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Title: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Sky on September 16, 2007, 08:48:15 AM
I just wanted to know which sequels you like and don't like.
The best way would be to score them.  :unsure:

0 - Worst
1 - Bad
2 - Not so good
3 - Okay
4 - Good
5 - Excellent

OK. I'll start:

The Great Valley Adventure: 3

The Time of the Great Giving: 2

Journey Through the Mists: 4

The Mysterious Island: 4

The Secret of Saurus Rock: 3

The Stone of Cold Fire: 3

The Big Freeze: 4

Journey to Big Water: 5

The Great Longneck Migration: 5

Invasion of the Tinysauruses: 3

The Great Day of the Flyers: 4

Your turn.  :D
Title: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Nimrod on September 16, 2007, 09:13:59 AM
The Great Valley Adventure: 3

The Time of the Great Giving: 3

Journey Through the Mists: 4

The Mysterious Island: 5

The Secret of Saurus Rock: 3

The Stone of Cold Fire:4

The Big Freeze: 5

Journey to Big Water: 5

The Great Longneck Migration: 5

Invasion of the Tinysauruses: 3

The Great Day of the Flyers: 3
Title: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Ratiasu on September 16, 2007, 06:28:29 PM
The Great Valley Adventure: 3

The Time of the Great Giving: 3

Journey Through the Mists: 2

The Mysterious Island: 3

The Secret of Saurus Rock: 5

The Stone of Cold Fire: 4

The Big Freeze: 3

Journey to Big Water: 2

The Great Longneck Migration: 2

Invasion of the Tinysauruses: 1

The Great Day of the Flyers: 4
Title: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: action9000 on September 16, 2007, 06:33:21 PM
Oooh okay let's see...

Great valley Adventure: 4.5
Time of the Great Giving: 4
Journey Through the Mists: 4
Mysterious Island: 3
Secret of Saurus Rock: 3
Stone of Cold Fire: 3.5
Big Freeze: 3.5
Journey to Big Water: 3.5
Great Longneck Migration: 3
Invasion of the Tinysauruses: 2.5
Great Day of the Flyers: 3.5
Title: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Manny Cav on September 16, 2007, 06:34:17 PM
To be honest, I'm not really a fan of playing "favorites" when it comes to something like this.
Title: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: action9000 on September 16, 2007, 06:37:16 PM
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To be honest, I'm not really a fan of playing "favorites" when it comes to something like this.
Totally understandable.  I tended to make my scale based on what I hoped the movie could/would be (with general regards to what I consider quality), compared to what it actually was.  Everyone here is probably using different criteria for their "Scores" so it's a tricky survey anyway :p
Title: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Petrie. on September 16, 2007, 09:24:50 PM
Quote from: Manny Cav,Sep 16 2007 on  05:34 PM
To be honest, I'm not really a fan of playing "favorites" when it comes to something like this.
I guess I could also say I don't want to rank the worst. :P:
Title: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Manny Cav on September 16, 2007, 09:26:09 PM
You also do not like rating sequels, but I take it that it's for a different reason than me? :D
Title: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Petrie. on September 16, 2007, 09:29:08 PM
Heh, probably the exact opposite.  :P:
Title: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Malte279 on September 17, 2007, 03:34:00 PM
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   To be honest, I'm not really a fan of playing "favorites" when it comes to something like this.
Neither am I. I rarely use superlatives. I hope it is okay when instead of numbers I give a few words on the sequels which may tell more than numbers can.

I was rather fond of LBT 2 (still am). While the movie clearly broke with traditions of the original movie (befriending Sharpteeth would have been of limits in the land of the original movie) and also had a few changes in style (Chomper came as the first dinosaur in a color really far from the colors usually associated with dinosaurs). I like the story though. With the eggeaters we had some villains for the first time whose hunger was not the only thing to label them as villains. While LBT never made to really deal with the problem of a Sharptooth leafeater relationship this movie abandoned a kind of black and white / good and evil view of which the original movie might be accused. It was a bit difficult to get used to the idea of singing dinosaurs. None of the LBT 2 songs ranks among my favorites, but neither do I have a particular dislike of any of them. LBT 2 had a lot of the kind of sentimentalism which I suppose contributed a good deal to making me an LBT fan.

Many people don't think very high of LBT 3. Perhaps we are a little harsh on the movie. LBT 3 had a solid plot and some really interesting ideas. The major problem of the movie was that it was too moralizing, especially towards the end. If they could have brought their messages across a bit more subtle it would have been better. Still the movie had many aspects of a good land before time story.

LBT 4 brought us the character who was possibly the one most frequently discussed in the forums. The promise of Ali's return used to be a straw for LBT fans to cling to in times when it didn't look like there was going to be a next movie. Meanwhile a return of Ali was shown. I did not watch it as I heard of very negative reactions to the respective TV episode. I fear that it might do more harm than good. Anyway LBT 4 had a solid plot and the messages were brought across in a better way than was the case in LBT 3 (perhaps because the LBT characters didn't come across as faultless in this one). Spike's calling of Ducky was a very memorable scene. While I cannot name one favorite sequel LBT 4 is certainly one of those I am really very fond of.

The same goes for LBT 5. At long last we had at least a bit continuity through the return of a character. The reference to Littlefoot's Mum in the song Always there is another element which secured this sequel a special place in my heart. It had a good story and beautiful elements. However, the first LBT sequel produced by Charles Grosvenor also gave a glimpse at some of the elements which I really dislike in his movies. Why on earth does everything have to turn red in case of danger? That was really not necessary. Logic failures such as a tsunami rolling from the shore towards the open sea or lack of explanations (how did the gang get onto that log after they rolled it over the cliff?) did not occur in Roy Alan Smith's movies.

LBT 6 is another one of the sequels which some people don't like while I don't have a major issue with it. It is very regretable that interesting characters such as Dinah and Dana disappear after a single sequel without any further reference in later movies. LBT 6 brought new elements to the land before time. Unlike some later sequels LBT 6 did not spoil the issue by disenchanting the mysterious. At the end of LBT 6 everyone could decide for him or herself whether or not to believe in the lone dinosaur legend.

LBT 7 made exactly the mistake which LBT 6 had avoided. They disenchanted the mysterious and brought an element (aliens from outer space) into the land before time which does not belong there. There were also some really annoying shortcomings in the animation (anyone seen green lava before?). This was the first land before time movie I felt uneasy about. But with all these drawbacks LBT 7 also had some positive aspects. Pterano is one of the most interesting guest characters ever. The story of what happened during the journey to the Great Valley also reminded us of the gloomier elements of the land before time (not just a funny playground for dinosaurs). The song "Beyond the Mysterious Beyond" was quite beautiful and "Very important creature" gave a very good insight into Pterano's way of thinking. But again there were these sadly unrealistic elements which I'm sure would not have occured in a sequel directed by Smith. Using a hot spring as an elevator, Littlefoot, Cera, and Spike riding on the back of a single flyer this is really sailing close to the wind.
Title: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Malte279 on September 17, 2007, 03:51:08 PM
LBT 8 was a great plod idea but very poorly realized. The story could have been great, but with the stegosaur shaped teletubby named Tippy and many shortcomings in the animation and the presentation of the story many good chances were wasted. Also the movie was another one in which the moralizing was too strong (especially during the song "the lesson" which ranks among my least favorite LBT songs). Again there were such silly mistakes (hot spring frozen over). The song "Family" in my opinion couldn't make up for all the shortcommings. LBT 8 also was the first LBT sequel to introduce a sharptooth who came across as plain stupid rather than dangerous. LBT 8 left me with the sad impression of a great chance carelessly wasted.

As of today LBT 9 is the last LBT sequel which I really loved. When I first saw a picuture of Mo I was horrified expecting a kind of Pokemon invasion to LBT but when I watched the movie his shrill looks didn't bother me at all. The story is actually VERY simple but unlike LBT 8 it was realized very well. For once they did a really good job in combining animated characters and photorealistic animation of water and sky in a manner in which it seems to fit (while there are bad counterexamples in LBT 7 and 10). The song "No one has to be alone" was really awesome and the movie had many of the sentimental scenes I really like.

Unlike most people I consider LBT 10 nothing short of a disaster. I have written in much detail about why I dislike LBT in this thread (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=381.0). Total lack of a coherent story, unconvincing characters, countless cases of lack in realism, absolutely harmless sharpteeth, very poorly applied and exaggerated effects (even the characters turned red in case of danger in this one!). Even a truly beautiful song such as "Bestest Friends" cannot make up for all the other shortcommings. They just thought it would be interesting to have Littlefoot's Dad for a sequel, they put him in without a good explanation for his previous absence and at the end of the sequel they kicked him out again without a plausible explanation. This is the one land before time sequel which I really think should have never been made. I don't really expect LBT to recover after this one :cry2
Title: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Malte279 on September 17, 2007, 03:57:28 PM
While LBT 11 did not have the extreme lack of coherence that LBT 10 had it still fell short of previous LBT movies. Again they were moralizing a lot, again we had very harmless (ticklish) sharpteeth, again many questions the plot brought up were left unexplained, and I just never felt the degree of emotion which we had in previous LBT sequels.

The case of LBT 12 seems very similar. Again sharpteeth were just for entertainment and again there were many implausible scenes. Guido was an interesting character, but I'm not sure it is necessary to have one new character for every sequel just to abandon that character without any further explanation. With regard to this it may be a positive development that with Tricia they had a character returning for the first time since LBT 5. Still the overall impression of the movie is that it is more exclusively made for a younger audience than the earlier LBT movies were.
Title: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Manny Cav on September 17, 2007, 04:17:41 PM
Quote from: Malte279,Sep 17 2007 on  02:57 PM
The case of LBT 12 seems very similar. Again sharpteeth were just for entertainment and again there were many implausible scenes. Guido was an interesting character, but I'm not sure it is necessary to have one new character for every sequel just to abandon that character without any further explanation. With regard to this it may be a positive development that with Tricia they had a character returning for the first time since LBT 5. Still the overall impression of the movie is that it is more exclusively made for a younger audience than the earlier LBT movies were.
According to this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Land_Before_Time_XII:_The_Great_Day_of_the_Flyers) Wikipedia article, LBT 12 was the first LBT film regarded as a "tween" film, which may explain why you feel the way you do about LBT 12.
Title: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Malte279 on September 17, 2007, 04:36:25 PM
I certainly didn't start feeling that way after reading a Wikipedia article.  ;)
Many of the young audience elements I saw in LBT 12 were around in LBT 11 too. If somebody writes at Wikipedia that LBT 12 is the first LBT movie regarded as a "tween" movie that is the opinion of that somebody rather than an objective statement.
Title: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Manny Cav on September 17, 2007, 04:41:30 PM
The claim is that Universal Studios gave such a rating to LBT 12. It doesn't site a reference, however. It doesn't look like something one would make up, but you never know with Wikipedia. I'd have to check an official site to make perfect 100% sure.
Title: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Malte279 on September 17, 2007, 04:46:26 PM
When Wikipedia claimed that Dakota Fannings rather than Aria would voice Ducky in LBT 13 and the TV series it didn't sound like something people would make up either. Of course it was a claim bare of any substance anyway. I'm afraid in case of movies there is absolutely NOTHING people wouldn't make up. Unless there is a reliable source we shouldn't trust Wikipedia's LBT information. But even if there was an interview with Mr. Grosvenor in which he claimed LBT 12 to be the first LBT movie which was meant to be "tween" it would not change anything about the presence of the same tween elements in LBT 11.
Title: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Nick22 on September 21, 2007, 03:11:49 PM
4 is my favorite, because of Ali. Cartoon Network showed it yesterday and it really stood out as better than many of the more recent sequels. Ali's return in the series was a one-off and botched, it would be better if she returned in a full-length film, and I think that we can make the assumption that Ali's herd returned to Valley more than once. I have not seen LBT 11 or 12 yet..
Title: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Dinonut on September 30, 2007, 08:27:14 PM
I don't know how to rate LBT 12: The Great Day Of The Flyers because I haven't seen it yet.
Title: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on December 18, 2011, 02:38:25 AM
0 - Worst
1 - Bad
2 - Not so good
3 - Okay
4 - Good
5 - Excellent

Movie 2: 5
Movie 3: 5
Movie 4: 5
Movie 5: 2.75
Movie 2: 2
Movie 7: 3
Movie 8: 3
Movie 9:...3.5.
Movie 10: 2
Movie 11: 1
Movie 12: 2
Movie 13: 0

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Many people don't think very high of LBT 3. Perhaps we are a little harsh on the movie.

Man, I'm so glad you think that way. While a lot of people apparently much prefer "stone of cold fire" and "great longneck migration" I'd say "Time of the great giving" is the 2nd best LBT film after 4---with 2 coming in real close.
Title: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on March 09, 2012, 01:05:08 PM
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Logic failures such as a tsunami rolling from the shore towards the open sea or lack of explanations (how did the gang get onto that log after they rolled it over the cliff?) did not occur in Roy Alan Smith's movies.

Acutally they didn't explain how they got into the land of mists in 4
Title: Re: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Dr. Rex on February 02, 2020, 11:44:01 PM
The Great Valley Adventure: 5

The Time of the Great Giving: 2 (mostly because it's the only LBT film I don't own outside of LBT 14 and therefore I don't remember much of it)

Journey Through the Mists: 4

The Mysterious Island: 3

The Secret of Saurus Rock: 3

The Stone of Cold Fire: 3

The Big Freeze: 4

Journey to Big Water: 3

The Great Longneck Migration: 5

Invasion of the Tinysauruses: 2

The Great Day of the Flyers: 4

The Wisdom of Friends: 1

Journey of the Brave: 3

I'm not giving any of the sequels a 0 because I think even the lower-ranked ones have their redeeming qualities, plus, you know, nostalgia goggles.
Title: Re: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Sneak on February 03, 2020, 05:08:36 AM
mostly because it's the only LBT film I don't own outside of LBT 14 and therefore I don't remember much of it
?
You can always watch it in internet(?) and give it proper actual rating?

------

And I didn't give my scores yet.
I will rate it in LBT standarts.

Land Before Time - 9 (10 with deleted scenes :P)

Great Valley adventure - 4

The time of the Great Giving  - 3

Journey through the mists - 5

Mysterious island - 5

The secret of Saurus Rock - 2

The stone of cold fire - 3

The big freeze - 3

Journey to Big Water - 4

The great longneck migration - 4

Invasion of the tinysauruses - 2

The great day of the flyers - 2

The wisdom of friends - 2

Journey of the brave - 3
Title: Re: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Dr. Rex on February 04, 2020, 01:41:32 AM
mostly because it's the only LBT film I don't own outside of LBT 14 and therefore I don't remember much of it
?
You can always watch it in internet(?) and give it proper actual rating?
True, true. I just never had the time and motivation to try it.
Title: Re: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Littlefoot fan 1990 on February 04, 2020, 01:30:03 PM
The Time of the Great Giving - 5

The Mysterious Island - 5

Journey Through the Mists - 4

The Great Valley Adventure - 4

The Stone of Cold Fire - 5

The Secret of Saurus Rock - 4

The Big Freeze - 4

Journey to Big Water - 3

Journey of the Brave - 4

The Invasion of the Tinysauruses - 3

The Great Longneck Migration - 4

The Great Day of the Flyers - 3

The Wisdom of Friends - 2


 :)petrie  :)littlefoot
Title: Re: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Amaranthine on December 30, 2020, 11:12:57 PM
One of these days I'm gonna watch all the movies and rank them. It's been awhile.
Title: Re: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Dr. Rex on December 31, 2020, 02:32:08 AM
One of these days I'm gonna watch all the movies and rank them. It's been awhile.
You should definitely do it! Leave behind a record for posterity's sake.
Title: Re: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Nanotyrannus on December 31, 2020, 02:59:26 AM
I've ranked the sequels a bunch of times over in other threads, so I'll do something a little different here and A.) adapt the movies' scores to fit the scale  and B.) exaggerate them a little bit for variety's sake: (e.g. I don't think the 5.5/10 scores I've given TTOTGG and GDOTF reflect the fact that I think they're some of the stronger sequels very well)

The Great Valley Adventure: 2

The Time of the Great Giving: 4

Journey Through the Mists: 5

The Mysterious Island: 2

The Secret of Saurus Rock: 1

The Stone of Cold Fire: 4

The Big Freeze: 3

Journey to Big Water: 1

The Great Longneck Migration: 0

Invasion of the Tinysauruses: 0

The Great Day of the Flyers: 4

The Wisdom of Friends: 0

Journey of the Brave: 3
Title: Re: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: StardustSoldier on December 31, 2020, 05:47:36 PM
One of these days I'm gonna watch all the movies and rank them. It's been awhile.
You should definitely do it! Leave behind a record for posterity's sake.
Indeed. That's one of the reasons I've enjoyed reviewing the series since I joined the forum. Even as some of my opinions have changed since then, but that's part of why I like having an archive of how I felt at the time.
:cerahappy

Anyway, I'll admit that the first film is the only one I truly love. But for the most part I did enjoy the rest of the series.

- 10/10: The Land Before Time
- 6.5/10: The Great Valley Adventure (Original rating: 6/10)
- 7/10: The Time of the Great Giving
- 7.5/10: Journey Through the Mists (Original rating: 7.25/10)
- 7.5/10: The Mysterious Island (Original rating: 7/10)
- 6.5/10: The Secret of Saurus Rock
- 7/10: The Stone of Cold Fire (Original rating: 6.5/10)
- 7.25/10: The Big Freeze (Original rating: 6.75/10, then 7/10)
- 4/10: Journey to Big Water
- 7.5/10: The Great Longneck Migration
- 4/10: Invasion of the Tinysauruses
- 6/10: The Great Day of the Flyers
- 4/10: The Wisdom of Friends
- 5/10: Journey of the Brave

I also rated each of the TV episodes:
Spoiler: ShowHide
- 4/10: The Cave of Many Voices
- 7/10: The Mysterious Tooth Crisis
- 6/10: The Star Day Celebration
- 6.5/10: The Canyon of Shiny Stones
- 4/10: The Great Log Running Game
- 7/10: The Brave Longneck Scheme
- 7/10: The Meadow of Jumping Waters
- 6/10: The Days of Rising Waters
- 7.5/10: Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
- 6/10: The Hidden Canyon
- 7/10: The Legend of the Story Speakers
- 7/10: The Bright Circle Celebration
- 4.5/10: The Lonely Journey
- 7.25/10: The Missing Fast-Water Adventure (Original rating: 7/10)
- 7.25/10: The Spooky Nighttime Adventure
- 7/10: The Lone Dinosaur Returns (Original rating: 6.75/10)
- 6.5/10: Strange from the Mysterious Above
- 6/10: The Forbidden Friendship
- 3/10: The Amazing Threehorn Girl
- 7/10: The Big Longneck Test
- 6.75/10: The Hermit of Blackrock
- 7.25/10: Return to Hanging Rock
- 6.5/10: March of the Sand Creepers
- 6.75/10: Search for the Sky Color Stones
- 7/10: Through the Eyes of a Spiketail
- 6.5/10: The Great Egg Adventure

I feel like some of these might change again over time. And I mentioned before that I think I was being a bit too hard on Journey of the Brave the first time around, but for now that's where it is for me.
Title: Re: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Compsognathus on January 02, 2021, 07:11:52 AM
I: 3
II: 4
III: 2
IV: 2
V: 5
VI: 4
VII: 3
VIII: 4
IX: 3
X: 3
XI: 1
XII: 4
XIII: 1
XIV: 3
Title: Re: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Sharpely on January 05, 2021, 01:59:09 AM
Ok, admittedly I haven't seen all the films because I had so many I'd just rewatch as a kid, but here goes nothin'

I: 4
II: 3
III: 4
IV: 3
V: 5
VI: 3
VII: 3.5
VIII: 3.5
IX: 4
X: 2
XI: 3
XII: 3.5
XIII: 1
XIV: ? (only one I haven't seen enough of to form an opinion on :p)
Title: Re: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Dr. Rex on June 27, 2021, 02:43:37 AM
One of these days I'm gonna watch all the movies and rank them. It's been awhile.
You should definitely do it! Leave behind a record for posterity's sake.
Indeed. That's one of the reasons I've enjoyed reviewing the series since I joined the forum. Even as some of my opinions have changed since then, but that's part of why I like having an archive of how I felt at the time.
:cerahappy

Anyway, I'll admit that the first film is the only one I truly love. But for the most part I did enjoy the rest of the series.

- 10/10: The Land Before Time
- 6.5/10: The Great Valley Adventure (Original rating: 6/10)
- 7/10: The Time of the Great Giving
- 7.5/10: Journey Through the Mists (Original rating: 7.25/10)
- 7.5/10: The Mysterious Island (Original rating: 7/10)
- 6.5/10: The Secret of Saurus Rock
- 7/10: The Stone of Cold Fire (Original rating: 6.5/10)
- 7.25/10: The Big Freeze (Original rating: 6.75/10, then 7/10)
- 4/10: Journey to Big Water
- 7.5/10: The Great Longneck Migration
- 4/10: Invasion of the Tinysauruses
- 6/10: The Great Day of the Flyers
- 4/10: The Wisdom of Friends
- 5/10: Journey of the Brave

I also rated each of the TV episodes:
Spoiler: ShowHide
- 4/10: The Cave of Many Voices
- 7/10: The Mysterious Tooth Crisis
- 6/10: The Star Day Celebration
- 6.5/10: The Canyon of Shiny Stones
- 4/10: The Great Log Running Game
- 7/10: The Brave Longneck Scheme
- 7/10: The Meadow of Jumping Waters
- 6/10: The Days of Rising Waters
- 7.5/10: Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
- 6/10: The Hidden Canyon
- 7/10: The Legend of the Story Speakers
- 7/10: The Bright Circle Celebration
- 4.5/10: The Lonely Journey
- 7.25/10: The Missing Fast-Water Adventure (Original rating: 7/10)
- 7.25/10: The Spooky Nighttime Adventure
- 7/10: The Lone Dinosaur Returns (Original rating: 6.75/10)
- 6.5/10: Strange from the Mysterious Above
- 6/10: The Forbidden Friendship
- 3/10: The Amazing Threehorn Girl
- 7/10: The Big Longneck Test
- 6.75/10: The Hermit of Blackrock
- 7.25/10: Return to Hanging Rock
- 6.5/10: March of the Sand Creepers
- 6.75/10: Search for the Sky Color Stones
- 7/10: Through the Eyes of a Spiketail
- 6.5/10: The Great Egg Adventure

I feel like some of these might change again over time. And I mentioned before that I think I was being a bit too hard on Journey of the Brave the first time around, but for now that's where it is for me.
I notice your second-highest score is a 7.5. Those are some standards, if I do say so myself.
Title: Re: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: StardustSoldier on June 27, 2021, 03:34:05 PM
There's plenty of other movies and video games etc. where I have given out 8/10 and 9/10 scores. It's not unheard of for me. It happens quite a bit actually. It just didn't happen with Land Before Time.

If I am being completely honest though, my love for Land Before Time revolves around the first film more than anything. The first film alone is what made me a fan, and I would still be a fan of that one movie even if the rest of the franchise had never existed. Back when I first joined the forum, I was even reluctant to check out the sequels because I already knew that they weren't like the original and I was worried that they just wouldn't measure up.

And... well, they didn't. The other forum members convinced me that I should give them a try anyway, and I'm happy I did. The sequels and TV series still have a charm of their own. But, imo, nothing that comes close to the brilliance that Don Bluth and his team attained.
Title: Re: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Dr. Rex on June 30, 2021, 11:04:35 PM
There's plenty of other movies and video games etc. where I have given out 8/10 and 9/10 scores. It's not unheard of for me. It happens quite a bit actually. It just didn't happen with Land Before Time.

If I am being completely honest though, my love for Land Before Time revolves around the first film more than anything. The first film alone is what made me a fan, and I would still be a fan of that one movie even if the rest of the franchise had never existed. Back when I first joined the forum, I was even reluctant to check out the sequels because I already knew that they weren't like the original and I was worried that they just wouldn't measure up.

And... well, they didn't. The other forum members convinced me that I should give them a try anyway, and I'm happy I did. The sequels and TV series still have a charm of their own. But, imo, nothing that comes close to the brilliance that Don Bluth and his team attained.
Ah, okay.
Title: Re: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: chomper94 on July 01, 2021, 06:36:18 AM
Ok, I’m going to be rating the sequels now:

1st movie: 5
2nd movie: 4
3rd movie: 4
4th movie: 3
5th movie: 4
6th movie: 2
7th movie: 4
8th movie: 5
9th movie: 2
10th movie: 3
11th movie: 2
12th movie: 1
13th movie: 1
14th movie: 3

As to why I rated the 13th movie a 1, it’s because it did manage to give me chuckles for some reason.  Although due to the yellow bellies being my most hated LBT character (seriously Universal, you used professional voice actors who won many awards star as the yellow bellied?!), I gave this movie a 1.  Sorry if that upsets you… :ChomperEww
Title: Re: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: LittleDas75 on July 01, 2021, 11:19:32 PM


As to why I rated the 13th movie a 1, it’s because it did manage to give me chuckles for some reason.  Although due to the yellow bellies being my most hated LBT character (seriously Universal, you used professional voice actors who won many awards star as the yellow bellied?!), I gave this movie a 1.  Sorry if that upsets you… :ChomperEww
It's okay. If you know me I would never get upset about that. Anyway here are my ratings
2: 8/10
3: 9/10
4: 9/10
5: 7/10
6: 8/10
7: 9/10
8: 9/10
9: 9/10
10: 9/10
11: 6/10
12: 9/10
13: 9/10
14: 7/10
So as you can tell I love these films with a passion. I don't consider any of them to be bad. Even the lowest rated one I only consider to be meh.
Title: Re: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Hammy on July 02, 2021, 03:38:02 AM
I'm not the biggest fan of number ratings as a whole, I prefer discussion, but hey, this seems like a fun thing to think about for a bit. I also haven't rewatched 12-14 in a while, so I've omitted them.

1: 10/10. Absolutely a fantastic film that could only be improved by reversing some of the cuts and edits made, such as Littlefoot finding the Great Valley prior to going back for his friends. This film really stands in a world of its own compared to the sequels, and I generally believe that comparing it to the sequels isn't the fairest thing. The Bluth movie is in a league of its own.

2: 7/10. I have fairly mixed feelings about this movie. It's not my favorite rewatch as the sequels go, but nor is it poor. The story is competent, setting up Littlefoot's insecurities about being so young before introducing Chomper as a vehicle for the overall theme (and marketing cute baby tyrannosaurus plushies). Ozzy and Strut, while largely benign, are certainly memorable characters with a dare I say iconic song. Very much an immediate contrast with Sharptooth from the first film. Really, I do like to imagine a world where the point of the movie overall is contrasting the original Sharptooth with Chomper and his parents, and how that effects Littlefoot as a character. That yes, some sharpteeth are vicious and possibly psychopathic, but some are also family units, just like the leaf-eaters, and they gotta eat too ultimately. I like 2/3 of the songs. Peaceful Valley is great, Eggs is iconic, You're One of us Now is lyrically baffling and just kinda mediocre in my book.

3: 8/10. I've really grown to appreciate this movie over the years. I liked it as a kid, was bored by it rewatching as a teen, and now as an adult, I think it's a genuinely very good story to present to both kids and adults. It's also what I'd consider the start of Topps' "arc" of sorts, which is picked up in movie 11. Hyp and co are stereotypical bullies, yeah, but at the same time, Hyp conveys a lot about how parenting can effect a kid. He's venting his frustration and fear of his father in a very unhealthy way, and it's nice to see that he's both not demonized and gets to see a hopeful ending. The way Topps' problem with yelling at Cera is tied in with Hyp's issues hits me hard, and I can imagine parents seeing that while watching with their kids and going, "You know, the triceratops may have a point." Certainly while growing up, I knew kids with parents that yelled, even though they clearly cared, and I just appreciate that that's tackled with some level of nuance. I know a lot of people hate Topps in this movie, but I consider him a vital character specifically because he's so abrasive and stubborn, yet not in an unbelievable way. Also, I very much enjoy all of the songs in this movie, compared to 2/3 in 2. Kids Like Us is a little unnecessary, but very touching.

4: 5/10. It's not bad, but I don't entirely understand the adoration this movie has. Part of that might be because it was one of the sequels I saw the least as a kid, but I've watched it several times now and I just don't quite get it. It's not awful, not at all, but man, I'm not an Ali fan and we see a lot of her in the movie. I just don't see the nuance that I see in 3 here. Ali is a bigot and quite literally afraid of Littlefoot's friend. She mostly gets over it when Littlefoot is in danger.  She entirely gets over it by the end and sings a whole song about not being bigoted. It's perfectly functional, sure, but I dunno, I prefer a less on-the-nose approach. If you're gonna have Ali be genuinely afraid, then I'd like some of that residual fear to remain, at least for a while. As in, she's working on it, she's not entirely "cured". Also, I just don't like any of the songs. It Takes All Sorts is probably the best, but it's so drawn out and on-the-nose. Some of it is lovely, and then some of it is just droning. Grandma's Lullaby is okay, but again, drawn out, and the voice actress is doing her best, but clearly struggling with the vocals. Who Needs You is an abomination and possibly the worst song in the entire franchise. Dear God, I forgot to talk about Ichy and Dil. Great concept, completely inept execution. I know that all the sharpteeth in the sequels are pretty useless, but these two are just painful to witness. They're neither intimidating nor do they come close to being any kind of threat. The movie would be better without them entirely.

5: 7/10. Continuing on the vicious vs. family-oriented sharptooth train from 2. I really enjoy that Chomper's parents aren't especially remorseful about eating leaf-eaters, but at the same time, they're not unfeeling monsters, clearly. They worry for their son and don't want to hurt his friends once they see that he cares for them and they care for him. It's honestly not the most interesting of sequels as a whole, not too much I can dig into. Songs are good though. Big Water is catchy and iconic, very different, with its rock rhythms. Always There is heartbreakingly good. Friends For Dinner is aight, not much special about it, but pleasant on the ears.

6: 8/10. Very much enjoy the dinosaur western feel here. Doc is a character that I wish had been explored more, as in why exactly he wanders, what does he mean by his path was set out a long time ago, but that's not the point of the movie. The point of the movie is that Grandpa Longneck is great, and that's entirely correct, Grandpa Longneck is great and I love seeing him tell stories to the kids. I love the ending statement that Littlefoot has heroes closer to home than he realizes, hits me in the feels every time. Albeit, the movie is a little odd coming off of 5, with the whole "It's a good thing sharpteeth aren't very smart" after spending so much time with Chomper and his folks. Songs are great, Legend of the Lone Dinosaur is iconic, On Your Own is a really nice melancholy, mellow break,

7: 9/10. Here's one that you can question the morality of fairly heavily. It's always interesting to me that Ducky insists to Petrie that his uncle wasn't as mean as the other flyers when Pterano is, supposedly, the head of the group. He might not have wanted to lose Ducky, but it was his plan and reckless ambition that got her kidnapped in the first place. I like the song Good Inside in general, even if it's pretty on-the-nose. Pterano is an interesting character, in terms of how he falls into a pattern of behavior, and doesn't really entirely recover from it by the end of the movie. Yeah, he's given up on the stone, but God only knows what he'll do while banished from the Great Valley. The guy's got narcissism issues. Very much enjoyed the Rainbow Faces' presence. Beyond the Mysterious Beyond is excellent, as is the overall theme of, essentially, encouraging curiosity and discovery. Yeah, aliens in LBT is a bit odd, but it's not overbearing in the movie and does add another layer of mystery to the whole affair. I'm also probably pretty biased because this is the LBT movie I watched the most as a kid, more than the original even.

8: 10/10. This is about as good as the sequels get for me, and it mostly comes down to the Spike and Ducky family issues with support from Mr. Thicknose's arc. Ducky struggling with Spike as an adopted sibling is just a really good idea, and it's executed incredibly well. It's clear that she loves her brother, but him being different is naturally going to be a source of stress at some point. She acts like a very believable frustrated child coming to terms with being frustrated and angry. Mama Swimmer is clearly going through a lot too as these spiketails roll in and she's made to question if Spike would be better with them. She loves Spike enough that her own feelings are put aside in favor of Spike's well-being, even if it turns out in the end that Spike comes back. The ending with Spike falling into deep water and her saving him and declaring that he's her boy is just beautiful in my view. Heart-warming and definitely a wonderful thing for adoptive families to see. Family is a heart-wrenchingly beautiful song and is not appreciated nearly enough. Mr. Thicknose's arc in turn is a great example of what I like in a LBT sequel: nuance. Yes, he lies and it causes problems, but he's not a bad guy, not even coming close to Pterano. He clearly cares about the kids, even if he's initially defensive with Littlefoot. The Lesson is a song that I know a lot of people don't like, but I adore it in how it tackles the idea of wanting to belong and to be cared for and that it's okay if that need leads people, or dinosaurs, astray at times. Even good people are tempted and do things that aren't right. I like how the liar revealed trope is at least somewhat subverted, with the main characters at least not shunning Thicknose over his lies, but trying to understand him. It's just really good. Small thing, but god, I love Topps going "Oh yeah, she's mad at someone" when Cera screams during The Mad Song. It's not exactly the normal kind of family affection, but he loves his daughter, that's for sure.

9: 4/10. I don't really like this one, and, worse still, I don't have much to say about it. The whole No One Has to be Alone thing is fine in concept, but I don't find that it has a good throughline throughout the movie. It kinda appears and disappears, it's not a constant. Loneliness isn't a big issue throughout the majority of the film, the issue is getting Mo back to where he came from and his inability to know when a joke is too far. It's watchable, but not much interesting going on. No One Has to be Alone is good as a song on its own, but it doesn't have much function in the movie. Imaginary Friends and the boring song with the French name I can never remember are both so uninteresting to me. No pulse, nothing to latch onto.

10: 7/10. It's not a bad movie, but I don't really understand the love, much like 4. Bron is certainly Littlefoot's dad, but there's just not much meat on his character. He's stoic, maybe? Kinda playful, kinda fatherly, but not the strongest character. Not awful, but not great. The whole longneck migration thing is interesting, albeit, I'd be interested to know exactly the cause for the mass dreaming. Adventuring is a fine song, but I think the TV show has kinda dampened its appeal for me. Me and My Dad, very plain, not much pulse. Best of Friends, really good, albeit I don't feel it's especially earned, given that I don't find the overall story and Bron to be all that compelling. There's just not much exploration of the emotions around a situation of an estranged parent. Littlefoot's upset, but he gets over it really quickly and then he's just buddy-buddy with Bron. I'd have liked more animosity with him and Shorty and Bron's relationship with Shorty. Also, the sharptooth fights are underwhelming. Maybe it's me, but they feel waaay too easy and low stakes compared to even something like in 5. It's a perfectly functional movie, but it doesn't hold my interest.

11:8/10. Surprisingly solid film. Not the best, but some really good stuff in here regarding emotions and step-parents. I've talked about it a bit in other threads so I won't make this post any longer than it already is. Creepy Crawlies, catchy and alright. Girls and Dads, great, love the doo-wop style. If Only, kinda sappy, not awful, but doesn't entirely feel earned even if I like the general idea of using regret to improve in the future. Stupid Stompers, same as Creepy Crawlies. Basically, Cera's sub-plot is great and most everything else is take it or leave it.
Title: Re: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: StardustSoldier on July 02, 2021, 08:22:26 PM
Excellent overview, Hammy! I thoroughly enjoyed reading it.
Title: Re: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Dr. Rex on July 03, 2021, 02:33:41 AM
I'm not the biggest fan of number ratings as a whole, I prefer discussion, but hey, this seems like a fun thing to think about for a bit. I also haven't rewatched 12-14 in a while, so I've omitted them.

1: 10/10. Absolutely a fantastic film that could only be improved by reversing some of the cuts and edits made, such as Littlefoot finding the Great Valley prior to going back for his friends. This film really stands in a world of its own compared to the sequels, and I generally believe that comparing it to the sequels isn't the fairest thing. The Bluth movie is in a league of its own.

2: 7/10. I have fairly mixed feelings about this movie. It's not my favorite rewatch as the sequels go, but nor is it poor. The story is competent, setting up Littlefoot's insecurities about being so young before introducing Chomper as a vehicle for the overall theme (and marketing cute baby tyrannosaurus plushies). Ozzy and Strut, while largely benign, are certainly memorable characters with a dare I say iconic song. Very much an immediate contrast with Sharptooth from the first film. Really, I do like to imagine a world where the point of the movie overall is contrasting the original Sharptooth with Chomper and his parents, and how that effects Littlefoot as a character. That yes, some sharpteeth are vicious and possibly psychopathic, but some are also family units, just like the leaf-eaters, and they gotta eat too ultimately. I like 2/3 of the songs. Peaceful Valley is great, Eggs is iconic, You're One of us Now is lyrically baffling and just kinda mediocre in my book.

3: 8/10. I've really grown to appreciate this movie over the years. I liked it as a kid, was bored by it rewatching as a teen, and now as an adult, I think it's a genuinely very good story to present to both kids and adults. It's also what I'd consider the start of Topps' "arc" of sorts, which is picked up in movie 11. Hyp and co are stereotypical bullies, yeah, but at the same time, Hyp conveys a lot about how parenting can effect a kid. He's venting his frustration and fear of his father in a very unhealthy way, and it's nice to see that he's both not demonized and gets to see a hopeful ending. The way Topps' problem with yelling at Cera is tied in with Hyp's issues hits me hard, and I can imagine parents seeing that while watching with their kids and going, "You know, the triceratops may have a point." Certainly while growing up, I knew kids with parents that yelled, even though they clearly cared, and I just appreciate that that's tackled with some level of nuance. I know a lot of people hate Topps in this movie, but I consider him a vital character specifically because he's so abrasive and stubborn, yet not in an unbelievable way. Also, I very much enjoy all of the songs in this movie, compared to 2/3 in 2. Kids Like Us is a little unnecessary, but very touching.

4: 5/10. It's not bad, but I don't entirely understand the adoration this movie has. Part of that might be because it was one of the sequels I saw the least as a kid, but I've watched it several times now and I just don't quite get it. It's not awful, not at all, but man, I'm not an Ali fan and we see a lot of her in the movie. I just don't see the nuance that I see in 3 here. Ali is a bigot and quite literally afraid of Littlefoot's friend. She mostly gets over it when Littlefoot is in danger.  She entirely gets over it by the end and sings a whole song about not being bigoted. It's perfectly functional, sure, but I dunno, I prefer a less on-the-nose approach. If you're gonna have Ali be genuinely afraid, then I'd like some of that residual fear to remain, at least for a while. As in, she's working on it, she's not entirely "cured". Also, I just don't like any of the songs. It Takes All Sorts is probably the best, but it's so drawn out and on-the-nose. Some of it is lovely, and then some of it is just droning. Grandma's Lullaby is okay, but again, drawn out, and the voice actress is doing her best, but clearly struggling with the vocals. Who Needs You is an abomination and possibly the worst song in the entire franchise. Dear God, I forgot to talk about Ichy and Dil. Great concept, completely inept execution. I know that all the sharpteeth in the sequels are pretty useless, but these two are just painful to witness. They're neither intimidating nor do they come close to being any kind of threat. The movie would be better without them entirely.

5: 7/10. Continuing on the vicious vs. family-oriented sharptooth train from 2. I really enjoy that Chomper's parents aren't especially remorseful about eating leaf-eaters, but at the same time, they're not unfeeling monsters, clearly. They worry for their son and don't want to hurt his friends once they see that he cares for them and they care for him. It's honestly not the most interesting of sequels as a whole, not too much I can dig into. Songs are good though. Big Water is catchy and iconic, very different, with its rock rhythms. Always There is heartbreakingly good. Friends For Dinner is aight, not much special about it, but pleasant on the ears.

6: 8/10. Very much enjoy the dinosaur western feel here. Doc is a character that I wish had been explored more, as in why exactly he wanders, what does he mean by his path was set out a long time ago, but that's not the point of the movie. The point of the movie is that Grandpa Longneck is great, and that's entirely correct, Grandpa Longneck is great and I love seeing him tell stories to the kids. I love the ending statement that Littlefoot has heroes closer to home than he realizes, hits me in the feels every time. Albeit, the movie is a little odd coming off of 5, with the whole "It's a good thing sharpteeth aren't very smart" after spending so much time with Chomper and his folks. Songs are great, Legend of the Lone Dinosaur is iconic, On Your Own is a really nice melancholy, mellow break,

7: 9/10. Here's one that you can question the morality of fairly heavily. It's always interesting to me that Ducky insists to Petrie that his uncle wasn't as mean as the other flyers when Pterano is, supposedly, the head of the group. He might not have wanted to lose Ducky, but it was his plan and reckless ambition that got her kidnapped in the first place. I like the song Good Inside in general, even if it's pretty on-the-nose. Pterano is an interesting character, in terms of how he falls into a pattern of behavior, and doesn't really entirely recover from it by the end of the movie. Yeah, he's given up on the stone, but God only knows what he'll do while banished from the Great Valley. The guy's got narcissism issues. Very much enjoyed the Rainbow Faces' presence. Beyond the Mysterious Beyond is excellent, as is the overall theme of, essentially, encouraging curiosity and discovery. Yeah, aliens in LBT is a bit odd, but it's not overbearing in the movie and does add another layer of mystery to the whole affair. I'm also probably pretty biased because this is the LBT movie I watched the most as a kid, more than the original even.

8: 10/10. This is about as good as the sequels get for me, and it mostly comes down to the Spike and Ducky family issues with support from Mr. Thicknose's arc. Ducky struggling with Spike as an adopted sibling is just a really good idea, and it's executed incredibly well. It's clear that she loves her brother, but him being different is naturally going to be a source of stress at some point. She acts like a very believable frustrated child coming to terms with being frustrated and angry. Mama Swimmer is clearly going through a lot too as these spiketails roll in and she's made to question if Spike would be better with them. She loves Spike enough that her own feelings are put aside in favor of Spike's well-being, even if it turns out in the end that Spike comes back. The ending with Spike falling into deep water and her saving him and declaring that he's her boy is just beautiful in my view. Heart-warming and definitely a wonderful thing for adoptive families to see. Family is a heart-wrenchingly beautiful song and is not appreciated nearly enough. Mr. Thicknose's arc in turn is a great example of what I like in a LBT sequel: nuance. Yes, he lies and it causes problems, but he's not a bad guy, not even coming close to Pterano. He clearly cares about the kids, even if he's initially defensive with Littlefoot. The Lesson is a song that I know a lot of people don't like, but I adore it in how it tackles the idea of wanting to belong and to be cared for and that it's okay if that need leads people, or dinosaurs, astray at times. Even good people are tempted and do things that aren't right. I like how the liar revealed trope is at least somewhat subverted, with the main characters at least not shunning Thicknose over his lies, but trying to understand him. It's just really good. Small thing, but god, I love Topps going "Oh yeah, she's mad at someone" when Cera screams during The Mad Song. It's not exactly the normal kind of family affection, but he loves his daughter, that's for sure.

9: 4/10. I don't really like this one, and, worse still, I don't have much to say about it. The whole No One Has to be Alone thing is fine in concept, but I don't find that it has a good throughline throughout the movie. It kinda appears and disappears, it's not a constant. Loneliness isn't a big issue throughout the majority of the film, the issue is getting Mo back to where he came from and his inability to know when a joke is too far. It's watchable, but not much interesting going on. No One Has to be Alone is good as a song on its own, but it doesn't have much function in the movie. Imaginary Friends and the boring song with the French name I can never remember are both so uninteresting to me. No pulse, nothing to latch onto.

10: 7/10. It's not a bad movie, but I don't really understand the love, much like 4. Bron is certainly Littlefoot's dad, but there's just not much meat on his character. He's stoic, maybe? Kinda playful, kinda fatherly, but not the strongest character. Not awful, but not great. The whole longneck migration thing is interesting, albeit, I'd be interested to know exactly the cause for the mass dreaming. Adventuring is a fine song, but I think the TV show has kinda dampened its appeal for me. Me and My Dad, very plain, not much pulse. Best of Friends, really good, albeit I don't feel it's especially earned, given that I don't find the overall story and Bron to be all that compelling. There's just not much exploration of the emotions around a situation of an estranged parent. Littlefoot's upset, but he gets over it really quickly and then he's just buddy-buddy with Bron. I'd have liked more animosity with him and Shorty and Bron's relationship with Shorty. Also, the sharptooth fights are underwhelming. Maybe it's me, but they feel waaay too easy and low stakes compared to even something like in 5. It's a perfectly functional movie, but it doesn't hold my interest.

11:8/10. Surprisingly solid film. Not the best, but some really good stuff in here regarding emotions and step-parents. I've talked about it a bit in other threads so I won't make this post any longer than it already is. Creepy Crawlies, catchy and alright. Girls and Dads, great, love the doo-wop style. If Only, kinda sappy, not awful, but doesn't entirely feel earned even if I like the general idea of using regret to improve in the future. Stupid Stompers, same as Creepy Crawlies. Basically, Cera's sub-plot is great and most everything else is take it or leave it.
What about 12, 13, and 14? Haven't watched them yet, or the post exceeded the maximum word count length?
Title: Re: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: Hammy on July 03, 2021, 03:16:41 AM
What about 12, 13, and 14? Haven't watched them yet, or the post exceeded the maximum word count length?
Mentioned that in the little bit above my ratings, but easy to miss. I omitted those movies because it's been a long while since I've seen them and it didn't seem fair to rank them based only on what I remember. I'll watch them sooner or later and maybe come back here with my ratings and some discussion.
Title: Re: Score/Rate the sequels
Post by: 00not_nathan00 on April 07, 2022, 02:31:26 AM
My IMDb score goes:
LBT1 10/10
LBT2 9/10
LBT3 7/10
LBT4 9/10
LBT5 8/10
LBT6 9/10
LBT7 7/10
LBT8 3/10
LBT9 9/10
LBT10 7/10
LBT11 3/10
LBT12 3/10
LBT13 1/10
LBT14 6/10