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The Land Before Time => Cancelled and old projects => LBT Projects => LBT Audio Play Project => Topic started by: lbt/cty_lover on September 08, 2008, 10:05:19 PM
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While writing a post in the LBT 14 Topic, I thought of one of the most audacious LBT Project ever. It will be the Three Gorges Dam of fan-dom. We should make a completely fan-based LBT movie. Now, I started this as a poll to get the reviews. I don't want to try to organize something that will totally fail.
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I agree with this. we the fans should make our own fan-movie.
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I chose undecided. Everyone has such different ideas and what would make a good LBT movie and some people just might not be happy with the end result because their ideas didn't go through. I'm not saying that what you are saying is a bad idea, but I'm just voicing my opinion about this.
Also, I don't know if the creators of LBT would want any of our ideas, they seem to just want to stick with their ideas and not take anyone else's. I don't know for a fact if that's their mind set about the movies, but I am making an assumption about it.
Again, I say undecided.
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Is it legal to do that?
And there are many questions that would have to be discussed and decided, plot, time, if it should focus on the main characters, other characters that live in the great valley, original or characters seldom seen, or another location besides the Great Valley, even a made up one, ect.
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Is it legal to do that?
Look at the number of SW fan movies that have been made so it is legal. Check fan films.net http://www.fanfilms.net/ (http://www.fanfilms.net/) it has a lot of fan made films.
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I had only heard about fanmade dr who movies and some fanmade dc superhero trailers I downloaded years ago. I"m not sure how Universal is. I heard the BBC is pretty laid back about that.
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I just don't want to get in trouble with copyright laws. :bang
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If there are 11 fan films for Back to the Future I think they'd accecpt a LBT fan film.
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So long as we don't try to sell it, there's no problem with copyright. I voted yes. I have wanted to do this for the longest time, but I'm no artist. I'm afraid we'd have to use ONLY our own art and not any of the characters/backgrounds from the movies. We can't do this right now though. In a few years when we get more sophisticated programs and computers we can give it a shot, but for now we shouldn't try it. It would just be too much work with the current programs out there. What I'm waiting for is a program that will allow you to animate a 2D image without having to draw it frame by frame. If we had a program like this, we could easily make an LBT movie. There isn't a program like this out yet so until there is, there's no way we'll ever be able to succeed in creating an LBT movie.
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I feel like this is a good idea, though I would have no idea how.
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A lot of my LBT project resources (time, etc.) are going toward the LBT game we're making. I'm willing to hel if anyone has a special request of me but I don't suspect I'll have much time to volunteer for a lot of tasks for this one.
I really like the idea but, like Mumbling, I don't know how we'd ever achieve a result that would look, feel or do the LBT series as we know it, justice. Of course we can discuss and perhaps find a way to realize this project. It will depend on the scope of this project, how possible it will be to achieve an end result.
Good luck to everyone involved. If anyone needs something I'll do my best to help. :)
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I don't like the three gorges dam, but if handled better than that project I suppose such a movie could be interesting. However, Rat_Lady is rising an important point if this is a group project we are talking about. There is hardly a topic as controversially discussed among land before time fans as that of fanfictions and what should / should not be in them.
Which programs are you thinking of to make such a movie?
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It would require a team of people to work on, each doing different things. The first group of people would work on the plot, and they would try to satisfy as many people on the forum as possible. That would be one of the main goals of this fan-movie.
I have to agree with the other Austin, though. We would have to wait a while before we could viably make this thing. We don't have the software to do it, and iMovie HD is pretty much only good for putting scenes together with transitions. That would be something I could do, if I could get my hands on iLife '08.
However, this break between thinking of it and making it gives us one good thing. We can work on the plot while we wait for technology to make this project viable. This way, we'll have a couple of years to work on the plot. Then, we will have a good, well-thought-out plot.
About making the movie, that will wait. Until then, brainstorm away!!! I'll help think of the plot.
Oh, and Malte, I only said the Three Gorges Dam because this would be like no other project here. Pretty much like the Three Gorges Dam, except less work done on the Yangtze River.
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So long as we don't try to sell it, there's no problem with copyright. I voted yes. I have wanted to do this for the longest time, but I'm no artist. I'm afraid we'd have to use ONLY our own art and not any of the characters/backgrounds from the movies. We can't do this right now though. In a few years when we get more sophisticated programs and computers we can give it a shot, but for now we shouldn't try it. It would just be too much work with the current programs out there. What I'm waiting for is a program that will allow you to animate a 2D image without having to draw it frame by frame. If we had a program like this, we could easily make an LBT movie. There isn't a program like this out yet so until there is, there's no way we'll ever be able to succeed in creating an LBT movie.
I agree with this. Only if we try to sell it, there will be problems. Otherwise, it's free to go.
Well, I agreed. If I could help with anything, count me in for the plot, if its ok.
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We could always do an audio play sort of thing, like some old radio programs (yes way way before even my time radio stations did more then play music). I mentioned the idea to a member months ago on msn but he said the idea wasn't a good one.
The only drawback is most of the characters would likely be adult males with only a few females, no idea how many, if anyone, could do child voices, though with software to alter voices and such it may be possible to take an adult voice or a late teen voice and make it sound more like a kid's voice.
The animation could come later.
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I find that audio play idea quite interesting. It might sound odd if we try to imitate LBT character's voices, but I suppose it could be a lot of fun too. As for first making audio recordings and then the animation, that's just the way it is done with the real movies too.
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I could do childvoice I guess... :p But you're right Kor, we could do audio first..
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If we do we'd have to decide if we are going to use any of the fc characters, do only oc characters, allow or do a mix of them, minor 1 shot fc's like Guido and Skip with oc's, ect. Also if it's oc's only decide if it will be in the Great Valley or another location that we can make up.
We can do the animation later, like it's done with professional western animation (I heard anime they do the animation first and the voice & audio after) or do it with a focus on audio plays with maybe some or all being animated later. In old radio, and things meant to be audio like some audio books or audio comics things are slightly different then audio ment to be animated eventually or live action done. There is at times a narrator, and sometimes the characters will talk about what they see, "Look at that giant flyer." or a narrator: "the group felt uneasy walking through the dark cave with it's eerie sounds.", I"ll tie this vine to that large branch and swing out over the earthbreak." (where the char may not say that in animation but would be animated doing that.) or somesuch where in normal animation and live action they would do that less.
Maybe try with short productions that are 5 - maybe increasing to 10 or 15 minutes to get in practice and allow some to see if they want to do that. And maybe starting a voice acting thread so some can share tips and information. Maybe have some sort of voice acting practice or something if such a thing is possible with some program or something so some can practice and get better if they wish. Since I assume most here are maybe like me with no experience really acting or doing voice work acting and any ability they have would be the default undeveloped type with some, like me, having shyness that may make it harder at first too.
Some may be able to do only 1 voice or only a few, maybe with practice and help can learn to do some other new voices and post production can help also with altering voices maybe.
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I purposely chose Somewhat agree, only on the basis that while even if we went with Kor's brilliant idea of an audio play...the plot would still be debatable by just about everyone here, or at least those of us participating in this project.
I do agree with Kor about the voice acting thread though...it would be able to help those of us (like me :p ) Who have yet to practice voice acting to get some assistance.
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Such a project would in any case require a script version of any story of which we might want to create an audio play.
Now I don't know if this idea would be popular, but it is just a suggestion. There have been six land before time audio plays released in Germany which are not based on the movies. The plays are reasonably short (roughly 25 minutes each), so it might be a realistic basis to begin with (hour lasting epics can still be created if we realize that short stories are possible).
I could try to write a translated script of one of those plays.
A main difficulty of the producing of an audio play would be to make it sound convincing although we can't be together during the recording. Most of the talking in the audio plays are dialogues and it would sound very odd if it didn't sound like the characters we are recording were talking really to each other. Perhaps one could practice in microphone MSN chats. Recording such a microphone chat would probably be insufficient as one voice would inevitably sound quieter than the other and the other voice would be heard with some delay only. However, if such a chat was recorded on both ends, it might be possible to cut something together that sounds convincing.
As there are dialogues with more than two characters involved it might be best to check out for a program that allows microphone chats among more than two people (Skype, I think, would allow this, but please correct me if I'm mistaken). Also for the audio play to sound convincing we might need a couple of background sounds which I doubt anyone of us could utter (chirring of crickets, roaring of sharptooth etc.).
I don't know, but would there be any interest in such an approach? The project cannot be realized unless we have enough speakers for not just the main but also a few side characters.
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Yeah. That actually could work. I've been thinking about this idea, and if we have the audio part, then all that we would need is the animation, which will be on hold until we can actually work on it.
So I think that it's decided that this project has the green light. We have support, we have a plan, and we have a means of putting said plan into action. Now, I have a request for the admins. We need a place to brainstorm the plots. Can the admins create a forum in the LBT projects category for plot ideas to go? This should keep the project a little more orderly and organized.
To Kor, this is a collaboration of people on the board. I won't be working on this alone, because I could never do something like this on my own. I won't decide a plot, everyone working on the project would decide on a plot from a variety of suggested plots.
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I would love to be a part of this, although even in the future I will probably be of no use in terms of animation. However, maybe I can help with voice acting if we need an older character, and if I can find some software that can imitate a child's voice without making me sound like a chipmunk then I could voice one of the younger characters. I will probably be the most effective in helping out with the plot.
I agree that we need a seperate forum to organize all of these ideas, but I am so excited for this project!
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The German audio plays may be a good place to start, with some plots and just need the script typed up. That would give folks some time before a script would need to be done from scratch by one of us or a group of us here.
I would guess many of us would need to use some sort of program, if such exists, to make our voice sound like that of a child, without the silly chipmunk part. Being able to alter one's voice a bit to be able to do several characters may be nice also, depending on how many voice actors stick with it.
That is one of the reasons I suggested at first try short little 5 then maybe longer short scenes to get some experience on what it is like doing one, and to get some experience, try things out, experiment ect. One idea for some scripts in the future if we get to trying full hour or movie length audio plays may be past pure lbt rp threads here and maybe some pure lbt fanfiction done by some of the members here, giving due credit of course.
About the doing voice acting together, I'm not sure how the other places do it but some have mentioned good ideas. One of the podcasts I listen to mentioned how they do it. I think they use skype or someother such program, but the reason the podcast sounds good is eaach of the 2 folks in it record only their part of the podcast, then sends it to the main one who does the audio work and that person takes the 2 sound files and merges them.
Using some sort of program so we could be together could be good for practice also, and some sharing tips to those of us who have never voice acted before, and to get over the shyness some of us would feel about doing the voice acting thing as well as to learn how to get better.
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I think that we should try to get a means of talking to each other. I mean actually talking to each other, not just typing messages. Any ways of doing such for a group of people?
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Skype is what comes to mind, but not for this many people, I think. In fact, I think the most effective way of doing this is for those who can gather with another member(s) to gather, but for the others...
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Okay, I think I've found a place that we could use.
The URL is here. http://www.dimdim.com/ (http://www.dimdim.com/)
It might say something about price, but we can get twenty people at max in one video conference for free. By the way, there will be a chat as well as a conference. The maximum length would be five hours, but that would be more than enough to get something working.
I'd check it out if you want to help collaborate on this, even if you don't have a webcam. Another thing, I would like to know when it would be good for everyone to meet, because I could schedule a meeting for a certain date/time and length, if that's okay.
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I could help.
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If we do all meet there is still the problem of getting there.
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I agreed.
I think that all of this is a great idea.
I would like to be a part of this if it¥s ok. :^.^:
About the meting: it¥s a great idea to, but first it would be better to decide the plot.
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A good way to discuss the plot would be by discussing the plot options that are available. First off, we should begin by brainstorming plots and writing down scripts for these plots. We could try multiple audio plays to practice script writing, then choose some of the better ones, extend the plot, redo the voice-acting, and add the animation when we can actually animate.
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When is all of this officialy starting?
PS:We could also all join in a msn chat
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Well, I don't have MSN. So that wouldn't be useful for me. However, e-mail would work just fine. If we want something fast, I think that I could try to make an MSN account, even though I don't like using stuff by Microsoft. I'll put computer preferences aside for the greater good. Just this once, though.
As for it officially starting, it could start now. I would like to wait until we could get a forum for plots, but we could just begin making them here and the admins could move them into the sub-forum. So if you want to start making a plot, go on ahead. Just keep it in the LBT Projects section, and make sure we know that it is a plot.
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Maybe we could use our fanfics for possible plots?
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Some would make good plots. Others, like mine, wouldn't. However, that could be a good idea.
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Well the one I'm working on is a posibilty my next two won't However I have an Idea to write some fanfic based on one of my characters.
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There have been six land before time audio plays released in Germany which are not based on the movies.
Are there any English-dubbed versions of these plays? I believe ya said in a previous post they're strictly in German, but I was just curious nonetheless.
Sounds like an awesome project, folks :yes. Sadly, I don't have any recording software and I am way busy with school and work(story of a student's life :rolleyes:). However, I can be of help in regards to assisting and making suggestions with the plot. I'd be of use there B).
As for voice-over work, I have a speaking pitch most similar to Cera's pitch(coincidence :P:?). However, I don't know about y'all, but a Cera with a strong Southern dialect would sound, well, too weird :lol. I can't even picture Ducky speaking in that dialect B). I swear, I would hit the floor if they came out with a sequel featuring Ducky with a Southern dialect(considering her grammar is nearly impeccable how it is) :lol :p. Anyhoo, hopefully this project goes smoothly :yes.
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That is one of the many things that will have to be discussed, is if we'll be using fc's only, oc's only or a mix of them. Each offers certain good and bad points.
Also with the fact some have conflicting schedules due to work, school, and being spread over the world may make meeting as 1 group difficult. It may be a few groups with some overlapping of folks who can attend more then 1 scheduled meeting.
Talking over plots and such is ok, though many other things will have to be discussed before we get to the plot talking stage. Oc's, fc's, mix, great valley or another location, suggested software. practice, if some can help others with learning to do voice acting better, ect.
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Noone disagreed so far. Making a whole movie will be very hard. And the most hardest part will be not to give up the project in the middle of the process.
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This kind of project is somewhat encouraging as it can really attract people and ideas begin to flow.
I agree with landbeforetimelover when he says that to make animations is far too complicated, and since there are people working on the LBT game, then why not to mix things up?
We may never be able to make a fan-movie, but we could manage to use the resources that the game can give and begin the project from there, we can even make a good plot for the game itself by making some kind of "campaign". So both the fan-movie and the fan-game could get beneficial results... I hope I did not confuse you :( .
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Noone disagreed so far. Making a whole movie will be very hard. And the most hardest part will be not to give up the project in the middle of the process.
That is why the audio play movie should not be the first thing. After the discussions, practicing, trying various short scenes of a few minutes then longer, and other such things including maybe voice acting practice and classes and trying out different roles and such. Maybe working up to doing those 25 minute or so German audio plays, if someone has them translated or gradually can may be a medium term goal to work up to being able to do them. An actual movie length audio play may be a long term goal.
The discussions would be wants, not wanted stuff, will it be in the great valley or elsewhere, will it be oc's only, fc's only, or a mix of the 2, and other things.
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Okay, first off, we should schedule a web conference so that we can discuss whether to allow OCs or not. I personally want to make this something that completes the LBT franchise. But we can discuss that later.
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I would like to see just the characters lbt originally got, and no OCs...
Maybe I could be of any use, being a girl. :P:
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Hmm, the only thing that I can help with would be the plot, as I have no experience in animation, or voice-acting.
I would also say no OCs.
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That is certainly one big project I would really like to be in it. :)
But that is also alot of hard work.
I mean an own created "movie"? Maybe we should start small first like an episode for testing. The hardest part would likely be animation.
24 images in only 1 second. That would be 7200 images for only 5 minutes. o.O That would take awhile. :P:
Like lbtlover mentioned, we should wait until an animation programm is released where you don't have to draw every frame each. :p
But we can start talking about the plot first. That would take a while too until we have a satisfied end result. :D
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Better start now than later. The later its started, the more time it will take, right?
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The only thing about no oc's is the roles would be pretty small and it would be restrictive.
Allowing oc's would be more open and less restrictive. One sorta middle ground option is to allow oc's but only of characters that have been shown to be at the very least a background non speaking part, some kids shown at the end of the 6th movie, a scene in the lonely journey, various flyers shown flying around in the sky, other characters including adults shown in background shots but no speaking or given a few lines in this or that song, or a spoken line or a few lines here or there, ect.
I've mentioned some ideas about practicing and such but since I've said it before and it seems to be ignored I"ll not mention again.
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Explorer Posted on Sep 10 2008, 11:15 AM
Better start now than later. The later its started, the more time it will take, right?
I agree, the sonner we decide the plot, the sonner we can start with other parts.
Hmmm, I was just wondering how it will be when the voice acting for the a song(s), begins, it will be really hard. The part when all have to sing together, and the solo parts.
How it will be done? The sounds and all that will have to be choose.
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Background sounds... some aren't too difficult to recreate, using the right objects.
Some objects give interesting and possibly useful sounds. However, sorry for my lack of knowledge on the subject...
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Sounds shouldnt be too much of a problem ;) Got loads of sound effects on my computer.
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Guess sounds wont be a problem after all <_<
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Got a few ones too. And can make some more using a sound editor. I use the program "Sound Editor".
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Before the discussion gets any more in depth, I just want to give a shout-out to the admins for starting up the sub-forum for this. Thank you! And for allowing attachments for this sub-forum, too.
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You're very welcome :yes
I thought that for short auditions or the like it might sometimes be helpful to be able to work with attachments. Whenever possible though we should host our stuff elsewhere not to stretch our freespace.
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I think I'm in. One way or the other.
Lets just say this project has my full support!
Whenever it will be done or how I can do a part, I don't know.
Sounds fun though. :^.^:
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For sound effects you can do like I saw in a documentary in the 70's or early 80's (not sure which it was) about where one of the sound guys from the star wars movies showed how he did some of the sound effects and they used regular everyday objects. One of them was for the cocking of a blaster he used a parking meter, twisting the nob thing and releasing it. Another thing was using a length of wire and hitting it.
For singing it may be necessary, though some may not like this it is done in some professional animation, where the voice actor who does the character may not have an interest nor be able to sing and we may ask if one of the folks involved in the singing projects here may do x char's singing voice for songs.
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If anyone is willing to accept me helping out, I'm in. However, the only thing I would be willing to help out on is the script. It won't be much, but perhaps I could provide a few ideas here and there, and maybe even some ideas for some of of the dialog.
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Something useful for plot planning would be a chat for quick messaging. Its easier to plan.
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That would work, too. A chat would be great for collaboration on plots and scripts. How would discussions by the reviewing board work, though?
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What do you mean? I guess they would be a little more limited, since they're the reviewing staff,right?
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I mean, noting parts of a plot/script would be a little more challenging on a chat. Visuals would make the thing a whole lot easier.
I think I'll create a topic for recruiting people for the examination boards.
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I think there should also be a thread/topic exclusively for the plot planning. We have one for suggestions. That would make part one. Part Two, plot planning, centered. Part three, examination.
What do you think?
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Like I said earlier I will help possibly with as a character.
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I think there should also be a thread/topic exclusively for the plot planning. We have one for suggestions. That would make part one. Part Two, plot planning, centered. Part three, examination.
What do you think?
What do I think?
That isn't to shabby. This would be a good way to help people design plots for these audio plays. Then we put the plot through the screening process, then move on to the script.
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So we're wait for an animation program before we make a fan movie?
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Well, yes. However, we won't waste our time. We will work on perfecting the audio to the eventual movie via audio plays.
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No need to wait for an animation program. Depending how long it is before folks feel ready to try to make a fan made animation short, the audio play may be as polished as it can be with folks with experience in various parts of the production, acting, software, scripts, giving ideas, ect.
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No need to wait for an animation program. Depending how long it is before folks feel ready to try to make a fan made animation short, the audio play may be as polished as it can be with folks with experience in various parts of the production, acting, software, scripts, giving ideas, ect.
I think it would be some what long but still not all of us have recording capibility on our computers I know I don't but I am gonna get a computer that does. or I could just get some recording capibility for it.
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As of now, it would be fairly time-consuming to make an animated segment. Just the animation alone would take a while. Then comes all the other stuff.
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As of now, it would be fairly time-consuming to make an animated segment. Just the animation alone would take a while. Then comes all the other stuff.
Yeah so it would probbaly be best to wait to make a LBT fan film.
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Eventually we'll have to discuss, if there will be someone, or more then someone who'll be in the post production part, if they'll add music, likely difficult unless they do their own music for the thing. I don't the legal thing concerning this, or maybe no music, sound effects. There may be some generic sound effects and maybe some free sound effects that anyone is allowed to download and use, maybe even for something the sound effect was not intentionally designed and labeled for, or making up some of their own sound effects from ordinary items.
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Blimey Kor, me has about 6000/7000 soundeffects on my computer. Me got 'em for that scurvy LBT game of this forum. But that one isn't really makin' any progress, so I guess me might as well use 'em for this movie thing eh? Now, hakuna matata as that brownish pig would say, about the sound effects, at least.
(just talking piratelike :p if ya didnt get all this, tell me :D Me no native speaker so I can understand that I'm making mistakes, lol :p )
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I agree with you! This is an awesome idea!
If we all work together and work really hard, we can do this!
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We can, everyone can likely have some part to help in the overall project.
Why not use the soundeffects for both, the game and the various audio plays.
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Yarr matey, that be sounding like a grand idea! Arr!