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Seeing how fans made a lot of shippings with those two alsoI don't see what this has to do with Ali looking like Littlefoot's... Wait. He likes Ali because she reminds him of his mom? That's kind of sad, but also unfortunately makes a lot of sense.
Ali to me may grow into an adult longneck and look like littlefoot's mother in faceSeeing how she and Littlefoot look very much alike (at least in LBT4 they do)... It's a possibility, yeah.
The fact that we can have this kind of discussion about Mr. Threehorn really does show he and Cera just have more meat to their characters than Hyp, his cronies, and his dad.Yup, the second sequel most definitely would've turned out better if the story was focused on a conflict between main characters and their relatives. As for Cera's dad... Well, I was about to say that the LBT5 made it look like Topsy was one of the main proponents of the idea of spliting the group up which hardly supported the case of him "just doing what's right and good for everyone", but rather once again showed old Mr. Threehorn at best as "do it my way or get lost" kind of guy and at worst as someone who'd ditch everyone else if it meant increasing his and his kid's chances of survival... But yeah, we've dwelled upon his character long enough and bringing other sequels into this kind of goes against the original topic of this thread.
I don't even have anything against Tops, it's just that ever since the original movie I always viewed him as a kind of "ideological enemy" to what the gang and indeed the Great Valley itself stood for: this joined community of all sorts of dinos that overcame their differences to better protect themselves from the dangerous world they had to share. Of course as the series progressed they mostly got rid of the darker and more serious undertones as well as any meaningful character development and it's a darn shame that no real battle of worldviews ever took place. 
Coyote, how would you respond to when I pointed out about how Topsy doesn't make anybody follow him?But he does. Not in the usual comedic "bring me food, massage my feet and address me as Your Majesty" kind of way, but as a usual domestic tyrant some people have to deal with in real life. That's why instead of looking for a real solution he usually just instantly makes up his mind, makes it known by yelling as loudly as he can and then proceeds to mock or even threaten those who don't listen to him.
Coyote, I think Dark and Rhombus got ya beat on this one. Sorry, but there is nothing to suggest Topsy was power-hungry during LBT3.I'm enjoying the discourse anyway. Plus it helps liven up the sequels section of the forums a bit.
And yeah, I'm not trying to paint Tops as - say - a prehistoric version of Scar from the Lion King. Not all frustrated power-hungry people become dictators, but they do tend to try and appoint themselves leaders in situations and communities that don't actually need an "iron fist" guiding them. And then they tend to mismanage the heck out of those... Sounds like Mr. Threehorn alright. 
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Actually I do. Sure he "let the Longnecks go", but how much would you be willing to bet Tops would go full rage mode if - say - a flyer volunteered to go on a scout mission into the Mysterious Beyond and asked to drink some water out of turn to recover the strength he needs to fly over the mountains? For my part I think he'd go bonkers since it would strike him not only as putting someone else at risk, but also as an act of rebellion againsts him and his point of view. Powerhungry and contemptuous people always come up with reasons to justify their line of behavior to others AND themselves. In this particular scenario it's pretty clear that Mr. Threehorn's strategy is detrimental to everyone in both the short run (since the shortage won't get fixed if everyone listens to him) and long run (as it goes against the tendency to organise a more civilised community). I just don't feel that Tops telling himself he's doing it for the greater good excuses him any.QuoteThe only time that Topsy didn't act reasonable in the movie during this crisis is when he doesn't listen to the longnecks on which way was right. But note how he doesn't force anyone to follow him, only Cera. Given this, it is likely that Topsy doesn't really care that much about absolute power. If he did, he would have tried to make everyone follow him, but the moment that the longnecks disagree, he just lets them go. He only cared about Cera doing what he said.
Do you have any reply to her critique of your position?
The thing about the effect, however, is that it is short-term generally speaking.For us, humans living in a modern society - yes. But for a group of prehistoric beings taught from birth that they have to keep to their own kind and listen to what the oldest and the wisest of them has to say and follow them without question it's a different story. This might actually be the reason why the grownups in the movies are always portrayed as extremely passive and otherwise doing very little. And that is why some stubborn Threehorn shouting and forcing his opinion on everybody before there's any chance of coming up with a sensible plan is just bad news through and through.
However, I don’t think Mr. Threehorn was doing this for power.Problem is he had shown multiple times prior that he thinks every other species living in the Valley are inferior to the Threehorns and that nobody else can get things done, but himself and his kind. So yeah, he may not say it directly, but that IS what he thinks and what he wants his daughter to think as well. They are the Threehorns, they are right and everyone else has to listen to them. Which - given the tribal era mentality - pretty much means he wants to be in charge.
Looking at this, I just find it hard to believe that he would care enough to stop flyers from spotting the problem. He isn't that power-hungry (him letting the valley dinosaurs going their own way hints strongly to this) and even if he did try to put a ban, how easily could he even enforce it? Flyers can just...fly.Honestly, I think there's a very significant detail missing in this picture. In real life, when faced with a dire situation a lot of people will wait for someone else, preferably a strong leader to stand up and make a decision about how to deal with the present dilemma. And if such is the case with human being, this would be especially true for creatures whose main instrument of survival has always been herd instinct. For the dinosaurs of the Great Valley it's basically an unwritten law to adhere to what the head of their group says and this is why nobody dares to come up with a different plan once Mr. Threehorn stomps his foot and tells everyone what he thinks they're ought to do - they've got their orders and they're supposed to follow them without a second thought, that's what their nature dictates! (This is also why the grownup are always so surprised by their younglings' inability to act in the same manner) Yeah sure, Topsy's line of behavior would've helped him and his offspring survive while they were out in the Mysterious Beyond, but now that they found somewhere to settle in, a place with an actual community in place it does nothing, but create problems for everybody. And this and subsequent LBT movies basically bring this issue up time and again.
Does anyone agree with Daddy Tops being so hard-lined in regulating the remaining, but dwindling water supply?For me it seems like the classic case of just instantly seizing an opportunity to seize power and boss people... Well, dinos around. Following alongside the river bank and figuring out where'd the water go was the right solution and it took someone unbiased - i.e. in the kids - to do that. All Tops did was create another conflict that kept everyone busy and prevented them from thinking clearly about their situation. His short temper and near-sightedness were a hindrance and nothing more. "No water? Well, too bad - this is how we live now! BTW, I'm in charge cause I say so!" And then if someone would try bringing up a different way of going about the whole thing he'd probably take it as a challenge to his authority. <_<
Don't want to spoil you there, but they "only" go into the Mysterious Beyond to fight some Fastbiters with rocks and break a hole into the dam holding back the water supply of the Valley and therefore save the Valley from the fireRight. Well, like I said, I barely ever rewatch LBT3, so...
Still. I remember it being kind of a snoozefest.
And it kinda gives it away in their song "You are a part of the creation"It could be that they weren't disguising themselves at all. Maybe they ARE what we would call sapient and technologically advanced dinosaurs. They just seeded the planet with their own DNA or something, hence the "creation" remark. It would also explain why they would be reluctant to openly assist the gang, but still feel some kind of companionship with the little dinos.
And take a look at the beam, it's shimmering. Now i've seen plenty of alien movies. I haven't seen a tractor beam that shimmers and sparkles like that.
Also, you can still hear their voices singing after they leave.
Now as a believer of the lord and jesus christ as my lord and savior i choose to believe that they were angels.
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