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The Land Before Time => 1988 Theatrical Release => Topic started by: WeirdRaptor on January 11, 2015, 03:12:09 PM

Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: WeirdRaptor on January 11, 2015, 03:12:09 PM
I firmly believe that this obsession with the original version is making this fandom lose sight of the very film we loved to begin with. I see discussions about the film we have now become rarer while meaingless speculation about the mythical uncut version comes up over and over and then goes nowhere time and again.

Here are some facts:

1. It doesn't exist anymore. It was locked up tight and the version we all own on home video is the only one that was ever out in general release. I will not hear otherwise unless you have proof.
2. There is no record of an "uncut" version being released anymore. It doesn't even make sense for them to it that, considering that the producers of the project made the staff cut it down and release the version we're familiar with. Hell, Bluth even said that the cut footage is in Spielberg's possession, and he's sure never made any attempts to restore the film.
4. We are not going to find it. Stop looking.
5. The film we have now is fine as is. It is a great, great film and I am satisfied with it. I'm sorry that so many of you don't feel the same.
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Ducky123 on January 11, 2015, 03:42:27 PM
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1. It doesn't exist anymore. It was locked up tight and the version we all own on home video is the only one that was ever out in general release. I will not hear otherwise unless you have proof.
You claim there's no proof for the existance of the uncut version of the original LBT movie?! Well, likewise there's no proof that it doesn't exist...

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2. There is no record of an "uncut" version being released anymore. It doesn't even make sense for them to it that, considering that the producers of the project made the staff cut it down and release the version we're familiar with. Hell, Bluth even said that the cut footage is in Spielberg's possession, and he's sure never made any attempts to restore the film.
Why wouldn't it make sense for them to release it, provided it's still there in their archives? Many, many children who are in their 20's and 30's now have loved TLBT and many still do so. Wouldn't it motivate them to buy the movie again if it had some "special features" (cut scenes) on it? And just consider that many of them are already parents who would love to show their children a wonderful movie from their childhood... I think it would pay off for the producers, if they advertise such a rerelease wisely...

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4. We are not going to find it. Stop looking.
You never know if you would have made it, hadn't you given up. This quote just puts it nicely: If there existed a movie with the cut scenes on it and if we weren't looking for it, then how would we know if it exists or not. Why so hopeless, WR?

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5. The film we have now is fine as is. It is a great, great film and I am satisfied with it. I'm sorry that so many of you don't feel the same.
In case this is aimed at me (which I think is not the case but still..), I do love the movie the way it is. I'm just curious what these scenes really contained.
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Malte279 on January 11, 2015, 03:46:32 PM
As for the factual topic of this thread:
1. I think it is not very likely for an uncut version to be made available to us. In more than 15 years of research and hope inducing reports of uncut versions watched in the past my hope to actually see such a version are fairly low... but there was no thought of an LBT 14 either anymore until quite recently and I would be delighted in being disproven.
2. Many fans from various countries have told about seeing such an uncut version. Similar cases of scenes included in movie adaptions of some countries but not in all of them are not unheard of. I consider the probability higher that such different cuts of the movie have actually been aired rather than assuming or accusing of collective memory failure or deliberate misinformation.

As for the less factual and more emotional points in this thread I must say that it is with great regret that based on the choice of words and formulations they seem to be more of the basis for this thread rather than the wish for a factual discussion. I would prefer if the matter had been allowed to be dropped (strong hint her to anyone considering further anger filled responses here).
Even in case it should turn out to be in vain there is no harm in the "holy grail status" of the cut scenes in the mind of many land before time fans. And though no actual video of it has ever been found the search for it has not been in vain altogether. Plenty of immages and seen descriptions which have definitely or probably been part of the cut scenes have been found as a result from this interest of the fans.
Neither you nor anyone else has the right to order people what to do or what not to with their free time while they are not harming others in the process!
The fact that people are right here on the board shows clearly that they do like the movie. Curiosity about what it would have been like with the additional scenes does not equal dislike for the movie as it is. If people do not like the movie as it is that is just as much their right as it is yours to dislike (for example) a certain series of movies based on one book by an author whose works you and I both enjoy.

Make no mistake everybody, we admins are watching this thread and the attitudes of members towards each other. The warning has been given, but if anyone feels the need to further push or violate rules against personal attacks (and I am not refering to one member only here), of freedom of opinion or about presenting opinions as facts we admins are going to put an end to it!
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: WeirdRaptor on January 11, 2015, 03:49:14 PM
Bluth has stated on no uncertain terms that Spielberg has the only copy of the missing footage and that he's not releasing it. It doesn't get more final than that. Why so hopeless, because I'm tired of this baseless rumor.

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2. Many fans from various countries have told about seeing such an uncut version. Similar cases of scenes included in movie adaptions of some countries but not in all of them are not unheard of. I consider the probability higher that such different cuts of the movie have actually been aired rather than assuming or accusing of collective memory failure or deliberate misinformation.
People claimed that you can unlock Luigi in Super Mario 64 for years, worldwide. Guess what? You can't. I rest my case.
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Nick22 on January 11, 2015, 03:58:51 PM
i think it is better for everyone if we take a step back and consider what we are arguing over, footage, that is likely never to be released.
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: WeirdRaptor on January 11, 2015, 04:02:18 PM
I know, Nick, I know. I just feel like this search is starting to crowd out the film, itself.
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: MC CJ'S REVENGE on January 12, 2015, 02:49:39 AM
I've seen countless subjects about this brought up and I agree, this is an issue that is basically beating a dead horse. Don Bluth stated the footage is not available, so that's that.
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Pikkutassu on January 12, 2015, 09:06:26 AM
Quote from: WeirdRaptor,Jan 11 2015 on  02:49 PM
Bluth has stated on no uncertain terms that Spielberg has the only copy of the missing footage and that he's not releasing it. It doesn't get more final than that. Why so hopeless, because I'm tired of this baseless rumor.

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2. Many fans from various countries have told about seeing such an uncut version. Similar cases of scenes included in movie adaptions of some countries but not in all of them are not unheard of. I consider the probability higher that such different cuts of the movie have actually been aired rather than assuming or accusing of collective memory failure or deliberate misinformation.
People claimed that you can unlock Luigi in Super Mario 64 for years, worldwide. Guess what? You can't. I rest my case.
Definitely not baseless memories for me after finding the deleted scene cel from the final sharptooth battle scene, which I remembered beforehand (rather than refreshing my memory after seeing some of the images the outcut scenes thread.)
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: jansenov on January 12, 2015, 10:25:06 AM
All of us who have memories of these various elusive scenes, let us consider this for a moment: none of us here have pristine memories. Our memories have been contaminated by the information on the missing scenes that can be found on this forum and elsewhere.

And let us consider the facts that go against the existence of the uncut German version and the uncut Finnish version: if you care to look up the duration of the movie in old magazines and newspapers (for example, Prisma TV from 2002 or Helsingin Sanomat from 1995), it is in the ballpark of 60-66 minutes. Far too little to accomodate any of the missing material. In addition, there are forums where people said that they have recordings of the 1995 Finnish airing and that there is nothing unusual about them. All of this information and much more can be found on this very forum.

There is just one ray of hope left: that the data we have from before the digitalization of television is not completely reliable. Back in the 1990s and the early 2000s, the vast majority of television channels used analog technology, and this was most certainly true for the channels where the uncut version (superRTL and mtv3) was supposedly shown.

A few weeks ago LBT was aired on mtv3 and Pikkutassu complained that this was the digital version being shown now, not the analog version that was on recorded on tape and that was shown before mtv3 underwent digitalization. And  I agree with him. It makes perfect sense that the analog version is no longer shown. Technology has changed. Also, I made the same complaint about a SuperRTL airing more than 3 years ago.

This, however, doesn't mean that these analog versions contained the uncut movie. And even if these tapes contained the uncut version, they are possibly gone by now, irretrievably damaged on some garbage heap.

All in all, the evidence for the uncut version is thin. We should try to overcome our emotions and assume that the mind is playing tricks on us.

The only thing remaining is to hunt down these old tapes from these TV channels. But how to get to them?
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: LostInTime on January 13, 2015, 04:21:19 PM
I have to join the people who think they have seen the uncut version, sadly I was of course very young at that time. But I specifically remember the T-rex vs mother attack being more violent, and that it affected me alot, really feeling for littlefoot. From what I can remember the tape was a copied (using two vhs connected) from an unknown family friend. I have looked through all our vhs, but it isn't there so it was likely that one tape I lent to a friend long, long time ago.. and didn't get back. (pretty sure it was land before time I lent to my friends, cus it was so awesome,)

I do have the bought vhs in my possession, but it's likely not the one. From what I remember I begged my parents to buy the series afterwards because of the memory I had of it, being super awesome. Not so after the cuts ;P.. I mean it probably wasnt the most famous animated movie, so why would I have them buy that one? Cus I remembered that first awesome movie, after I had gotten the sequels.


TLDDR
So my guess is that I(my father) was lucky enough to be given a copy of an recording,
probably aired in Sweden early to mid 90's, with subtitles but I of course lost it.
The only proof of mind I have is that I remember it being very scary and that I was really young at the time. It was a some time before I saw Jurassic Park (bought tape), another great first experience.

Sad thing is that, any hope of recovering it is diminishing by the year, since people throw the recordings away! Oh well, at least I got some frustration out of me. But I stand by that it was the best animation movie experience I've ever had. Thanks for that ;)
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 15, 2015, 02:39:18 AM
Quote from: jansenov,Jan 12 2015 on  09:25 AM
if you care to look up the duration of the movie in old magazines and newspapers
Old magazines and newspapers survived but the VHS tapes didn't?  :crazy
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Malte279 on January 15, 2015, 06:14:44 AM
Everyone, stick to opinions marked as opinions or facts if supported by solid evidence, but stay away from each others throats and abstain from persoanl attacks of any sort!
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: jansenov on January 15, 2015, 10:03:39 AM
Magazines are mass products just like VHS tapes for home videos, so yes, both of them survived. But, every VHS tape GOF members checked out to date has the same duration of the movie as indicated by the magazines (the difference being whether the credits are cutout or not). However, the tapes that the TV studios used in the airings might be trickier merchandise to get a hold on. And they won't necessarily have the scenes we are after (see my previous post).

So, what is exactly your problem, Bruton?
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Dashaque on February 12, 2015, 04:26:14 AM
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I've seen countless subjects about this brought up and I agree, this is an issue that is basically beating a dead horse. Don Bluth stated the footage is not available, so that's that.

That would have been nice to know before I made an intro topic about it.... I wasn't trying to stir up trouble, I should have looked to see if it was okay to talk about it but I didn't see anything in the rules.


I basically just said that I own a first wave release of this movie and it's identical to the ones that you see now.  Granted, yes, it's been a long time since I watched my VHS, maybe 10 years?) but I remember it very well.  I still have the movie memorized.  However, many say that the early McDonalds version has uncut footage (though I'm almost certain I own this one, but it's in storage now so I can't check atm, but I'll try to get a hold of it in the next few days)


But if someone REALLYwants to put that speculation to rest:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Land-Before-Ti...g-/390763842899 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Land-Before-Time-McDonalds-Promo-VHS-Video-New-Sealed-Free-Shipping-/390763842899)

I'd be willing to chip in for this but I'm not going to buy it myself as i don't even own a VHS player anymore.

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You claim there's no proof for the existance of the uncut version of the original LBT movie?! Well, likewise there's no proof that it doesn't exist...
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.  Also if you are making a claim (in this case, that there's an uncut version of LBT) the burden is on you to prove that it does exist, not on anyone else to disprove it.  


For what it's worth though, I remember watching the VHS a lot as a kid, and then sometime later in my young adult years, getting into LBT again and rewatching the VHS I had numerous times.   I had this memory in my mind, that I STILL have of when they escaped the Sharptooth by running through that narrow rock (this was right before they saw the rock shaped like a Longneck)... and I totally remember Cera glaring back at it then going "NYA NYA!" as the Sharptooh was struggling to get through (I know she did this earlier when she thought it was dead too, but this one was different)...

Now that scene isn't in the movie, and when I watched it in my adult years, I was surprised because I could have sworn I saw that happen.   I think sometimes we remember things we saw as a kid and our memories don't work so well.  So even though you might swear up and down that you saw a more violent version of the Sharptooth attack, you might just be remembering it wrong.  There's nothing wrong with that, my memory fooled me as well.  

So that could be what's going on... again there's nothing wrong with that, I'm not insulting anyone for it, but it makes more sense than these elusive copies evading the internet for decades.
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Dalekdino on February 12, 2015, 07:35:10 AM
Quote from: Dashaque,Feb 12 2015 on  09:26 AM
  I had this memory in my mind, that I STILL have of when they escaped the Sharptooth by running through that narrow rock (this was right before they saw the rock shaped like a Longneck)... and I totally remember Cera glaring back at it then going "NYA NYA!" as the Sharptooh was struggling to get through (I know she did this earlier when she thought it was dead too, but this one was different)...

You know the LBT story book I have "Friends in need" has a screen shot of that scene you were talking about of Cera glaring at Sharptooth after the escape him.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/834/ou6l.jpg (http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/834/ou6l.jpg)
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Dashaque on February 12, 2015, 07:39:32 AM
No, that happens in the movie, my memory is of her going "NYA NYA" and wiggling her butt or something :p
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on February 13, 2015, 01:46:59 AM
Quote from: jansenov,Jan 15 2015 on  09:03 AM
Magazines are mass products just like VHS tapes for home videos, so yes, both of them survived. But, every VHS tape GOF members checked out to date has the same duration of the movie as indicated by the magazines (the difference being whether the credits are cutout or not). However, the tapes that the TV studios used in the airings might be trickier merchandise to get a hold on. And they won't necessarily have the scenes we are after (see my previous post).

So, what is exactly your problem, Bruton?
Sorry...  :oops
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: jansenov on February 13, 2015, 05:06:09 AM
^It's all right.  :) I worded that more aggressively than I should have.
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on February 14, 2015, 01:16:05 AM
And I was too nitpicky and bothersome.

But glad to hear it's cool now.  :smile
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: pokeplayer984 on February 16, 2015, 11:50:51 PM
So, I now have the McDonald's version VHS tape in my procession, and after looking over just the cover itself, I have my doubts.

The biggest thing being the run time still showing 69 minutes, but that could be a misprint. (Lots of VHS tapes were victims of that.) We shall see if it holds that rumored 10 minutes of missing footage.

I will note though that it does have a "rebate offer" for the then upcoming The Land Before Time 2, which had an unofficial release cover. (I'll show a picture later.)

Well, see ya guys later.  I've got a movie to watch. :)

EDIT: Just got done watching it.  Sadly, there is nothing extra.  The only difference on this version is that the coloring seems easier on the eyes than the DVD version does. (Then again, that could be my TV.)

Aside from that, the only other thing to note is that this version doesn't have a single ad in it before the movie.  NOT ONE!  I find that rather interesting.

So, the McDonald's version does not have any extra scenes.  I have debunked the myth. -_-
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Dashaque on February 17, 2015, 03:26:50 AM
I had my doubts but I was kind of hopeful for something.  

But thanks for letting us know, I guess someone should update that wiki ;)
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Mumbling on February 17, 2015, 04:02:48 AM
Thanks for checking that out for us, John!
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Hypno on June 08, 2017, 06:04:20 PM
I find it kind of funny how people have lost hope in the deleted scenes and then (thankfully) storyboards for the sharptooth encounter were found months later. Then, just last year, the Hell scene from All Dogs Go To Heaven was found in full. Hopefully something LBT-related pops up soon. Maybe we can find more stills. I'm not saying the movie is bad because of the cuts; I just think that if nothing was cut the movie would be even more amazing than it is now.
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Ducky123 on June 08, 2017, 07:01:24 PM
Can't agree with you more. The movie feels incomplete whenever I watch it...
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: ADFan185 on June 08, 2017, 07:42:39 PM
Yeah it's awful that it's gone for good and true the movie does feel incomplete without those senses added.
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Sovereign on June 10, 2017, 03:18:04 PM
While actually seeing the cut scenes is rather unrealistic at this point, I'd say there's a good chance that we'll find out more information about in the future. Most people who worked on the film are still alive and it would be great if some people were as helpful as Pudleiner. Also, I didn't know that the scene from All Dogs go to Heaven was found!  :wow  I don't care for that film too much but it does give hope for the LBT scenes as well. Even if I would love to see them, more information about those scenes is all i dare to wish for at this point.
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Sneak on June 10, 2017, 03:33:37 PM
did you guys ever tried to contact these people from the name of forum? To mr. Pudleiner, for example?
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: ADFan185 on June 10, 2017, 04:14:32 PM
It's been 29 years I think we've waited long enough for an answer about the deleted cut sences.
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Hypno on June 11, 2017, 09:04:04 AM
Quote from: ADFan185,Jun 10 2017 on  03:14 PM
It's been 29 years I think we've waited long enough for an answer about the deleted cut sences.
It's not about finding the scenes in full (as there's almost no chance of that) we are trying to find more stills and cels of the scenes so that we can piece together the scenes more than we did before, because some scenes we don't even know anything at all as to what happened. Finding storyboard drawings from early production of the Sharptooth vs Mama Longneck fight scene of Sharptooth ripping Mama Longneck's back open in full or a cel from the 19 seconds of the cut fight scene would help with that. It's definitely possible that we can find more information of that scene in the future, as we have found lots of stuff from other scenes. But there are still others cut from the soundtrack that we don't know about.

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Sovereign  Posted on Jun 10 2017, 02:18 PM
     While actually seeing the cut scenes is rather unrealistic at this point, I'd say there's a good chance that we'll find out more information about in the future. Most people who worked on the film are still alive and it would be great if some people were as helpful as Pudleiner. Also, I didn't know that the scene from All Dogs go to Heaven was found! dino_wow.gif I don't care for that film too much but it does give hope for the LBT scenes as well. Even if I would love to see them, more information about those scenes is all i dare to wish for at this point.

Yes, the All Dogs go to Heaven hell scene was found in full. I don't know the information about the cut scenes though, like if Don Bluth possibly said they were officially lost but were found but if that's true, then maybe we might find a lost LBT scene. But I'm not too optimistic about that one though.
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Sneak on June 11, 2017, 11:17:58 AM
my first question is still valid., guys.

and other question: WHERE THE HELL (lol unintentional pun) was found scene from All Dogs... ??? Who found it and posted?
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: ADFan185 on June 11, 2017, 11:48:17 AM
Oh wow I never knew about the all dogs go to hell sence I must look for this information about this.
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Hypno on June 11, 2017, 02:10:41 PM
Quote from: Snik,Jun 11 2017 on  10:17 AM
my first question is still valid., guys.

and other question: WHERE THE HELL (lol unintentional pun) was found scene from All Dogs... ??? Who found it and posted?
About your first question first. I don't know if anybody has asked Pudleiner. I didn't.

Now, about the cut parts of the All Dogs Go to Heaven hell scene. It popped up on the internet back in October. Here (http://steam-runner.tumblr.com/post/146385150575/so-i-am-taking-some-courses-in-a-summer-art) is where it first showed up. It shows the first dragon-skeleton demon raise its head and open its eyes. It also shows a lot more of the second demon. The second demon's head flies down towards Charlie and says: "NOW, YOU ARE MINE!" right in front of the screen before he starts messing with Charlie and then he throws his head back and the scene continues as normal. Here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr7khtV7GAs) is a full restoration of the scene with the cut parts.

I also just learned that Gary Goldman said that the scenes were destroyed, but, they were found in an archive and burnt onto a disc. The same was said for the original LBT by Don Bluth, so you never know what could happen in the future, for All Dogs Go to Heaven, and LBT. Plus, this movie came out only a year after LBT, and a lost scene was only found last year. Again, you never know what we could come across, or somebody else. It gives me a little bit of hope that we could find a cut scene in full, or, more likely, more cels.
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Sneak on June 11, 2017, 04:21:34 PM
would like to see if we do something with email sending. :3

And not only about original movie. I also want to ask someone what they did to Shorty in last installment... Who knows, maybe even somebody from voice cast knows about storywriters' plans. Who knows...

thank you for link! :D
how the hell that happened, though... Material is permanently destroyed, but it was on some mysterious tapes... Oh, wh knows what would happen with LBT material...

Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: ADFan185 on June 11, 2017, 05:47:48 PM
Yes thank you so much for this now hopefully we'll get some answers someday soon
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Sneak on June 11, 2017, 05:55:38 PM
Quote from: ADFan185,Jun 12 2017 on  12:47 AM
Yes thank you so much for this now hopefully we'll get some answers someday soon
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what person do you thank and for what?
at this time, as I know, nobody did nothing.
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Hypno on June 11, 2017, 08:39:43 PM
Most likely me. For linking the ADGTH stuff.
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: ADFan185 on June 11, 2017, 09:39:01 PM
Yes o need to work on quoting people I keep forgetting to do that
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Sneak on June 12, 2017, 02:52:11 AM
Quote from: Hypnobrai,Jun 12 2017 on  03:39 AM
Most likely me. For linking the ADGTH stuff.
thanking you for watching some movie? lol ok nevermind

Should I create new thread about sending letter to oneof LBT creators / asking if somebody did this?
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Sovereign on June 12, 2017, 03:42:26 AM
I'm not sure but would that go to the projects section?  :unsure: Anyway, this is well worth a try but do you have any idea on how to contact these people? Especially the animators or background artists might have some interesting information but where do we find their e-mail addresses? If we get to know them, I would be happy to take part in this idea.  :)
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: ADFan185 on June 12, 2017, 04:06:53 AM
Finding there e-mail address could be a bit difficult to find.
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Sneak on June 12, 2017, 10:01:01 AM
well, about Pudleiner:
https://www.blogger.com/profile/11625936782072187091 (https://www.blogger.com/profile/11625936782072187091)

there's contact via Email button or something like that (here I see only Russian text XD)
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: ADFan185 on June 12, 2017, 11:08:48 AM
Ah okay I checked out his blog and we could get in touch with him if he's not too busy
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Sovereign on June 12, 2017, 11:39:18 AM
I guess it wouldn't hurt to ask him if he wishes to share more about the production of the first Land Before Time. But before that it would be a good idea to think what we would like to know and if he knows if we can contact the animators from the film. Who knows if he can share the contact info of some of his old colleagues.
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: ADFan185 on June 12, 2017, 03:17:58 PM
Yeah there's no reason to ask him at all if he feels up to it. This is great information that we found right here;
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Hypno on June 12, 2017, 03:19:42 PM
Quote from: Sovereign,Jun 12 2017 on  10:39 AM
I guess it wouldn't hurt to ask him if he wishes to share more about the production of the first Land Before Time. But before that it would be a good idea to think what we would like to know and if he knows if we can contact the animators from the film. Who knows if he can share the contact info of some of his old colleagues.
Did he help make All Dogs Go to Heaven? We could ask him about that too, even though LBT is the main concern here.
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Sneak on June 12, 2017, 03:21:43 PM
Quote from: Sovereign,Jun 12 2017 on  06:39 PM
I guess it wouldn't hurt to ask him if he wishes to share more about the production of the first Land Before Time. But before that it would be a good idea to think what we would like to know and if he knows if we can contact the animators from the film. Who knows if he can share the contact info of some of his old colleagues.
that is what I asked at first place: did someone did it before, and if not - let's do this and prepare full complex letter. And maybe creating a new thread for that. :)
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Hypno on June 12, 2017, 03:23:24 PM
I was just about to say that. Who wants to make it?

EDIT: Snik, you reached 1,000 posts!
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: ADFan185 on June 12, 2017, 04:10:00 PM
Sounds like a good plan let's make the thread
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Sovereign on June 12, 2017, 04:10:42 PM
I'm not sure if a really long letter is the right way. Maybe we should tell who we are and whether he knows anything about the scenes or his colleagues. Nothing too complex, just a normal post that shows how much we would appreciate any piece of knowledge he has.
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Hypno on June 12, 2017, 04:14:44 PM
Yes, yes, let's do it. I'll make a topic about this.
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: ADFan185 on June 12, 2017, 06:08:53 PM
Awesome thanks for doing that hypno
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Gentle Sharptooth on June 24, 2017, 05:51:58 AM
The Cut Footage is akin to a holy grail for fans. Fans are going to want to find it, and possibility that it exists keeps the heart beat of this section of the Forums alive. I understand that you want to re-focus a thread on the actual film we all know and love, but the best thing to do is not critique the Cut Footage Treasure Hunters, but to start a thread solely about the Original Film as is, without mentioning the cut footage, otherwise you will merely find yourself talking about the cut footage anyway.
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Sovereign on June 25, 2017, 04:21:52 PM
I just wanted to say that if Pudleiner won't be able to provide us with more information, I'd say Dick Zondag, one of the directing animators, could be a good next choice. He has put his email address on his homepage (http://dickzondag.com/www.dickzondag.com/About_Me.html).
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Midnight on June 25, 2017, 04:33:26 PM
Quote from: Sovereign,Jun 25 2017 on  03:21 PM
I just wanted to say that if Pudleiner won't be able to provide us with more information, I'd say Dick Zondag, one of the directing animators, could be a good next choice. He has put his email address on his homepage (http://dickzondag.com/www.dickzondag.com/About_Me.html).
Can we all contact him or would it be better if just one person tried?
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Sovereign on June 25, 2017, 04:36:43 PM
I'm not monopolizing this but I doubt a wave of similar questions would be too good an idea. If someone else wishes to contact Zondag, though, that's alright.  :)
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: ADFan185 on June 25, 2017, 04:40:30 PM
Yes let's bombard him with emails until he tells us
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Midnight on June 25, 2017, 04:43:30 PM
Quote from: Sovereign,Jun 25 2017 on  03:36 PM
I'm not monopolizing this but I doubt a wave of similar questions would be too good an idea. If someone else wishes to contact Zondag, though, that's alright.  :)
Nono, I completely agree with you.

I may attempt it as well, but not immediately :)
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Hypno on June 25, 2017, 04:45:05 PM
Quote from: ADFan185,Jun 25 2017 on  03:40 PM
Yes let's bombard him with emails until he tells us
No! Do not do that. They'll simply get annoyed and ignore you.
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Midnight on June 25, 2017, 04:58:28 PM
Quote from: Hypnobrai,Jun 25 2017 on  03:45 PM
Quote from: ADFan185,Jun 25 2017 on  03:40 PM
Yes let's bombard him with emails until he tells us
No! Do not do that. They'll simply get annoyed and ignore you.
Yeah, that's quite the awful plan and it might make him ignore any further e-mails regarding the subject :/
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Sneak on June 25, 2017, 05:45:20 PM
I HOPE ADfan joked.

and I agree, if we have a chance to contact someone's else about LBT, we should use this chance. But with no hurry, and let somebody else (not me, because I'm bad in composing serious letters) write and send it. :)
Title: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: ADFan185 on June 25, 2017, 07:07:06 PM
Quote from: Hypnobrai,Jun 25 2017 on  03:45 PM
Quote from: ADFan185,Jun 25 2017 on  03:40 PM
Yes let's bombard him with emails until he tells us
No! Do not do that. They'll simply get annoyed and ignore you.
I was only kidding When I said that post. I'd never in my life do such a thing
Title: Re: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: StardustSoldier on May 17, 2019, 07:46:15 PM
I'm still somewhat skeptical that the cut scenes will ever be released in full. It just seems unlikely to me somehow. But... then again, I probably would have said the same thing about the May 1987 script, or that All Dogs Go to Heaven scene, and lo and beyond.

A disclaimer that this is not meant as an attack on anyone. But, if I can address the original points made in this thread here, I don't feel that all the discussion about the uncut version is a bad thing. If anything, I think it's a testament to how much the majority of us here do appreciate the film as it is. After all, we wouldn't care about an uncut version if we all hated the film. :lol: Granted, there is often a feeling that an already great film could've been even more amazing if the deleted scenes were included. I feel similar about the Harry Potter films sometimes. As much as I love them, there was a lot of material from the books that got left out, material which I think would've made the films even better. But at the end of the day, it doesn't diminish the fact that I am a fan.

The other reason why I think discussion about the uncut version is fine is because it is simply a fascinating topic. While I would still love to see that missing footage, it does put me more at ease that we have the May 1987 script. If the uncut version itself is never released, then this is probably the next best thing. But at the end of the day, as I've said elsewhere on this forum, The Land Before Time is still my favourite animated film, so I can't complain too much.
Title: Re: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Gentle Sharptooth on February 25, 2020, 03:25:05 AM
The Uncut, Hidden Version is TLBT Holy Grail. I say let those on the queste continue to hope they may see it or at the very least the rays of footage. 
Title: Re: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: GreyLizard226 on March 27, 2022, 03:46:44 AM
It would definitely be cool to see this extended version. Aside from the alternate ending, which I  think would have worked better, it doesn’t seem like the additional footage would effect the movie as it is too much, for better or worse, but it would still be nice to have actual deleted scenes. Most animated films don’t have fully animated deleted scenes, in fact I don’t know of any that do, save another Don Bluth film that had some scenes that were released for the first time several years ago.
Title: Re: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: WeirdRaptor on May 15, 2022, 10:43:29 PM
It would definitely be cool to see this extended version. Aside from the alternate ending, which I  think would have worked better, it doesn’t seem like the additional footage would effect the movie as it is too much, for better or worse, but it would still be nice to have actual deleted scenes. Most animated films don’t have fully animated deleted scenes, in fact I don’t know of any that do, save another Don Bluth film that had some scenes that were released for the first time several years ago.
Yep. Alas, alas, it's a lot harder to make a Director's Cut of an animated film, because a lot more has to be done to... do it.
Title: Re: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: 00not_nathan00 on November 09, 2022, 03:34:00 AM
I mean there are cut scenes from the film online. Like the now well always be together ending and some others like ducky making faces and littlefoot crashing into the sharptooths foot. but I believe probably the reason why most of the scenes aren't or cant be released is because there mainly just storyboards.   
Title: Re: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Hypno on November 11, 2022, 08:48:02 PM
I mean there are cut scenes from the film online. Like the now well always be together ending and some others like ducky making faces and littlefoot crashing into the sharptooths foot. but I believe probably the reason why most of the scenes aren't or cant be released is because there mainly just storyboards.   
Many of them were animated, actually, not just storyboards. The only ones that probably weren't animated was the "Littlefoot and the Snake" scene as well as the Oasis scene.
Title: Re: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: GreyLizard226 on March 11, 2023, 06:39:38 PM
I mean there are cut scenes from the film online. Like the now well always be together ending and some others like ducky making faces and littlefoot crashing into the sharptooths foot. but I believe probably the reason why most of the scenes aren't or cant be released is because there mainly just storyboards.   
Many of them were animated, actually, not just storyboards. The only ones that probably weren't animated was the "Littlefoot and the Snake" scene as well as the Oasis scene.

There aren’t a lot of animated films I’m aware of with deleted scenes that aren’t just storyboards. I remember looking through the special features on the DVD for “The Incredibles” since there were supposedly deleted scenes on it, and was disappointed that they were just black-and-white storyboards.
Title: Re: I think this "uncut version" obsession
Post by: Gentle Sharptooth on June 19, 2023, 10:10:56 PM
I know, Nick, I know. I just feel like this search is starting to crowd out the film, itself.

The unseen footage is the Holy Grail for some, so they quest for it. I personally have no passion for it. I enjoy the film we got.