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landbeforetimelover · **Reply #20 on:** July 19, 2007, 02:30:44 PM

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I can tell you right now, even with their most advanced technology, a cover like that would not take five minutes. The sketching, the drawing, the inking..impossible in five minutes, no matter what program they are using. It's not like they have a program that automatically inks and automatically colors, in just a minute or so. It would take much longer

You have no idea the capabilities of these programs do you? If you've used photoshop (which I'm sure very few of you have), it can do just about anything. I could turn 1 drawn image into a bunch of images and make a little movie out of it. And photoshop's a nothing program. I can't even imagine what their programs are capable of. I'll bet there are only around 2000 drawn images out of the 64,000 that are used. I'm not kidding. Technology is the largest factor in creating these tv eps.

landbeforetimelover · **Reply #21 on:** July 19, 2007, 02:33:20 PM

Also, theres a program out there that will automatically shade and color images for you. It's about $1200, but Universal has something far better, I assure you.

DarkHououmon · **Reply #22 on:** July 19, 2007, 02:36:36 PM

:: shrug :: Whatever.

DarkHououmon · **Reply #23 on:** July 19, 2007, 02:39:44 PM

I know that cover did not take 5 minutes to produce. 5 minutes is not enough time to draw that and to color that. Oh they can have the most advanced technology, but when it comes straight down to it, there is no way a cover can be produced in 5 minutes. That's just too little time.

landbeforetimelover · **Reply #24 on:** July 19, 2007, 02:41:36 PM

all they had to do was a very rough sketch. the program colors it, shades it, and corrects any lines that arn't just right. I'm telling ya. 5 minutes. Tops.

DarkHououmon · **Reply #25 on:** July 19, 2007, 02:43:14 PM

Nope, not five minutes. Definitely longer.

DarkHououmon · **Reply #26 on:** July 19, 2007, 02:44:15 PM

And a rough sketch of that alone would take longer than five minutes. They use shapes in animation. Once the shapes are down, they have to draw the characters themselves.

landbeforetimelover · **Reply #27 on:** July 19, 2007, 02:52:09 PM

these artists are fast and precise. I'm telling you. 5 minutes for the sketch, and maybe 15 minutes for all the computer effects. Of course the design took some time too. I'm just talking about the rough drawing.

You ever seen a pro atrist go at it? It might take him a minute to draw a perfect dog life size with no coloring or shading. That's obsolete. The program colors and shades. That's how they get it done so fast.

DarkHououmon · **Reply #28 on:** July 19, 2007, 02:55:21 PM

Continue to think what you want, landbeforetimelover. But nothing you say will convince me otherwise.

landbeforetimelover · **Reply #29 on:** July 19, 2007, 03:02:40 PM

how do you explain them getting almost 100,000 frames done per day then? There's no way to do it if they were all drawn by hand or unless you had thousands of artists.

Keni · **Reply #30 on:** July 19, 2007, 03:03:27 PM

A sketch takes longer than 5 minutes. One time I went to Disney and there were professional artists (And I mean professional artists who can draw Disney characters identical to their original sketches from original artists) and it definetly takes them more than 5 minutes to sketch a full body character. I know, I watched one of them draw Donald Duck in full body and detail, I went around looking the store and when I came back about 10 minutes or so later the artist was still drawing on the same character, finishing up the legs and starting with the background. 5 minutes is enough to get a character face done in good detail, but it definetly takes longer then that to draw up that DVD cover even in simple sketch.

Universal's coloring and shading programs aren't as better as the one we can obtain like Photoshop CS2, Paint Shop Pro, you name it. These programs are extremely expensive for a reason. You can find them but it'll be tough to buy them due to their high price. So if an artist can draw a great picture and color it like this DVD cover in about a week with these kind of high quality programs, what makes Universal different that would take even less time than this to make their pictures and covers?

A possibility of a picture like this taking little time to create would be a team of about 10 people sketching respective parts of the cover and then stacking them in frames for the final piece, but even then they would have to scan it all together and then color it. By then those 5 minutes would've been long gone.

landbeforetimelover · **Reply #31 on:** July 19, 2007, 03:05:24 PM

there is no way to get one of these tv eps done in a week unless you have thousands of artists or very expensive programs. Photoshop isn't that expensive. Only around $450 now.

DarkHououmon · **Reply #32 on:** July 19, 2007, 03:05:51 PM

I completely agree with Keni.

DarkHououmon · **Reply #33 on:** July 19, 2007, 03:07:03 PM

The newer Photoshops are over a thousand dollars, actually. I've seen some priced at $4,000.. $6,000 even if I recall correctly. I'll have to doublecheck.

EDIT: No wait, nevermind. I misread the price. ^^;

landbeforetimelover · **Reply #34 on:** July 19, 2007, 03:08:10 PM

if you had 10 people drawing those 64000 frames 24/7 it would take over 50 years to get it done. All this is not done by hand. Only a small fraction of these sketches are hand drawn. the rest is up to the computers.

this is assuming that each sketch took 3 days to complete.

DarkHououmon · **Reply #35 on:** July 19, 2007, 03:11:27 PM

How would you even know that? Have you gone into the studios yourself?

The newest Photoshop costs around 700 dollars. Not a large number of everyday people can afford that. But Universal, like you said, would use the more advanced technology, so they would have to get Photoshop Extended, which costs close to $1,000.

And $1,000 is definitely not an easy sum to come up with and spend for one program. Universal could easily pay for it, but not for everyone.

Keni · **Reply #36 on:** July 19, 2007, 03:12:52 PM

Episodes aren't done as fast as you think. Animated TV episodes are started YEARS before they even announce and/or air it. When the series premiers there are usually 10-30 episodes already done so they won't put the series on hatius. If they premier episodes as they are done we would usually have a six month waiting time for the new episodes, maybe even up to a year.

These days animation are colored by computer, so yes that may take some hours off their schedule when colored by hand.

landbeforetimelover · **Reply #37 on:** July 19, 2007, 03:19:29 PM

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How would you even know that? Have you gone into the studios yourself?

It's called math. 3 days per image times 64000 = 192000 days. Devide by 365 to get years. 526 years. That's with 1 artist. with 10 artists, it would be 52.6 years. 100 artists 5.26 years. with 1000 artists is 6.312months. 10,000 artists is 18 days. it gets lower and lower but they have to pay these artists a lot of money. Universal doesn't have the money to pay 10000 artists. that would cost too much to make a profit off a tv ep.

all this is based on the assumption that it took 3 days to draw each frame.

Petrie. · **Reply #38 on:** July 19, 2007, 03:24:35 PM

^ You also assume all artists do the same task at the same rate. Last I checked an in-betweener was not necessarily an expert in backgrounds and vice-versa. Too many variables.

Also, why only four episodes per dvd release? A full 13 could fit on a double sided dual layer disc and its not going to suffer severe quality loss. Wonder what gives, Universal???

landbeforetimelover · **Reply #39 on:** July 19, 2007, 03:25:46 PM

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Also, why only four episodes? A full 13 could fit on a double sided dual layer disc.

why do you think? More money!