The Gang of Five
The Land Before Time => General Land Before Time => Character Discussion => Topic started by: Dinonut on August 26, 2007, 12:16:26 AM
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Whatever happened to Hyp, Mutt, and Nod? They first appeared in The Land Before Time III, but they were nowhere to be seen in the other sequels of The Land Before Time or in the TV series.
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We don't know. We'll probably never know. They're not important to the story anymore so no one really cares about them.
...Though I did quite like Hyp, but that's besides the point.
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Ratiasu's guess is as good as mine. They just disappeared like Dana and Dinah, the threehorn twins. I wouldn't mind some more appearances from them, even (or better yet, especially) if it meant not as many new characters being introduced. Sadly, it does look like the old characters have been left by the wayside. However, the TV series has has a habit of showing guest characters again (Ali, Mo, Doc, Mr. Thicknose, etc.). Mabey in Season 2...?
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I hope we see them again. Universal should reuse some of the guest characters instead of creating new ones all the time. These three are still very usable characters and those two in LBT 13 are just stupid. They should bring back some of the older characters :yes
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I took the liberty to move this thread to the character discussion section.
Hyp, Nod, and Mutt are definitely on the list of characters who could do well in further land before time stories. While their "sublimation" at the end of LBT 3 reached a somewhat mawkish degree I'm quite sure that there wouldn't be a total change of personality for any of them. Even though they may remember the most basic lessons of LBT 3 I expect they would still remain kind of "unruly" teenagers which would be a a refreshing change with all the younger or fully grownup characters.
The three are of course no homogeneous group. Hyp is definitely on top of the pecking order in spite of being the smallest and probably physically weakest of the group (Cera: "your kind never gets very big.") but with all his shortcomings he seems to be the brightest and the most self assertive of the group which makes him being accepted as the leader.
Nod would be number two in the pecking order. Not much of a thinker and basically willing to submit to Hyp's will (having him ride on his back) he still won't accept everything Hyp says if what he is saying calls his own courage or whatever into question. By doing just that (questioning his courage) Hyp manages to manipulate him into following.
Mutt finally is really just the follower parroting the other's words and actions without really thinking about the why. He would probably be the most affable and least autonomous of the three if left to himself.
One question about Hyp, Nod, and Mutt that was raised in another thread was just how far they would have gone with their evil actions. Some people think that, when hunting Littlefoot and the others after finding the water hole, Hyp planned to actually kill them. I do not agree with that idea.
Hyp is a loudmouth, a bully, a rowdy, and probably ready to use violence to achieve his aims; but I do not think that he is a killer. Perhaps nothing would have brought Hyp into a more embarassing situation than if he and his friends had managed to corner Littlefoot and the others after the finding of the waterhole. On the one hand he would have had to be "tough" in order not to loose face for Nod and Mutt. On the other hand he could not possibly commit such a crime as suggested above. He would have been on the horns of a dilemma trying to intimidate Littlefoot and the others enough to stop them from telling others about the waterhole (I don't see how he could have managed to do this).
I know of three published "official" land before time stories (non-fanfictions) which include Hyp, Nod, and Mutt. One of them appeared in a booklet titled "All together". The story comes down to a contest between Littlefoot, Cera, Ducky, Petrie, and Spike on the one and Hyp, Nod, and Mutt on the other side. The message of course is that by working together (something especially Cera has to learn first) they can overcome the bullies advantage in superior strength during the contest.
The second story is from one board book and was elaborated in an audio play (which was published in Germany). The title is very similar to that of the booklet: "We did it together". In that story Hyp, Nod, and Mutt capture Spike and Littlefoot and the others have to work together to make the bullies think that a huge unknown dinosaur is approaching to chase them away and free Spike.
Finally there was a story involving Hyp, Nod, and Mutt published in a land before time magazine which was issued in Germany in late 2000 early 2001 (sadly only four issues appeared before it was stopped). I have to read it again to remember the details, but once again it was about Littlefoot and the others outwitting Hyp, Nod, and Mutt who were remarkably identified as Sharpteeth in that story! :blink:
Doesn't sound like the author ever watched LBT 3, does it? :lol
I included Hyp, Nod, and Mutt in one LBT story I'm writing. It is really fun to let them encounter another gang of unruly teenagers. B)
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They would be interesting characters to see reappear. They should bring some characters back. It would be nice if they were like Malte279 and not super nice, but better then they were before, in most situations, but unruly teenagers.
I was watching the movie today and after watching the song where they sing (far more then once, something I find I do, I can't watch most songs just once) I was wondering what would they do to an individual who was an adult but smaller then them I wonder.
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I was watching the movie today and after watching the song where they sing (far more then once, something I find I do, I can't watch most songs just once) I was wondering what would they do to an individual who was an adult but smaller then them I wonder.
You're screnario is quite unlikely (remember, "Your kind never gets very big."), but possible (the full grown fliers seem to be small compared to other adults, and don't even get me started on the Tinysauruses :rolleyes: ). I assume that they would threaten them like any other "baby" in the Valley. I kind of doubt they would beat such an adult (or anyone else, for that matter) to a pulp, but we never got a definite answer to such a question in LBT 3. There is an episode of LBT TV floating around, though....
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A LBT tv episode, which one?
The smallest adults I can think of are the flyers, like you mentioned, and maybe some like the rainbowfaces.
Could be sorta funny long term if they did like you suggested. Some adults would then go and tell some of the other adults, though some could be bullied.
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A LBT tv episode, which one?
See this (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=2008) thread for the episode in question.
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Thanks, one of the episodes I don't have. Wonder if you can give a bit of info on how they act, compared to in the 3rd movie, without giving away any spoilers?
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I've never seen that episode, as it hasn't aired in the US, just in Europe. So far, a recording of it has failed to appear on the internet (that we know of). We do have watchers here, though. ;)
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Hope to see it soon. Was hoping you had seen it. Guess many of us are waiting for it.
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If you'll view a few threads in the forum on this board dedicated to the Land Before Time TV Series, you'll find that extensive efforts have been made to make these viewable to all who want to see them. I think that landbeforetimelover and Threehorn are especially involved in such efforts.
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It would be nice if they were like Malte279 and not super nice, but better then they were before, in most situations, but unruly teenagers.
So I am a not super nice unruly teenager? :lol
I guess you missed a word ;)
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Yes, I did miss a word, never noticed it till you said, does make for a pretty funny statement. :lol
Landbeforetimelover's site is where I got all the tv episodes I have. A great service till one can get the dvd's. Does Threehorn have a site like Landbeforetimelover does?
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EDIT: YOU EDITED! :lol
EDIT: To answer the question you just edited in, no, not that I know of. He may know otherwise, though....
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Whatever happened to Hyp, Mutt, and Nod? They first appeared in The Land Before Time III, but they were nowhere to be seen in the other sequels of The Land Before Time or in the TV series.
I remember not liking this group as a kid, but now that I look at them, I really like them. Especially Hyp, he's one of those kids that are completely misunderstood and just angry, he's not evil, he just has ego-issues and is a very angry kid.
I did see the episode in the TV series and Hyp does not look like himself! :p I really didn't like that. Mostly because I liked Hyp original appearance just the way it was.
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Hyp's actions may be a clue as to how his father treats him, and likely how Cera would have become if not for the influence of Littlefoot and the others. He seems a bit better in the tv series as far as how he acts, maybe a sign of the reaction of the 3rd movie and his maturing a bit and maybe his father acting a bit better towards his son.
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Big Bafoons is what they are. Still I respect them.
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I'm kind of interested in what would happen if they met another group of Big Bafoons :p
That could make for a story element.
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They may invite each other to do some dancing or something & have fun.
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I'm kind of interested in what would happen if they met another group of Big Bafoons :p
That could make for a story element.
I would Love to see that!
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Hyp, Mutt and Nod are all 'teenage' dinosaurs anyway. They wouldn't really want to 'hang' with Littlefoot and his friends.
Yet, I do miss seeing them. I didn't understand why they were being mean, but I thought they were good characters.
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It seems Hyp may be mean since his dad is mean to him, similar to how Cera's is to her. Nod may be either one who likes being mean or is a hanger on, and Mutt hangs out with Hyp and is mean when he is. Nod may be afraid of Hyp, but Mutt hangs out with the other 2. Maybe when they were younger there were no other dinos their age & no more understanding dino to blunt the effects of hyp's dad & whatever Nod's parents were like.
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Hyp was dominant, if I recall.
I did think that they travelled with the others to get to the great valley, so thus that way they became friends through travelling....
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With no Littlefoot or Ducky type to blunt the influence of Hyp's dad on Hyp. Hyp is similar to how Cera may have turned out if not for Littlefoot, Ducky, Littlefoot's grandparents and certain others.
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Why must some parent put there own influences on the children? It makes it bad for them to know they never had sensible home training.
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I think it's impossible for parents to not influence their kids. Though I'm no expert in that area.
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I just wanted to point out that there's a guy who looks almost like Hyp's dad in 5...except he's the wrong color:
(http://i39.tinypic.com/rmqpl3.png)
But I believe he can be seen earlier in the film when Grandpa says, "My friends, we have lived in the great valley so long we forget..."
But what confuses me is where the bullies themselves went. Obviously nowhere, since they're back for the tv series, but it seems weird they don't at least show up in the crowds or anything.
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That would have been good, to see them in group and crown shots.
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Personally, I liked Mutt more so than the other two, because he's a character I can actually relate to.
He seems to act like a child at heart just as I do at times! :DD
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Since Land Before Time 3 was the first movie I saw, I have some nostalgic fondness for this trio even if they are children’s show bully archetypes. Though how they harassed the gang, they weren’t wholly bad and could be persuaded to be better people in the right circumstances.
I agree Hyp seems to be the smartest. I suppose with a strict father like his, it would take some brains to get out from under that thumb and not get caught in too much trouble. He’s going through the teenage rebellion phase exasperated by how he’s parented. Despite his disobedience and fears, it’s clear that Hyp also admires and loves his father. When his friends insulted his father, Hyp objected and made an attempt to come to his rescue. Hyp learned to how to relate to others through his father’s parenting. Prior to arriving the valley, I surmise Hyp’s father was strict in order so his son could survive their tough and unforgiving environment. From that, Hyp learned that to survive and have standing, he must dominate those smaller and less powerful than himself.
There are moments where he is concerned about appearing unafraid and dependent, which leads him and his friends to do reckless and mean things. When they see mushy and soft kids like the gang, he leads them to go on the attack and dominate. Hyp and his friends went around acting like how they believe grownups act, not needing help and operating by their own rules. When the mushy and soft gang ended up acting like actual grownups by rescuing their tormenters in the Mysterious Beyond, it began a transformation that led Hyp’s posse to become better people.
Hyp’s posse kind of reverted in his TV show appearance, but they aren’t as bad as before. The gang strong-arming them in helping to move the fast biter eggs, with Hyp depending on Littlefoot and vice versa to survive, led him to once again respect and appreciate the longneck youth. In the end, he appeared proud to have done the right thing.
In both of his appearances, he was still snarky and a bit posing even after he became a better person. I can see him keeping these qualities even if he continues to have friendlier relations to the gang. At his best, he could become the teasing older sibling to the gang, trying to look after them even if the gang is better and smarter at doing such a thing. With his and Cera’s parallels, I can see them having a snarky but friendlier relationship as they grow up. I read someone note that he might have a bit of a height complex for his species as shown when the gang pointed out they’ll grow up to be bigger than him and that might be a source of a bit of his bullying.
As he grows up, he might come to see his small size not as a weakness but an asset. He can hitch rides on bigger dinosaurs and I can see him asking his compatriots to hitch a ride, hopping on before they can answer, and kicking back on their heads or backs while sighing contently. Said compatriots would sigh fondly and dump him off (at a reasonable height) or commit some other mischief in retaliation. Whatever their adolescent misadventures, I can see Hyp’s posse getting along with kids and teenagers as they grow up, being still snarky and a bit posey while being more careful and responsible.
For the other two, I admit I don’t have much material about Nod. I’ve mentally tried to flesh him out but he’s challenging. I do agree he isn’t much of a thinker and does defer to Hyp but there are moments when he does question Hyp, especially if he feels the latter’s logic is dodgy or if they’re reputation or survival are at stake. When his bravery is questioned, though, he quickly falls in line with Hyp. In moments of danger, he panics and doesn’t know what to do as much as Mutt. It takes the prodding of the likes of Hyp to get him to do the right thing. I surmise he aligned with Hyp because they share a similar kind of mindset and humor, and Hyp says a lot of what comes to his mind. I do have the amusing headcanon that he has overly affectionate parents who embarrass him and who are in turns fond of and concerned about Hyp and Mutt, and the shenanigans they get involved in.
As for Mutt, I think he’s one who joined Hyp and Mutt because he found being with them exciting and their snark funny. There’s a bit of a youthful soul in him that might or mightn’t be related to whatever disability he might have. He follows along to his friends beat more than anything else, and even then he kind of struggles with that. Every once in a while, he does offer objections, like with Hyp’s suggestion to go to the Mysterious Beyond to get water, but like with Nod he can’t stand being called a coward. He does seem the most affable among the trio. When Spike licked him to indicate he liked him and Nod, Mutt appeared delighted.
His TV appearance did build a sweet friendship between him and Chomper. Mutt was nervous about swimming across a lake and admitting he can’t swim but Chomper was nice and patient with him even when he panicked and bumbled in the water. Mutt became fond of him for this kindness, as shown when Mutt later rescued him from the Fast Biter. He shown in that scene he can be good-naturedly cheeky as well. In that episode, I felt we learned a bit more about him as a person even if he wasn’t the sole focus by any stretch and I became even fonder of him.
Anyway, these are my deep feelings about the trio.
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This trio is responsible for my relative distaste for the third film due to their stereotypical and lame role and annoying voices. Still, your points are mostly correct even when it comes to their personalities.
It's rather interesting but I found their appearance in the Great Egg Adventure much better than in the film. Here, they don't act as predictably and their lines aren't as stupid. The scenes between Hyp and Littlefoot, for example established much more in terms of interesting character development than the whole film did. Even with their highly different personalities, their strive to cooperate were nice to see and it had more idea than any of Hyp's scenes in the film. Also, the Chomper/Mutt scenes were actually rather enjoyable. The crossing of the lake was a nice scene that showed some personality traits of Mud and how he acts when the two others aren't present. The episode as a whole was one of the series' better ones, in my opinion. I still have nothing good to say about Nod, though.
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I'll be honest to you. I hate those guys. :lol: Having to deal with lots of similar characters growing up I came to view bullies as not so much a stereotype, but an archetype of a gutless, mentally weak people who lack the will and strength needed not to give into their aggresive feelings... And that's about it. I hate these guys just as much as I despise any person who'd behave like them in real life. Not much more to add. :)
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I can see how their characterization and interactions in the third movie might be clichÈ but again, my nostalgia kind of overwrites that.
I do like their TV appearance, for the developments of Hyp and Mutt as you stated. Poor Nod kind of got shafted though. A pity, his VA Scott Menville is talented from what I remember on Teen Titans and could have been used more.
Sorry about those experiences, Coyote_A. I only rarely had to deal with such people so far, but I can see why that might sour you on fictional versions of such difficult individuals.
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Sorry about those experiences, Coyote_A. I only rarely had to deal with such people so far, but I can see why that might sour you on fictional versions of such difficult individuals.
Hahaha, yeah. I guess I'm being overly negative. Sorry about that. :DD
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As bullies go from a horrible movie I didn't care for them at all. They weren't that good at there personality. I just didn't like them and his song was horrible as well.
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As far as cartoon bullies go, I feel like these guys are an example of how to do them right. Too many bullies in kids' shows have an absurd 180-degree turnaround at the last minute, and I do mean absurd. Poof--now they're a complete goody-two-shoes! I never could stand that kind of thing. I mean, what's that teach a kid about bullies in real life? Real bullies don't suddenly become your best friend just because you shared with them or talked to them or something! :bang
Hyp, Mutt, and Nod, thankfully, did not fall into that nauseating cartoon-bully trope. Even though they ended up working with the Gang of Five to save the day, it was done in a way that was believable, with the kids overlooking their rivalry to save their parents from sharpteeth. And throughout this scene, Hyp is still wisecracking, grumbling, and name-calling. ("By the time you move that rock, those sharpteeth are gonna be picking their teeth with our bones"/"This isn't gonna work!"/"Get in there and help, you creeps!") His personality hasn't changed, and it never does. Even in the ending scene when Mutt and Nod point out that he mentioned sharing, his response is, "Not sharing is for scaredy eggs!" and he looks like he's going to beat up anyone who challenges him. Better yet, his signature sneer remains on his face even as he walks away alongside the Gang.
However, I wouldn't say I like Hyp and his friends, since they are bullies, and they are mean...but hey, in the name of good storytelling, I'm glad I get to dislike them for being realistic bullies rather than for being unrealistic ones! :lol
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Hyp ,Mutt, and Nod weren't my favorite characters for a very long time, until I watched the movie a couple days ago. I just like them for their weird screams, and dance moves. :lol I also like that Hyp still acts tough, even after he learns his lesson.
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Hyp ,Mutt, and Nod weren't my favorite characters for a very long time, until I watched the movie a couple days ago. I just like them for their weird screams, and dance moves. :lol I also like that Hyp still acts tough, even after he learns his lesson.
Yeah, I'd meant to mention that they were kind of funny sometimes, though it's hard to say if it was intentional or not...we were cracking up at the end of "When You're Big" over their weird dance moves! :p
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They are the best dancers in the valley! :bestsharptooth
I really like these guys. They are like a foil to the main gang considering their tough and more aggressive attitudes and I wish they appeared more. I am glad they didn't go 180 either and they would remain trouble makers in the series. It would have been unrealistic and too easy. XD Why I like these bullies? I guess I like tough chars that are good deep down. Them helping Littlefoot in the series finale of the TV show solidified it for me. It makes me wish they had more development and a side story in which they go on misadventures without the gang of five/seven involved.
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They are the best dancers in the valley! :bestsharptooth
I really like these guys. They are like a foil to the main gang considering their tough and more aggressive attitudes and I wish they appeared more. I am glad they didn't go 180 either and they would remain trouble makers in the series. It would have been unrealistic and too easy. XD Why I like these bullies? I guess I like tough chars that are good deep down. Them helping Littlefoot in the series finale of the TV show solidified it for me. It makes me wish they had more development and a side story in which they go on misadventures without the gang of five/seven involved.
The TV show did a great job building off the ending of LBT III, and it would've been nice if they'd used the bullies more often to give them further development. The only thing I didn't like about their TV episode was Hyp's weird appearance change. Did they think they needed to tone down his mean look, like he was too scary or something? And why is he BROWN when he was obviously GRAY before?? Also weird: the Gang and the bullies are about the same size now. So much for "When You're Big." :p (Wait, does this mean the Gang actually grew??)