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The Land Before Time => General Land Before Time => Topic started by: Ratiasu on November 12, 2006, 03:59:59 AM
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I don't know about you, but personally I love all of the openings to the Land Before Time movies - you know, when the narrator comes in talking about the history of life or something and there's music playing the background. I just finished watching the Invasion of the Tinysauruses, which I thought wasn't that great (was anyone else annoyed by the horrid CGI dinosaurs at the end? Honestly, even I could make something better than that! Loved the sub-plot about Cera, Mr. Threehorn, and Tria, though.), that lovely little piano tune...jeez, I fell in love with it. Well, in any case, my question is...do you think there's even the slightest chance a CD will be released, featuring mp3s or such of the openings of each LBT movie, and possibly the credits tracks of each movie? I honestly hope so, or else I'm going to start recording them myself.
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I also hope so too Ratiasu (this means Latias in Japanese. Isn't it?). All that BGM used in any LBT music... I waana listen them in mp3 someday.
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I also hope so too Ratiasu (this means Latias in Japanese. Isn't it?). All that BGM used in any LBT music... I waana listen them in mp3 someday.
I believe it means hidden female, or something of that sort. In any case, yeah, a background music album would be great, too, even though for about 2.5/3 of the time the movies re-use the tracks from the original movie, there were some original tunes that I actually...quite liked.
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d, featuring mp3s or such of the openings of each LBT movie, and possibly the credits tracks of each movie? I honestly hope so, or else I'm going to start recording them myself.
I seee.... B)
Well, I shall indeed keep that in mind. I think I just got a new project! :wow
And no, I'm not going to just record the tracks (I've already done that; if anyone wants the clips, e-mail, PM or MSN me). I've got a...better idea (the newbies here may not know what I'm talking about but some of the veteran members here might). Gimme some time; you'll see. :yes The problem with just recording the sound clips is that you get all the sound effects and dialogue in the recording. I'm...working around that to get the purest music I possibly can, without Any dialogue or sound effects to interfere. :DD
that lovely little piano tune...jeez, I fell in love with it.
Do you mean the one at the opening of LBT 11? I sincerely agree; I Loved that piano part so much that I tried to learn to play it, but it gets too hard for me near the end of the segment. :P: That was easily one of the best things about LBT 11! :D
do you think there's even the slightest chance a CD will be released, featuring mp3s or such of the openings of each LBT movie
Workin' on it! B)
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d, featuring mp3s or such of the openings of each LBT movie, and possibly the credits tracks of each movie? I honestly hope so, or else I'm going to start recording them myself.
I seee.... B)
Well, I shall indeed keep that in mind. I think I just got a new project! :wow
And no, I'm not going to just record the tracks (I've already done that; if anyone wants the clips, e-mail, PM or MSN me). I've got a...better idea (the newbies here may not know what I'm talking about but some of the veteran members here might). Gimme some time; you'll see. :yes
that lovely little piano tune...jeez, I fell in love with it.
Do you mean the one at the opening of LBT 11? I sincerely agree; I Loved that piano part so much that I tried to learn to play it, but it gets too hard for me near the end of the segment. :P: That was easily one of the best things about LBT 11! :D
do you think there's even the slightest chance a CD will be released, featuring mp3s or such of the openings of each LBT movie
Workin' on it! B)
Oh that's great! Glad I gave you an idea for a new project...err...whatever that may be. As for the LBT 11 opening, yeah, that was one of the best parts of the movie.
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I believe it means hidden female, or something of that sort.
No, I was talkin' about the legendary PokÈmon. Anyway, that music stuff sounds kewl. :DD
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Tim's good with his music stuff. :yes
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I shall do my best to complete the LBT 11 opening by the end of tonight. If not, I can almost guarantee it will be up by the end of the weekend. B)
By the way, I have no intention of rewriting the End Credits music to any of the sequels. This is because none of the End Credits (except LBT 11's Stupid Stompers song) have any vocals or sound effects to intrude on the music. The results would be better if you were to simply record the End Credits music off your movie than to wait for me to try and rewrite the music by ear using virtual instruments. :P:
The reason I will be rewriting the rest of the LBT music is because they Do contain sound effects, speech, and other distractions. By rewriting the music, I will completely eliminate these distractions and (ideally) have a very listenable piece of music that will sound quite close to the original. I'm about 1/3 done the LBT 11 opening but I have all evening/night to work on it, and I have been working very slowly. :P:
I know the results won't be as good as it would be if live players were performing the music as in much of the original films. There is an $11,000 virtual orchestra available, considered the most realistic, accurate virtual orchestra in the world (http://www.vsl.co.at/en-us/211/344/216.vsl). If anyone wants to help pay for it for me, I'll be glad to use it to the LBT community's advantage. :p
(hey, you can't blame a guy for trying!)
Until then, here's what I'll be using:
http://www.soundsonline.com/EWQLSO-Gold-Bu...W-160PROB1.html (http://www.soundsonline.com/EWQLSO-Gold-Bundle-pr-EW-160PROB1.html)
It can do a pretty decent job.
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Good to hear, action. That's okay if it's not an exact replica, but I was wondering if you could replicate music like that with movies other than the Land Before Time?
And wow. That program is $895.00!? Quite a lot of money. The most money I've ever had is a hundred bucks.
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but I was wondering if you could replicate music like that with movies other than the Land Before Time?
Most definitely, provided that it's within my abilities. I do all of my work manually without the help of conversion programs. As a result, the music needs to be within my skill level. Most music, however, I feel I can reproduce fairly accurately, given enough time.
I focus on the Land Before Time music here because it is an LBT forum. I'm not really working on much else at the moment. But ya, I can handle most kinds of music from any source. For pop/techno music, I may not have the synthesizers and effects to reproduce them accurately, but I can probably get them close enough.
And wow. That program is $895.00!? Quite a lot of money.
I spent almost all of my summer employment money on music software. :lol But it was worth it; I'm having a great time!
One of the reasons it's so expensive is because of the licence it comes with. The sounds are entirely royalty-free, meaning that I can legally produce music using the software, and sell it if I desire. That commercial licence is mainly what shoots the price up so high. :P: There is a Student licence (where the user cannot legally sell their work) of the software, for about $350 or so, but I figured I might as well just go all-out and if any doors open up, I won't have any limitations. I haven't sold anything yet but I'm also still reasonably new to the software too.
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but I was wondering if you could replicate music like that with movies other than the Land Before Time?
Most definitely, provided that it's within my abilities. I do all of my work manually without the help of conversion programs. As a result, the music needs to be within my skill level. Most music, however, I feel I can reproduce fairly accurately, given enough time.
I focus on the Land Before Time music here because it is an LBT forum. I'm not really working on much else at the moment. But ya, I can handle most kinds of music from any source. For pop/techno music, I may not have the synthesizers and effects to reproduce them accurately, but I can probably get them close enough.
Ah. I see. That's understandable. I'll keep that information in mind if I ever want to request anything...err, if you're up to taking requests, that is. Most of the music I, err, might as for will be the background music for movies that never released an instrumental soundtrack. So no pop or techno music for you to worry about.
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I'll keep that information in mind if I ever want to request anything...err, if you're up to taking requests,
Ya, you bet! :yes Anything you may want, just ask away. The only requirement is that I have access to a recording of the original music somehow. Even a clip of the music in the movie, or a MIDI of the music is good enough. I just need access to it somehow. An original source, as opposed to a MIDI, is preferred though since the MIDI may not be entirely accurate itself.
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I'll keep that information in mind if I ever want to request anything...err, if you're up to taking requests,
Ya, you bet! :yes Anything you may want, just ask away. The only requirement is that I have access to a recording of the original music somehow. Even a clip of the music in the movie, or a MIDI of the music is good enough. I just need access to it somehow. An original source, as opposed to a MIDI, is preferred though since the MIDI may not be entirely accurate itself.
Okay, good to know! I'm going over to my mom's house today, and my microphone is there, so I'll be able to record a couple samples of the music...granted, they'll be directly from the movie, so there'll be dialogue and sound effects and such, so I hope that's okay.
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they'll be directly from the movie, so there'll be dialogue and sound effects and such, so I hope that's okay.
That's just fine. I can work around the sound effects and dialogue. B)
What movie(s) do you plan on recording?
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they'll be directly from the movie, so there'll be dialogue and sound effects and such, so I hope that's okay.
That's just fine. I can work around the sound effects and dialogue. B)
What movie(s) do you plan on recording?
Just parts of PokÈmon 3 (I love Entei's theme. It's so heroic.) for now, but I may find something else later on.
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To quote myself a few posts ago:
I shall do my best to complete the LBT 11 opening by the end of tonight. If not, I can almost guarantee it will be up by the end of the weekend.
Grrr School! I had to abandon this project for quite a bit of time this weekend, due to my school project group needing to get together to work on an assignment, not to mention I forgot about an exam I have tomorrow...so I really needed to study for that. I'll get to this LBT 11 opening as soon as possible! :yes
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To quote myself a few posts ago:I shall do my best to complete the LBT 11 opening by the end of tonight. If not, I can almost guarantee it will be up by the end of the weekend.
Grrr School! I had to abandon this project for quite a bit of time this weekend, due to my school project group needing to get together to work on an assignment, not to mention I forgot about an exam I have tomorrow...so I really needed to study for that. I'll get to this LBT 11 opening as soon as possible! :yes
School is always a bother, isn't it?
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It seems so to most of those who do have the privilege of visiting a school.
I admit that I would have sounded differently when I was still at school, and I do admit that you learn a lot of stuff you won't ever need. Nevertheless we shouldn't forget about the many people who would sacrifice their right arm for the chance of any education whatsoever and the chances it brings to the receiver.
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I have aborted the LBT 11 opening music because I found a way to rip the music off the original disc while removing all of the dialogue. It was actually very simple.
As a result, I have no need to manually reproduce the entire Opening music to LBT 11. I can show you how it turned out if you want. Just PM or MSN me. :yes
I will be working on other parts of the LBT series soundtrack in time, but I have too much to do with school right now. I will spend more time working on LBT stuff over Christmas break.
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I have aborted the LBT 11 opening music because I found a way to rip the music off the original disc while removing all of the dialogue. It was actually very simple.
This is interesting! Would this work on any mixture of music and dialogue, so that, once you have more time again, the method could be used to get hold of the parts of the original movie's music which weren't included in the official soundtrack?
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As a result, I have no need to manually reproduce the entire Opening music to LBT 11. I can show you how it turned out if you want. Just PM or MSN me.
Okay, I now have a very easy way to share any of my sound clips! After some hunting for software, I finally have a combination that lets me send out this music as nice, easy to play, MP3 files (or wavs if you desire) B)
This is interesting! Would this work on any mixture of music and dialogue, so that, once you have more time again, the method could be used to get hold of the parts of the original movie's music which weren't included in the official soundtrack?
Unfortunately, this is really only beneficial for me because there are some severe limitations. In the case of LBT 11's opening, I was able to remove absolutely all of the spoken words and most of the sound effects. The results in most cases would not be especially good. If all of the LBT films used surround sound, it would be easier but unfortunately they don't all. This is because of the technique I used to do this:
Some DVDs contain 6 or more sound "channels", one for each speaker. In stereo systems, two speakers (left and right) are used. In an average surround sound system, 6 speakers are used: Front left, Center, front right, rear left, rear right and a subwoofer for bass effects. The center channel is normally used for dialog while the other speakers play back music, effects, etc.
See where I'm going with this? :P:
In the case of the LBT 11 opening, nearly all the non-musical elements were played on the center speaker. I simply used VLC media player to take a rip of All 6 channels of LBT 11's opening (thanks again for pointing this player out to me, Petrie. It has been a life saver!). To do this, I just set VLC to save all incoming sound data into a 6-channel WAV file and then I hit Play on the DVD and recorded the opening section of the film. I then went into a multi-channel wave editor, whcih lets me see each of the 6 channels graphically. From here, I can actually mute or remove channels. I simply disabled the Center channel, leaving behind nothing but music. B) I then converted this new file into a 2-channel (stereo) MP3, for easy distribution and play-back, free of the voices and center-focused sound effects. The file size? About 3 MB for 2 minutes at 192 kb/s, 48kHz (DVD quality) Stereo.
I have a completed MP3 using this procedure: Beyond the Mysterious Beyond from LBT 7. Some light vocals are left behind becase the audio mixer who put the audio to the film itself left some "echoy" effects on the left and right channels to fill out the sound of the vocals during the song. I have no way of removing this. The vocals are very transparent and quite pleasant, however. This MP3 will be extremely useful when working on a MIDI of "Beyond the Mysterious Beyond" though! :D
It can be downloaded here:
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...72CD0CA2AAC9538 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=772CD0CA2AAC9538)
[EDIT] The link appears to be expired. I will send this file to anyone who is interested. [/EDIT]
Sorry the music is so quiet. I forgot to bump up the volume before I uploaded it! :lol
The LBT 11 opening came out even better than this but it's not ready to be released yet. I'll post it up tomorrow. B)
This little trick works very well for things like introductions because the voices never come from off-screen, meaning they're all played over the centre speaker. In many other situations, it will be impossible to remove all noise from the music.
Another serious problem is that this technique Only works on DVDs that contain surround sound data. The LBT films 1, 7, 9 (I think), 10, and 11 are the only ones that do. 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 8 are only stereo sources, which means my technique of muting a speaker simply won't work because the speaker doesn't exist in the source audio to begin with. This trick doesn't work at all on CDs or VHS tapes either.
This technique is mainly beneficial to me because it will let me mute or lower the volume of the singing and speaking in the songs, making it much easier to hear the music when replicating the songs and music. LBT 11 is one of the few cases where the result sounds good enough that others may benefit from it. I suspect LBT 7, 9 (if it has surround sound) and 10's openings will sound fine as well.
In short, this technique is a quick fix to make a decent-sounding piece of music but it doesn't solve all the problems. The only way to truly remove all of the unwanted sounds is to rewrite the music out of the context of the film. That is my plan, eventually! I know I keep saying that and I Do plan to get around to it someday! It is a lot of work, and I am having a hard time finding time for such a huge project.
I'll post a link to the LBT 11 Opening with no voices, shortly. I need to go to bed so I can't finalize that tonight. Oh, and the guy who mixed the music in LBT 11 didn't do a very good job! :lol He left some annoying elements in order to "correct" volume balancing and whatnot. The most obvious issues are the sudden instant changes in volume on the music tracks. It's very clear that he is trying to make room for voices but it sounds horribly unnatural on its own. :P:
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Here is the link to the LBT 11 opening, ripped off the original DVD with the center channel removed. A few sound effects are still left but they were impossible to remove using this technique.
224 kb/s 48kHz stereo MP3 format with noise reduction to remove background hissing:
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...5633DA447C620AF (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=95633DA447C620AF)
Enjoy. :wow
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That sounds amazing for all the work you did. B) Does fade in and out a bit.
Really I'm amazed at the process you had to do just for a 1:57 seconds of audio. Also, I see no reason why you would need to bother with LBT 1 since the cd soundtrack is what is on the film.
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Also, I see no reason why you would need to bother with LBT 1 since the cd soundtrack is what is on the film.
I agree completely. I have no intention of doing any work with the LBT 1 soundtrack. I was simply stating that this technique was *possible* on the LBT 1 DVD because it contains 5.1 source audio.
That sounds amazing for all the work you did. Does fade in and out a bit.
This is about as lazy as one can get for getting a soundtrack out of a movie without buying a CD. :P: The fading is probably the work of the audio mixer, making room for dialogue and whatnot.
Really I'm amazed at the process you had to do just for a 1:57 seconds of audio.
Maybe so, but it doesn't take any more work to produce 10 minutes of audio. The procedure is quite a few steps but a longer or shorter audio clip isnt' any more difficult (except longer clips take more computer power to work with since it needs to store more data in RAM, process more data, etc).
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I downloaded it, and I am...very happy. Great work, action! I don't mind the sound effects that much.
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I downloaded it, and I am...very happy. Great work, action!
I'm glad you liked it. :yes I feel a bit lazy leaving this music like this. I just have so much on my plate to work on, LOL. :p
I don't mind the sound effects that much.
I may finish my custom remake of the LBT 11 opening sometime but it's not high on my list of priorities right now. When I get that complete, you can say goodbye to the sound effects completely! :p It takes a long time to accurately reproduce music from scratch, especially with crappy headphones! Grrrr, I need to replace these someday... :angry: :P: Too loud in the midrange, no bass response at all, low power handling...they just make my life....interesting! :lol
Anyone wanna lend me $200 for a set of headphones? :D
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Really a nice job Tim! :yes
Also, I see no reason why you would need to bother with LBT 1 since the cd soundtrack is what is on the film.
When I made my suggestion I was refering to those melodies from the original movie which they left out on the original soundtrack. For example the melody played after the scene in which they discovered the rock that looks like a longneck, before the quarrel between Littlefoot and Cera.
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When I made my suggestion I was refering to those melodies from the original movie which they left out on the original soundtrack.
I'll look into this tomorrow, Malte. I think I know what music you are referring to and I shall see how nicely it rips out of the DVD. I'll post my results probably by Friday, your time. B)
The bad news about all of this is that my multi-channel WAV editor, the program I need in order to remove the centre channel, is only a 30-day trial. I'll rip all of the audio I can from the DVDs until my trial runs out.
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My apologies for being sooo slow on posting this up! :slap
Here's the scene in the original LBT that Malte was mentioning. The music in this scene is not found on the LBT soundtrack.
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...604BFEF0EAD1B51 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=9604BFEF0EAD1B51)
Is this the scene you were referring to, Malte?
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Hi Tim!
Thank you very much for taking the trouble!
The music I was refering to is played right after the scene from which you took the music. While they are climbing up the mountains beyond the rock that looks like a longneck (hoping to see the Great Valley on the other side) there is a melody with some suspension to it. The melody ends in a kind of sudden disillusionment when they reach the top of the mountain to find that there is no Great Valley on the other side.
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Oops! Well, let me try that again: :P:
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...F76586167CD29C3 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=7F76586167CD29C3)
This is the scene immediate after the clip I recently posted.
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Thanks a lot! :)
This clip included the part of the music which was not included on the soundtrack.