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The Land Before Time => Land Before Time TV Series (2007) => Episode Discussion => Topic started by: Chikara on August 17, 2007, 10:57:05 AM
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Okay, so I switched on LBT on British TV today expecting re-runs, and came across this. Seems British TV is getting episodes before anyone else. Makes a change.
This episode is very much about Spike. You can hear what Spike is thinking a lot of the time, and you see through his eyes too. Quite a few insights into Spike's character.
The plot goes: On the first day of the cold time, Mr. Thinknose tells the gang about Hard Water Sweets (frozen grapes), and the gang set off on an adventure to find them.
Songs - Adventuring (Spike version), Follow Me (same tune as Remembering).
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I've never heard of that episode. Hmm...
Did you actually saw it? :unsure:
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What in tarnation.... Has anyone else on this board from Europe seen this episode? I've never heard ANYTHING about this episode. Truly bazaar.
Chikara, what channel was it, and what was the time? Because I'm sure I'm not the only one on this board who wants to know more about this mystery episode.
EDIT: Also, it seems Chikara somehow got a British television channel in the USA.
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I know this one! I was told about it by Aria and her mum last year I was told not to tell anyone. this is the one I look forward to getting to watch... It about Spike point of view of the world it is Episode 26. the last one, which means the UK...
THE UK has Aired ALL 26 episodes!!! That is... amazing, Look like the UK HQ of CN took it more serious then the USA, well the sister channel of CN in the UK Boomerang. that is simply amazing to hear this.
I got to keep a eye out for it when I get back to the UK if I can get Boomerang, they sure to rerun a fair few of them again
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*gets out battle axe* Time to beat up some site to get some info and mabey even some videos!
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I'm sure I'll find all eps eventually. :(
*****! I really want them all!
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Looks like the UK aired all episodes.
And maybe in the correct order? :blink:
*gets two swords* Wait for me Manny Cav. :lol
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I don't get British TV in USA, I live in Scotland, lol.
LBT is showing on Boomerang here. 2 episodes at 3pm every weekday.
The way they did it was, they've been showing re-runs of the first 13 episodes. Then they started advertising "new episodes", which must be then last 13 since they started with Missing Fast-Water Adventure and went back to it after showing this.
It seems like they are showing the episodes in prduction order.
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Really? We get to hear everything from Spike's Point of View for the final ep? Well there's a nice way to end it all! :^.^:
*takes out a machine gun* Right behind ya, Manny Cav! :D
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Hopefully they'll air this episode in the US pretty soon.
"summons a keyblade" Wait for me, guys.
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Wait a minute, we hear spike's thoughts in this? As his voice? He can speak in his thoughts?
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That what I was told, we hear Spike talking in it from what i know of and see what he hears from the other friends around him. From what I know of from what I been told he hears something like dinosaur sounds or something like that from the others but hear some words. well that what I was told any how. Since it been aired I can tell you what I know.
I only got told this by Aria and her mum, they told me not to tell anyone till it been aired at least in one country.
I have to see this one for myself when it comes out hopfully and they might bring out all 26 episodes on DVD soon :) one a month or something like that :) still I will be getting those episodes on the DVD :)
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I wonder if we'll ever see an episode that's along the lines of Through the Eyes of a Non-Chomper Sharptooth...
This episodes sound somewhat interesting, though.
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Hmm...the first day of cold time?
Could this episode be right after "The Bright Circle Celebration"?
Haven't seen all episodes though.
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I was kinda shocked to see this episode aired on Boomerang. Kinda weird to hear that the UK would be one of the first to show it. Normally the US holds the reins for episode preimeres! From what I've heard, this particular episode was supposed to be one of the last ones in the current series! I'm not too sure how much solid ground that statement rests upon but it was a good episode I thought :^.^:
Finally, an insight into the world of Spike! I won't give away any details for those who wish to see it who haven't already but I really liked this one! :DD The portrayal was very good I thought. ;)
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I actually look forward to this episode, but to Manny Cav you guys are not starting without me! :D
*Grabs Rocket Luancher* Hello old friend! :lol
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@Littlefoot1616
Wait, wait, wait.
You watched it already?
So there could be a download availible soon. =)
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I have searched the web, but I have been unable to find anything as of yet. I'll keep an eye out, though. Too bad I don't have bots to do some of the work for me like some here.... ;)
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@Littlefoot1616
Wait, wait, wait.
You watched it already?
So there could be a download availible soon. =)
Yeah I've seen it already but sadly, I don't have the facilities to process the episodes. Sorry peeps! :( Still, give it some time and you'll get to see it. I hope it comes soon for you guys, somehow I'm sensing a riot approaching... :P:
...............what's that whistling sound like an incoming mortar? :DD
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I live in the UK but don't have the right channel so i still miss the episodes. i've only seen episodes 1-20 cos of the saiour who uploaded them on youtube. i want to see the others too :cry
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*grows sharp claws & a tail with a blade at the end*
Wait up, Manny!
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guys (pull out pistol) wait for me! we"re gonna mess up boomerang!
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Official Air Date: Janurary 23, 2008.
At long last, we get to hear Spike. Who knows what he has to say, though? :)
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Some will likely have to wait longer then others.
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i hope for you american guys!
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well this eppy finally aired on the US, and this one surpises me.
I loved how they protrayed spike in the eppy, and whatever he doesn't say is heard through his mind. I found it funny when he hears the others through incoharent babble x3
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It sounds like an interesting episode.
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Wow! This really changed my perspective on Spike.
Spike can hardly understand anyone. The only things he does understand when the others speak are either food or name related. It's no wonder he doesn't speak, he can hardly even understand quite a number of words.
In that sense, I feel sorry for Spike. He may be doomed to not speaking at all.
Yet, it was strange. We heard his thoughts in perfect english through a good portion of the ep. It's no wonder why he thinks of food so much, it's practically calling him. No wonder he's such a glutton. :lol:
This new realization of Spike may very well threaten the position of several of the charcters within my Top 10 List.
The songs coming out of Spike's mind was interesting, to say the least. Of course, you guys know how I feel about the overdone rip-offs. Yet, the second one was kinda nice.
All in all, a good episode. One I wouldn't mind watching again. :)
Well, that's it! I've seen all 26 episodes.
I'll see ya all later! :^.^:
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still waiting to see this, it the last one I need to see then I saw them all. But from what I know of... it been aired more then 8 times already on UK Boomerang and none of them I could even get to a TV that has it :S
Hope someone gets it on download soon. I really want to see it.
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The next viewing of the episode is scheduled for monday the 11th at 10 am on cartoon network.
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Guess we all have to wait to see it. I hope it's interesting.
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Will anyone be able to record this one?
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I thought that landbeforetimelover was going to do that since the episode was on again today.
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Well, I don't see it posted... maybe he just missed it... oh well...
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We'll find out in due time I guess.
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I really really really want to see this one. does anyone have this episode!!! Please I beg you! it the last one that I need to see and its the one that I really wanted to see out of all 26!
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There are some rumours that it'll be on the 3rd tv series dvd named Adventuring in the Mysterious Beyond. I don't know if it is true or not. I guess whichever of us gets the dvd first can tell the rest of us. It's suppose to be out the 19th of this month in the usa.
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It's not on this disk. According to the official LBT website, the episodes are:
The Great Egg Adventure
Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
The Lonely Journey
The Hermit of Blackrock
Hopefully they'll have this episode on the fourth set of episodes.
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Thanks. I'll be happy whatever 4 episodes it has.
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I saw this episode on the DVD; and all I can say is...
Wow. This episode has completely changed the way I look at Spike.
Who would have figured that he would see something artistic in nature?
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It has some good elements, but some continuity problems also. Though that is nothing new for LBT.
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This episode was different than others because it showed how Spike seen things. That was kind of neat. :)
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One of the Coolest Episodes. Why I never thought Spike would speak ever again.
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While I'm doing it I supose I'll tell you I'm watching Jittery's "Spike needs more cowbell". Yeah, I know I've said I hate him, but some of his stuff is funny. I particularly like this:
(http://i43.tinypic.com/1zfirrl.png)
:lol
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Yeah, I really like that poop. Also watch out for Ducky and MORE COWBELL! :lol
Oh, and be sure to watch the one with Rhett in it (Ali means bussiness) That longneck get's what he deserves! :anger
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I saw it. It was funny.
Littlefoot to Ali: "So...wanna shag?"
Ali: "Sure!"
:lol
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You hate him as a person?
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No, just that I hate his videos
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Ah I see.
Personally I don't like his Through The Eyes Of A Spiketail YT poop. It's not as good as his other stuff, like the LBT7 one. That was one of his best ones.
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One question: why does Spike see everything purple? Was he born this way or did something happen to him to cause it and if so, when? And does this mean other members of the cast might see things in strange colors?
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He was probably born that way. During the whole series Spike experienced no obvious brain or eye damage that could have changed his vision.
As for the other members of the Gang, I don't know. We never get to see the world through their eyes. First person view is an innovation in LBT that we only get to see in "Through the Eyes of a Spiketail".
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It was very interesting to see this, and makes me very interested to see what other scenes in the series that Spike is in would look like from his point of view. For example, what would one of the songs in the film sound like to him?
As for the rest of the gang, it would be interesting to see the world through their eyes. I like the idea of them all having a very unique POV, like Spike apparently does. How about Cera seeing everything in red, since she's agry a lot of the time? :lol
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Hello:
Well, since the serie is particularly aimed at younger kids (maybe an attempt to get new fans?), maybe the different color when in Spike's POV is to more easily understand when we are looking through his eyes and avoid any way of confussions?. Or maybe he is colorblind, which is not an unknown problem that some people has.
And I don't know if this is off-topic, maybe not, but this is the only episode of the tv serie that I saw in spanish, aired in a local tv channel. What Inoted is that the voices were made in the same dubbing company than the LBT sequels, so all the main characters (except Spike since this is the first time we can actually hear him talk... even if in his mind) have the same voices for all sequels and the tv serie. I think that is great, not even the original english version has that :DD .
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One question: why does Spike see everything purple?
I thought I told you in another topic the likely reason why he sees everything in purple. Chances are he's lacking most of the cones except the ones that let him see purple. And this is something you're born with.
Just realized something. There is a chance Spike was not born with it and instead developed later, in this case from an injury or something. At least one movie hinted that Spike could see other colors earlier on.
Remember LBT4? Spike was the one who noticed the golden flowers first and showed Ducky. Now how would he have known those were the right flowers if he couldn't see the color yellow? Unless he just had a hunch, I think it's likely that he was able to see that they were golden flowers and showed them to Ducky.
If this is the case, then something would have had to happen to Spike to make him see in nothing but purple.
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Good thinking, Darkhououmon! So what could it be, then?
This is making a fun discussion topic! :smile
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Damage of the visual nerve (a tumor? :blink: ) or continuity error.
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Maybe during the bee stings something happened we didn't see? Like a rock falling on his head? Seeing as momets later after Littlefoot tells him to hit it he starts making ba-ba noises and does so in Good inside big water good time good friends which the old Spike never did and his lips moving on one of a kind (though the old Spike did that at least once
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You know, there are some things I really hate about this episode. First of all, making Spike's vision purple and having him hear everyone talk in grunts? What are they, making him dumb? I'd be ok with the color thing if it's something other characters have a problem with, but the grunting he hears is inexcusable.
Second, seeing the LBT world from his POV made it all a bit of a joke. He even had to make Cera's dad a joke: "Sometimes I think Mr. Threehorn just likes to argue." That was very disapointing. :(
Thirdly, depiste the fact that I'd rather they not show his point of view and just have us assume it's normal, I would be fine with them showing it...if they hadn't made him practically the hero throughout this whole bloomin' episode. I mean, think about it. They portray him as the only one smart enough not to get on the tower (well Petrie didn't), have him find the grapes, have him be the only one brave enough to go through some bloomin' wind, have him save his friends, have him portrayed as superior to Mr. Threehorn (who I am a fan of and was kind of unimpressed to see that)...and it just happens to be this point that Ruby comments that she wishes we were all more like Spike. Really? Did they have to go ahead and shove it in our face that Spike is "the best" here in this episode? :anger
They didn't even need to show Spike's point of view for this episode, really. It could have just been a normal episode. Even wikipedia seems to think so. Their summary says:
On the first day of the cold time, Mr. Thicknose tells the gang about Hard Water Sweets (frozen grapes), and the gang set off on an adventure to find them.
Without even mentioning the whole Spike issue. Really, a better title for the episode would have been "The Search for the Frozen Grapes". The whole Spike stuff was just gloss or filler (either sound logical) in attempt to either make the episode "special" (at which it falls flat) or fill the 23-minute time slot, which would be laziness! They already waste time on 2 songs...how much can they waste?
Pokeplayer's site has the summary:
For the final episode, we get to see it all through the mind of Spike. What secrets does the most quiet one of the group hold?
What secrets would it hold? They're making it sound like we're getting a treat, when really all we find out is that he sees in purple and hears in grunts---neither of which I really wanted to know.
If I was to choose a member of the gang to see through the eyes of I'd rather see through Petrie's eyes? Why? Well, one, cause we'd get a bunch of beautiful aerial shots when he flies, ;) , two, cause Cause he's my favorite right now. A month ago, as you probably knew, Spike was, but now Petrie's my favorite
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Spike is commonly believed to be on the autistic spectrum, and it is very common for autistics to have what's called synesthesia, the most common type being when one sees in other colors and tastes colors or hears colors. This makes him unique, and the episode was trying to explain to the audience why Spike is the way he is. Spike is very popular among disabled fans. To say he's dumb because he's some kind of synesthete and possibly an autistic is VERY rude and offensive. As someone who is on the spectrum and deals with synesthesia (mirror-touch), I find this wrong on so many levels. You might as well call him the R-word and be done with it.
Saying someone's no longer your favorite character because they're different or disabled is shallow. What if you had a best friend who was in an accident and had to be in a wheelchair for the rest of their life? Would they no longer be your best friend because they're different or disabled? Petrie is no different. He has what humans may call a delay in his speech development, which often indicates a mental disability. For someone his age to still talk in third-person is not what others would call normal or healthy. You're basically sticking up for one different or disabled character and bashing another. What makes one better than the other?
On the note of Spike being the hero or superior, in my opinion, it was about time. Littlefoot is nice and all, but he's been the shining star way too often in the series, and Ducky hasn't barely had a chance yet. It was time for Littlefoot to step back and let somone else take the lead.
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Alright, but I also had some other things to point out about it you didn't mention, if anyone wants to make an argument.
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I felt they made him too much of a hero in this episode, in ways that not even Littlefoot gets.
I would be fine with them showing his POV...if it was a logical POV. Seriously, how many of you guys suspected he sees in purple? Or hears only in grunts? No! He's as perfectly rational as the rest...unless the others see in different colors, too.
This is particularly sad because it means Spike has missed out on very amazing, beautifully colored moments. And while he may have enjoyed performing in "Bad Luck"...imagine the song from his POV. It would probably feel like "Bad Luck: The Hangover Mix"!
I espicially hated how he even turned Mr. Threehorn into a joke---but really, it doesn't matter at this point: Mr. Threehorn completely lost it after "Journey to Big Water".
Oh, and:
They didn't even need to show Spike's point of view for this episode, really. It could have just been a normal episode. Even wikipedia seems to think so. Their summary says:
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On the first day of the cold time, Mr. Thicknose tells the gang about Hard Water Sweets (frozen grapes), and the gang set off on an adventure to find them.
Without even mentioning the whole Spike issue. Really, a better title for the episode would have been "The Search for the Frozen Grapes". The whole Spike stuff was just gloss or filler (either sound logical) in attempt to either make the episode "special" (at which it falls flat) or fill the 23-minute time slot, which would be laziness! They already waste time on 2 songs...how much can they waste?
Anyone ever considered this?
This episode is very much about Spike
As you can see by the points I've made, it actually isn't. Or didn't need to be, at least.
And I still stand by this:
If I was to choose a member of the gang to see through the eyes of I'd rather see through Petrie's eyes? Why? Well, one, cause we'd get a bunch of beautiful aerial shots when he flies, , two, cause Cause he's my favorite right now. A month ago, as you probably knew, Spike was, but now Petrie's my favorite
And really...did this have to be the last episode? :cry
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Cause it's my least favorite episode of them all! :anger
I'm sorry, I just really hate this episode. <_<
Although stranger from the mysterious above looked pretty bad, so did March of the sand critters and a few others.
Oh, and again, what's with the title? "A spiketail"?!! It's not just some random spiketail they're showing through the eyes of...probably would have been better off with the title I suggested.
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Yes, you don't like the episode. You already made that pretty clear. No reason to keep posting about how you don't like it; it's not going to bring conversation to this topic. Just be patient and wait for other people to reply. Not all of us have as much free time as you do.
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Had anybody noticed that the scene where the gang found their first reference (the tree) on their journey that when we look through Spike's eyes, that Ruby sounds much like a Chicken? Or is that just me?
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I'm not sure I haven't had the pleasure of sitting through this horrible episode in a while. I need to do that some how so I can make my full comment on this episode. The last time I sat through it I was drink so I could sit through it. That's not a good sign is it.
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Okay, Spike's voice creeped me out a little bit to be honest... and the whole thing about Spike is... a little annoying. I won't change the way I think about Spike.
Anyway, the dialogues and the plot itself (leaving aside the whole Spike thing) is good but could have been done better of course. The songs were crap because Spike's voice actor can't sing and his voice sounds nasty.
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There were certain aspects to this episode that I thought were quite original and that helped elaborate Spike's character, but there were others that I thought were unfortunate and that clashed with what was established in the films.
In particular, I like how they seem to imply that Spike is just as intelligent as the others (or at least in the same range) but that he simply views the world in a fundamentally different way. His fixation on things that the others may not notice or may find unimportant (the song of the plants) and his inability to communicate effectively would seem to make Spike almost autistic in his worldview and perceptions. I feel that the portrayal of a character in this way is rather original and may actually be useful to the target audience of young children. In the films we have seen many different physical 'kinds' join together and become friends despite their differences, whereas in this episode we get to see much of it through the eyes of someone who is of a different 'mental' kind. As someone who is on the autistic spectrum with rather mild traits, I appreciate the attempt to portray a character who is 'different' mentally. It is something that is often ignored in the popular media or otherwise is portrayed from a third person perspective.
However, there were many parts to this episode that I did not care for at all. First of all, they portray Spike as not understanding the rest of the gang, only understanding certain words such as personal names and food names. This clashes with many incidents in the films where Spike would nod, shake his head, or give affirmative grunts to indicate his understanding of entire conversations and complex ideas. For whatever it is worth, I will be portraying Spike as if he is simply mute (as a leafeater) but can still understand language in the 'sudden change of species' roleplay. Where the films and the TV series contradict, I choose to have the film's portrayal take priority.
Secondly, the whole 'song of the plants' idea could have been done better by depicting Spike as smelling a symphony of smells. It was already established in the series that Spike has a well-developed sense of smell, so why not use that as a plot point in this episode? I simply view that as a lost opportunity to established continuity with what came before. Although, as Cancerian Tiger pointed out earlier in this topic, his hearing of the 'song of the plants' could be due to synesthesia, where he is 'hearing' smells due to a misrouting of sensory information through his thalamus. If that is the case, then my criticism on that point would be unfounded.
So, overall I have mixed views on this episode. I appreciate what they were trying to do in their portrayal of Spike, but I feel that they unnecessarily created continuity errors with the films. Although, admittedly, continuity issues are nothing new in the television series.
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I've not seen this episode in a while. As I recall there are also scenes in some movies, don't recall which ones right off, that have it seem like Ducky can understand Spike just fine, as well as mentioned before his being able to understand the others just fine.
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Ducky also understands Dinah and Dina much better than Cera does. She is very good at understanding "garbled" messages, but has difficulties articulating them herself. This is not necessarily unusual. Rowan Atkinson has problems with stuttering, for example.
As for the episode, the portrayal of Spike's senses is so inconsistent that it can't be explained by synesthesia either, since there are parts of the episode where his sense of smell and sense of hearing are shown as normal, picking up only what they should pick up (hearing the waterfall, smelling up the rest of the Gang instead of hearing their smell). The "treestar song" can only be explained as an actual sound, which testifies to the carelessness of the scripwriters.
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I think Spike can understand stuff more than food and names. I was hoping to save Spike talking to have him use whole sentences to expose some evil villain about to take over the Great Valley.
Anyway, I noticed that Chomper is eating hardwater sweets. (At least through Spike's eyes.)
Chomper: (Watching the episode) I didn't know I could do that!!!! :wow :wow :wow :wow :wow
Also, somebody suggested that the grunts and stuff were actually the leaf eater language. We've heard the Sharptooth language before but never the Leaf Eater one.
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This episode was okay.
However, I liked Spike's scat-singing better than his actual singing. It's funny how Spike only sees purple; I never figured out why he only sees purple.
That is all I can say about this episode.
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To me this episode seemed like someone, or a group of folks working on the show either drank some beer and got a buz or smoked a joint or 2 then wrote the episode.
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To me this episode seemed like someone, or a group of folks working on the show either drank some beer and got a buz or smoked a joint or 2 then wrote the episode.
Was Chomper really eating a hard water sweet? If so, he's the first Omnivore T-Rex and can be proud of himself for making history. :lol
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Could be. If one puts this as the last episode then one could say Chomper did make the transition to becoming an omnivore.
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Now here's a great, unique concept for an episode. :DD
Other assorted thoughts:
Looks like we found someone with a worse singing voice than Petrie and Guido. :p
Cera seemed especially grouchy in this episode, even moreso than usual.
x(cera
I found it funny when he hears the others through incoharent babble x3
I thought that part was a bit strange. So Spike can't truly hear his friends' words? Despite his own lack of speech, I was always under the impression that he could hear them just fine. Interesting.
One question: why does Spike see everything purple? Was he born this way or did something happen to him to cause it and if so, when? And does this mean other members of the cast might see things in strange colors?
I thought that was odd too, but my interpretation of it isn't that it means Spike literally sees everything in purple. Rather, I think it was just a narrative technique to indicate to us that those particular shots were what Spike was seeing.
The cool thing about this episode though is that it sure makes you look at Spike's other appearances in a brand new light. I give it a 7/10.
*gets out battle axe* Time to beat up some site to get some info and mabey even some videos!
lol