back together again" or some other reunion song..


That would have been the best freaking song ever!  I would have put it on my ipod like all of the sequal songs I have.  They had better not have this be the last time we ever see Ali.  They still need to make her character a character agian.
Title: Ali
Post by: Nick22 on July 03, 2007, 03:19:55 PM
Maybe She'll reappear in Season 2, if not then hopefully in either LBT 14 or 15 she wil return..The only positive i got out of the BLs was that Littlefoot during the "We need a plan song "said he(meaning Rhette) can't be her best friend" but that I intreprit it as sauying "I"m her best friend"
Title: Ali
Post by: Kor on October 20, 2007, 12:45:27 AM
One thing they could do is similar to what the Justice league did, at least during the first season and part of 2 that I saw.  They could have some characters logically join the group who logically, and have some episodes where this char isn't present or has a cameo and has to help their parents or somesuch.  This could keep the total active in any one episode to a certain number but the actual GOF members could be larger.

I do agree though that Ali would likely not move into the valley unless her mother did or she died or something.

As for her and Littlefoot being cousins, they could be in fact cousins, but maybe distant like 5th or 8th, or somesuch.  Or many longnecks may call each other cousins if their from the same general area.  It could also be that perhaps somewhere in the past, one of Grandpa longneck's herd and one of Ali's became mates at some point in the past, so they consider each other related now.
Title: Ali
Post by: Nick22 on November 30, 2007, 02:50:17 PM
from my estimtes, she is either a 3rd cousin (once removed) or a 4th cousin... They have a common amcestor a great great grandfather or mother... depending on which of  his grandparents are related to the herd..
Title: Ali
Post by: Kor on November 30, 2007, 03:26:30 PM
That is along the ways I was thinking, though I'm not sure what once, twice removed means.  They may indeed have a common ancestor.  From the first and fourth movies it  looks like they lived in different areas outside the great valley.  Perhaps sometime in the past when some disaster hit the great valley, there could have been a family of long necks.  Perhaps some siblings and friends went in one direction, and some others went in another.  One became Ali's heard, and the other the one that Littlefoot came from.  How far in the past this happened, maybe the longnecks themselves may not be sure.
Title: Ali
Post by: Nick22 on November 30, 2007, 04:22:42 PM
Well said Kor.. they may be what happened although they don't go into great detail... all we can do is guess..
Title: Ali
Post by: Malte279 on March 24, 2008, 10:34:34 AM
Recently Tim mentioned his dislike of the opening of the land before time 9 to me. He didn't like Littlefoot's wish that his mother had "given him a brother" in particular.
The thought of it made me consider a very different point of view on the relationship between Littlefoot and Ali.
I don't think there is anyone to be found who does not see some degree of romance in the relationship between Littlefoot and Ali. This more than anything made Ali probably the most thoroughly discussed of all land before time guest characters. I too agree that there is probably a kind of "sandbox love" between the two.
However, there is another fact which I suppose must be taken into account when we look at the relationship between Littlefoot and Ali. Remember the first movie? Littlefoot's mother promised him that there would be many young longnecks for him to play with in the Great Valley. To this day we haven't seen a single one of them.
We have seen other threehorn, swimmer, flyer, and Spiketail kids, but as for longneck kids we only had the Tinysaurs of LBT 11 and they were probably not what Littlefoot or his mother had in mind when talking about other longnecks in the Great Valley for Littlefoot to play with. The other longneck kids we saw were all part of herds outside the Great Valley and Ali was the first of those Littlefoot ever met.
Littlefoot is of course not a racist and is certainly happy with his short-necked friends, but is it not likely that he too would be happy to know other dinosaurs of his own age and species? I think that this may well have played an important role in Littlefoot's relationship with Ali. Ali may well have been in exactly the same situation as Littlefoot. At least we never ever saw another young longneck in her herd.
The idea of this hope to find a friend of the own species doesn't necessarily contradict the possibility of a "sandbox-love" between the two, but perhaps their relationship would have been much less close if Littlefoot or Ali had known other longnecks of their age.
The land before time TV series seems to support this point of view. Ali's enthusiasm for Littlefoot seems to have cooled down to some degree because since Rhet joined her herd she has a friend she can play with every day rather than on the rare occasions when her herd happens to enter the Great Valley.
Title: Ali
Post by: Clawandfang on March 24, 2008, 12:48:52 PM
Quote from: Malte279,Mar 24 2008 on  02:34 PM
Ali's enthusiasm for Littlefoot seems to have cooled down to some degree because since Rhet joined her herd she has a friend she can play with every day rather than on the rare occasions when her herd happens to enter the Great Valley.
I agree with most of what you say Malte, but I think this last point can be largly attributed to the amount of time the two spent apart.
Title: Ali
Post by: Malte279 on March 24, 2008, 12:55:02 PM
If this is so we would have to assume that if Ali had never met Rhet she would have been just as reserved towards Littlefoot upon her return to the Great Valley as she was in his company. The time would have been just the same, but I still think Ali's greeting of Littlefoot would have been more enthusiastic had it not been for the presence of Rhet.
Title: Ali
Post by: Kor on March 24, 2008, 01:41:50 PM
That is likely true.  Some of her seeming to have cooled down is likely to have been due to the presence of Rhett.  With him there she now has a longneck about her age who she plays with every day.    Though still a bit odd with the herd the size it is with only 1 fertile female in the whole herd, but that is another topic.

She likely still likes Littlefoot and his friends, but maybe not as close since Rhett is there.  It did seem Rhett's reaction to seeing non longnecks wasn't like Ali's first reaction.  Maybe his herd had encountered other non longnecks before they joined Ali's herd.

Her feelings towards Littlefoot may have changed due to either the presence Rhett who she sees everyday, or it may have happened due to the passage of time. Perhaps also the knowledge that she can't see Littlefoot very often, only when the old one decides to visit the Great Valley.
Title: Ali
Post by: Nick22 on March 25, 2008, 11:56:41 PM
Rhette does bring oput a certain jealousy in Littlefoot  as his words "He can't be her best friend" in the episode's song indicate. HE thinks that he should be Ali's best friend. rhette, to me, is basically nothing more than a plot device,thrown in there to liven things up. The ALi in LBT 4 would not been as taken in by his stories as the Ali in the episode was. as for her relationship with littlefoot, it likely has cooled some, but to what to degree we don't know, as Ali and Littlefoot don't hang out by themselves at all in the episode.
Title: Ali
Post by: The Great Valley Guardian on March 26, 2008, 12:50:30 AM
I suppose I see Rette being solely a plot device, but on the subject of Ali, Littlefoot, and Rette as a triangle of sorts...I believe if given the chance to spend some alone time together Ali would show us that her relationship is still going strong with Littlefoot, no matter how small.
Title: Ali
Post by: Nick22 on March 26, 2008, 12:57:39 AM
i agree Great Valley Guardian, which is why the episode was such a missed oportunity. while it is possible Ali might appear in Season 2, I find that to be unlikely. I interpret the closing line of LBT 4 to be in reference to a future sequel, be it 14, 15, 16, whatever.
Title: Ali
Post by: Kor on March 26, 2008, 06:10:48 AM
That would be nice to have her in a sequel.  Rhett should not be in it if it takes place before the tv series since the gang have not met Rhett yet, and Ali has not yet met Chomper before the episode.
Title: Ali
Post by: Malte279 on March 26, 2008, 06:28:51 AM
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I believe if given the chance to spend some alone time together Ali would show us that her relationship is still going strong with Littlefoot, no matter how small.
Yet how often will she have that chance compared to the occasions where she can be alone with Rhett? And is Ali really to "blame" for appreciating Rhett as a friend she can be with every day over Littlefoot with whom she had been for just a few days and with whom she can't keep contact when she is on the move with a herd in which, apart from herself, Rhett is the only other young longneck we ever saw?
Please don't get me wrong. Of course I would rather have Littlefoot and Ali as best friends, but the story the authors of that TV episode told is not implausible. I think that each and everyone of us had some concept for a return of Ali in mind and we may have almost "mythologized" her in our perception. I suppose it would be almost impossible for the creators of the land before time to come up with a return of Ali that would match the very, very high expectations.
I think that many people here have a degree of "romance" in mind when it comes to Littlefoot and Ali, that does by far exceed that degree of such emotions that can usually be expected from kids of their age. I'm repeating myself when I cast in the word "sandbox-love" for the threethousandtfourhundredfortyseventh time, but I still consider it much more likely than some of those "concepts" being suggested in the AM section so far and which I consider proof that indeed the thesis of the exaggerated expectation of romance is true.
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Rhette does bring oput a certain jealousy in Littlefoot as his words "He can't be her best friend" in the episode's song indicate.
No doubt about it. No doubt that Littlefoot was jealous, but a romantic love is no precondition for jealousy. Remember Cera in LBT 9:
"Newest best friend! I probably won't even like him!"
Later on she even admitted her jealousy, but still this doesn't go to show that Cera perceived any kind of romance going on between Littlefoot and Mo ;)
Title: Ali
Post by: landbeforetimelover on March 26, 2008, 07:45:23 AM
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No doubt about it. No doubt that Littlefoot was jealous, but a romantic love is no precondition for jealousy. Remember Cera in LBT 9:
"Newest best friend! I probably won't even like him!"
Later on she even admitted her jealousy, but still this doesn't go to show that Cera perceived any kind of romance going on between Littlefoot and Mo


Oh god, that's a nasty thought. :x

I agree with Malte on this one.  Cera was jealous of Mo because of the friendship that Littlefoot shared with him.  We know that Cera&Littlefoot would never be a couple, nor would Littlefoot&Mo.  Littlefoot wasn't jealous of Ret because he wanted to be the target of Ali's romantic affection, but because he didn't want Ali being lied to and he wanted to play with her but Ret was preventing it.  Ret therefore became the "enemy" in his eyes as well as Cera's because they wanted to have fun with Ali, who they hadn't seen in a long while but it felt like Ali was being controlled by Ret.
Title: Ali
Post by: Mornai on March 26, 2008, 01:04:43 PM
Quote from: landbeforetimelover,Mar 26 2008 on  07:45 AM
I agree with Malte on this one.  Cera was jealous of Mo because of the friendship that Littlefoot shared with him.  We know that Cera&Littlefoot would never be a couple, nor would Littlefoot&Mo.  Littlefoot wasn't jealous of Ret because he wanted to be the target of Ali's romantic affection, but because he didn't want Ali being lied to and he wanted to play with her but Ret was preventing it.  Ret therefore became the "enemy" in his eyes as well as Cera's because they wanted to have fun with Ali, who they hadn't seen in a long while but it felt like Ali was being controlled by Ret.
First of all, how could Littlefoot and Mo be a couple? :blink:

I agree with you on your statement, though. Littlefoot knew that Rhet (however that's spelled) lying about the stories he told Ali. Maybe he probably thought That Rhet didn't deserve Ali as a friend because of those eyes?
Title: Ali
Post by: Malte279 on March 26, 2008, 01:27:57 PM
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First of all, how could Littlefoot and Mo be a couple?
Of course they aren't. Still Cera was very jealous of Mo.
This is a good example that romance need not be involved for LBT characters to get jealous. I think that many people interpret more romance into the three or four days (possibly more but not likely) than is likely to be true for a relationship between kids of their age.
Title: Ali
Post by: Nick22 on March 26, 2008, 03:38:57 PM
While it is true that he have mythologied Ali based on her LBT 4 performance, ands that it was unlikely that the episode in which she appeared could meet our prior expectations, still I found it disapointing. The episode focused less on her than on Rhette and the gang;s attempts to prove him a fraud, which were ultimately successful.
Title: Ali
Post by: LBTFan13 on March 26, 2008, 03:41:26 PM
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We know that Cera&Littlefoot would never be a couple.
Although I highly agree with that statement, I at first thought Littlefoot and Cera would have made a nice couple because of their experiences in the first movie (sharptooth in the beginning, the fight before they split up, Cera learning she was wrong, Cera returning to help the others kill sharptooth). However, I guess she always will see him as a friend, especially after her quote in LBT 3

"Littlefoot is my friend! He'll always be my friend..."


I agree with Malte in the sense that romance wasn't needed to arouse jealousy, and inmy opinion the biggest example was when Ali first came to the valley in LBT 4. I think Cera had such a hostile attitude towards Ali at first because Littlefoot was spending more time with her instead of the others. In my opinion, her distrust towards Ali was fueled when they rescued Littlefoot from the cave incident. I feel that Cera probably thought that Ali didn't even try to save Littlefoot and left him to die. You guys may argue otherwise, but this is just my opinion.
Title: Ali
Post by: The Great Valley Guardian on March 26, 2008, 03:51:51 PM
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In my opinion, her distrust towards Ali was fueled when they rescued Littlefoot from the cave incident. I feel that Cera probably thought that Ali didn't even try to save Littlefoot and left him to die.



You make a very valid point...that probably is how Cera felt during the rescue, but then for Cera to overcome her jeaoulsy...it took Ali risking her life to save Cera's for them to become friends.
Title: Ali
Post by: LBTFan13 on March 26, 2008, 04:00:13 PM
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In my opinion, her distrust towards Ali was fueled when they rescued Littlefoot from the cave incident. I feel that Cera probably thought that Ali didn't even try to save Littlefoot and left him to die.


You make a very valid point...that probably is how Cera felt during the rescue, but then for Cera to overcome her jeaoulsy...it took Ali risking her life to save Cera's for them to become friends.
...and then once that event occured, Cera probably realized that Ali didn't really abandon Littlefoot. She really did try to save him, but she couldn't move all the rocks by herself.


On the subject of Ali and Rhette, I think not only could her relationship with Littlefoot have softened because she found another longneck to spend time with, but also the stories that he told her amazed her. She must not here much about children scaring off sharpteeth or creating a mountain with his tail. Maybe after hearing this, she fealt that Rhette was braver than Littlefoot. That could explain why she yellled at him for being jealous of Rhette:

"You're just jealous that you can't build a mountain with your tail..."


To shy away from Ali, Rhette's attitude kind of has an affect on Cera. In the episode where Cera creates the rockslide that scares away the sharpteeth, her dad doesn't give her the chance to explain to everyone that it really wasn't all her doing. Eventually, she begins to go along with this story and even becomes arrogant of herself, even more than usual because she began to change her story multiple times. It just seems to me that all of the characters, including Cera and Ali, are easily influenced by a story no matter how extreme it appears.
Title: Ali
Post by: Nick22 on March 26, 2008, 04:04:21 PM
The term is gullible. Rhette made up those stories ti impress her, and he repeated them so often thhat he began to believe it. It would be interesting to see how rhette changes over time.. From trying to monoploize ali's attention, to becoming a true friend. I don't know if we'll get to see that happen though, as the ending of the brave Longneck Svheme simply had them running off to play together, with no specifcs as to when the herd left.
Title: Ali
Post by: Kor on March 26, 2008, 05:39:05 PM
It would be interesting to see how Rhett is if they did a season 2 or another sequel.  Though many would like Ali and Littlefoot to eventually become mates likely, it's more likely now between Ali and Rhett since he travels with her and she sees him daily.  With Littlefoot she'd have to either leave her herd to be with him, or he'd have to leave the valley to be with her.  Not to mention his choice about maybe someday joining Bron's herd.
Title: Ali
Post by: The Great Valley Guardian on March 26, 2008, 05:43:06 PM
Quote from: LBTFan13,Mar 26 2008 on  03:00 PM

...and then once that event occured, Cera probably realized that Ali didn't really abandon Littlefoot. She really did try to save him, but she couldn't move all the rocks by herself.


On the subject of Ali and Rhette, I think not only could her relationship with Littlefoot have softened because she found another longneck to spend time with, but also the stories that he told her amazed her. She must not here much about children scaring off sharpteeth or creating a mountain with his tail. Maybe after hearing this, she fealt that Rhette was braver than Littlefoot. That could explain why she yellled at him for being jealous of Rhette:

"You're just jealous that you can't build a mountain with your tail..."


To shy away from Ali, Rhette's attitude kind of has an affect on Cera. In the episode where Cera creates the rockslide that scares away the sharpteeth, her dad doesn't give her the chance to explain to everyone that it really wasn't all her doing. Eventually, she begins to go along with this story and even becomes arrogant of herself, even more than usual because she began to change her story multiple times. It just seems to me that all of the characters, including Cera and Ali, are easily influenced by a story no matter how extreme it appears.
Yes, while you are correct in saying that Rhette told those stories to Ali...You have to wonder, while she was 'amazed' by them did she really believe him at first...I mean come on...let's be honest if someone told me they could build a mountain with their hands, (Or in this case tail) I'd have to look at them like they have completely lost their minds! But that's me....I'm not sure how anyone else would react, but Ali must have thought the same thing the very first time she heard those stories.
Title: Ali
Post by: Nick22 on March 26, 2008, 06:06:17 PM
The natural impluse there is incredulous. His relationship with Ali has tofore been built on his 'tales' She's stil his friend true, but they're basically at square one.
Title: Ali
Post by: Nick22 on March 31, 2008, 01:16:11 AM
o continue this Rhette's character really isn't built upon much. Where are his parents? how big was his herd? How did his herd meet up with Ali's and how long have the heres bnbeeen traveling togetgher? All questions that weren't answered..
Title: Ali
Post by: Malte279 on March 31, 2008, 04:27:06 AM
While I am not particularly fond of continuing much about Rhett, I think that answering these questions would provide material to include in a story featuring him. The lack of this information in the episode doesn't really seem like an argument against the continuation of this story. What I consider more important than the answering of these questions though is to give a bit more information on Rhett's character.
I don't think that being so self conscious as to back up himself with fibs (something we have seen in case of Mr. Thicknose already) is all that could be said about him. It would be interesting to know if he is always acting the way he does in the presence of Littlefoot and the others and if Ali is really a 100% convinced of his tales.
Title: Ali
Post by: Kor on March 31, 2008, 01:55:28 PM
It seem like Ali did believe Rhett totally.  Ali may not have met anyone who intentially lied to her before, I wonder if she'll remember this lesson, or forget it as happens often in juvenile fiction, and some other things where the characters keep forgetting the lessons they learn.

He may have thought Ali may not like him if he was just a normal kid.  It's not mentioned if he had either parent in the herd, or even where Ali's mother was, as I recall.  Some things about Rhett may be never said.  Some of the recurring characters have actually very little information known about them, and some of the main characters, since they are not the focus character that Littlefoot is.
Title: Ali
Post by: Littlefoot3897 on March 10, 2009, 06:42:41 PM
Ali was my favorite character since I was little and when I saw the episode with her returning I was very disappointed. The only thing thats good of this episode is that Ali actually accepted Chomper. Even though how she started out in the 4th movie all racist and then she became friends with different species but WITH A SHARPTOOTH? is kinda surpising . She accepted Chomper quickier then Cera and the others did. Besides Littlefoot who accept Chomper in the very beginning. The only problem with this episode is shes SO GOLIBLE. :anger
Title: Ali
Post by: Kor on March 10, 2009, 06:54:29 PM
Maybe her next appearance will be a better one.
Title: Ali
Post by: NaNaNa on March 10, 2009, 07:08:51 PM
There's always the possibility of Rhett's herd breaking up with Ali's herd because of, say, lack of food for one large pack. If something like this were the case, Ali would either make a new friend in her herd (for better or for worse) or expand her relationship with Littlefoot.

Either way, they shouldn't include Rhett in any later episodes solely because he was an annoying little brat. Not arrogant in the same way as Shorty or Cera; he was stupid and almost got Chomper killed.
Title: Ali
Post by: NeoGenesis005 on March 10, 2009, 08:53:02 PM
I say they should make episodes for Ali so she can gain a better relationship with the gang.
Title: Ali
Post by: Kor on March 10, 2009, 10:43:54 PM
That would be nice indeed if they were to do that.
Title: Ali
Post by: Littlefoot3897 on March 10, 2009, 11:05:57 PM
Universal hasn't said anything about the Land Before time TV series being canceled so it might go on. I think after the release of all the TV series DVDs
Title: Ali
Post by: Noname on April 05, 2009, 03:25:19 AM
On another note, why do you think Ali is so... dumb? I would like to call her naive, but there is a difference between believing a possible false claim, and believing a totally impossible claim, such as a young sauropod building a mountain of rocks with his tail.
Title: Ali
Post by: NeoGenesis005 on April 05, 2009, 07:17:00 PM
Quote from: Noname,Apr 5 2009 on  02:25 AM
On another note, why do you think Ali is so... dumb? I would like to call her naive, but there is a difference between believing a possible false claim, and believing a totally impossible claim, such as a young sauropod building a mountain of rocks with his tail.
your not lying at all she was or is be "simple" minded.
Title: Ali
Post by: raga on April 05, 2009, 10:49:58 PM
While the Ali in the tv series was pretty dumb the Ali from LBT4 wasn't stupid at all.  It is true that there were times where she didn't really think things through, but she wasn't dumb.
Title: Ali
Post by: Kor on April 05, 2009, 11:26:07 PM
To bad they did the personality change.
Title: Ali
Post by: pokeplayer984 on April 13, 2009, 04:59:36 PM
Would you guys believe me if I told you that, despite being one of the top side characters of LBT, some so called fans STILL don't know who Ali is? :o

Shocker! :blink:
Title: Ali
Post by: NeoGenesis005 on April 13, 2009, 05:13:17 PM
Quote from: pokeplayer984,Apr 13 2009 on  03:59 PM
Would you guys believe me if I told you that, despite being one of the top side characters of LBT, some so called fans STILL don't know who Ali is? :o

Shocker! :blink:
That's just sad.
Title: Ali
Post by: Nick22 on April 13, 2009, 05:43:27 PM
That is really said.. consider that after chomper, she's the most talked about side character..
Title: Ali
Post by: DarkWolf91 on April 13, 2009, 05:56:26 PM
I don't think Ali was portrayed so much as 'dumb' in the series. More extremely naive. Which could be called for, depending on how you interpret her behavior in the fourth movie. I don't know. I've never been much of an Ali fan.

As for believing the impossible being something more than naive, I was under the impression that naivete was in part denoted by the belief of seemingly impossible claims. Of course that would also have to be coupled with a lack of knowledge. Perhaps within her limited worldview, Rhett's claims don't seem so impossible.
Title: Ali
Post by: Malte279 on April 13, 2009, 06:43:33 PM
I don't know the context, but perhaps it has something to do with the spelling of her name as well. I recall when I first heard her name I thought she would be spelled Elly or the like. Ali was an oriental male name to me. So if someone writes about Ali in the web and others ask who Ali is, it may not in every case be unawareness of the character but rather unfamiliarity with the spelling. Then again I also think that a newer generation of fans (motivated mainly by the TV series) may not be as familiar with the early sequels (and even the original) and instead base their understanding of LBT on the later sequels and the series only (which would also explain their unawareness of Ali).
Title: Ali
Post by: Kor on April 13, 2009, 09:06:32 PM
It also depends on what movies are shown.   If they only show the latter ones they may have no idea who Ali is, the bullies, ect.
Title: Ali
Post by: Belmont2500 on August 14, 2009, 03:12:11 PM
well I liked Ali's voice in LBT4 her accent in the show wasn't bad but they screwed up her personality she's sopposed to be fearful and unoffenseive but in the TV show she's gullible and dumb not to mention she brags ALOT - something she never did in LBT4 they ruined her I mean sure it was better then ruining the main characters but why Ali why not Hyp or Doc or for the heck of it Shorty(although I think he's a cool character) if Ali is going to appear in another film then Universal should revert her back to her LBT4 self.
Title: Ali
Post by: jedi472 on August 14, 2009, 03:44:01 PM
Uh, Ali was bigoted in LBT 4. She wasn't anywhere near unoffensive in some cases. I don't think Ali was meant to be fearful or unoffensive, I think she was meant to introduce a little conflict among the gang. And when did she brag in her episode? I don't really remember her doing much of anything except being bland.
Title: Ali
Post by: Almaron on September 26, 2009, 04:47:38 AM
In regard to the whole "cousins" line, I always thought that Grandma Longneck meant cousins in a sort of species sense, in that they were both longneck (specifically apatosaurus) herds. Grandpa and Grandma Longneck haven't even met any of the herd before, and don't seem to know them very well when they talk to eachother. It could have been announced by a dinosaur near where they arrived, but that seems unlikely.

Besides, if Ali's and Littlefoot's herds were cousins, wouldn't the same have to be said for all or most of those (apatosaurus) herds? Is there any indication whether or not a herd is entirely made up of relatives or not? If each longneck is related in a herd, then someone would have to marry one of their cousins from another herd eventually. Or...wait, hang on, I mixed something up there. Darn. Oh well, I think you understand what I mean.

Actually, now that I think about it, Bron had a herd of non-relations, and Grandpa Longneck tells Littlefoot to join their herd if anything should happen to them. Ok, I think I went too far into this. But I still don't think Littlefoot and Ali are related.
Title: Ali
Post by: Noname on September 26, 2009, 01:21:53 PM
Well, Ali looks almost exactly like a female version of Littlefoot, except for her blue eyes. Quite a coincidence for totally unrelated dinosaurs. They are probably 4th cousins or more distant.
Title: Ali
Post by: Almaron on September 26, 2009, 04:00:20 PM
But so does just about every background character with their respective species (Every Hollowhorn and Clubtail looks the same). Of course, some of them are probably related, but not all of them, otherwise every dinosaur in the valley would be related. Many similarly coloured adult longnecks and threehorns are seen as background characters in the earlier films, and there is no indication from Grandpa or Grandma Longneck whether or not they are relations.
Title: Ali
Post by: Kor on September 26, 2009, 05:56:34 PM
In animation one has to realise the fact that some of the same species look the same since it is easier to do that, maybe using cells or cgi already existing to animated npc's and background characters.  So they may look alike for various reasons, for the stated above, the same variety of the same species, easier to animate, ect.

Some species may use the term cousin since who knows if they are related or not the way some herds mix, split, combine with other herds.  And there are some single dinos who live alone and maybe find a mate later, or may join a herd later, and a mix of these.  So Ali and Littlefoot may be distant cousins, or not related at all.
Title: Ali
Post by: Noname on September 26, 2009, 06:15:56 PM
Well, not only do they look alike, but the characters even commented on this. I don't think they would do this with just any two members of the same species.
Title: Ali
Post by: Pangaea on September 26, 2009, 07:48:14 PM
^ True, but how many young longnecks of Littlefoot's age had the gang seen up to that point? As far as we know, Ali was the first. (Evidently, Littlefoot's mother's assurance that there would be "many, many longnecks" in the Great Valley for her son to play with turned out to be incorrect. :p)
Title: Ali
Post by: Nick22 on September 27, 2009, 12:43:56 AM
Ali And Littlefoot are most likely distantly related. 3rd or 4th cousins. and while their families  are cousins it doesn't mean they are that close. for example, i don't know several of  my cousins all that well, and see them only on holidays. same principle applies here,,. grandpa and grandma don't know thier cousins all that well, due to long periods being apart..
Title: Ali
Post by: Serris on September 27, 2009, 12:45:40 AM
For all we know, we could only be seeing a small part of the Great Valley.

Perhaps there are other Longnecks in the Great Valley, it is just they are not shown.

As for the Ali being related to Littlefoot thing, I believe it is a coincidence that they look so similar and that they are totally unrelated.
Title: Ali
Post by: Noname on September 30, 2009, 05:28:18 PM
Either hypothesis is equal, as we have no way of knowing. It all comes down to interpretation; if "cousins" is literal or metaphoric. I believe that they are distantly related, like Bambi and his future mate Faline... who were "gulp" FIRST cousins!  :blink:

It is probably a lot nicer to believe that Ali and Littlefoot would not be entering into a consanguineous relationship...
Title: Ali
Post by: TITANOSAUR on August 30, 2010, 07:08:35 PM
lol I am the biggest Ali fan on the site. she's my most favorite charactor. its a shame she only got one appearance after so many years after LBT4. I never realy cared much for Ali x Littlefoot pairing. but I wouldn't mind it. everybody needs to remember, these are animals we are talkin about. they don't share the same taboos as we do.
Title: Ali
Post by: Adder on August 30, 2010, 07:15:54 PM
Quote from: TITANOSAUR,Aug 30 2010 on  06:08 PM
1) lol I am the biggest Ali fan on the site.
2) she's my most favorite charactor
3) its a shame she only got one appearance after so many years after LBT4.
4) I never realy cared much for Ali x Littlefoot pairing.
1) :neutral
2) Same here!
3) I know! I say that she should've appeared in every movie after this one.
4) I've always been hoping that they'd fall in love. (Yet another reason she could appear in all of them after 4)
Title: Ali
Post by: TITANOSAUR on August 30, 2010, 07:25:49 PM
Quote from: ScratteLover3,Aug 30 2010 on  05:15 PM
Quote from: TITANOSAUR,Aug 30 2010 on  06:08 PM
1) lol I am the biggest Ali fan on the site.
2) she's my most favorite charactor
3) its a shame she only got one appearance after so many years after LBT4.
4) I never realy cared much for Ali x Littlefoot pairing.
1) :neutral
2) Same here!
3) I know! I say that she should've appeared in every movie after this one.
4) I've always been hoping that they'd fall in love. (Yet another reason she could appear in all of them after 4)
1. lol
2. glad you agree!
3. I think she should have atleast appeared in atleast 3 or 4 sequils?
4. as I said, I wouldn't mind it. it defenantly be quite cute.
Title: Ali
Post by: Malte279 on August 31, 2010, 03:01:54 AM
With regard to the "cousin" formulation in LBT 4 I would be really interested in what other language versions say. In the German version they are referred to as "Verwandte" which literally means "relatives" but which in the given context comes across as nothing else but metaphorical referring to them being the same kind rather than consanguineous.
Honestly this is also the impression I had from the English version. Don't forget that grandpa longneck refers not to Ali and / or her mother in particular, but to an entire herd of dozens of different longnecks when he speaks of the "cousins".
Anyway, those of you who know the Spanish, Russian, Swedish, Finnish, Danish, Dutch, Portuguese, Polish and other language versions (I apologize for any languages in the GOF which I may have forgotten in this spontaneous list) of the movie, can you tell us what Littlefoot's grandpa says in your language and if it is clear on the one or the other interpretation or ambiguous about whether the herd of Ali is claimed to consist of consanguineous longnecks or if grandpa refers to them as members of the own kind?
Title: Ali
Post by: oogaboo on August 31, 2010, 07:26:40 AM
:huh: Who said they were cousins? Who says you can't have a relationship with your cousin? Einstein had a relationship with his first cousin. I never heard anything or anybody say they were related in anyway. The fourth movie, the episode, nor did the writers even mention that they are related.

From the way I see it, I don't think it should be too much of a concern.
Title: Ali
Post by: Adder on August 31, 2010, 07:31:25 AM
Quote from: oogaboo,Aug 31 2010 on  06:26 AM
I never heard anything or anybody say they were related in anyway. The fourth movie, the episode, nor did the writers even mention that they are related.
I remember Ali saying when her and Littlefoot first meet


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"I'm your cousion Littlefoot."


Or something like that, its been a while since I watched it, but I remember Ali saying that.
Title: Ali
Post by: Malte279 on August 31, 2010, 08:25:06 AM
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Who said they were cousins?
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I remember Ali saying when her and Littlefoot first meet
That's not right. The source of the claim is a statement of Littlefoot's grandpa when Littlefoot first tells him and grandma about the herd coming to the Valley. In that talk Littlefoot's grandfather says:
"They are our cousins Littlefoot" (I didn't check out the exact wording but I think this was it) which some interpreted literally while others interpreted cousin in this kind to be metaphorically to mean something like kinfold / kind.
Personally I tend towards the second interpretation. No other line than this one of Littlefoot's grandfather suggested any more direct relationship between them and any member of the herd. The "formal" way they welcomed the herd to the Valley surely didn't look like anyone in the herd knew either of Littlefoot's grandparents who were left to guessing about whether or not there would be other longneck kids in the herd.
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Who says you can't have a relationship with your cousin?
I don't and there are plenty of other examples for marriages between cousins.
However, I also think that many tend to read more into the (you already picked up the term I used so frequently myself oogaboo) sandboxlove between Littlefoot and Ali than their age, awareness, and maturity allow any basis for :rolleyes
Title: Ali
Post by: Kor on August 31, 2010, 11:21:48 AM
I always took it to mean cousin in the general term since they are all longnecks.  Taking into account  how some migrate and join this herd.  Some herds join up, some likely split up, and some may leave this herd to join that one, it would be hard to tell who is a 2nd, 3rd,  5th, ect cousin and who isn't.
Title: Ali
Post by: TITANOSAUR on August 31, 2010, 01:47:12 PM
I personaly don't think it would realy mattered if they WHERE related in the form of cousins if Littlefoot and Ali where to reach the point of growing an attraction to eachother when they get old enough. if mest one or the other can still atleast have a crush, but I don't think that is the case, I think for the moment they are just realy good friends. but again, when they get older they can most likely grow on thoughs feelings of mear sandbox love as Oogaboo and Malte have in mind.

as for Ali's future, I would have always felt she would take over the herd as leader and go back to the Great Valley. infact my own fanfic features that scenario.

I think, if Universal desides to make another movie, or makes a season 2 of the TV series, they should bring Ali back and bring her back to her roots as she was potrayed in the 4th movie.
Title: Ali
Post by: Noname on October 06, 2010, 05:20:49 PM
I made some pictures of what Ali might look like when she is an adult. They're on my DA page. Sadly, any speculation on her future will forever remain just that.
Title: Ali
Post by: Adder on October 06, 2010, 05:39:34 PM
Quote from: TITANOSAUR,Aug 31 2010 on  12:47 PM
I think, if Universal desides to make another movie, or makes a season 2 of the TV series, they should bring Ali back and bring her back to her roots as she was potrayed in the 4th movie.
I said the same thing once long before I joined gang of five, and knew about the fact that LBTXIV and Season 2 aren't happening. :cry
Title: Ali
Post by: Noname on October 06, 2010, 05:44:13 PM
That is correct. That said, we can reasonably speculate on a few facts. It is reasonable to imagine her becoming Littlefoot's mate, and possibly being the leader of her herd, given that the herd was led by an old female, there is probably little or no bias against female leadership among her herd.
Title: Ali
Post by: Nick22 on October 06, 2010, 11:33:35 PM
Noname makes good points, however if she becomes littlefoots mate, then her herd would have moved to the great Valley on a permanent basis- for safety reasons or just simply tired of moving around all the time.. if she becomes the leader at some point. Her mother seemed young enough in part 4 to be the next "old One"
Title: Ali
Post by: Malte279 on October 07, 2010, 05:46:14 AM
Reasonable it may be, but only in the cartoon world setting of the land before time. If we look at the facts from a more "down to earth" perspective there are a number of points that are easy to ignore but mostly so because the movies and episodes offer only short snippets from the life of the characters.
From what we actually see Littlefoot has seen Ali for two days in LBT 4 and one day in the TV episode. One can speculate of course on whether they stayed longer after the events of the TV episode (in case of the movie it is highly unlikely since we pretty much see Littlefoot's grandpa getting up from his "sick bed" only after Ali's departure) but speculation it would remain.
In the LBT world it is possible of course to become eternal friends even within a few hours and even with a sharptooth, but this of course is a very cartoonish setting.
I guess one point that made Ali so interesting was that she was the only ever other young longneck we saw (in spite of the original movie's promise of many young longnecks in the Great Valley) and I will not deny for a split second that some of the expressions were probably meant to suggest a sandbox love between the two very young characters.
It is mostly the absence of any other characters that could be interpreted that way that makes Ali so interesting in this respect however. The only other young longneck is Shorty, the young specimen of other characters are usually siblings or hatchlings and in case of Tippy the movie and sequel even disagree on whether he is a she or she a he (and the telletubbyish nature of the character in LBT 8 isn't helping either of course) :lol
Title: Ali
Post by: oogaboo on October 07, 2010, 06:56:01 PM
Speaking of Tippy's gender, I've always had that issue with certain characters. I explained that in Lets talk about Mo. But anyway, I first thought Tippy was a boy but in something else he is a she. My nephew, who is 6 by the way, thought Littlefoot was a girl and Ali was his sister. He asked me "how come Littlefoot has eyelashes and Cera doesn't?" I said "ask the artists."  

If you had Tweety, Tippy, Littlefoot, Mo, and Cera in the same room with the TV on mute would the kids be able to tell the difference as far as gender goes? :unsure:

I've always wondered what the life of Ali and her herd has gone through and been through from all the traveling they do. I think Ali's life has a few plotholes that need to be filled.
Title: Ali
Post by: Nick22 on January 06, 2011, 04:53:44 PM
thats a good point oobago, they should be filled but they won't be..
Title: Ali
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on December 03, 2011, 03:30:21 PM
I love, simply love, the Allie of movie 4. But I hate the one of the TV series. They completely changed her from the Allie we know and love to Rhett's bitch. She wasn't even the same gorgeous pink she was in 4. Guess we'll just have to stick with Allie's original appearence unless Universal brings LBT back and Allie reappears.
Title: Ali
Post by: NewOrder on November 12, 2015, 08:19:03 AM
I've rewatched Journey Through the Mist last night, it's still to this day my favourite Land Before Time sequel.

I've always seen Ali as Littlefoot's romantic interest, even though we are talking about puppy love. For me there are a few reasons that explain this great Ali mythos that the fandom created throughout the years, the first was the promise of her return. We didn't have that with Chomper or any of the other guest characters. The other, is that besides the original movie, this was the only sequel to end with a flashback, but it wasn't about the gang's adventures, it was about Littlefoot and Ali, it was always about Littlefoot and Ali.

"Maybe we'll all live together someday..."

Every new sequel that came along, I always hoped it featured Ali. I was very excited when she returned in the TV series, I remember staying up all night to watch the episode the next morning after seeing the preview. I was disappointed by the way they portrayed her character, and because she had hardly any screen time. It sounded like they just brought her back to fulfill the narrator's promise at the end of LBT4.

I believe that Roy Allen Smith had a plan for the rest of TLBT sequels, and some that included Ali, unfortunately, we'll never see his vision of what TLBT could've been. I've always envisioned Ali as part of the gang, and as someone who would join them eventually.

I seriously doubt that she'll be in TLBT XIV, and we'll probably never see her again, even if they do make more sequels or even a new TV series. But if she does come back I hope it's in a way that honors her character in LBT4.

As for the whole cousins thing, Littlefoot's grandparents just use that word because they are fellow longnecks of the same species. They even say that they're a migrating herd and that they don't know who they are or where they come from. If they were in fact related they wouldn't have called the old one by that name, but by her real name, after all, there are no titles when it comes to family.

But even if they are cousins, that wouldn't be a problem in the animal kingdom, or even in animation. Remember that Simba and Nala were half siblings since they shared the same father :p

Do you guys think that we'll ever get to see Ali again? And if we do, we'll she be more like her character in the TV series or in LBT4?
Title: Ali
Post by: Dr. Rex on November 12, 2015, 07:18:52 PM
Quote from: NewOrder,Nov 12 2015 on  07:19 AM
Do you guys think that we'll ever get to see Ali again? And if we do, we'll she be more like her character in the TV series or in LBT4?
If they keep up the sequels after 14, then anything's possible. As for her character, well, wishfully thinking, I do hope she'll be more like her character in 4.
Title: Ali
Post by: NewOrder on November 13, 2015, 06:23:36 AM
I hope so too.

The Land Before Time is my favourite movie of all time. Every time someone asks me what's my favourite movie that's my answer. However, it was Journey Through the Mists and Ali's character that got me hooked to the franchise.

To take away that mythos, and such an important character from the film series would be shameful. However, I don't believe Universal cares much about continuity in the LBT franchise.

But if there are new sequels, there will always be hope.
Title: Ali
Post by: Ducky123 on November 13, 2015, 04:51:13 PM
I love Ali :D

I really do hope she will return in a future sequel. I'm quite sure there will be more movies after LBT 14. In 14 they bring back Bron and Shorty (probably). So in 15 they bring back Ali? Maybe permanently? Well, I can still dream, right :p
Title: Ali
Post by: Dr. Rex on November 14, 2015, 05:42:35 PM
Quote from: Ducky123,Nov 13 2015 on  03:51 PM
I really do hope she will return in a future sequel. I'm quite sure there will be more movies after LBT 14. In 14 they bring back Bron and Shorty (probably). So in 15 they bring back Ali? Maybe permanently? Well, I can still dream, right :p
It could work. Children aren't that oblivious to romance, so this could be a good opportunity to give them some life lessons about love if they ever decide to pair Littlefoot up with Ali.
Title: Ali
Post by: Sneak on November 14, 2015, 07:06:48 PM
after return of LBT and return of Bron,  there's chances to see Ali in next movies. :D

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also, am I only who thinks if boy and girl both has the same species: Littlefoo/Ali, or the same size: Petrie/Ducky and (wat? srsl? O_o) Littlefoot/Cera, it doesn't mean they are/would be pair.
srsl, sometimes simple close friendship is good enough! :D
Title: Ali
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on November 14, 2015, 09:28:28 PM
Quote from: NewOrder,Nov 12 2015 on  07:19 AM



I believe that Roy Allen Smith had a plan for the rest of TLBT sequels, and some that included Ali, unfortunately, we'll never see his vision of what TLBT could've been.
Well, he doesn't write the sequels, so the fact that Ali never returned in one isn't necessarily the result of RAS leaving.
Title: Ali
Post by: NewOrder on November 16, 2015, 06:10:56 AM
That wasn’t my point. I was stating that as a director and producer RAS had a plan for the future sequels after LBT IV. The writers are the ones responsible for the story, however, it’s the executive producer and the director who decide how the story goes, its tone, and the overall theme.

Do any of you guys know why RAS left the franchise?
Title: Ali
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on November 16, 2015, 02:44:02 PM
Quote from: NewOrder,Nov 16 2015 on  05:10 AM
That wasn’t my point. I was stating that as a director and producer RAS had a plan for the future sequels after LBT IV. The writers are the ones responsible for the story, however, it’s the executive producer and the director who decide how the story goes, its tone, and the overall theme.

Do any of you guys know why RAS left the franchise?
There's actually a discussion on this.

http://z7.invisionfree.com/thegangoffive/i...showtopic=15062 (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=14697)
Title: Ali
Post by: NewOrder on November 25, 2015, 07:31:51 AM
I've rewatched The Brave Longneck Scheme last night and I've noticed that Ali's character hardly gets any screen time.

She's not that different from the original LBT IV Ali. Sure, she's gullible for believing Rhett, and that completely makes no sense, but as we see when she almost cries after Rhett runs away, that she was like that because she liked him and was under his spell, of sorts.

When she meets Chomper she accepts him right away, and she ends up playing with the gang like old times. Still, the writers had a lot more ground to explore in that episode and it ended up being just a Rhett episode, instead of an Ali episode.

Oh well, let's see if her character has any chance for a revival in any future sequel.
Title: Ali
Post by: Dr. Rex on December 27, 2015, 09:29:34 PM
Quote from: NewOrder,Nov 25 2015 on  06:31 AM
I've rewatched The Brave Longneck Scheme last night and I've noticed that Ali's character hardly gets any screen time.

She's not that different from the original LBT IV Ali. Sure, she's gullible for believing Rhett, and that completely makes no sense, but as we see when she almost cries after Rhett runs away, that she was like that because she liked him and was under his spell, of sorts.

When she meets Chomper she accepts him right away, and she ends up playing with the gang like old times. Still, the writers had a lot more ground to explore in that episode and it ended up being just a Rhett episode, instead of an Ali episode.

Oh well, let's see if her character has any chance for a revival in any future sequel.
Huh, that's interesting. So it wasn't characterization that was the major problem; it was SCREENTIME.

That's more excusable to me, since we're talking about a TV episode and not a movie.
Title: Ali
Post by: NewOrder on January 10, 2016, 01:27:28 PM
Exactly. I can't speak for everyone else on this forum, however, for most of the time I base my arguments on my memories of the movies/TV show, some times after not watching them for a while.

Rewatching this episode in particular one can see how Ali's character is basically sidelined throughout the whole thing. She needs more screen time for us to actually see how much her character has developed.
Title: Ali
Post by: DaveTheAnalyzer on October 30, 2016, 03:12:22 PM
Forgive the word vomit ahead, but since I’m working on a fic that revolves around Ali, I have many thoughts about her that came up while writing her and surprisingly only a little has anything to do with romance.

As others have noted, Ali is a bit of a mischief maker, with biting Littlefoot's tail, making faces, and tagging him it out of nowhere. It seems she has a taste for these games of mischief and it's pretty cute.

She can also be pretty brave. From being willing to accompany Littlefoot on the journey to cure Grandpa Longneck, to having to go back to the Great Valley on her own to get help for Littlefoot, and saving Cera by riding a giant crocodile, she has done some pretty bold things.

What is also interesting is what she doesn't say. When Littlefoot expresses disappointment his friends went home after he played with Ali, she vaguely says "I guess" while looking away. When Ali accepts she'll accompany Littlefoot on the Night Flower mission, she dissuades him from bringing the others along, saying they would slow them down. Ali doesn't want to have his friends around but she’s too polite to outright say it, so she speaks vaguely and attempts to distract Littlefoot to get off the subject. It seems she has been taught to hold her tongue when she has something nice to say. Though it doesn’t stick with her through all her interactions, it kicks into effect when Littlefoot’s friends come up.

I agree implicit prejudice might be the source of Ali’s nervousness but there’s another cause that’s overlooked. Her herd is migratory and comes from the Land of Mists. There are a lot of dangers in both arenas, so she probably had it drilled into her to not approach different kinds. They might be sneaky predators or potentially hostile or manipulative herds, so she can only interact with other longnecks. At least their ways are more familiar to the Old One’s herds, though I wouldn’t be surprised if she was told to have some caution for stranger longnecks as well.

So when Ali ran into Cera and the others, she probably knows logically Cera and the others wouldn’t really hurt her but those lessons of caution made her automatically freeze up in fear. She couldn’t really shake it off until Littlefoot got trapped in the cave. When presented with the choice of either letting Littlefoot die on the other side or getting help from Cera and the others, she got some perspective on what is really important in the situation and pushed her fears aside to retrieve their help. How she interacts with them thereafter indicates she was trying to make up for her behavior and when Cera accepts her friendship, she must have felt really happy.

As can be seen when Ali wonders if there’s anything she and her mother could do about Grandpa Longneck’s ailment, she does sincerely want to help Littlefoot. Even when she hesitated Littlefoot’s request, it seemed to be more about attempting to get over the caution her herd drilled into her. She tries to help him with what she knows, but it’s interesting how Ali doesn’t reveal the true extent of her knowledge until the expedition comes across a snag. I don’t believe it’s out of malice. She probably thought she remembered enough they could wing it and discover other helpful details along the way. She doesn’t want to curse their luck by admitting aloud her knowledge gaps.

In concern with Ali’s depiction in the TV series, the other posters do make some good points. She only did know the gang for three or four day while she probably was in Rhett’s presence for months at least. As for why Ali believed his lies…I kind of think she went through what Doctor Who’s Donna went through after her initial one-off appearance. Though it was only for a couple days, Ali went through an intense adventure with some fellow youths that changed her views of the world and she was happy with. The intense bonds shared through such an experience is probably something she discovered she loved and treasured deeply.

And then the day after she leaves the valley…she’s back in the same routine. The herd must travel from point A to point B, she shouldn’t wander far, be cautious of strangers, etc. She tries to make friends with what fellow youths might be there but she has a hard time connecting with them while remaining true to herself. At some point, she probably became lonely and began making compromises so she can make some friends. So when Rhett came around with his tall tales and an interest in making friends, Ali might have willed herself to think that her adventures with Littlefoot’s gang prove that other youths battling enemies isn’t that farfetched.

It’s clear from scenes in the episode Ali isn’t always comfortable with how he takes charge, but probably reasoned to make due with what friends you can get. Hopefully after the episode, when all the facts become clear, she’ll relearn to be bold and that there are some things she shouldn’t compromise about herself. She and Rhett might still be friends, but maybe she'll be the one leading the games and adventures they get up to. That’s what I hope for, anyway.

I’m aware Ali was likely intended to be a love interest for Littlefoot. Nevertheless, I found Ali and Cera’s interactions the most interesting, to the point to I kind of ship those two instead. I’m not much of a shipper, but when I am, I’m usually biased toward the queer side of things ;)
Title: Ali
Post by: Ducky123 on October 30, 2016, 05:49:16 PM
This is a very good post there, Dave. I think you're wearing your name rightfully, haha :lol

What kind of fanfiction are you working on if you dont mind me asking? I'm also working on a Fanfiction that has Ali as one of the main characters and it also made me greatly rethink about her character. I also let her have quite a few mischievous moments by the way :lol

I'm sometimes struggling to take the tv-series Ali serious. She's a whole new character in that episode, it's hard to explain all these changes in her character logically. Your interpretation seems legit though, I do agree that Ali seems to be friends with Rhett because it's the only friend that she could have who is always with her in the herd (it doesn't seem like there are any other children in the Old One's herd) - therefore submitting to Rhett in order to have a friend and not be lonely at the cost of hearing his crap every now and then (sorry, his stories are crappy though that's probably just in-character for him :p) and playing the games that he likes.
Title: Ali
Post by: ADFan185 on October 30, 2016, 08:18:50 PM
I thought she was a alright character in her one and only movie she was in. She made have been a racist in a way towards the of the gang but she turned it around in the end. So I didn't dispise her that much.
Title: Ali
Post by: DaveTheAnalyzer on October 31, 2016, 12:14:41 PM
@Ducky123

It’s a story where Ali saves Rhett from a threat and gets her courage back in the process. Basically trying to make some lemonade out of the lemons that many consider her TV reappearance and it was challenging but fun to write. It was basically two dares to myself - “write a story about Ali that doesn’t involve romance” and “make her a main character.” The latter helps to make you see how developed a character is and, if they aren’t, try to develop them into lead material. I think Ali already has plenty going for her but I did have to do some extrapolation. It won’t be posted for a few months. Got to post something else first.

I sometimes enjoy the challenge of gelling two inconsistent characterizations together. It can develop the character and make them interesting. I’m glad that my rambling might have helped you with your stories. It’s why I do them, to help myself get a clear grasp of a character I’m going to write.

@ADRFan185

I thought she was just alright too until I decided to make a story around her. Then I studied her onscreen behavior and wrote her, and it was much more fun than I thought it would be. So she’s climbed up a bit in the characters I like.

Your mention of her prejudice did bring up the interesting scenario of how she might react to fellow herd members expressing prejudice towards other dinosaurs. I can see her struggling to call that out. Some might be receptive to her criticisms but others might just rebuff her.
Title: Ali
Post by: ADFan185 on November 01, 2016, 08:25:50 AM
Yeah true but like I said at the end she realized her wrong doing and she now accepts everyone witch is good. And her song was actually pretty good to be honest. Yeah I like to try to give her the benefit of the doubt. But her story about not meeting different kinds of dinosaurs made me think she could've taken the high road and not been that way towards LittleFoot and the gang.
Title: Ali
Post by: Ducky123 on November 01, 2016, 10:20:09 AM
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It’s a story where Ali saves Rhett from a threat and gets her courage back in the process. Basically trying to make some lemonade out of the lemons that many consider her TV reappearance and it was challenging but fun to write. It was basically two dares to myself - “write a story about Ali that doesn’t involve romance” and “make her a main character.” The latter helps to make you see how developed a character is and, if they aren’t, try to develop them into lead material. I think Ali already has plenty going for her but I did have to do some extrapolation. It won’t be posted for a few months. Got to post something else first.

I sometimes enjoy the challenge of gelling two inconsistent characterizations together. It can develop the character and make them interesting. I’m glad that my rambling might have helped you with your stories. It’s why I do them, to help myself get a clear grasp of a character I’m going to write.
Interesting, sounds like a story I'll find interesting to read :D You sound like you know very well what you're doing when you work on stories. I have yet to read the stuff that you posted so far on here though  :angel
Title: Ali
Post by: LBT90321 on January 16, 2017, 06:15:31 PM
Ali to me may grow into an adult longneck and look like littlefoot's mother in face
Title: Ali
Post by: ADFan185 on January 16, 2017, 06:52:22 PM
Maybe one day we'll see Ali again in another movie since she had good personality
Title: Ali
Post by: Coyote_A on January 16, 2017, 06:55:04 PM
Quote from: LBT90321,Jan 17 2017 on  02:15 AM
Ali to me may grow into an adult longneck and look like littlefoot's mother in face
Seeing how she and Littlefoot look very much alike (at least in LBT4 they do)... It's a possibility, yeah.
Title: Ali
Post by: ADFan185 on January 16, 2017, 06:59:18 PM
Seeing how fans made a lot of shippings with those two also
Title: Ali
Post by: LBT90321 on January 16, 2017, 07:02:47 PM
Im not sure but I believe before lbt 4 was made the producers had ideas about a female littlefoot
So Ali is littlefoot as a girl. She was drawn with pinker brown colors, blue or gray eyes, and eyelashes(seen clearly)
And because both of them are longnecks they will be giants when they become adults.
Title: Ali
Post by: Coyote_A on January 16, 2017, 07:34:07 PM
Quote from: ADFan185,Jan 17 2017 on  02:59 AM
Seeing how fans made a lot of shippings with those two also
I don't see what this has to do with Ali looking like Littlefoot's... Wait. He likes Ali because she reminds him of his mom? That's kind of sad, but also unfortunately makes a lot of sense. :(
Title: Ali
Post by: Dracorider19 on May 01, 2017, 01:53:18 AM
I do see Ali and Littlefoot's relationship as cute, though I am indifferent to the idea of shipping them. It is likely she was meant to be some sort of love interest, given how she's essentially a female version of Littlefoot.
So while I don't ship them, I am open to the possibility that they could become a couple as they grow up, or remain just friends. I'm also open to the idea that they could simply remain single. Also, it was a bummer that Ali did not appear in the 10th film, since the film was about a longneck migration, so it's a wonder as to why she didn't appear.
Title: Ali
Post by: Sneak on May 19, 2017, 07:20:33 AM
random note:

I NEVER considered Ali as Littlefoot's cousin, and I was huge surprised when I read it here.
It's quite ridiculous, because it is obviously when Grandpa said Ali's herd are their cousins, he obviously could not mean THE WHOLE herd!!! Just few members, I guess...

Was it confirmed somewhere that Ali's family is Longneck family's cousins?
Title: Ali
Post by: Sovereign on May 19, 2017, 11:31:00 AM
As far as I recall, this whole thing was left extremely vague in the film. It seems like Littlefoot's Grandparents know the Old One somehow but otherwise it seems like Ali's herd is just some random Farwalker group. If the two families/herds knew each other better, they could and should have shown it in the film and in the case this is their first meeting, it's a small wonder the Grandparents know about their kinship at all.
Title: Ali
Post by: Gentle Sharptooth on June 23, 2017, 01:38:59 AM
Ali has certainly become a cult favorite character. I found her song "It Takes All Sorts" both catchy and fitting for this day and age. I personally think she is one of better guest characters (a close second Etta in LBT XIV). I don't consider Chomper a guest character but a regular thanks to the Series and Journey of the Brave.
Title: Ali
Post by: ADFan185 on June 23, 2017, 05:20:10 AM
Yeah I did like her anti racism Song also since it's her way of being more tolerant twowards the other species of dinosaurs she's encountered. It has a nice melody to it also. She only was in one movie should have been in more but I liked her a lot.
Title: Ali
Post by: Gentle Sharptooth on June 23, 2017, 05:24:12 AM
Quote from: ADFan185,Jun 23 2017 on  04:20 AM
Yeah I did like her anti racism Song also since it's her way of being more tolerant twowards the other species of dinosaurs she's encountered. It has a nice melody to it also. She only was in one movie should have been in more but I liked her a lot.
She needs to be in the next sequel. Since Chomper and Ruby have been featured in LBT XIV, it would be nice to see Ali in LB XV (if one is made).
Title: Ali
Post by: LBT90321 on June 23, 2017, 09:06:52 AM
It would be nice to see Ali in a movie again
Title: Ali
Post by: ADFan185 on June 23, 2017, 09:07:19 AM
Yes yes she does if the new movie ever happens atleast she was in one movie tho I guess that's good enough but hopefully she'll appear in the next one.
Title: Ali
Post by: Gentle Sharptooth on June 24, 2017, 05:41:45 AM
Quote from: ADFan185,Jun 23 2017 on  08:07 AM
Yes yes she does if the new movie ever happens atleast she was in one movie tho I guess that's good enough but hopefully she'll appear in the next one.
We shall have to wait in see. If she ends up in only one film, at least fans will always have Journey Through The Mists.
Title: Re: Ali
Post by: RainbowFaceProtege on May 14, 2020, 04:45:53 PM
I remember not liking Ali much when I was younger due to her initial prejudice against Littlefoot's friends. However, since then, my opinion of her has improved. This was her character arc, after all--later on in the movie, she realized, "It takes all sorts." And even when she was prejudiced, they played it not in an obnoxious/snobbish way (i.e., Cera in the first movie) but as a misguided fear, the result of living a sheltered life among one type of dinosaur only. Despite this fear, she was willing to go straight to the rest of the Gang for help when Littlefoot was in trouble, and she warmed up to them from there.

Even though Littlefoot+Ali isn't a ship I was ever very excited about, they're cute together, and I think it's pretty safe to say Ali was intended to be Littlefoot's love interest. I mean, there was that whole montage of Littlefoot and Ali scenes at the end of the movie, and how many one-off characters have gotten that sort of montage? That's right, just one, and you guessed her. :p
Title: Re: Ali
Post by: Ducky123 on May 14, 2020, 04:58:06 PM
Ali is my second favourite character in the series and I really wish she got better development in later installments.

I totally DO ship her with Littlefoot :lol
Title: Re: Ali
Post by: Gentle Sharptooth on May 23, 2020, 01:05:20 AM
I remember not liking Ali much when I was younger due to her initial prejudice against Littlefoot's friends. However, since then, my opinion of her has improved. This was her character arc, after all--later on in the movie, she realized, "It takes all sorts." And even when she was prejudiced, they played it not in an obnoxious/snobbish way (i.e., Cera in the first movie) but as a misguided fear, the result of living a sheltered life among one type of dinosaur only. Despite this fear, she was willing to go straight to the rest of the Gang for help when Littlefoot was in trouble, and she warmed up to them from there.

Even though Littlefoot+Ali isn't a ship I was ever very excited about, they're cute together, and I think it's pretty safe to say Ali was intended to be Littlefoot's love interest. I mean, there was that whole montage of Littlefoot and Ali scenes at the end of the movie, and how many one-off characters have gotten that sort of montage? That's right, just one, and you guessed her. :p

Good point about the montage. I always felt Ali was meant for Littlefoot too. After seeing “The Great Longneck Scheme,” I think Ali has reconsidered Rhett as a mate. He had lied to her and caused such a debacle, while Littlefoot did what he thought would expose the truth to Ali. Littlefoot is about truth, Rhett lied, easy chouce.
Title: Re: Ali
Post by: OwlsCantRead on May 23, 2020, 01:09:38 AM
Even though Littlefoot+Ali isn't a ship I was ever very excited about, they're cute together, and I think it's pretty safe to say Ali was intended to be Littlefoot's love interest. I mean, there was that whole montage of Littlefoot and Ali scenes at the end of the movie, and how many one-off characters have gotten that sort of montage? That's right, just one, and you guessed her. :p
The song that plays over that montage is literally called "Together Someday" in the OST. :wub :OhYou
Title: Re: Ali
Post by: Gentle Sharptooth on May 23, 2020, 01:11:55 AM
Even though Littlefoot+Ali isn't a ship I was ever very excited about, they're cute together, and I think it's pretty safe to say Ali was intended to be Littlefoot's love interest. I mean, there was that whole montage of Littlefoot and Ali scenes at the end of the movie, and how many one-off characters have gotten that sort of montage? That's right, just one, and you guessed her. :p
The song that plays over that montage is literally called "Together Someday" in the OST. :wub :OhYou

I am Team Ali+Littlefoot all the way!  :olittlefoot :PAli 💖
Title: Re: Ali
Post by: RainbowFaceProtege on May 23, 2020, 06:02:16 PM
Even though Littlefoot+Ali isn't a ship I was ever very excited about, they're cute together, and I think it's pretty safe to say Ali was intended to be Littlefoot's love interest. I mean, there was that whole montage of Littlefoot and Ali scenes at the end of the movie, and how many one-off characters have gotten that sort of montage? That's right, just one, and you guessed her. :p
The song that plays over that montage is literally called "Together Someday" in the OST. :wub :OhYou

Hmm, more food for thought! Good catch!

You know, during my recent rewatch of LBT IV, it hit me that maybe people have interpreted the movie's ending wrong all this time. "Yes, Littlefoot and Ali would meet again someday...but that's another story." Maybe that didn't mean they'd meet again in another movie--maybe it was a hint that they'd cross paths further into the future and become MATES! :wow
Title: Re: Ali
Post by: Gentle Sharptooth on May 23, 2020, 06:07:49 PM
Ali makes a good partner to Littlefoot, she’s cautious and yet strong willed. Littlefoot is more care free and tolerant (unless its determental like Rhett’s lies). They are quite a pair. Ali+Littlefoot Forever!
Title: Re: Ali
Post by: Tails77 on March 07, 2021, 01:41:59 PM
I don't know if this was discussed already, but did anyone else think Ali's herd was a cult?

it's been awhile since I saw the fourth movie, but I remember getting some strange vibes from the Old One

and the way they moved about from place to place and implied the possibility of the Great Valley falling just kind of sent me messages like "the end the near!"

idk, I just remeber getting some doomsday vibes from them, that's all..

what do you guys think?
Title: Re: Ali
Post by: Sneak on March 07, 2021, 06:29:50 PM
hmm
Yes, Old One told wisdom, idea that Valley will change someday as Land of Mists, as many other lands, and it can give you vibe about future "apocalypse" of course, since we, people, know what fate will dinosaur kind and planet eventually met, but I never thought about something like "CULT" was in Old One's herd.
Title: Re: Ali
Post by: Gentle Sharptooth on March 10, 2021, 04:40:06 PM
I don't know if this was discussed already, but did anyone else think Ali's herd was a cult?

it's been awhile since I saw the fourth movie, but I remember getting some strange vibes from the Old One

and the way they moved about from place to place and implied the possibility of the Great Valley falling just kind of sent me messages like "the end the near!"

idk, I just remeber getting some doomsday vibes from them, that's all..

what do you guys think?

I myself didn’t get the cult vibes, I did get a sense they were exclusive, i.e. Ali only wanted to relate to longnecks at first.

But an interesting thought. Migrating a lot would sustain a cult mentality.
Title: Re: Ali
Post by: Dr. Rex on March 17, 2021, 03:57:11 AM
I don't know if this was discussed already, but did anyone else think Ali's herd was a cult?

it's been awhile since I saw the fourth movie, but I remember getting some strange vibes from the Old One

and the way they moved about from place to place and implied the possibility of the Great Valley falling just kind of sent me messages like "the end the near!"

idk, I just remeber getting some doomsday vibes from them, that's all..

what do you guys think?
I've honestly never thought of it that way. From what I remember, Ali's herd used to settle in the Land of Mists, but when the mists took over and brought all kinds of danger, that was when they started to migrate. I think they just had a bad first impression of settling in one place, believing that staying in one place for too long was bound to render them vulnerable to all kinds of threats sooner or later.
Title: Re: Ali
Post by: Gentle Sharptooth on March 25, 2021, 01:31:35 PM
Ali’s herd was basically like Life RVers, always on the move. ;)
Title: Re: Ali
Post by: Dr. Rex on April 07, 2021, 06:39:19 PM
Ali’s herd was basically like Life RVers, always on the move. ;)
Pretty much.
Title: Re: Ali
Post by: Gentle Sharptooth on April 08, 2021, 12:23:18 AM
I just discovered the night flower exists:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night-blooming_cereus
Title: Re: Ali
Post by: Dr. Rex on June 27, 2021, 02:37:42 AM
I just discovered the night flower exists:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night-blooming_cereus
Oh, WOW. :O

I wonder if the writers actually researched a variety of flowers and found this to use as inspiration.