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The Land Before Time => 1988 Theatrical Release => Topic started by: Barroth the Blue Mage on October 30, 2013, 04:15:02 PM
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Alright! After sitting through in silence for years, I’ve decided it is time for me to voice up. I believe many Land Before Time fans out there do know the fact that the recently available VCD or DVD copies of the famous film are all the heavily edited version? And from my own experience, I believe the film has only been edited after its official release in the year of 1988, despite what the Wikipedia says.
The first time I watched the film was from a VHS copy my father rented from some shop back in 1996, when I was four. And although my memories of that age are quite vague, I can still remember many scenes from the movie that are not seen in the later VCD copies I watched; one I borrowed from my friend when I was ten and the other one I owned when I was twelve. When I watched the VCD copies many years later, I realized the film has been edited and many scenes were cut out. All those years I wished I was wrong about my speculation of the film’s edition and I chose not to trust my four year-old memories. But when I finally had access to the internet at the age of eighteen(my parents only allowed me to have access to internet after I had finished high school so... yeah) and I searched on The Land Before Time, I came across it on Wikipedia and... I was right all along; the film had indeed been edited. On that very moment, my heart languished, realizing that the VCD copy of the film I bought when I was twelve is the heavily edited version. Afterward, I searched for the original version of the film high and low on the internet for many days but to no avail. I also heard that there is a Finnish dubbed or subbed original version of the film and I tried to search for it on the internet but again, to no avail. I would still look for the original, unedited version of the film every once in a while since then and until now, but it were all in vain. It seems to me that the original version of the film I once saw as a child is lost forever.
In case some of you have never watched the original version of the film and have no idea what it is like, here is what those edited/cut-out scenes are:
The part where Littlefoot’s mother fought with the sharp-tooth(T-rex): In the VHS copy, I saw precisely how the T-rex jumped onto her back and bit her there, leaving a wound. After Littlefoot’s mother knocked him off and ran with Littlefoot and Cera, sharp-tooth got back on his feet and chased after them. After being whipped and knocked off by Littlefoot’s mother a few times using her tail, he managed to bit the back of her neck, leaving another wound before he battered her down to the ground and went after the two kids. In the VCD copies, however, the part where the sharp-tooth bit Littlefoot’s mother’s back was edited so it is only shown in the form of shadows and the part where he bit her neck and then battered her down to the ground is completely omitted. Now, do you remember seeing how Littlefoot’s mother was suddenly seen lying on the ground with a new wound on the back of her neck that seemed to be coming out of nowhere?
Shortly after the death of Littlefoot’s mother, the brief part featuring the wise, old Euoplocephalus who calls himself “Old Rooter” wasn’t seen in the VHS copy I watched before. It is said that that part was added in the edited version to “soften the emotional blow” caused by Littlefoot’s mother’s death in young children. The original version I saw goes like this: After his mother’s death, Littlefoot wandered off in grief(in the edited version, this part is substituted with him encountering Old Rooter) and the scene slowly changed to a bunch of cute baby pterodactyls fighting over a berry where eventually they all each received one berry from their mother. After that, Littlefoot received a “tree star” leaf from his mother’s spirit and was given the direction to the Great Valley. Personally, I believe the part featuring a bunch of cute baby pterodactyls fighting over a berry in a very comedic way must have been done by Mr. Don Bluth himself with the intention of lighten the audience’s mood up after the death scene of Littlefoot’s mother. And I think that was good enough. Still, I don’t have anything against the part with Old Rooter being added in the edited version.
And the scene that had been cut out completely is the part after Spike ate up his make-shift nest made of tall grass and curled up on the ground to sleep. From what I remember, after that, Littlefoot, Cera and Petrie ran up to Ducky and Littlefoot asked in concern, saying something like “Ducky! Are you alright?” and when they noticed Spike, Ducky said something like “This is my new friend, Spike. Can we take him with us? Huh? Huh?”. Cera was abhorred by the idea of taking Spike with them and said something like “No! He will slow us down. All spike-tails do is eat and sleep.” I don’t quite remember the rest of the dialogue but I do know that Littlefoot and Cera had some argument on taking Spike with them. I think one of them even said something about maybe they will find Spike’s parents on the way of their journey or that maybe his parents will be coming back for him, but I don’t quite remember. Then, Cera gave in and she grudgingly accepted Spike to come with them. In actuality, Cera is afraid of travelling alone because she knows that sharp-tooth is still alive and that the rest of the team is adamant on taking Spike with them. Afterward, Littlefoot, Petrie and Ducky tried to push the heavy, sleeping baby stegosaurus to move and failed(Cera refused to help). Ducky then came up with the effective idea of luring Spike to following them with berries.
It is said that there is also a cut-out part where the group came upon an oasis inhabited by “crown-heads”(Pachycephalosaurus) and “gray-noses”(Saurolophus) who refused to share food and water with one another and they also refused to share them with the five young dinosaurs when they asked them for some. While I don’t remember much about this part and the dialogue, I do remember seeing a part in the VHS copy where there were some dinosaurs guarding the “green-food” and some other guarding a spring of water that refused to share them with the five young dinosaurs and gave them stern looks when they asked some from them. And because of this, the group had to go find their own food and water. They found a flowing river shortly and drank from it(this part is also omitted in the edit version) before they found some green-foods two times afterward(this still exist in the edited version). They couldn’t eat from the first one because it was immediately devoured by a herd of adult long-necks. But they managed to eat from the second one they found.
The original ending and that of the edited version are also different. The one I saw from the VHS copy has Littlefoot found the Great Valley on his own at first after he and the rest of the group parted ways. That is, after Cera insulted his mother by calling her “a stupid long-neck” and the two of them fought fiercely, and when Cera decided to go her own way with the rest of the team chose to follow her instead of Littlefoot, he was angered and he continued his way alone, disregarding his unfaithful friends. After some time, he came upon a rocky cliff where his mother’s ghost appeared before him in the form of a long-neck shaped dark cloud and was guided by her to the Great Valley. There, upon seeing the Great Valley, instead of just settling down in there he went running back to search for his friends who were still in the region of lava streams and tar pits. After he helped his friends out of tough situations and after the young dinosaurs killed the sharp-tooth together by drowning him in a huge lake with a heavy boulder, Littlefoot guided his reunited friends to the Great Valley he found earlier. Upon seeing the Great Valley, Cera cheered, saying: “Littlefoot, you found it!” and Ducky yepped five times in agreement(this part still exist in the edited version).
Another interesting part that should be noted is when the five young dinosaurs were in the process of “getting rid” of the sharp-tooth. There are roughly three scenes in that part that have also been omitted in the edited version for I-don’t-know-why reasons. The first one being when Ducky was taunting Sharp-tooth by making (really funny) faces at him in the water in a failed attempt to buy her friends more time, which eventually angered the sharp-tooth into attacking her. The second one being when the sharp-tooth is sinking into the deep lake water with the heavy boulder, he is seen looking up to the water while dragging Petrie down with him in the teeth. The third one is when Petrie returned from his “death”, Ducky wasn’t the only one who was overjoyed by it. Littlefoot, Cera and Spike were also rejoiced when they saw Ducky carrying Petrie to them. Littlefoot then even happily carried Petrie on his head. And it is after this that Littlefoot guided his reunited friends to the Great Valley, which isn’t far from where they killed sharp-tooth.
The heavily edited version of the film, which is very likely the only existing version now, is such a crying shame. It was such a wonderful piece of work but for some ridiculously stupid reasons, it was mutilated to make it more “children friendly”. This is what I read in Wikipedia on The Land Before Time where Steven Spielberg, one of the douchebags who are responsible for editing the film, said: “It’s too scary. We’ll have kids crying in the lobby, and a lot of angry parents. You don’t want that.” Seriously?! What the hell?! What is so scary about all those cut-out parts of the film? To be honest, there is nothing more tragic then the death of Littlefoot’s mother in the movie and yet, my sisters and I haven’t experienced any “psychological damage” after we watched that part as toddlers almost twenty years ago. I think those editors edited the film did it just for self-interests. And they would give whatever B.S. reason they could think of to justify their actions. Steven Spielberg’s partner in crime in movie editing is George Lucas. These two directors are quite (in)famous for editing other people’s works. If I ever meet those two scoundrels in person, I think I might want to blacken their eyes for what they had done to the movie, if that action bears no consequences.
All in all, The Land Before Time is truly a brilliant, breathtaking and heart-warming movie like no other. All the baby or young dinosaur characters are certainly cute but not cutesy(i.e. way too cute that it is revolting) and all of them, with the exception of Petrie and Spike, are voiced by actual children, very talented children. The movie talks about life-circle(life and death), which is something most avoided by many other children friendly movies or kids shows, because many “clever” adults actually think that all young children are too weak and can never cope with the trials of life and death. The movie also tackles on the issue of diversity/racism. But it is exploited well by not involving offensive stereotyping, which is something many other kids shows have failed utterly to do so far. The most epic part of the movie is when the five young dinosaurs are tired of sharp-tooth stalking them all the time and decided that it is time to “get rid of him once and for all” by working out a plan to kill the big carnivore themselves. Now, how many other kids movies/shows, especially those featuring adult characters, have such bravery or brilliancy? Other than having the villains die because of some divine retribution or because of something they did themselves which eventually bring their own dooms(i.e. Karma)? All I can say is; Mr Don Bluth is a brilliant man who understands the hearts of young children and knows the essential, important lessons of life little children need to learn, unlike many “clever” adults who like to “keep the lessons from young children until they are old enough to learn”.
Last but not least, I sincerely wish the original, uncut version of the film I once saw as a child still exist somewhere, or that Mr. Don Bluth had kept a copy of the uncut version with himself so it can be released again one of these days. I really wish with all my heart that I will be able watch the original, uncut version of that movie at least once again in my lifetime, so I can die with no regret.
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Welcome to the Gang of Five! :wave It's always great to see that there are still people out there who love The Land Before Time :yes You may start your own welcome topic in the Welcome Center so we can greet and welcome you into our community and get to know you :yes
Now on topic: Do you actually know what a lucky person you are? Not many of us (if any?) have seen the original version. :smile
You summarized the movie pretty well and I believe you mentioned all cutted scenes we know of. Moreover, you described these cutted scenes very detailed so we (partly) know the actual content of some more now. Besides, I think the fact that they added the Rooter scene is new to everyone around here :wow I totally believe you really had had the original Original movie :yes
Just one thing: Can you remember any (probably short) scenes that aren't in the cutted version? I know of one scene shown in a trailer that referred to the movie when it wasn't cutted... I guess it was Ducky hugging some member of the Gang, and it had Ducky making faces at The Sharptooth in it :)
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@ Ducky123
Thank you and nice meeting you. I introduced myself in the Welcome Center as you requested. I haven't watched the movie's trailer and I don't know what it is like, though. And about Ducky hugging some member of the gang, please pardon me but, can you please specify your question further? Perchance that I may be able to answer you question?
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Now I feel somewhat reassured that I have actually seen the uncut version, and didn't make things up. There are several people on this board who say that they have seen missing bits and pieces, but only three people say they have actually seen the full version: Pikkutassu, me and now you.
Just a little reminder before I proceed (it can't hurt). If you want to get up to speed on the current state of the discussion on the missing scenes, I recommend you read the entire "Uncut land before time scenes" topic and this topic (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=9690)if you haven't done so so far. It will spare me and others a lot of long explanations.
You have revealed four completely new things, however.
The first thing is that Littlefoot's mother was bit on the neck. We have known for quite some time that scenes of the sharptooth-mother fight have been edited, but we've known next to nothing about the actual content of the missing scenes of that part of the movie. And now you have shone more light on the matter.
The second thing is the later addition of Rooter. I must say I find this a bit surprising.
The third thing is the rejoicing of the rest of the Gang after Petrie climbs up the cliff. We actually have some footage of the first and second missing scenes of the final fight against sharptooth, but a third missing scene is something new.
The fourth thing is additional 10-minute post-credit footage. You said it is said there is such a thing. Who said that? I don't think anybody has ever mentioned it so far.
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From what I remember of watching the movie when I was younger, two distinct memories surface. One, the fight with the sharptooth moved into the muddy area seen just before the earthquake in the current version. Two, I distinctly remember Littlefoot saying why Cera was going the wrong way in the thorny vines, that the vines weren't as thick going that way. The latter may have been my own deduction, though. I'm not sure.
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@ jansenov
Thanks for the link. And about the 10 minutes post-credit footage thing, please forgive me but I was mistaken about it. I don't know how in the world did I managed to get the idea of a post-credit scene in LBT. The Wikipedia and some LBT related articles only talked about some 10 or 11 minutes of footage being removed from the movie. I must had read it wrong. Still, I am glad I didn't miss anything important from the original movie.
@ Justin1993
Yes. Littlefoot's mother and sharp-tooth fought in the muddy area for a while before she managed to knock him out for a moment(this happens before sharp-tooth bit her neck). Littlefoot and Cera were constantly stuck in the middle of the fight between mama long-neck and sharp-tooth. This part has completely been cut-short in the edited version. Wow. You managed to bring back some of my long forgotten memories. About Littlefoot and Cera hiding in the cluster of thorny vines/branches, I am not very sure if that part has been edited but you could be right about it, and I was only four when I watched the original version of the movie so I don't remember much of the dialogue. Do you, by any chance, remember any other cut-out scene that I have not mentioned here?
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(I hope it is okay to share links?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROVZZOv8ebc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROVZZOv8ebc)
I was referring to the scene from 0:56 - 0:59, Ducky hugs Littlefoot and Spike after they got the food
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@ Ducky123
Thank you for the link and I just watched it. Yeah, I believe I have seen that part in the VHS copy as well. I hate to say this but since I was only four year-old when I watched the original version of the movie, I couldn’t remember every bit, let me emphasize it; every bit of the film. Sometimes, I just need certain reminders to trigger and resurface my childhood memories that have been buried under ocean-deep piles of later years’ memories. Thank you again for the link. Just one question, though. Is that trailer official?
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I think it is an official trailer though I'm not entirely sure. Well, it contains comments and it is narrated. Sounds serious to me. If you really want to know this you may ask the person that posted the trailer (a Gang of Five member, pokeplayer :yes).
Anyway, you're welcome :)
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There is nothing mysterious about the disappearance. Geroge Lucas and Steven Spielberg put the film to the chopping block and crammed the cut footage firmly into a safe somewhere.
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@ WeirdRaptor
It will be really great if all the cut footage is still kept in the safe somewhere in the studio's vault like you say. But Mr. Don Bluth said they are very likely to have been destroyed. Blast Steven Spielberg and George Lucas. Why do they have to ruin such a good movie?
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I am inclined to agree with WeirdRaptor; there was footage that was definitely cut. One book that I have (Don Bluth's The Art of Storyboard) says that "nineteen fully animated and many colored T-rex scenes were cut from the movie." However, it doesn't say anything about any cut scenes getting into the home release.
When I watched the original video release I didn't find anything that was different from the anniversary DVD, but that was the North American release.
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I think the low amount of people that have seen the unedited version attests to the fact it was not meant to be seen I guess :(
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@ Blue Mage: Um, they didn't ruin the movie. The movie is the movie that we all fell in love with and continues to hold up to this day.
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As a person who had watched the original version of the movie, to me, it is ruined. Because when I watched the edited version, many scenes just don't flow correctly and many parts are missing.
And if the original version really isn't meant to be released, then why some people across the world, which include I, had seen it? Did someone in the studio furtively sneaked some original copies of the film into the mass production when the film was released just so some people across the world could watch them? Why would they do it? Did they do it just to screw with Land Before Time lovers?
So the original movie is actually novelized? Sounds cool to me. I would love to buy the book but I haven't seen any LBT related books in my country. I live in South-East Asia, by the way.
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I too don't think that the cut ruined the movie since it is still by far the best LBT movie but I do see where you're coming from.. I can imagine feeling exactly like you if I had seen the unedited version.
As for the books, there are a few illustrated stories for kids that are more or less related to the movie. Some contain cut scenes whereas others keep to the edited storyline. I don't own a book, thats just what I've heard about them.
South-East Asia? Sounds cool :lol The GoF becomes increasingly international :)
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Actually, I understand why all LBT lovers love the movie. Even though it is heavily edited. It is because it is a brilliant movie and Mr Don Bluth is a brilliant man.
Well, I guess good things can happen when a community becomes increasingly international, eh? ;)
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Another new member here, hey guys! :)
Just want to add my own perspective on this. I am yet another person who is convinced they saw an unedited version of this when they were a child.
I was bought the original VHS tape on release back in 88/89 when I was 4 or 5. Absolutely loved it. Watched it until the tape literally became unwatchable.
A few years back, my girlfriend bought me the DVD release as a Birthday present. Excited, we both sat down to give it a watch. It seemed a lot shorter and bits I remembered weren't in it - that's when I then looked it up and was horrified to hear about all the edits.
Now as we all know, the edits were made to the theatrical release - however this left me somewhat dumbfounded as that would mean it's impossible for my VHS tape to have been unedited.
Then something interesting occurred to me after finding a drawing that someone made for me when I was a kid. I asked my mam about the drawing and she said it was done by her cousin who worked for Sullivan Bluth Studios were based in Dublin at the time. He was an animator (and ultimately had to move to Canada with the studio to find more work)
From what I've read, while the studios were in Dublin, much of the LBT work was done here. Actually I didn't really realize this until that viewing with my girlfriend of the DVD, the credits rolled and I had a huge 'WTF?!' moment - loads of Irish names! :D
Anyway, getting a bit sidetracked. What I'm trying to figure out is this;
As the studio was in Ireland and my mother's cousin was an animator - did I happen to see an early copy of the film?
Or;
As the studio was in Ireland, were there rental copies floating around which were more complete?
I'll have to ask my parents if my VHS copy is still in the house. As I said, fairly sure it was unwatchable (and the standard retail version) but I can't then figure out where these other memories of missing scenes are coming from. Unless it's all just my imagination!
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:wow
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As a person who had watched the original version of the movie, to me, it is ruined.
No, it's only ruined for you because you allow it to be ruined for you. Plus, I don't believe a single of you have ever seen this so-called "original version" of the movie, because it was cut prior to release. If a longer edition of the film had been released anywhere, there would be official sources about it. As far as I'm concerned, you're believing what you want to believe and you're letting small beans ruin the film for you. In fact, this is really coming across as snobbery against the film as it is. It may not be the full version that you wanted, but the version that is is a brilliant film that capivated the hearts of many. You'll be interested to know that Don Bluth later admitted that cutting the film down was the right decision.
Here's the truth: none of us have seen the missing version of the film. Stop telling yourself that you have.
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@ WeirdRaptor
Hey, is it just my imagination or you seemed rather snarky in your comment? I wasn't making things up and I am not imagining things as you say. I saw what I saw and I trust my own eyes.
Mr Don Bluth actually said the edition of the movie is a right decision? When did he say it? And where's the proof? I don't think I had seen him quoting anything like that anywhere?
Hi, o1s1n. It's nice to see another new member here. You can introduce yourself in the Welcome Centre so we can all greet and welcome you. So, you have seen the original copy as well? Is it the original English dubbed?
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For my part, I never said that I had seen the original film before the scenes had been cut. I had simply stated two-one, I admit, that has no basis and is possibly inspired by my thoughts at the time-things I remember from watching the VHS at my former stepmother's parent's house. I am skeptical of my own memories. It was a long time ago.
Edit: I read over your post a couple of times and came to the conclusion that I was a little sensitive in my response, so I edited some stuff out. It wasn't bad, just a bit too defensive.
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@ Blue Mage: I was dead serious. I think you're being very unfair to the released version of the film by basically calling it crap. Where's the proof? It's been brought up before on several other topics. You'll probably have to dig through a few pages, but the quote does exist.
You're one to talk about supplying proof. You have no evidence of ever having seen the extended edition of the film. So unless you can produce it, you are imagining things as far as I'm concerned. Every other claim to have seen the Director's Cut over the years has come up completely and utterly empty and without a shred of evidence. Yours' will be no different.
You know what, I hope we never do find this fabled "perfect, superior, unruined" version of the film. I hope it actually was burned. Rumors about this have grown pervasive and annoying over the years and always, always end in the same "lol not found" conclusion. I think it's time we just shut the door of this stupidity. We all know we're never going to see it. And I especially hope it stays lost with this "Spielberg and Lucas RUINED this film" attitude floating around.
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It is true that in spite of a number of people saying they did see an uncut version it has nevertheless been impossible in all the years for anyone to provide the uncut version or to describe in detail scenes which have not already been described in sources like the illustrated movie book or for which evidence like the released pictures from deleted scenes exist.
Now please do not get me wrong. I am not accusing anyone of lying or exaggerating, but especially with regard to claims to have seen the original movie at the time when it was in the cinemas 25 years ago I think it is not implausible to assume that memory may cheat some who in good faith say that they saw the movie in its original cut. Indeed the movie was cut before its release (obviously) and while some images and describtions leaked out and ended up in books or cinema showcases it would be a whole different thing if the entire uncut movie was released somewhere (it would be some 10 minutes longer or so).
One source in which Don Bluth himself (reluctantly) stated that the cut was right would be the January 2001 issue of his Toon Talk magazine in which he stated about his reaction to the cuts:
Directing a movies is like birthing children. To see it rushed into surgery, even for commercial reasons, somehow fractures one's enthusiasm. On that day, nineteen fully colored Rex scenes were cut from the movie. I moured for a week.
Were Steven and George rigt to do it? In hindsight, I think yes. Land grossed $72 million worldwide, and became one of the supporting pillars for the animation renaissance.
The cut scenes have become a bit of the holy grail for LBT fans and with such enthusiasm involved it is quite likely that memory can play tricks on us. But however sad the cutting of the scenes and however unlikely our getting access to them is, I agree that the land before time has not been ruined by it. If it had become such a bad movie because of the cuts we would have to ask ourselves what on earth we are all doing here. Most of us probably liked LBT before even knowing about the cut scenes, is learning about them enough to curb our enthusiasm for LBT?
Welcome with us o1s1n :)
I take it you are from Ireland then? You're hearty invited to post in the welcome section of the board to introduce yourself and be welcomed :yes
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I, for one, have always accepted the possibility that my mind is playing tricks on me. If people can see UFOs, then people could might as well see missing LBT scenes. However, when you have vivid images in your mind it takes a lot of self-discipline to dismiss them completely.
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The whole time I've owned LBT (without critically looking for possible cut scenes), there were only two parts in the movie I thought were weird. When the t-rex first discovers Cera and Littlefoot, it shows them seeing him in another scene, and then running away in the previous scene or something lol
And then when the do the final t-rex battle, sometimes it looks like it jumps to an inconsistent background.
That's about it. And I barely notice 'em xd
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Excuse me, WeirdRaptor? When did I say the edited version of the movie is a crap? In fact, I even said most people who watched the film love it because it is still brilliant and because Mr Don Bluth is a brilliant man. Sure, I admit I don’t have proofs to prove to you people that I had watched the original version of the movie and I can’t do anything about it. You can call this topic a stupidity or say us imagining things or call us being delusional and you are free to do so. I respect that. Also, I didn’t start this topic just so I can end it with some “lol not found” joke as you say. I’ll be honest. The reason I started this topic is because I wanted to know just how many people in the Land Before Time fan-base had seen the original version of the movie like I did and how many people want to see it being released someday and see if our number will be enough to make a difference. Another reason being to be able to watch it at least once again in my life is my life-time’s biggest wish.
You probably don’t care about this but I still want to tell you that I fear I don’t have much time left with me. Many of my maternal relatives had died from cancer; it is heredity and I am very likely to have inherited the gene as well. Every few years one of my maternal relatives will die from cancer. The youngest of them that had died was as young as thirty year-old, and she died from stomach cancer. My grandfather passed away from liver cancer eight years ago and one of my aunts, who were very close to my family and I, had passed away from brain cancer in January of this year at the age of forty-seven. Every time when I attended a funeral, I was wondering if I will die from cancer as young as thirty years old as well. I am twenty-one now and my lungs’ health have started to deteriorate and, if I will die from some cancer around thirty, then I don’t have even a decade left to live.
I know my life-time’s wish is rather selfish but if I can see the original version of the movie at least once again in my life, then I will be really happy and I can die with no regret. And if you have not the intention to see the original version of the film being released, it’s your choice and again, I respect that. However, just because you don’t want to, it doesn’t mean everyone else shouldn’t see it as well.
Thank you for providing the quote, Malte279. I must say I found it quite disappointing. Still, he has his own reasons. Though I still hope he will release the original version of the film for his fans one of these days, if that is ever possible. And also, like jansenov, I once believed my memories were playing tricks with me and I really wanted to believe it. But I can’t. Not anymore. Because those images are still vivid in my mind and I don’t believe I am just imagining them. I started to remember images very well when I was four. And although I admit I don’t remember much of the dialogue of the movie, but I remember most of the scenes very well.
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Barroth, you've just made the discussion a lot more difficult for all sides involved. I think I can vouch for everyone here that we wish you only well, but don't be surprised if people don't know how to go from here and ignore the discussion altogether.
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I'm sorry, jansenov. To make the discussion more difficult wasn't my intention. If I had made you think so, then, my apologies. I was being too emotional. You guys can just ignore what I said about my life-time's biggest wish. Still, thank you for your comforting words, jansenov.
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Not everyone gets cancer, and most who do fight it for a long time.
On another note, I don't think 'the original LBT' is a correct term, since, if it was incorrectly released on Finnish television or whatever, but absolutely nowhere else, and was never meant to be seen again once the movie was compiled together, I just think it would be called something else. I'm not sure what though
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Ludichris1,
Actually, you are right about "the original LBT" is not a correct term. Initially, it was meant to be "the original version of Land Before Time". However, because the title's space isn't enough, I had to make it short and so the title is what it is now instead.
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Excuse me, WeirdRaptor? When did I say the edited version of the movie is a crap?
to me, it [the movie] is ruined.
That is the same as calling it crap in my book. If you don't have any respect for the theatrical cut of the film, then why did you even bother coming here?
In fact, I even said most people who watched the film love it because it is still brilliant and because Mr Don Bluth is a brilliant man. Sure, I admit I don’t have proofs to prove to you people that I had watched the original version of the movie and I can’t do anything about it. You can call this topic a stupidity or say us imagining things or call us being delusional and you are free to do so. I respect that. Also, I didn’t start this topic just so I can end it with some “lol not found” joke as you say. I’ll be honest. The reason I started this topic is because I wanted to know just how many people in the Land Before Time fan-base had seen the original version of the movie like I did and how many people want to see it being released someday and see if our number will be enough to make a difference. Another reason being to be able to watch it at least once again in my life is my life-time’s biggest wish.
Well, you're never going to get that wish fulfilled, so you might as well appreciate what you have. The film is brilliant as is. I hate this attitude amongst film-goers that theatrical cuts are inherently bad when in fact they're usually an improvement.
Oh, and just for the record: the film ISN'T ruined, no matter how much you try to push the idea that it is.
You probably don’t care about this but I still want to tell you that I fear I don’t have much time left with me. Many of my maternal relatives had died from cancer; it is heredity and I am very likely to have inherited the gene as well. Every few years one of my maternal relatives will die from cancer. The youngest of them that had died was as young as thirty year-old, and she died from stomach cancer. My grandfather passed away from liver cancer eight years ago and one of my aunts, who were very close to my family and I, had passed away from brain cancer in January of this year at the age of forty-seven. Every time when I attended a funeral, I was wondering if I will die from cancer as young as thirty years old as well. I am twenty-one now and my lungs’ health have started to deteriorate and, if I will die from some cancer around thirty, then I don’t have even a decade left to live.
I'm very sorry for your loss, however, coming in here and calling the film that people have appreciated for decades "ruined" was just uncalled for. If the film is SO ruined, then how come this board and all these people have congregated here out of love for this horrid, ruined mess of a film, eh? You want to watch The Land Before Time? Buy it off of Amazon and settle in like the rest of us.
I know my life-time’s wish is rather selfish but if I can see the original version of the movie at least once again in my life, then I will be really happy and I can die with no regret. And if you have not the intention to see the original version of the film being released, it’s your choice and again, I respect that. However, just because you don’t want to, it doesn’t mean everyone else shouldn’t see it as well.
The film we have now IS the original film, like it or not.
Thank you for providing the quote, Malte279. I must say I found it quite disappointing. Still, he has his own reasons. Though I still hope he will release the original version of the film for his fans one of these days, if that is ever possible. And also, like jansenov, I once believed my memories were playing tricks with me and I really wanted to believe it. But I can’t. Not anymore. Because those images are still vivid in my mind and I don’t believe I am just imagining them. I started to remember images very well when I was four. And although I admit I don’t remember much of the dialogue of the movie, but I remember most of the scenes very well.
This only thing this proves is that you had a vivid imagination as a child. Nothing more. You never saw the original version of the film, no one outside of Bluth and his associates. Learn to accept it.
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Ludichris1,
Actually, you are right about "the original LBT" is not a correct term. Initially, it was meant to be "the original version of Land Before Time". However, because the title's space isn't enough, I had to make it short and so the title is what it is now instead.
I remember hearing about a deleted scene where Sharptooth trips and slides towards LF, landing him on his snout. Confirmation?
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@ WeirdRaptor,
In your book, huh? You just can’t seem to accept it when I said I didn’t call the edited movie a crap. Say you other people are believing what they want to believe when that is what you are doing yourself. Sure. I did say Steven Spielberg and George Lucas ruined the film for me and I was just voicing up my opinion. Is that wrong? And I didn't go out there and shove my believe down people's throat as you said. You also deliberately ignored the part where I said the edited movie is still brilliant. In fact, I still love the edited movie because it still contains the very plot that I (and everyone) love, in case you didn’t know. You can read the second last paragraph of the first post in this thread and see how I summarised the entire movie. Then, you will see what I mean.
And, like I said before, you can go on and believe that I am imagining things as you like. You don’t have to keep mentioning that over and over again.
@ Phantom,
Um, what does "LF" mean?
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@ WeirdRaptor,
In your book, huh? You just can’t seem to accept it when I said I didn’t call the edited movie a crap. Say you other people are believing what they want to believe when that is what you are doing yourself. You also deliberately ignored the part where I said the edited movie is still brilliant. In fact, I still love the edited movie because it still contains the very plot that I (and everyone) love, in case you didn’t know. You can read the second last paragraph of the first post in this thread and see how I summarised the entire movie. Then, you will see what I mean.
And, like I said before, you can go on and believe that I am imagining things as you like. You don’t have to keep mentioning that over and over again.
@ Phantom,
Um, what does "LF" mean?
Little foot.
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@ Phantom,
Actually, there were many times Littlefoot and Cera were almost crushed by sharp-tooth and mama long-neck during the fight by their stomping feet or when they toppled over because the two kids were frequently stuck between the two fighting adults.
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@ Phantom,
Actually, there were many times Littlefoot and Cera were almost crushed by sharp-tooth and mama long-neck during the fight by their stomping feet or when they toppled over because the two kids were frequently stuck between the two fighting adults.
Did LF kick Sharptooth in the face at one point?
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This has already been brought up by Malte, but the quote he mentioned from that magazine article is also in the storyboard book that I have.
You know, Barroth, there is a topic here where people were discussing remaking the deleted scenes into some kind of fan project, if you would be interested. :)
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So the movie's ruined for you, but you love the theatrical version. Does not compute. In general, when something's ruined for you, it means exactly that. Alright, I'm sorry if I jumped the gun and thought you were hating on the theatrical version.
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Sorry for replying late, people. I’ve been quite busy with my part-time job lately.
@ WeirdRaptor
Different people have different ways of expressing thoughts, you know? Just to let you know, I am a very straight-forward person. If I wanted to call something a “crap”, I would have used that word already. But I didn’t. And I’ve always loved Land Before Time, even the heavily edited version.
@ FreckledOne
I think I’ve seen a few topics like that in this forum, though I don’t really have the time to go through them all. Can you provide the link of that topic, please? I will appreciate that.
@ Phantom
You mean when sharp-tooth fell down on his face during the fight and Littlefoot took the opportunity to kick him in the face? I think yes. And that only angered sharp-tooth even more. Though I’m not sure if Littlefoot did it out of anger for hurting his mother or out of plain mischief.
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Sorry for replying late, people. I’ve been quite busy with my part-time job lately.
@ WeirdRaptor
Different people have different ways of expressing thoughts, you know? Just to let you know, I am a very straight-forward person. If I wanted to call something a “crap”, I would have used that word already. But I didn’t. And I’ve always loved Land Before Time, even the heavily edited version.
@ FreckledOne
I think I’ve seen a few topics like that in this forum, though I don’t really have the time to go through them all. Can you provide the link of that topic, please? I will appreciate that.
@ Phantom
You mean when sharp-tooth fell down on his face during the fight and Littlefoot took the opportunity to kick him in the face? I think yes. And that only angered sharp-tooth even more. Though I’m not sure if Littlefoot did it out of anger for hurting his mother or out of plain mischief.
Here's the thing; I made that up. It's easy to believe that you've seen the uncut version. I believed it for a while, and I was wrong. But maybe you did. Maybe.
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...ignored the part where I said the edited movie is still brilliant.
The Land Before Time is truly a brilliant
The heavily edited version of the film, which is very likely the only existing version now, is such a crying shame
I coulda swoooorn your first post said something about the edited version being 7/10 and the uncut version being 10/10 lol
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I know. And I was just playing along with you. When I saw how you would try to save my every quote in your posts with your first question so I can't change them afterward, I knew you were trying to play some game with me. So I tried to end your game as soon as possible. I hope this satisfies you.
Edit: Ludichris1, that is my personal opinion, of course. I believe it isn't wrong for me to voice up my thoughts?
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I know. And I was just playing along with you. When I saw how you would try to save my every quote in your posts with your first question so I can't change them afterward, I knew you were trying to play some game with me. So I tried to end your game as soon as possible. I hope this satisfies you.
Edit: Ludichris1, that is my personal opinion, of course. I believe it isn't wrong for me to voice up my thoughts?
I wasn't actually trying to save your quotes, but fair enough.
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Now settle down everyone... please.
I personally believe Barroth. Period. And even, if he made that up, - I highly doubt that because his summary was simply too plausible - just agree on it and move on. It's up to Barroth what he believes in after all... and I believe in what he said.
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^ What David said concerning settling down.
As pointed out before I am sure that everyone here is talking in absolute faith in the truth of the own words. Neither party can give absolute proof that they have either seen the uncut movie or disprove that the other party did. With such an absence of evidence everybody should think what he or she wants but give the other party the benefit of doubt.
Those who think they have seen the movie accepting that short of any definite evidence not everybody will take their word as absolute fact while those who don't think anybody saw the uncut version accept the theoretical possibility that they did and the certainty that those who think they saw the uncut version are no less convinced of what they saw as you are of what they didn't see.
In any case with a matter so impossible to prove or disprove (unless somebody actually obtained and shared an uncut version of the movie) any quarreling is absolutely futile; nothing is to be achieved by it.
Also I must stress that I haven't ever seen anyone of those who think they saw the uncut movie try to gain any advantage from it or trying to show of or act in any kind of manner about it which I would regard as provocative.
With that being said I hope we can return to a more peaceful tone in a discussion on which we needn't share the view of either party but in which it should not take too much of a toll to accept it.
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As much as I hate to quote an internet meme: pics, or it didn't happen. I firmly believe that the "proper" version of the film has never been seen by anyone outside of Universal studio employees and is has likely been lost forever. There are a number of things that I dreamed or imagined from my childhood that I could have sworn were real, but ultimately turned out to just be the product of a vivid imagination.
So, no, Malte, I do not believe that anyone who has claimed to have seen the original version actually has, nor will I just be taking their word for it.
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So, no, Malte, I do not believe that anyone who has claimed to have seen the original version actually has, nor will I just be taking their word for it.
Nor were you asked to take their word for it as fact.
All I ask to take their word for is that they ARE convinced that they did see the movies while I ask those who are convinced they saw the movies to accept the scepticism about the factual basis for memories of some 25 years ago.
I don't see anybody as lying about what he or she believes or trying to gain any advantages.
There is no point in quarreling about that.
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I don't believe they're lying. I just believe they've let over-active imaginations get the better of them.
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Ah well :confused
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I guess we shouldn't argue, but whatever.
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Here is the link to that thread: http://z7.invisionfree.com/thegangoffive/i...showtopic=11700 (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=11368)
It's title is "Remaking the deleted scenes as sketch?".
:bolt
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Oh, no. We weren't arguing, Ducky123. I was just playing some mind game with Phantom. Though I admit I did it out of cynicism.
Malte279, you are right. I shouldn't have caused an unnecessary commotion and I'm sorry. I was angry not really because some people are being sceptical about my claim that I had seen the uncut movie. But because someone accused me of calling the theatrical version of the film a "crap" when I have not said so. But again, my apologies. I will try not to argue with people who disagree with me from now on.
And, thanks a bunch, FreckledOne.
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That was me misunderstanding you. Sorry about that again.
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That was me misunderstanding you. Sorry about that again.
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I, for one, have always accepted the possibility that my mind is playing tricks on me. If people can see UFOs, then people could might as well see missing LBT scenes. However, when you have vivid images in your mind it takes a lot of self-discipline to dismiss them completely.
I've thought about that too but it's pretty hard to accept this possibility, since I did find actual cels showing scenes that I remembered beforehand.
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Wow! Nice to meet you! You are so lucky to have seen the original uncut!! :smile
I'm glad someone has! :smile