The Gang of Five
The Land Before Time => General Land Before Time => Topic started by: landbeforetimelover on May 28, 2007, 03:58:38 PM
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Out of all the episodes, lbt 9 was the worst in my opinion. It was a great story though. The new computer graphics used were beyond terrible and they didn't match anything around them. Cera pushing the log was the worst though. It looked so dumb, I burst out laughing. There are also many inconsistancies in this sequal. I counted 68 inconsistancies and errors. I won't mention them here cuz I don't want to ruin the story for you. Also, in about 15% of the film, the characters looked out of proportion. It's almost like they had a deadline and had no way to draw the rest of the movie so they replaced parts with computer effects such as the water and logs and other things. I do not enjoy watching this sequal because of the inconsistancies and the horrible graphics. This sequal would be my favorite if they would redo it without theses computer effects and edited it a little. What do you think of lbt 9?
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Um, first off, don't call the movies "episodes," or else people will get confused with the TV show. Secondly, what movie was #9? Was that the Tinysaurus one?
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Secondly, what movie was #9? Was that the Tinysaurus one?
LBT 9 was "Journey to Big Water", the film that introduced Mo.
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At least Mo had a cool voice. B) I think they were just starting to really work with computer effects in this film, so it should be no surprise how out of whack they look when placed beside the 2-D cell stuff (the water most noticably).
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It may not be so farfetched that the creators rushed LBT 9. According to the back of the cases I still own of the movies, LBT 8 was brought out in 2001, while LBT 9 was brought out in 2002. Only one year.
However, for a rushed piece of work, it's quite good. They did use several different shortcuts to bring LBT 9 out. Like using similar backgrounds from earlier movies or at least only slightly changed ones, using the same old score since the original, using a simple storyline that easily flowed, etc.
Despite all this though, it has become one of the most favorited Sequals of the Gang of Five Community. (Mine especially. ;))
I must say, for a rushed piece of work, the creators knew what they were doing. :)
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It may not be so farfetched that the creators rushed LBT 9. According to the back of the cases I still own of the movies, LBT 8 was brought out in 2001, while LBT 9 was brought out in 2002. Only one year.
Actually, this is not the only case of an LBT movie being released only a year later. Land Before Time 2 was released in 1994, and Land Before Time 3 came out in 1995, and Land Before Time 4 came out in 1996, and Land Before Time 5 came out in 1997, and so forth. Most of the LBT sequels were released only one year apart.
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Oh gee, hardly a statement I could agree with.
Out of all the episodes, lbt 9 was the worst in my opinion.
In my opinion LBT 9 was one of the best sequels produced by Charles Grossvenor (rivaled only by LBT 5) and the definitely the best one we have seen in recent times.
It was a great story though.
In my opinion it was not the story which made LBT 9 great though. The story is basically as simple as a story can get. Somebody far from home fiends friends who bring him back in spite of the hardships and dangers of the journey. To make it a bit more of a plot there is a bit of conflict within the group (mainly Cera vs. Mo) and some subplot elements like being bored for being alone. There is nothing nearly as complex in the plot of LBT 9 as in almost every single other Grossvenor LBT movie.
The new computer graphics used were beyond terrible and they didn't match anything around them.
Yet another point I have to disagree with. While there were some examples of poor graphics in LBT 9 (the log you mentioned) the overall work with computer graphics was much better than in any previous LBT movies and there were no blunders as bad as some cases from the later movies. The first 3D animation we ever saw in LBT was in the prologue of LBT 7 and it just didn't fit in with the rest of the animation at all. The same goes for many 3D animations in LBT 10 (e.g. when Littlefoot is climbing up the tree). There is nothing nearly as bad in LBT 9. They made a much better job in blending photo realistic skies with the rest of the landscapes (no more dark green skies such as those we had in LBT 8) and the water too, in spite of being photorealistic, fit in quite well. Light reflections on the water surface etc. came across quite nice. The thunderstorm during which the final fight with the swimming sharptooth takes place is another example of very good animation work in LBT 9.
Mr. Grossvenor also didn't use strange color effects in LBT 9. I already mentioned the skies, but it should also be noted that for once everything and everyone didn't turn red in case of danger (one of the Grossvenor effects which seems to be really silly to me). As if to compensate for that Mo is about as shrill colored as shrill colored can be. When I first saw the cover of LBT 9 before the release of the movie I was horrified. "Pokemon invasion to LBT!" was my first though. I was surprised when I watched the movie and didn't feel bothered by his shrill colors at all (maybe Chomper had done his job to accustom me to strange colored dinosaurs).
There are also many inconsistancies in this sequal. I counted 68 inconsistancies and errors.
The major inconsistancy in my opinion was the use of that little landbreak as a barrier preventing Littlefoot and the others from getting home. Sure enough Petrie should have been able to fly across at a higher altitude and if they have a flyer who can carry Littlefoot, Cera, and Spike down from Threehorn peak (something so unrealistic that I consider it an inconsistancy of LBT 7 rather than one of LBT 9) there is no reason why that flyer shouldn't get them across that little landbreak. It might have been better to develope a plot without that earthquake supposedly forcing Littlefoot and the others to bring Mo home (no doubt there was no need for them to go all the way to the big water in order to get home again). There are much worse blunders in other LBT movies tearing the consistency not just of the respective movie, but also of earlier movies apart (LBT 10 being the worst example). Some of the blunders of LBT 9 have been there before, so if we were willing to take them back then, why would it be impossible to accept them now (e.g. Petrie could have flown over the Big Water in LBT 5 but he didn't for pretty much the same reasons for which he was unable to fly accross the landbreak in LBT 9).
Also, in about 15% of the film, the characters looked out of proportion.
There are scenes with characters looking out of proportion in every single movie. If there are so many cases as you claim (15%) you can undoubtedly provide many screenshots of the respective scenes, can't you?
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There are scenes with characters looking out of proportion in every single movie. If there are so many cases as you claim (15%) you can undoubtedly provide many screenshots of the respective scenes, can't you?
Yeah. I can. I just don't want to upset anyone by ruining the movie for them. When I mentioned specific errors before, Petrie got a little annoyed with me. If you want, I could take the screenshots and put them into a compressed archive and post the download link here so people can decide weather or not to download the images so if I ruin the movie for them, it'll be their fault for downloading it, not mine. I just don't want people to get mad at me.
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Oh that. That was more for those who haven't seen the films yet and might be reading the topics or really enjoy a film and care not about the errors. I've seen them already and without copies to watch I'm not concerned whether I know about errors or not.
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When I said 10-15% of the movie, that doesn't mean there are billions of unique scenes with out of proportion characters. There are a lot of them though but they are not very unique, Here's one example:
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa146/tlordame/gifff.gif)
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This one where Ducky is huge has probably 120 frames but they are only slightly different from each other. You can only tell their differences well by creating a gif like this.
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That's out of proportion
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Bt the way, there are 11 frames in this gif. I couldn't get it to freeze the screen very often.
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That's out of proportion
I know. That's the point. These are origional snapshots from lbt 9. If Ducky was really this size in other scenes, she'd be much taller than Spikes head and easily reaching to the tip of Cera's horn.
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There are similar cases in every single LBT movie. In LBT 3 we Ducky fitting comfortably on Littlefoot's head with Petrie sitting beside her, while in other scenes she reaches up to Littlefoot's knee or shoulder. This is not a particular LBT 9 phenomena. LBT 9 lasts about 72 minutes I think. 15% would make almost 11 minutes of oversized Duckys and undersized Littlefeet. I don't think one could find such a continuity of characters out of proportion. Yet if indeed they are "out of proportion" for such considerable spans of time we might start to wonder which movie or which scene is defining the "accurate" size of the LBT characters anyway. I still don't see LBT 9 being any worse about varying the characters' size than the other sequels.
Another good point in favor of LBT 9 is the swimming Sharptooth who ranks among the most impressive Sharpteeth we have seen since the one of the original movie. With many of Grosvenor's sharpteeth being particularly harmless it was quite refreshing to see a sharptooth who looked like he could bite. For the first time in quite a while we had a really emotional scene in which a character was percieved death.
The music of LBT 9 too has often received positive responses by fans.
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The music of LBT 9 too has often received positive responses by fans.
I loved all of the songs in lbt 9. There is usually one I don't really like that much in every sequal but this is not the case in lbt 9.
As for this sort of thing appearing in other sequals, I never really noticed this before.
Here's another error. The area around Mo's eye is origionally the pinkish color but on one of the scene's it was colored purple.
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa146/tlordame/mogif.gif)
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Man, STOP pointing out errors in the movie! There are tons of coloring mistakes, of size changes, in every single animated piece ever made.
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Sorry. Would it be all right if I keep making these things and post a download link here so you can decide weather or not to look at them?
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I guess. It's up to you. I mean, I could just not look at this thread anymore or something. Sorry if I sounded snappish in that last post of mine.
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No. You shouldn't have to do that. Besides, there could be more things besides the mention of errors. After the topic is just LBT 9, not errors in LBT 9. :lol
From now on, I'll just post download links here instead of the actual photo's/GIF's.
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I dare say a switch in the color of Mo's eye is nothing to ruin the movie, nor is it the only, nor the "worst" case of such a color switch throughout the sequels. For the sake of proving that point (As you say you didn't notice this before) take a look at the goodbye scene from Ali in LBT 4. Spike's chin is switching from orange to green and back. While such mistakes can rightfully be mentioned (preferably in ONE thread about all the errors in the series) I do not think that they can render a good movie bad unless they come in really excessive numbers or to an extremely bad degree, which is not the case with LBT 9. Are errors such as these enough for you to consider LBT 9 the worst ever?
After all you do think it was a great story and you (in spite of claiming hatred for music in general) love all of the music. There are many positive things that can be said about the animation in LBT three. There is a good blending of realistic skies and water with the rest of the landscapes and the characters, good effects (e.g. during the thunderstorm), there is an impressive sharptooth (the last one we have seen so far in the sequels), and very emotional scenes.
Are such flaws as Mo's eye-rings switching from pink to purple, or an overzized Ducky really enough for you to render the movie the worst ever?
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(in spite of claiming hatred for music in general) love all of the music
I said I hate all music except that of LBT music (this was in another thread).
In all, the thing I hated most of all about lbt 9 is the computer animation. It just doesn't go well with lbt in my opinion.
I really haven't noticed many errors in other sequals (I'm not calling you a liar of course). I don't know what it is that makes me notice the errors in lbt 9 so much. I just do. I guess it's because I focused more and more on this sequal when I first got it. This was my newest sequal for about 4 months because I refused to download them so it pretty much got watched about twice a day for four months in a row so that's about 240 times. I guess since it's my most frequently watched lbt sequal, I noticed more errors than other ones.
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Are such flaws as Mo's eye-rings switching from pink to purple, or an overzized Ducky really enough for you to render the movie the worst ever?
Now let's get something straight here. I didn't say lbt 9 was the worst movie ever, I said that it was the worst of the lbt sequals. There are plenty of movies I hate more than lbt 9 that arn't lbt. I could probably write a book about all the movies I hate. I'm not here for that though.
As I said in my post (above), I just noticed the errors more in lbt 9.
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Except for "Moeeeeee" I found this to be one of weakest installments. The entire journey into Mysterious Beyond didn't seem realistic. Unlike The Secret of Saurus Rock, Journey Through The Mists, Stone of Cold Fire, and Journey of Brave, which all featured plots where the Gang of Five had to rescue kin and family members, Journey to Big Water is a quest for a friend, while not necessarily weak, it just doesn't seem to warrant the peril the other installments did.
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Land Before Time 9 was a okay movie I guess. It did have it's flaws I did find moe annoying a bit. The plot was weak very weak actually it was to help send him home kind of a very boring plot if you ask me. The songs in this movie where actually good and very catchy. So as the sequels go yeah this one was one of the worst ones out there but not the worst it was still watchable.
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Land Before Time 9 was a okay movie I guess. It did have it's flaws I did find moe annoying a bit. The plot was weak very weak actually it was to help send him home kind of a very boring plot if you ask me. The songs in this movie where actually good and very catchy. So as the sequels go yeah this one was one of the worst ones out there but not the worst it was still watchable.
I was rather annoyed that they supplemented one of songs with "Big Big Big Water" from LBT V: The Mysterious Island. I thought that was rather lazy to just recycle a song from another installment. While it did make sense to pay homage to the "Big Water" they could have done some variation, even the pros like Hanz Zimmer and John Williams know to do variations.
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Here's another error. The area around Mo's eye is origionally the pinkish color but on one of the scene's it was colored purple.
Haha, even before I popped into this thread, I noticed that while watching, and I often don't pick up on little animation errors like that.
Anyway, I saw the film earlier today. Unfortunately, this is the first of the series that I didn't really care for at all. Like, it wasn't terrible or anything, but there wasn't all that much I enjoyed about it either. Even compared to some of the prior sequels, this one was too fluffy and light-hearted for my liking. Despite the earthshake and the swimming sharptooth, there wasn't much of a sense of danger throughout. I did like the design of the swimming sharptooth, and I think he could have been scary, but he just didn't show up enough for it to feel like he was ever much of a threat.
Even the way he was "defeated" was pretty lame. The last we see of him is when he chases after Mo. Then later when the gang finds Mo still alive, all we get is Mo telling us about what happened after the fact. Although even if they had shown that, all we would've seen was Mo hiding from the sharptooth in a log, and then the sharptooth would've just swam away. Bah.
Speaking of Mo, he had a cute design, but the character himself was annoying. Why did they have to give him such a weird voice?
I'm also getting fed up with Mr. Threehorn. After his character development in the third film, he should've started to mellow out by now. But no, he's still a big jerk. I'm starting to feel that he got flanderized into being "the mean, grumpy dinosaur."
Lastly, the other films all had good plotlines, but the plot here was a little weak. *shrug* I just think they could've come up with something more compelling than simply guiding a goofy fish creature back to the sea. It's ironic that the film opens with the kids singing about how bored they are, because the journey to the big water itself was on the dull side. :p
I don't want to sound too negative. Aside from a bit of patchy CG work, the animation as per usual was lovely to look at. And the gang themselves are still endearing as always. But overall, I guess I was just disappointed with this one because I'd been enjoying the series up to this point.
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Saw the film again a few days ago. My overall opinion of it hasn't changed a whole lot, but I did want to chime in with some new thoughts. This time around I'll be going a bit more... in-depth with it... :P
Mo has definitely grown on me. I have a certain @ImpracticalDino to thank for that one.
:Mo
Still, I find this to be one of the more dull and underwhelming entries in the series.
We do get a pretty cool underwater/stormy opening, at least. Great music too; it's so bombastic and fits the deep sea mood. Although it does start to get a bit redundant hearing the narrator give a similar speech about prehistoric life at the beginning of every movie.
Likewise, while I enjoy the underwater concept in itself, which helps LBT 9 stand out in a long-running film series, I do wish they'd gone further with the underwater/ocean vibes. It's a solid concept, but it was underdeveloped. The film focuses on their journey to big water, but they only reach it at the very end, and then we only see it briefly before the Gang heads back home. Why not make the entire journey a full-on ocean adventure with Mo instead? That would probably have made for a more energetic and exciting movie.
Which leads to my next point in that it takes a while for the film to really get going, one of my biggest problems with it. Also, what's up with Petrie suddenly having an imaginary friend? That sure came off random. :wacko
I really don't think it was a good idea for the characters to start off with a song about boredom. It just gives the film itself a dull feeling. Likewise, as you may have guessed, I'm not a big fan of "Imaginary Friend" either. However, I did enjoy the "Big Water" reprise. I also liked "No One Has to Be Alone", especially the end credits version!
I'm still not a fan of the way they handled the swimming sharptooth, but his design at least is suitably frightening. Mo's fake-out death was pretty lame, although I did get a kick out of Mo sticking his tongue out at the sharptooth and then whacking the sharptooth's face with his flipper. Somehow, I can just imagine ImpracticalDino doing that if he were a fish like Mo.
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Lastly, I appreciate that this is the final film where we get to hear James Horner's music. That's always a joy even despite some of my more lukewarm feelings.
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I have yet to see JOTB, so it'll be excluded from the list.
1. The Great Longneck Migration
2. The Great Valley Adventure
3. The Big Freeze
4. Journey Through the Mists
5. The Great Day of the Flyers
6. Journey to Big Water
7. The Secret of Saurus Rock
8. The Mysterious Island
9. The Stone of Cold Fire
10. Invasion of the Tinysauruses
11. The Time of the Great Giving
12. The Wisdom of Friends
This movie is one of my higher-ranked sequels. It's one of the B-sequels in my tier list, but I found it enjoyable. I will admit in hindsight that some of the CGI effects looked shoddy (in comparison to the smooth-looking snow in the previous movie, LBT 8), but to be honest, it never caught my eye as a child. All of the songs, sans "Boring", were also really good, and I thought the dynamic between Mo and the gang was adequate enough.
I think what really sold it for me, though, was the return of the Big Water. The last time the gang had an encounter with the Big Water, they had a really bad impression of it. Here, the scene of Littlefoot seeing everything that lived in the Big Water resolved that unexpected story arc. Of course, he almost drowned in it, proving the Big Water was still a dangerous place, but still, I liked the lesson here, which is that one should never judge a book by its cover. Or, in this case, first impression.
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I watched this film a couple of days ago. It was great to watch it again!
I don't have much to say about the story. There are some different storylines at the same time during the main story, like how Littlefoot learns, that you are "only as alone as alone as you choose to be" or the conflict beetween Mo and Cera, but both of them, Littlefoot's loneliness and Cera's jealousy end as quick as they began. The movie starts, after the great opening narration in the beginning, with a lot of talking and singing. I somehow even enjoyed this part part of the film, but I was shocked when I realized, that I had watched already nearly 1\3 of the film and only a few things had happened, after the "imagienary friend" song. Most of the parts of the film are uneventful, but the swimming sharptooth really subrised me in a good way. I'm not a fan of his design, but he is kind of dangerous and the scenes where he appears-espacially the last scene-are pretty good in my opinion, even when they are short.
The animation is okay. Only the colours are a little bit too bright sometimes in my opinion.
I also love the music in this film, not the songs, they are all good, but not as great as the music, that played in the background. When the six friends came to the big water, I heard the best scores of the whole "Land Before Time"-series play in the background. There was James Horner's "Discovery Of The Great Valley", the music from the end of the fift movie and Micheal Tavera's "The Valley". About the songs: I didn't pay much attention to "No One Has To Be Alone" until I came across this website. Maybe I nearly forgot this song, because of its only very small link to the main story. It's also hard for me to figure out, what made Littlefoot starting to sing this song.Mo shows him the star swimmers, he looks up to the stars and starts to sing. What made him suddently realize, that he isn't alone? Littlefoots lines in "Always There" from the fifth movie could answer this question. Or he just realized, that when it's dark at night, all those tiny lights in the sky are actually other... That would be telling, wouldn't it?
The last time the gang had an encounter with the Big Water, they had a really bad impression of it. Here, the scene of Littlefoot seeing everything that lived in the Big Water resolved that unexpected story arc. Of course, he almost drowned in it, proving the Big Water was still a dangerous place, but still, I liked the lesson here, which is that one should never judge a book by its cover. Or, in this case, first impression.
Yeah, you're right. Somehow the big water in the fifth movie and the big water in the ninth movie look like different places. I fifth movie only Elsie gives us a hint on, that there are also nice creatures who live in the big water, in the end of the ninth movie we see a lot of them. The sea in the fifth movie is deep and sometimes a bit rough, while in the ninth movie it has clear water and a smooth water surface.
Finally I discovered, that Mo is voiced Rob Paulsen(!) This is hard to believe. Mo and Guido are voiced by the same person? Wow!
I wish I could have done this post a few days earlier, but I had some problems with the keyboard of my computer. That's why I had to write this text without autocorrecture and I had to change the language setting on my computer from english to my native language and back very often.
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The last time the gang had an encounter with the Big Water, they had a really bad impression of it. Here, the scene of Littlefoot seeing everything that lived in the Big Water resolved that unexpected story arc. Of course, he almost drowned in it, proving the Big Water was still a dangerous place, but still, I liked the lesson here, which is that one should never judge a book by its cover. Or, in this case, first impression.
Yeah, you're right. Somehow the big water in the fifth movie and the big water in the ninth movie look like different places. I fifth movie only Elsie gives us a hint on, that there are also nice creatures who live in the big water, in the end of the ninth movie we see a lot of them. The sea in the fifth movie is deep and sometimes a bit rough, while in the ninth movie it has clear water and a smooth water surface.
Yeah, definitely. I'm glad this movie returned to and affirmed what Elsie had been saying.