The Gang of Five
The Land Before Time => Land Before Time TV Series (2007) => Topic started by: gloverboy2 on February 17, 2009, 10:20:16 PM
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Hyp,nod and mutt would lose to me easy.
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It depends, actually. If a human, or group of humans, had powerful guns, the humans would win almost everytime (depending how tough the skins of the dinosaurs were). But if it were without manmade weapons, using just natural weapons like fists, the dinosaurs would have a better chance.
Whether or not a single human could beat Hyp, Nod, and Mutt unarmed is questionable. I would think that the trio are larger than a human and would be tough to beat. But if a gun or knife is utilized, the human may have a better chance.
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normel attacks like my explosion kick would make hyp flich and cry out in pain.
and if i did a battle stance like Mr. satan, hyp would run away.
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Hyp is the only one you'd even have a remote chance of beating with your bare hands and only if you are extremely fit and strong.
His species were quite small (~50 Lbs)
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I have my doubts, to be honest. A human kick to a dinosaur of Hyp's size might not do a lot of damage, especially considering the thick skin and lightly thick muscle underneath it. This is where aiming at weak points comes in handy. This is just a guess, but Hyp's weak point would be his legs. Although I don't think it would cause anymore damage than pain and bruising.
Now as for Hyp running away from a battle stance, I don't see the logic in that. One kick is not going to make Hyp afraid, in my opinion, because not much damage would have been dealt (unless, of course, the kicker has taken martial arts of some kind and learned how to inflict more damage). For Hyp to run away, a lot more, in my opinion, would have to be done. If he was nearly killed, for instance, he'd see a reason to run away. Or if the human posed like a sharptooth, that might make him run away because of instinct.
I don't mean to offend you and I apologize if I did. I'm just trying to look at this in a logical manner. I've seen many programs on dinosaurs, read books on dinosaurs, so I'm using that knowledge to make my own guess on whether or not something is possible in regards to human/dinosaur conflict.
I agree with Serris. Hyp would be the easiest to beat, but even then it would be tough without a gun. Mutt's species were much larger and heavier, likely more physically strong as well. And Nod has armor and spikes protecting him.
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mutt would dazzled by my moves. I think you recall Mr. satan's rolling attack in dragon ball.
I myself have done that move in the park at ajax and it works parfectly for me.
mutt mybe thick-headed but he knows when he's beat.
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The only thing I would need would be an A-10 then I'd be able to beat all of the Great Valley dinosaurs.
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A-10!!
what are you thinking!!
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Mutt is a coward. I don't think you'd have to actually hurt him to scare him away. Although, he might fight in the end, depending on the situation.
Now as for the move working on Ajax, that's against another human (am I right?). Dinosaurs are built differently than a human. Just because an attack would work on a human doesn't mean the same thing would work on a dinosaur in the same way.
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it would work.
i'd run at mutt, dive and roll along the ground right at him and say "rolling attack JOSIAH PUNCH!"
[Bang, bash, ohh!]
he'd be done in a minute.
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No, he wouldn't. remember Dinos have different weak spots than humans do, in reality unless you were trained in martial arms, punching a dinosaur would break your hand, especially if its armored...
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This is just a guess, but Hyp's weak point would be his legs.
The only area that I can see a human actually damaging on Hyp are his eyes. But actually getting close enough to preform an eye gouge on him is extremely unlikely. Knee joints tend to be the weaker part of the body.
However, if weaponry, even sticks or rocks are involved; everything changes... That's assuming Hyp and Mutt don't go for weaponry as well. Of course throwing sand or dirt in their eyes could allow you to escape or find a weapon.
And even then they'd only work well on Hyp. As for Mutt... possible but extremely unlikely. However, there is a case where a man killed a fully grown female bear with a stick in self defense so I'm not saying it's not possible. Nod, forget it, it's like trying to stop a car by beating with a stick.
Firearms or knives... no contest. A stab or gunshot wound has almost no equivalent in their world (except claw and tooth inflicted stab wounds).
Fighting Nod with your bare hands is like trying to take down an armored car with your bare hands. It's not happening.
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Dinosaurs likely had tougher hides and thicker muscle than a human. I believe that human punches would almost always not do a lot of damage. This is why I think weapons are required to having a real chance against a dinosaur. Physical attacks likely won't do much damage.
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these are my Fighting Techniques i can use on them:
explosin kick
Mr. Satan used dynimate kick against Perfect Cell with no effect.
my attack has to have some effect.
Human punch
gift for you
This is one of my humorous last resort moves.
Like mr satan's presaent bomb The attack consists of me dashing towards my opponent, stopping at the last second, handing my opponent a giftwrapped box , then running off as my opponent is distractedly playing the portable game. I then push a remote-control button to make the handheld game explode.
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The portable game attack will likely not work. Dinosaurs have no concept of what a video game is, so they are not going to be playing it. If anything, they'd think it was food and try to eat it.
Again, I stick to what I said before. A human, physically, has little to no chance against a dinosaur realistically. A dinosaur would win almost every time (unless they were very small, like compsognathuses). A humans' best chance is to use weapons.
The only way I think a human could win physically is if they have superpowers, which no human has in real life.
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Fine. it has it in its mouth. the press the remote then step back! BA-BA BOOM!!
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That reminds me of Dino Crisis, one of the endings anyway. In one of the endings, Regina, the main protagonist, throws some kind of bomb into the T-Rex's mouth and she presses a button, which detonates the bomb inside the T-Rex's mouth or body (not sure if it swallowed or not).
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Humans would have to use weapons against most dino's if they ever fought. Compys could be fought off by a human in small numbers.
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Some dinos are more capable and as mentioned their skin may be tougher, look at human skin compared to Crocodile skin, it seems tougher. Also as mentioned the anatomical weak points may be different in a dino & would need to be studied. One would need to study their weak points. Also some experienced ones like Doc seem to have, more or less, made up their own fighting styles and techniques. Also as for fighting the bullies they seem to stick together and they may remain together. Also some dinos have natural built in weapons as well like Nod's spikes, a iguanadon and some others.
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Actually, Nod's spikes were more akin to the slat armor found on some armored vehicles. They were not weaponry, though like the driver of an armored vehicle, he could resort to ramming or crushing his opponent.
Also one thing that I was thinking about: (mentioned in Twilight Valley) groin attacks. I'm assuming they would not work (as well) as the organs in question are internal. But at the same time I'd imagine a powerful blow to the genitals would be extremely painful.
Crocodilian skin is tougher thanks to the scutes.
As for weapons, small arms and melee weapons are useless against the larger creatures (Doc, Dara, Sue etc.). For them you'd need something like shoulder fired missiles or 20 mm cannon.
For the smaller ones (Topsy, Mama Swimmer, Mutt's father, Chomper's parents) melee weapons are (nearly) useless but high caliber rifle rounds would work. Note that I say melee weapons are nearly useless because a group of Humans with melee weapons could take 1 of them down. Of course, if the bipeds decide to do something like grab a tree branch or a rock to use as a weapon then the odds of a melee victory decrease. And yes, I'd assume that the LBT dinos would grab the nearest thing to use as a weapon if they had to (LBT IV - stone throwing, though it's more of a distraction but it still can be weaponized).
For the human scale (Ruby, Hyp, Rainbowface-type, etc.), almost all firearms will work. Melee weapons would work too, but if the biped grabs a weapon, all bets are off.
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And for larger ones with skill in using their tail, or a larger ones like Ducky's parents they may grab a human and or a gun and use that as a club.
Also if one did scare Mutt or Hyp away after attacking them, they may go and tell some grownups that they were attacked by some strange looking creatures. One can imagine how the Great Valley adults would react to that.
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I'd get my pikachu fight against them... But only if they attack me really.
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Here we go again, this is exactly why I want humans to be kept out of the Great Valley. We enter and the first thing we want to do is beat down or gun down everything and for hardly another reason but to show that we can :x
As for the general likelihood humans are very prone to overestimate. Kangaroo's (comparable perhaps to Hyp) have one fights against professional boxers and as for most of the larger cases, knock down an elephant with your bare fist, then we can talk about your ability to take on a dinosaur. Whatever the outcome of such a test I would pity the elephant for the unprovoked attack it would be exposed to.
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A human can only take on another human in say hand-to-hand combat. Besides that, and history has proven, that humans sought need of weaponery in order to vanquish their target (be it for sustenance or conquest or whatever else). In relativity to this topic, I highly doubt human could take on the likes of say a dinosaur of any measurable size bigger than itself purely because humans are so ill-equipped for natural combat. Omnivorous teeth, no claws or talons, no natural form of camouflage or anything to aid us in a face off with another creature. All our defenses and tactics are learned, established and refined.
Still, that all aside, I have to side with Malte's thoughts on "why in the world would we want to fight the GV dinos in the first place"? Surely if we honoured and loved them so much (despite being fictional) why would the first port of meeting be a mass battle royale against them? <_< Despite how hyperthetical this discussion may be, it's a little disheartening to think that all humans wish to do is inflict their dominance by means of violence and conquest. Destroy it rather than understand it... :neutral
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Malte279
ITS MY TOPIC!
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You are really asking for it, gloverboy2. I suggest you edit that post of yours before the admins see it. You have no right to talk to Malte, or any admin or member, like that.
So please, calm down, unless you want to get banned.
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Gloverboy2. There's no need to respond like that. You have been warned already for your conduct on this forum and I strongly suggest you do not rule out this revised opportunity if you wish to continue posting here...
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It might be your topic, gloverboy2, but that does not mean that you can tell anyone else in here what to do. Malte is an admin and he could easily delete this topic of yours if he wanted to, the same going for the other admins. Besides, Malte didn't say anything to warrant that original response you had given. All he did was explain his opinion on the subject of this topic. He did not personally attack you.
I strongly suggest you calm down and think about your posts before you make them. Please respect the other members and accept the fact that not everyone is going to disagree with you, and don't snap at others just because they disagree with you.
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NO amount of running make your dream pleasent.
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Gloverboy2, what is your problem? Do you want to get banned? If the answer is no, I suggest you calm down. No one here has done anything to warrant this kind of behavior from you. You are acting like you have total authority over this topic, even over the admins, but this is not true. No matter where you post in this board, no matter what topic you make, you still must abide by the rules of this board. And if you don't wish to listen to the rules and don't want to be nice to other members instead of snapping them for no reason, then you can leave.
The choice is yours.
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sneed comments is what i don't want from other members. they don't have to insult my topics like that.
i have no problem. I don't whant to get banned but i don't want others saying sneed remarks about what i say about my own topics.
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No one said any "sneed comments" about your topic, gloverboy2. No one here has personally attacked you. And everyone here has the right disagree with you and explain why they disagree.
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Mate, no one is make "sneed comments" against you. They are merely expressing their own thoughts and views. That's what a discussion is about. No one's taking a dig at you personally. That being said, besides getting your own point across, there's not an awful lot you can do to divert a person's initial opinion. Each to their own. By all means banter the pros and cons, but there is little ground to stand on besides your own if someone doesn't agree with what your saying.
Just chill a bit man...this is supposed to be in good spirit and in common interest. Relax. ;)
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That monster that i posted is a reminder.
I don't ever want to post it agian.
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Then don't post it again. That post was inappropriate behavior and there was nothing said in this topic to warrant you to react in such a manner.
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Malte was just expressing his opinion on the topic and in a civilized calm manner.
I do agree with what he said. The best thing that can happen if if there was another world, a warp in space or a star gate and the Great Valley was discovered the best thing that could happen would be a mutual agreement where both sides benefit. Humans agree to take some plants only during the time when there is plenty of food, likely mid-spring to late summer or very early fall, and study them for any medicinal values, and agree to not take any during the fall to early spring. Also keep a vet or somesuch to treat sick dinos. Though some scientists would likely want to talk to the dinos to learn of their culture, beliefs ect, as well as use ultrasound to scan their internal organs. Perhaps get a swab of the inside of their mouth to get a genetic sample to study ect. Some agreements where both sides benefit.
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i don't have a "calm manner" as you say.
i keep calm when i have someone agree with me.
my emotions are in check.
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Only calm if somebody agrees with you, huh?
I'm sorry, but you must understand that getting mad every time you're on your own is going to lead to a life of disappointment. There will be times in everyone's life where people will just see things differently than you.
I suggest you use this forum as a learning experience: if you are unable to accept that others are different from you, then life will not take your side very often. If this attitude continues, we will have no choice but to ban you because our community is based on discussion..and discussion cannot exist without disagreement.
If it comes to that, I hope you can learn something from all this: the world just doesn't work if you are unable to accept the thoughts of others. We understand your opinion, it just seems that few of us really agree with it. That happens sometimes. Please, for your own sake and for the sake of yoru fellow LBT fan, please understand this.
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There's no reason to get upset when no one agrees with you, gloverboy2.
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I, like Malte and Littlefoot1616, do not see the purpose in kicking a** in the Great Valley when the very Gang we adore have not done jack to us :anger. The only time I have ever gotten physical is if they either hit me first or beat on a little kid like a coward. The GV dinos do not fit either qualification to get the crap beat out of them by me.
Off-topic. Seriously, none of us are looking to pick a fight here. The only one here who needs to take a deep breath is yourself. Hey, I'm an older sibling myself and who how big a pain in the a** a younger sibling can be, but I still love 'em to death. There's really no reason to displace anger onto others who have not done jack to ya <_<. Gloverboy2, ya seem like a very interesting member who has a lot to offer to the GOF, and I hate to see members get banned. Please reconsider these things you're saying. Intimidating members and making nasty posts won't get your point across to anyone.
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never mind, then.
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Let me get one thing straight gloverboy2, I am NOT your enemy.
This however does NOT mean that I had to agree with everything you say, nor do I in return expect you or anyone else to agree with me on everything.
When somebody posts in the gang of five that does not make him or her the "owner" of the topic in the sense that he or she may permit or prohibit what people may or may not post.
Really gloverboy, you are not doing anyone a favor by acting the way you do. If however you continue to act in a way that will make your presence more of an annoyance to other members than a pleasure (which it is in case of civilized discussion and exchange of views), I'm afraid you might be banned as a consequence.
I'm not saying this to threaten you but only to warn you hoping to stop you from continuing a kind of behavior that will, if continued, hurt nobody more than yourself (in the GOF as well as elsewhere).
I do not want you to get banned but you will be if you continue in this antisocial manner you have shown so far gloverboy2.
I'm sure you can do better than that.
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Let's see if we can restart this topic in a civilized manner.
The combat aspect is interesting in a theoretical manner but I don't think declaring war on a peaceful and primitive race (GV dinos) is an appropriate course of action. Yes, feel free to ignore my input as I inserted a war in LBT.
I second Kor's thoughts:
I think the best idea is a mutual agreement, perhaps a large scale "anthropological" study and a survey of the ecosystem. I'd imagine the scientists would act like they had encountered an isolated race of Humans as the LBT dinos have the same intelligence as Humans.
Mr. Thicknose might work alongside the biologists and ecologists. After all, he's essentially the Great Valley's botanist.
Grandpa Longneck might work with the anthropologists. He's basically the storyteller/"legendkeeper".
Mr. Threehorn and some of the others might flat out refuse to cooperate but I doubt they'd actually attack the scientists. The other dinosaurs would be EXTREMELY upset at them for that.
As for Chomper, he might work alongside the linguists or serve as a translator.
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We're your Friends Dude! Please don't think of us as your enemies just because of some reasons that are not worth bring up.
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The time travel idea sounds like the start of a possible fanfiction. Or even rp, or both.
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Actually, Nod's spikes were more akin to the slat armor found on some armored vehicles. They were not weaponry, though like the driver of an armored vehicle, he could resort to ramming or crushing his opponent.
Also one thing that I was thinking about: (mentioned in Twilight Valley) groin attacks. I'm assuming they would not work (as well) as the organs in question are internal. But at the same time I'd imagine a powerful blow to the genitals would be extremely painful.
Crocodilian skin is tougher thanks to the scutes.
As for weapons, small arms and melee weapons are useless against the larger creatures (Doc, Dara, Sue etc.). For them you'd need something like shoulder fired missiles or 20 mm cannon.
For the smaller ones (Topsy, Mama Swimmer, Mutt's father, Chomper's parents) melee weapons are (nearly) useless but high caliber rifle rounds would work. Note that I say melee weapons are nearly useless because a group of Humans with melee weapons could take 1 of them down. Of course, if the bipeds decide to do something like grab a tree branch or a rock to use as a weapon then the odds of a melee victory decrease. And yes, I'd assume that the LBT dinos would grab the nearest thing to use as a weapon if they had to (LBT IV - stone throwing, though it's more of a distraction but it still can be weaponized).
For the human scale (Ruby, Hyp, Rainbowface-type, etc.), almost all firearms will work. Melee weapons would work too, but if the biped grabs a weapon, all bets are off.
I do agree with you on the matter of humans losing to most LBT characters but if i went to the LBT era i would try to persuade Chomper to join me or if he doesn't agree then i'll capture red claw and make him my pet and air lift him into the great valley and let him do his thing. :lol :lol :lol
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