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Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: landbeforetimelover on May 02, 2007, 12:49:14 AM
Do you think that Ret was attracted to Ali or was his bragging just to impress her as a friend?
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Littlefoot1616 on May 02, 2007, 05:41:52 AM
Topic Moved to "LBT Series Discussion"

I reckon it as more of a brag than an actual attraction. Everyone loves braggings rights and everyone loves to show off something they're proud of or something impressive they can do (even though, in Ret's case, it wasn't exactly true).

I moved this over from the After Midnight section coz there's nothing really taboo that requires any additional care over matters discussed here. Unless it gets just down right dirty!  :DD Which I know won't happen for obvious reasons!

TTFN

Littlefoot B)
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Nick22 on May 02, 2007, 12:37:08 PM
I Think there is attraction there, imo he's a potential rival to Littlefoot for Ali's affections. The question remains whether He's show up again when Ali appears in another episode. If he doesn't that tells me he was a 1-off.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: pokeplayer984 on May 02, 2007, 10:54:12 PM
Okay, it's my fault for this idea coming up in the first place. :P: (Yes, I thought this exact thing the first time I saw "The Great Longneck Scheme" episode.)

I shall not deny that there is quite the possibility that Ret has a crush on Ali.  The hints are few, but kinda obvious.

The first is a given.  He's making up stories to impress Ali.  Now, the thing is that he was only making up the stories to her and no one else, until he met Littlefoot and Cera.  This is basically known by the fact that Ali was told these things before.  It is a basic ploy that guys tend to use to impress the ladies, and in the case of being older, turn them on.

The second hint comes from him wanting to play the game "rescue" so much with just Ali.  The thing is, he's always the hero and she's always the damsel in distress.  Even with Ali giving other options of games to play, he still insists on playing a game where he saves her.  It is the old thing where the hero and the damsel fall for eachother after the game is over.  If it's set up to be more real and pull it off, the fantasy pairing at the end has a better chance of becoming real.

The final hint comes where he has to confess to Old One about making up the stories.  The thing is, he was reluctant to tell the truth.  That is, until Ali said, "It's okay, Ret." which gave him the confidence to tell the truth.  To be given this kind of confidence, requires quite the heart.  Since it takes "heart" to tell the truth when you've done something wrong, and Ali is what triggered it in Ret's heart, there is no doubt that she is in his heart.

Saying this, there is no doubt in my mind that Ret has feelings for Ali.

Yet, I question what he would do in a real sharptooth attack.  After what I saw him do when Chomper pretended to attack, leaving Ali behind to defend for herself, I question it all. :)

Well, those are my thoughts at least. :^.^:
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Nick22 on May 03, 2007, 12:56:32 PM
littlefoot also has these feelings for Ali as well. In the song "it;s not fair" He says "he can't be her best friend" He is reffering to Rhette of course but it also means that he considers himself to be Ali's best friend.Second the jealousy, and actual anger he shows when Ali believes Rhette's stories, and doesn't believe him or Cera when they doubt them.  There is also no question that if Ali were in danger, Littlefoot would help her out, we can't say that about Rhette, he's shown to be a coward, frankly.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: lbt/cty_lover on December 10, 2007, 10:54:20 PM
There is a relationship. The period in which they knew each other would probably have been long enough for a crush to form, and then the return to the Valley sparked a rivalry.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: landbeforetimelover on December 10, 2007, 11:05:12 PM
I have to admit that it didn't just look like a friend trying to impress his other friend.  It looked more like a friend trying to impress his girl friend into actually being his "girlfriend". :p
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Kor on December 10, 2007, 11:31:54 PM
I agree that Rhett does feel some attraction for Ali.  But, at least for now, it seems one way.  Ali is attracted to Littlefoot and likely him to her.  It seems Ali sees Rhett as just a friend, though he would like it to be more.  How this will change over time, if done a bit more realistically would be hard to say, though it may stay the same relationship as the three of them have now.   In the future it'll likely remain much the same as it is now.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Manny Cav on December 10, 2007, 11:55:19 PM
I don't think that there is really any "sandbox love" or whatnot involved, but the damsel in distress thing seems quite suspicious. Still, I don't think that there is much in the way of, er, attraction.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Kor on December 11, 2007, 12:39:57 AM
I just meant the sort of attraction that the writers have been showing or hinting at between various characters in the past.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Manny Cav on December 11, 2007, 12:57:29 AM
I think a lot of those attractions are size induced, like Littlefoot/Cera, Ducky/Petrie, etc.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Kor on December 11, 2007, 02:11:50 AM
I mentioned as such much earlier on another thread.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Manny Cav on December 11, 2007, 10:28:46 AM
Yeah, you did. :P:
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Kor on December 11, 2007, 10:57:14 AM
Part of it may also stem from they are the only kids in the herd.  Which seems rather odd since roughly half the herd should be females and there should be more kids, unless dinosaurs have way more males then females normally.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: landbeforetimelover on December 11, 2007, 11:01:43 AM
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Part of it may also stem from they are the only kids in the herd. Which seems rather odd since roughly half the herd should be females and there should be more kids, unless dinosaurs have way more males then females normally.

That's one problem.  What are they gonna do when they get more....developed?  They can't exactly pair up with eachother, seeing as they're different species.  It seems only Littlefoot has any chance of a normal relationship as of yet, that is, if you call a long distance relationship to a female longneck with a high pitched voice normal :lol
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Kor on December 11, 2007, 11:41:43 AM
Quite possible, though she is the only female longneck his age he's seen.  Maybe Bron's herd has some females around his age.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Nick22 on December 12, 2007, 03:56:52 PM
If it does, we haven't seen them...or they are simply minor characters are seen for brief instant..
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Manny Cav on December 12, 2007, 04:04:50 PM
We don't get to see many dinosaurs around the gang's age at all, especially other threehorns.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Kor on December 12, 2007, 09:12:33 PM
It makes more sense there would be some others around their age, just likely the animators do not want to draw more kids of varying sizes.  They'd rather do adults and the gang plus any guest stars like Ali, Tippy, ect who have a part in the plot.  Other kids are not drawn.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: landbeforetimelover on December 12, 2007, 10:55:04 PM
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It makes more sense there would be some others around their age, just likely the animators do not want to draw more kids of varying sizes. They'd rather do adults and the gang plus any guest stars like Ali, Tippy, ect who have a part in the plot. Other kids are not drawn.

Of course, if they introduced a whole bunch of characters the gang's own age then we'd all be talking about what loners they were not even talking to other members of their species and we'd wonder what was wrong with them. :p

Besides, each character gets very few screentime as it is, especially now with chomper and Ruby.  Perhaps as the series develops they'll introduce potential mates for the gang (if nothing else cuz it's something they've never done before).
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Manny Cav on December 12, 2007, 11:29:24 PM
Quote from: landbeforetimelover,Dec 12 2007 on  08:55 PM
Besides, each character gets very few screentime as it is, especially now with chomper and Ruby-
I do not believe that this is the case.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: pokeplayer984 on December 12, 2007, 11:52:15 PM
I think THE toughest one to get a loving relationship would be Spike.

Can you guess why I think this? :)
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: landbeforetimelover on December 13, 2007, 12:01:41 AM
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Can you guess why I think this?

Because verbal communication wouldn't be possible.  They could only....do things to show their feelings towards one another and I don't think they'd show that, especially in a childs film. :p
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Manny Cav on December 13, 2007, 12:05:58 AM
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Can you guess why I think this?

Because verbal communication wouldn't be possible.  They could only....do things to show their feelings towards one another and I don't think they'd show that, especially in a childs film. :p
You know, that's not the only way he could show love. He could do it through gestures, rubbing heads, and grunting, and mabey more ways I can't think of.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: landbeforetimelover on December 13, 2007, 12:08:59 AM
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You know, that's not the only way he could show love. He could do it through gestures, rubbing heads, and grunting, and mabey more ways I can't think of.

Yeah, but kids that age are kinda dense.  Besides, they usually have little or no concept of love at that age, so the characters would have to come out and say it.  I mean, unless they did something ummm....non child appropriate, it could just be mistaken as friendship.  Of course, they could always have the rest of the gang call Spikes companion his "girlfriend".
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Kor on December 13, 2007, 12:10:24 AM
He could also have Ducky translate, but Spike can do all the non physical ways of showing love like mentioned above.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: landbeforetimelover on December 13, 2007, 12:12:30 AM
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He could also have Ducky translate, but Spike can do all the non physical ways of showing love like mentioned above.


Those kinda relationships never work out.  I mean, take for example a relationship between two humans that don't speak the same language.  They'd need an interpreter, right?  Well, that might be nice for first meetings and whatnot, but it would begin to put a crimp in your love life.  Anyway, this is getting way off topic.  This thread is about Ali and Ret.  Perhaps we should make a topic just about gang relationships/future relationships.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Kor on December 13, 2007, 12:14:02 AM
Likely she would get to understand Spike after a while.  By the end of a movie, if they did that, which they would not, she would have a basic understanding.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: pokeplayer984 on December 13, 2007, 12:14:26 AM
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Can you guess why I think this?

Because verbal communication wouldn't be possible.  They could only....do things to show their feelings towards one another and I don't think they'd show that, especially in a childs film. :p
Eh-heh!  You got me LBTlover! :D
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Nick22 on March 26, 2008, 06:13:03 PM
I honestly don't think the writers put as much thought into this as we have :P:
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Kor on March 26, 2008, 06:18:45 PM
As for showing affection and not speaking, haven't they shown Littlefoot's grandparents showing affection for each other by not speaking with nuzzling or neck rubbing?  I've not seen any movies with Tria in it so have no idea if they do that with her and Threehorn.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Cancerian Tiger on March 26, 2008, 08:37:06 PM
Mr. Threehorn and Tria nuzzle each other's snouts ;).

I personally despise that pathological liar Rhette.  Even if he did reform, I could never trust him.  I hope Ali never gets with him.  But that's just my view on him.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: LBTFan13 on April 03, 2008, 05:05:30 PM
I'm sure Rhette had a good reason for deceiving Ali as he did. He was probably in the same position that she was in. He was in a herd with only longnecks, but somehow there was nobody his age to talk to. Maybe he created his stories because in real life his adventures were just really boring. Maybe he figured if he told a boring story, then Ali would be bored with him and want to avoid him.

This is of course my opinion.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: landbeforetimelover on April 03, 2008, 05:49:10 PM
I personally hate Ret myself.  I wouldn't mind if I never saw him again in a sequel or TV episode.  I hated his voice, the way he was animated, and his attitude.  Reminded me of Hyp kinda.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Malte279 on April 03, 2008, 05:55:28 PM
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I wouldn't mind if I never saw him again in a sequel or TV episode.
Basically I agree and yet I would not be angry to hear about an episode or sequel to come in which he is involved. For it would mean at least that there would be another sequel or episode :(
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Kor on April 03, 2008, 07:41:22 PM
I would guess if there is a season 2 he'll likely appear with Ali in the same episode.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Nick22 on April 04, 2008, 01:40:00 AM
Maybe, maybe not. the episode, really focused more on him, than Ali. The Ali of the episode was very different from the ALI in lBT 4. While she really isn't as shy as she has been potrayed, she shows almost no individuality in the epidsode. BY that I mean, her character wasn't very distinguished. she trusted Rhete's stories far too much, a longneck who had been through real danger like she had been in LBT 4, should have been, at a minimum skeptical of outlandish tales of heroism and bravery.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Kor on April 04, 2008, 01:58:12 AM
True.  She seemed like a totally different character in that episode.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Malte279 on April 04, 2008, 04:11:39 AM
I'm not so sure about how much we can say about how different she was from the way she was in LBT 4; for what was the profile she did show in LBT 4?
We did see her "twist Littlefoot around her little finger" so to speak by looking at him in a way to do the trick and by cutting some funny faces. We did see her convince Littlefoot to go of with her on their own stating the others would slow them down and settling the matter by just walking of "forcing" him to follow. Yes, this point does suggest her to be more assertive than she was portrayed in the episode, but then again I think it would be a very different thing asserting oneself against against a "gentlesaurian" like Littlefoot or someone like Rhett.
We saw Ali being somewhat uncertain about the way "Sometimes I loose track where I am or where I have been" and in spite of her many travels (on which I presume she must have gained experience the others in the Great Valley did not) she did not know any more about echos than Littlefoot did at that time. We saw Ali sensible enough to overcome her prejudices and return to get the others for help. We saw her courageous in a situation of outright peril and se saw that Ali just pretended knowing about the Nightflower (Rhett is not the only one to make up things in order to be recognized by others).
Based on these facts (or not based on these) I think everyone made up an own image of Ali which would hardly match the image created by the makers of the series. But based on what we saw in LBT 4 about Ali's character (not too much altogether) I don't think the image presented by the makers of the episode is so different from the LBT 4 Ali as to make it a "plothole".
We just know too little about her and we are all to willing to glorify her to accept a different interpretation of her. I don't like the way she was presented in LBT 4 and I do agree that she ought to have been skeptical enough at least to ask one of the grownups about Rhett, but if she was desperate to stay friends with the only longneck of her age available she may have been just as eager to keep up her own glorified image of him, no matter what, as she was to keep up the friendship as such.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Kor on April 04, 2008, 05:52:06 AM
We know even less about Rhett.  Maybe he was a habitual lier, or maybe, like I mentioned above, maybe she talked about Littlefoot when they first met and he felt he had to make up stories to seem good enough to be friends with her.  

I didn't have an idealized version of her, one of the benefits of being old, it's just the Ali in the episode seemed a bit less experienced then the one in the movie in certain ways.   Believing someone of her size could make a mountain with their tail is a bit much.  
As for attraction, it is likely of the friendship type.  Someone of around your age that you travel with, unlike others who you may meet but will only be with briefly.

If there is a season 2 I wonder how she'll be treated in that one, and Rhett too for that matter, if he does appear.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: rosie on August 05, 2008, 12:14:27 AM
He sure was and could be Littlefoot's rival for her. Lucky Cera.She can have littlefoot all to herself now.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Rustam on May 30, 2017, 08:51:55 AM
It seems to me that Rhett deliberately behaved in such a way as to impress his peers, otherwise he would not have been accepted into the company. Ali has nothing to do with it. I do not think that Rhett felt sympathy for Ali, rather, he needed her for self-assertion.
And Littlefoot would not be Littlefoot, if as if nothing had happened, he did not invite Rhett to play with the rest, saying that "adventure is yet to come." I liked this episode because the kids came up with how to expose Rhett, help him to throw off the brave image of a "lone dinosaur" and face the real cowardly himself. And after that, after Rhett admitted that he was not brave, he was accepted without his mask, as he is. This is exactly what Rhett needed, and not grown-ups helped him, but is was little dinosaurs. I think it's very cool.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Ducky123 on May 31, 2017, 10:32:08 AM
Rhett is a big attention seeker. He makes the stories up to get attention because he'd be otherwise overlooked and ignored by the others (indeed it seems like Ali's herd is astonishingly devoid of children, at least the two times we saw them suggests so...)

I believe this is a two-edged sword in some way. On the one hand, Rhett (and maybe Ali too) seek the attention of the only child their age in their herd but on the other hand, there may indeed be a certain degree of romance involved.

Well, I'm not sure about others but I always thought Ali immediately had a crush on Littlefoot in LBT 4. She is not acting in-character at all in the tv-series, sadly :( It could have been a really great episode but it ended up being mediocre at best.
Title: Was Ret attracted to Ali?
Post by: Coyote_A on June 01, 2017, 06:41:38 PM
I'm gonna say no. It's pretty clear Rhett only needed her as the fuel for his ego. Plus, it would seem Ali was the only longneck his age in the entire herd and thus the only one to have fallen for his display of bravado.