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Title: The Dinosaur Legacy
Post by: Dosu2Dinner on July 24, 2013, 11:11:18 AM
:huh: Considering I can't actually make it, a lot of though has gone into this idea I once had of a dinosaur-documentary, featuring as many different Mesozoic ecosystems as possible in chronological order with all sorts of extinct genera, some well known, and others not well known.
Here is an episode list I devised. It features the name of the episode, when and where its set (some episodes have two different location segments) and the extinct genera featured in it. By all means give me your thoughts. Any dinosaur enthusiasts?  :lol

Episode 1 – Dawn of a Dynasty

Late Triassic, Uruguay, 225,000,000 years ago
Dinodontosaurus
Neoaetosauroides
Staurikosaurus
Eoraptor
Herrerasaurus
Fasolasuchus
Eudimorphodon
Effigia
Pisanosaurus
Shonisaurus (dead)
Riojasaurus



Episode 2 – The Take-Over

Early Jurassic, Antarctica, 199,000,000 years ago
Heterodontosaurus
Glacialisaurus
Cryolophosaurus
Vulcanodon



Episode 3 – The Golden Age

Late Jurassic, Beijing, 156,000,000 years ago
Agilisaurus
Guanlong
Wukongopterus
Mamenchisaurus
Tuojiangosaurus
Datousaurus
Juramaia
Epidexipteryx
Monolophosaurus
Yangchuanosaurus
Batrachognathus
Hudeisaurus
Chungkingosaurus




Episode 4 – The Coast

Late Jurassic, Munich, 148,000,000 years ago
Compsognathus
Archaeopteryx
Bavariasaurus
Europasaurus
Kimmerosaurus
Pliosaurus
Caypullisaurus
Plesiosuchus
Geosaurus
Ophthalmosaurus
Hybodus
Ctenochasma
Rhamphorynchus
Pterodactylus
Sciurumimus
Megateuthis



Episode 5 – Survival of the Fittest

Early Cretaceous, Monaco, 125,000,000 years ago
Scipionyx
Pelicanimimus
Demandasaurus
Iguanodon
Caukilocephalus
Istiodactylus
Polacanthus
Hypsilophodon
Concavenator
Europajara
Baryonyx
Early Cretaceous, Utah, 125,000,000 years ago
Utahraptor
Dakodon
Cedarosaurus
Gastonia
Falcarius





Episode 6 – Feathered Dragons

Early Cretaceous, North Korea, 120,000,000 years ago
Altirhinus
Caudipteryx
Psittacosaurus
Sinovenator
Repenomamus
Epidendrosaurus
Xianglong
Microraptor
Sinornithosaurus
Jeholosaurus
Insicivosaurus
Dusngripterus
Nemicolopterus
Yutyrannus
Alxasaurus



Episode 7 – Swamps of the Sahara

Early Cretaceous, Niger, 111,000,000 years ago
Ouranosaurus
Kryptops
Nigersaurus
Alanqa
Valdosaurus
Eocarcharia
Suchomimus
Kaprosuchus
Sarcosuchus
Spinosaurus
Onchopristis



Episode 8 – Season Drama

Mid Cretaceous, New Zealand, 100,000,000 years ago
Leaellynasaura
Minmi
Atlascopsosaurus
Muttaburasaurus
Australovenator
Diamantinasaurus
Timimus



Episode 9 – Giants of the South

Mid Cretaceous, Argentina, 97,000,000 years ago
Macrogryphosaurus
Gaspirinasaura
Limaysaurus
Giganotosaurus
Skorpiovenator
Pterodaustro
Andesaurus
Buitreraptor
Amargasuchus
Oxalaia
Ekrixinatosaurus


Episode 10 – Foundations for the Future

Mid Cretaceous, Uzbekistan, 91,000,000 years ago
Gobisaurus
Turanoceratops
Achillobator
Chilantaisaurus
Archaeornithomimus
Azdarcho


Episode 11 – Herds of the North

Late Cretaceous, Vancouver, 78,000,000 years ago
Troodon
Euoplocephalus
Gryposaurus
Lambeosaurus
Anchiceratops
Pachyrhinosaurus
Dromicieomimus
Gorgosaurus
Atrociraptor
Prosaurolophus
Monoclonius
Late Cretaceous, New Jersey, 78,000,000 years ago
(Various nodosaurids)
Hypsibema
Claosaurus
Dryptosaurus
Appalchiasaurus
Squalicorax
Cretoxyrhina


Episode 12 – The New Order

Late Cretaceous, Argentina, 75,000,000 years ago
Secernosaurus
Noasaurus
Abelisaurus
Aucasaurus
Carnotaurus
Neuquensaurus
Antarctosaurus
Patagonykus
Unenlagia
Austroraptor
Aerosteon


Episode 13 – The Lost Worlds

Late Cretaceous, India, 73,000,000 years ago
Jainosaurus
Rajasaurus
Bruhathkayosaurus
Compsosuchus
Indosuchus
Isisaurus
Late Cretaceous, Madagascar, 73,000,000 years ago
Masiakasaurus
Simosuchus
Beezlebufo
Rahonavis
Rapetosaurus
Majungasaurus
Madstoia




Episode 14 – Giants amongst dwarves.

Late Cretaceous, Ha?eg Island, 70,000,000 years ago
Zalmoxes
Balaur
Magyarosaurus
Rhabdodon
Hatzegopertyx
Struthiosaurus
Telmatosaurus
Ajkaceratops
Pannoniasaurus
Elopteryx
Bradycme
Late Cretaceous, Austria, 70,000,000 years ago
Arenysaurus
Ampelosaurus
Tarascosaurus
Hungarosaurus
Pyroraptor
Variraptor


Episode 15 – The Desert Struggle

Late Cretaceous, Mongolia, 66,000,000 years ago part 1
Velociraptor
Protoceratops
Kerberosaurus
Charonosaurus
Tarchia
Zhuchengtyrannus
Tarbosaurus
Therizinosaurus
Zalambdalestes
Nemegtosaurus
Sinoceratops
Conchoraptor
Oviraptor



Episode 16 – The End of An Era

Late Cretaceous, Mongolia, 66,000,000 years ago part 2
[all animals featured in previous episode plus…]
Hollanda
Citipati
Shuuvuia
Saurornithoides
Ingenia
Gigantoraptor
Alectrosaurus
Bagaceratops
Olorititan
Shangtungosaurus
Gallimimus
Nanshiungosaurus

Give me your thoughts, and, if you so desire, suggest changes or improvements. I'd be happy to hear them.  :DD Also, if anyone's interested, I could post the plot synopsis' for these episodes too!
Title: The Dinosaur Legacy
Post by: Pangaea on September 09, 2013, 05:36:49 AM
Sorry for taking so much longer to post here than intended. :oops

First off, let me say that I am impressed by the number and variety of obscure Mesozoic genera you have listed here. :wow I am definitely curious as to how you plan to have all these different creatures interact, and so I absolutely think that you should post your envisioned synopses for the episodes. :yes I might also suggest adding brief descriptions of what the animals on this list are (e.g., “Diamantinasaurus: titanosaurian sauropod”, “Onchopristis: sawfish”, “Hollanda: ground-foraging predatory bird”), for the benefit of members who are unfamiliar with most of them, and would otherwise have to look them up one by one.

Just a few disclaimers concerning the validity of certain cast members:Though I can’t say for certain, given that I haven’t seen your synopses yet, I think you might have a few too many similar dinosaurs in some episodes (You have so many animals listed that I don’t think I can cover them all right now). For example, I would personally recommend against using both Oviraptor and Citipati in Episodes 15 and 16, as the two were very similar, and Oviraptor is actually known from poorer fossil material than Citipati (a shame, because I hate the latter’s name :rolleyes). If you wanted to have a diversity of oviraptorosaurs, here’s (http://mattmart.deviantart.com/art/Oviraptoridae-Updated-183158717) a comparative guide to oviraptorids consisting of portraits of species and individual specimens from which skull material is known, and here (http://www.thescelosaurus.com/oviraptorosauria.htm) is one list of all currently accepted oviraptorosaur genera and species (The site, Thescelosaurus (http://www.thescelosaurus.com/), is one of my most oft-referenced dinosaur Web resources, though it is by no means the only source one should use). The same goes for Conchoraptor and “Ingenia”, Tarbosaurus and Zhuchengtyrannus, and Nanshiungosaurus and Therizinosaurus.

There’s a related problem in Episode 12. To me it seems like overkill to have Aucasaurus, Abelisaurus, Aerosteon, Austroraptor, and Carnotaurus in the same episode; that’s a lot of large carnivores in one place. For that matter, while Aucasaurus and Abelisaurus are both known from the early Campanian-age Rio Colorado Formation, Carnotaurus is from the Gorro Frigio Formation, which dates to the later Maastrichtian stage, and (As for Aerosteon, some sources I find say that it dates from the Santonian, while at least one states that it is early Campanian).

On that note, I can’t help but notice that most of your episodes contain several genera that were not native to the location and/or time of the setting (Again, it would take a long time to point out all of them). It can be reasoned that we do not know the complete extent of any one Mesozoic animal’s range (in either time or space), and that some of their ranges might conceivably have overlapped even if there is no hard evidence of it. However, some of the genera in the episodes are rather widely separated in the fossil record, and it probably wouldn’t be accurate to feature them living in that time and place. For example, Episode 1’s Herrerasaurus, Eoraptor, and Pisanosaurus are all from the Ischigualasto Formation (http://www.dinodata.org/index.php/dinosaursa/fs/2694-ischigualasto-formation-argentina), which was about the same age as the Santa Maria Formation (http://www.dinodata.org/index.php/dinosaursa/fs/2529-caturrita-formation-santa-maria-formation-estado-do-rio-grande-do-sul-brazil), which yielded Staurikosaurus. So it's plausible that all four of them could have encountered one another, but Riojasaurus and Fasolasauchus  are both from the Los Colorados Formation (http://www.dinodata.org/index.php/dinosaursa/fs/2782-los-colorados-formation-provincia-de-la-rioja-argentina), which is several million years younger.

An even more problematic example may be Episodes 15 and 16: it seems that Citipati, Conchoraptor, Hollanda, Oviraptor, Protoceratops, Saurornithoides, Shuuvuia, and Velociraptor were all from the Campanian stage; so far as we know, they were not even around 66 million years ago. In fact, according to the aforementioned Thescelosaurus site, Charonosaurus, Kerberosaurus, and
Olorititan are the only dinosaurs listed for those episodes of which fossils are known from the end of the Maastrichtian. (If the site’s data is accurate, Alectrosaurus, Bagaceratops, Gallimimus, Gigantoraptor, “Ingenia” (possibly), Nanshiungosaurus, Nemegtosaurus, Shantungosaurus, Sinoceratops, Tarbosaurus, Tarchia, Therizinosaurus, and Zhuchengtyrannus all lived during the early Maastrichtian, at least, so it’s possible that at least some of them survived to the very end, but I can’t say that with any scientific certainty.)

I noticed a few misspelled names (many probably the result of simple typos); here are all that I could find:I have a few suggestions for other creatures you could potentially add to your episodes to round out the ecosystems:There’s one other opinion that I’d like to share: I seriously think that you should consider making more episodes set in the Triassic period. Of all the stages in the Mesozoic, it's the one that gets the least attention; I've never seen a dinosaur series that spent more than one episode on it, and I have a hard time naming any dinosaur movie featuring species from the Triassic. I'm guessing it's because there were relatively few dinosaurs in that period, and they had not yet attained the great diversity of forms they are famous for. To me, it’s that the Triassic is such an ignored period, because it is a treasure trove of extraordinary creatures:I think that’s all the feedback I have time to give right now. (It took me about two days to compose all of this, and it's still far from what I would consider a complete appraisal. :wacko) I hope at least some of it is helpful. :)

P.S. Just a cautionary tip: when searching for information on obscure Triassic reptiles, avoid the site ReptileEvolution.com, and any other sources by the independent researcher David Peters (including the Longisquama skeletal reconstructions on Wikipedia). Short explanation: the site is not a trustworthy source of accurate scientific information (this judgment comes from experienced, qualified scientific researchers, not from me). See here (http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/tetrapod-zoology/2012/07/03/world-must-ignore-reptileevolution-com/) for the full explanation.
Title: The Dinosaur Legacy
Post by: Dosu2Dinner on September 09, 2013, 03:26:07 PM
Thanks for your feedback!  :smile

Your ideas are very good - many of the animals you've listed I've never heard of!  :lol: I'll have to research them.

Yeah, I did realise there would be a few chronological inconsistencies!  :rolleyes: I try to make it as accurate as possible, but I still fall down!

Starting with the validity of the various genera, I sort of see it this way - a lot of dinosaur documentaries and whatnot apply these characteristics etc to certain animals with little or no paleontological evidence to back them up. Hypothesising dinosaurs' lives is a pretty cool feature (I am, for example, completely hypothesising parthenogenesis in the Scipionyx in episode 5.
Though if Bruhathkayosaurus does turn out to be petrified wood, I may have taken it a touch far.  :lol I'll consider these matters.

Thanks for your suggestions for replacements for Riojasaurus and Fasalosuchus!  :D That's very helpful.

Sorry for the misspellings.  :oops

And your suggestions are interesting, I'll look into those...

Now, about the idea of having another Triassic episode, I did consider it, but I thought it wasn't overly necessary, as it wouldn't fit into the sort of storyline I've got planned. But I'll consider! I was disappointed I wasn't able to use Liliensternus in episode 1!

And you have convinced me! :D I will post plots for the episodes as soon as I can, though bear in mind they will include the animals I already have planned for the story (though have convinced me to replace a few, also Avimimus for Ingenia.

I also have smaller plans for a series set in the Cenozoic (The Mammalian Legacy) and the Palaeozoic (The Rise of Life) if you want me to work on them?  :lol

In terms of how well I've structured some episodes, I think my proudest works are episodes 3, 7, 9 and 13.

Title: The Dinosaur Legacy
Post by: DarkHououmon on September 09, 2013, 04:51:58 PM
One thing that could help with your idea is All Yesterdays.

http://www.amazon.com/All-Yesterdays-Specu...=All+Yesterdays (http://www.amazon.com/All-Yesterdays-Speculative-Dinosaurs-Prehistoric/dp/1291177124/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1378759828&sr=1-1&keywords=All+Yesterdays)

Far as I know, none of these interpretations are scientifically backed up; the point of them is to look at prehistoric animals in different ways. Just as animal groups today are diverse and varied, so were, perhaps, the dinosaurs. I'm interested in getting the book sometime.

I have taken a crack at interprating a dinosaur in a different way myself. Here's a ceratosaurus I drew, based on a thing I read about them eating fish.

(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u72/Inferdramon/speculativefisherceratosaurus.png)
Title: The Dinosaur Legacy
Post by: Dosu2Dinner on September 11, 2013, 11:32:07 AM
Thanks. :) I have considered many times getting that book, but I don't know if I can afford it at the moment.  :o

Also, one thing I hypothesise a lot is the possibility of dinosaurs engaging in homosexual activity?  :p
Title: The Dinosaur Legacy
Post by: jansenov on September 11, 2013, 03:21:17 PM
^Why would that be unusual in any way? The physiology of dinosaurs, even ornitischians, couldn't have deviated radically from modern birds. A 100 million years of divergence is not a lot of time when it comes to biochemistry of basic life systems.
Title: The Dinosaur Legacy
Post by: Dosu2Dinner on September 21, 2013, 02:57:19 AM
I never considered it unusual.  :lol Dinosaur behaviour is, after all, largely unknown to us. It offers many possibilities.
Title: The Dinosaur Legacy
Post by: Ducky123 on September 21, 2013, 11:20:08 AM
That's true, we don't know anything about their behavior and unless we bring them to life again (whatever way works, I know, unlikely, but a possibility) we never will. I don't think TLBT is really helping since they behave anthropomorphized (Ever seen a talkin' dinosaur? :P:).
But if some DNA has survived, we might discover that :yes