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The Land Before Time => Land Before Time TV Series (2007) => Topic started by: Threehorn on July 19, 2007, 12:37:17 PM

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Post by: Threehorn on July 19, 2007, 12:37:17 PM
Hi everyone I found this out yesturday and it seems that stores be selling a DVD with four episodes.

DVD called: Land Before Time: The Amazing Adventures

How cool is that! I knew they'd be bring it out. I might be able to get myself it before I leave the USA.

I thought I spring this news out to you all :lol

(http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/02/51/95/01/0002519501211_500X500.jpg)
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Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 19, 2007, 12:51:05 PM
Wow.  That's the lamest LBT cover I've ever seen.  I still can't wait for it to come out though.
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Post by: Threehorn on July 19, 2007, 01:01:16 PM
Lame? I really like the cover it unqiue and different to those I seen, I don't have a problem with it but that how I see it, but others see it differently, and still I look forward to getting the DVD :)
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Post by: DarkHououmon on July 19, 2007, 01:07:27 PM
Yeah, I like how the cover looks. How is it possibly lame?
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Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 19, 2007, 01:16:59 PM
Those just don't look like the characters I know and love.  Almost like a babied up version of the land before time.  Seriously, it looks like someone spent 5 minutes drawing it.
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Post by: Threehorn on July 19, 2007, 01:24:45 PM
That no where near 5 minutes... The cover looks great. I like it so that what I am sticking to.

But also think about it, the picture is of them looking down a hole, that takes some doing to get it like that. I have problems with frontly drawing half the time, it very tricky. Trust me on that, I tried and took me almost 3 hours of rubbing out and re-drawing to get a drawing just right even it still looks kind of strange looking for a frontly drawing.

In the end I think this cover was done pretty well :)
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Post by: DarkHououmon on July 19, 2007, 01:42:30 PM
Don't forget, Land Before Time is meant for little children, so of course they are "babied up".

And just from looking at that, you'd know that didn't take five minutes to draw. For instance, such an angle is hard. It isn't like a profile or sideview. Such an angle takes practice, and takes more time than a profile or sideview, if I remember correctly.

Also the coloring itself would have taken many hours, perhaps even days, to do.

If I had to judge, I'd say that cover was sketched, inked, and colored in..altogether 3 days or so. But maybe I'm just exaggerating.

But yeah I agree with Threehorn. It's impossible to create a cover like that, with such a difficult angle, in only 5 minutes.
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Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 19, 2007, 01:44:02 PM
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I tried and took me almost 3 hours of rubbing out and re-drawing to get a drawing just right even it still looks kind of strange looking for a frontly drawing.

Ya gotta remember that they have a $400,000 computer and porgrams you wouldn't even beleive.  No crap it would be really hard to do by hand, but it really isn't as hard as ya think when ya got all the advanced tools and up to date technology.

Heh.  You think photoshop is great?  Times that by a billion and that's what they got at their desposal.
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Post by: DarkHououmon on July 19, 2007, 01:50:23 PM
Even with the most advanced technology, it would still take so much longer than 5 minutes to make that cover, landbeforetimelover. They still have to draw it, by mouse, by tablet, or by pencil. They still gotta color it, using layers and such, and that does still take time.

Such a cover is impossible to produce in just a few minutes, no matter how advanced the technology is.
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Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 19, 2007, 01:55:24 PM
if it really was that hard to make one frame, there's no way that they could get a tv ep done in a week.  In 1 tv ep, there's 64,386 frames, which translates into that many pictures they gotta make.  There's only what, 2 artists in the LBT sequals?  I'm sure there's the same amount of atrists in the tv series.  That's why they rush them and they don't turn out so good.  but still, there's no way that they would take 3 days to make a frame.  that'd be about 190,000 days which translates into about 521 years to make a tv ep.
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Post by: Threehorn on July 19, 2007, 01:57:11 PM
I have to agree with you there. it takes my sister over a hour even more to draw her free hand drawings on Flash alone. And they turn out mind blowingly good.

THis cover I think it cool still. no matter how long it took.
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Post by: DarkHououmon on July 19, 2007, 01:59:29 PM
You are forgetting that the box is not a frame, plus it has shadows and lighting effects, of which make it take a longer time. For an animation frame, with the characters, there is no shading or lighting effects put on them, therefore don't take as long to color.

I'm referring to just the characters, not the background, btw.

Not to mention they have a lot of people working on the animation itself. With so much help, of course they are able to accomplish an episode in about a week or so. If it was just one person, yeah it would be impossible. But we're talking about many animators, who knows how many they have working on the LBT episodes. And just about as many working on coloring. The whole thing is a collaboration.
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Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 19, 2007, 02:02:37 PM
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You are forgetting that the box is not a frame, plus it has shadows and lighting effects, of which make it take a longer time. For an animation frame, with the characters, there is no shading or lighting effects put on them, therefore don't take as long to color.

Not to mention they have a lot of people working on the animation itself. With so much help, of course they are able to accomplish an episode in about a week or so. If it was just one person, yeah it would be impossible. But we're talking about many animators, who knows how many they have working on the LBT episodes. And just about as many working on coloring. The whole thing is a collaboration.

If there's no shading in the other pics, they wouldn't look right.  I assure you that this cover took no more work than a single frame.  The idea for the cover probably took a long time to come up with though.  I think the LBT sequals had only 2 artists.  There would have to be hundreds of thousands of animators to make one of these in a week if it acutally took 3 days to make 1 shot.
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Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 19, 2007, 02:06:57 PM
You don't call this character shading?


(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa146/tlordame/ducky.jpg)
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Post by: DarkHououmon on July 19, 2007, 02:10:10 PM
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If there's no shading in the other pics, they wouldn't look right. I assure you that this cover took no more work than a single frame. The idea for the cover probably took a long time to come up with though. I think the LBT sequals had only 2 artists. There would have to be hundreds of thousands of animators to make one of these in a week if it acutally took 3 days to make 1 shot.

Yes it would have taken some time to come up with the cover, but in no way would it take 5 minutes to complete it.

So why do you think it would have taken thousands of animators? I don't think it would have taken nowhere near that many.

2 artists? I disagree. A studio hires a lot more than just 2 artists.

However, I still say there is no way that cover could have taken 5 minutes. It's just impossible. If it took 5 minutes, it would look very sloppy, no coloring in the lines, very bad shadowing, if any at all, and just be a complete mess. No, this cover definitely took much longer to make.
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Post by: DarkHououmon on July 19, 2007, 02:12:23 PM
You sure that's from a LBT episode? That looks like from the movies.

And anyway I was speaking from the episodes I recall seeing which had no shading that I could really notice. Now could they have shaded the series and still be released in time? Yes, I do not doubt that.


I spoke with a friend of mine and it appears I had gotten the time wrong. An episode takes about 6 weeks, not just 2 weeks. So I hope that makes more sense.
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Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 19, 2007, 02:15:36 PM
according to my calculations, if 5 minutes was spent on every frame, it would take 234 days to make a tv ep.  This is irrational.  They obviously have some sort of advanced technology beyond our comprehension.
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Post by: DarkHououmon on July 19, 2007, 02:19:08 PM
It definitely doesn't take that long to make one episode.

I've seen behind the scenes of many animated movies, and seen many of the technologies they use to produce a movie.

But even with the most advanced technology, a cover would take longer than 5 minutes to produce. I know what I'm talking about.

If you really think it only took 5 minutes to make the cover, why don't you try reproducing it yourself? Try drawing it and coloring it yourself.
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Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 19, 2007, 02:22:47 PM
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Then you got your calculations wrong. It definitely doesn't take almost a year to produce an episode

My calculations are 100% accurate.  I would take this long if all the frames were done by hand.  there must be a program that'll manipulate already drawn images in a snap or something.


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If you really think it only took 5 minutes to make the cover, why don't you try reproducing it yourself? Try drawing it and coloring it yourself.

well, one, I'm not good at coming up with original ideas and 2, I don't have their advanced technology.  I mean honestly guys, do you think that Universal, a billion dollar company is using standard technology you can pick up at your local walmart?
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Post by: DarkHououmon on July 19, 2007, 02:25:42 PM
I can tell you right now, even with their most advanced technology, a cover like that would not take five minutes. The sketching, the drawing, the inking..impossible in five minutes, no matter what program they are using. It's not like they have a program that automatically inks and automatically colors, in just a minute or so. It would take much longer.
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Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 19, 2007, 02:30:44 PM
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I  can tell you right now, even with their most advanced technology, a cover like that would not take five minutes. The sketching, the drawing, the inking..impossible in five minutes, no matter what program they are using. It's not like they have a program that automatically inks and automatically colors, in just a minute or so. It would take much longer


You have no idea the capabilities of these programs do you?  If you've used photoshop (which I'm sure very few of you have), it can do just about anything.  I could turn 1 drawn image into a bunch of images and make a little movie out of it.  And photoshop's a nothing program.  I can't even imagine what their programs are capable of.  I'll bet there are only around 2000 drawn images out of the 64,000 that are used.  I'm not kidding.  Technology is the largest factor in creating these tv eps.
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Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 19, 2007, 02:33:20 PM
Also, theres a program out there that will automatically shade and color images for you.  It's about $1200, but Universal has something far better, I assure you.
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Post by: DarkHououmon on July 19, 2007, 02:36:36 PM
:: shrug :: Whatever.
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Post by: DarkHououmon on July 19, 2007, 02:39:44 PM
I know that cover did not take 5 minutes to produce. 5 minutes is not enough time to draw that and to color that. Oh they can have the most advanced technology, but when it comes straight down to it, there is no way a cover can be produced in 5 minutes. That's just too little time.
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Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 19, 2007, 02:41:36 PM
all they had to do was a very rough sketch.  the program colors it, shades it, and corrects any lines that arn't just right.  I'm telling ya.  5 minutes.  Tops.
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Post by: DarkHououmon on July 19, 2007, 02:43:14 PM
Nope, not five minutes. Definitely longer.
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Post by: DarkHououmon on July 19, 2007, 02:44:15 PM
And a rough sketch of that alone would take longer than five minutes. They use shapes in animation. Once the shapes are down, they have to draw the characters themselves.
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Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 19, 2007, 02:52:09 PM
these artists are fast and precise.  I'm telling you.  5 minutes for the sketch, and maybe 15 minutes for all the computer effects.  Of course the design took some time too.  I'm just talking about the rough drawing.


You ever seen a pro atrist go at it?  It might take him a minute to draw a perfect dog life size with no coloring or shading.  That's obsolete.  The program colors and shades.  That's how they get it done so fast.
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Post by: DarkHououmon on July 19, 2007, 02:55:21 PM
Continue to think what you want, landbeforetimelover. But nothing you say will convince me otherwise.
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Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 19, 2007, 03:02:40 PM
how do you explain them getting almost 100,000 frames done per day then?  There's no way to do it if they were all drawn by hand or unless you had thousands of artists.
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Post by: Keni on July 19, 2007, 03:03:27 PM
A sketch takes longer than 5 minutes. One time I went to Disney and there were professional artists (And I mean professional artists who can draw Disney characters identical to their original sketches from original artists) and it definetly takes them more than 5 minutes to sketch a full body character. I know, I watched one of them draw Donald Duck in full body and detail, I went around looking the store and when I came back about 10 minutes or so later the artist was still drawing on the same character, finishing up the legs and starting with the background. 5 minutes is enough to get a character face done in good detail, but it definetly takes longer then that to draw up that DVD cover even in simple sketch.

Universal's coloring and shading programs aren't as better as the one we can obtain like Photoshop CS2, Paint Shop Pro, you name it. These programs are extremely expensive for a reason. You can find them but it'll be tough to buy them due to their high price. So if an artist can draw a great picture and color it like this DVD cover in about a week with these kind of high quality programs, what makes Universal different that would take even less time than this to make their pictures and covers?

A possibility of a picture like this taking little time to create would be a team of about 10 people sketching respective parts of the cover and then stacking them in frames for the final piece, but even then they would have to scan it all together and then color it. By then those 5 minutes would've been long gone.
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Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 19, 2007, 03:05:24 PM
there is no way to get one of these tv eps done in a week unless you have thousands of artists or very expensive programs.  Photoshop isn't that expensive.  Only around $450 now.
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Post by: DarkHououmon on July 19, 2007, 03:05:51 PM
I completely agree with Keni.
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Post by: DarkHououmon on July 19, 2007, 03:07:03 PM
The newer Photoshops are over a thousand dollars, actually. I've seen some priced at $4,000.. $6,000 even if I recall correctly. I'll have to doublecheck.

EDIT: No wait, nevermind. I misread the price. ^^;
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Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 19, 2007, 03:08:10 PM
if you had 10 people drawing those 64000 frames 24/7 it would take over 50 years to get it done.  All this is not done by hand.  Only a small fraction of these sketches are hand drawn.  the rest is up to the computers.


this is assuming that each sketch took 3 days to complete.
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Post by: DarkHououmon on July 19, 2007, 03:11:27 PM
How would you even know that? Have you gone into the studios yourself?

The newest Photoshop costs around 700 dollars. Not a large number of everyday people can afford that. But Universal, like you said, would use the more advanced technology, so they would have to get Photoshop Extended, which costs close to $1,000.

And $1,000 is definitely not an easy sum to come up with and spend for one program. Universal could easily pay for it, but not for everyone.
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Post by: Keni on July 19, 2007, 03:12:52 PM
Episodes aren't done as fast as you think. Animated TV episodes are started YEARS before they even announce and/or air it. When the series premiers there are usually 10-30 episodes already done so they won't put the series on hatius. If they premier episodes as they are done we would usually have a six month waiting time for the new episodes, maybe even up to a year.

These days animation are colored by computer, so yes that may take some hours off their schedule when colored by hand.
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Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 19, 2007, 03:19:29 PM
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How would you even know that? Have you gone into the studios yourself?

It's called math.  3 days per image times 64000 = 192000 days.  Devide by 365 to get years.  526 years.  That's with 1 artist.  with 10 artists, it would be 52.6 years.  100 artists 5.26 years.  with 1000 artists is 6.312months.  10,000 artists is 18 days.  it gets lower and lower but they have to pay these artists a lot of money.  Universal doesn't have the money to pay 10000 artists.  that would cost too much to make a profit off a tv ep.  


all this is based on the assumption that it took 3 days to draw each frame.
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Post by: Petrie. on July 19, 2007, 03:24:35 PM
^ You also assume all artists do the same task at the same rate.  Last I checked an in-betweener was not necessarily an expert in backgrounds and vice-versa. Too many variables.


Also, why only four episodes per dvd release?  A full 13 could fit on a double sided dual layer disc and its not going to suffer severe quality loss.  Wonder what gives, Universal???
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Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 19, 2007, 03:25:46 PM
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Also, why only four episodes? A full 13 could fit on a double sided dual layer disc.

why do you think?  More money!
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Post by: Petrie. on July 19, 2007, 03:26:52 PM
^ Then you know the franchise is in trouble when they have to do that for money.
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Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 19, 2007, 03:28:06 PM
that's all these big companies care about.  don't worry about it.  happens to all of them.  they're just too money hungry to think of anything else.
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Post by: Malte279 on July 19, 2007, 03:32:19 PM
We may not see all episodes on DvD :(
Several Disney TV series saw only a limited and randomly picked selection of a few episodes ever brought to video respectively DvD. Considering the fact that we didn't know whether or not there would be any DvD at all this still is a "step in the right direction". Thank you Threehorn for sharing that information with us.
I'm especially interested now to know whether or not there will be DvD releases in other countries and in other languages as well.
As for the cover, I suppose it could have been made better, but it could have been made worse as well. I miss Ducky, Petrie, and Spike and I do not agree that babying up the characters is a necessity (they never did in the early sequels).
Nevertheless I didn't find this cover as bad as that of LBT 11 for example. Also we must take into account that the creators of that cover didn't have one story to which the cover was to refer but they had to come up with something more general, so the basic selection of the motive meets that requirement.
Whatever your opinion on the cover, there is no need to get too agitated about it I suppose.
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Post by: The Great Valley Guardian on July 19, 2007, 03:33:10 PM
Only four episodes? FOUR!?!? This must be a money making scheme, but it is Universal...so I think they can get away with it!
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Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 19, 2007, 03:35:56 PM
I got all the tv eps on DVD!  I put all the full quality ones on several disks and encoded them in PAL format.  they can now play in just about any dvd player.  they have subtitles that I programmed myself and they have the scene selection menu which I also made.  I still want these on an original DVD though.
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Post by: Petrie. on July 19, 2007, 03:41:11 PM
Disney's not being stupid and releasing four episodes per DVD of Ducktales or any of their older Disney Afternoon TV Series.  They're doing about 25 episodes per set.  Does this make Disney less money hungry than Universal?
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Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 19, 2007, 03:42:37 PM
I dunno.  If these dvd's are gonna be $3, then it doesn't really matter but I don't wanna pay $25 for 4 eps!  thats insane!!! :o
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Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 19, 2007, 03:43:15 PM
disregard
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Post by: Petrie. on July 19, 2007, 03:46:21 PM
Quote from: landbeforetimelover,Jul 19 2007 on  02:42 PM
I dunno.  If these dvd's are gonna be $3, then it doesn't really matter but I don't wanna pay $25 for 4 eps!  thats insane!!! :o
I'd expect around $10...not bad but certainly not great considering $25 can get you 25 episodes of stuff from the Disney afternoon, and that stuff was far more popular.
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Post by: The Great Valley Guardian on July 19, 2007, 03:55:38 PM
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but certainly not great considering $25 can get you 25 episodes of stuff from the Disney afternoon, and that stuff was far more popular.


You do have a point Petrie, the Disney afternoon shows were very popular back in the day!
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Post by: DarkHououmon on July 19, 2007, 04:04:49 PM
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^ You also assume all artists do the same task at the same rate. Last I checked an in-betweener was not necessarily an expert in backgrounds and vice-versa. Too many variables.

I agree. With so many variables, it would be impossible to accurately calculate how long it would take animators and artists to accomplish these kinds of things, wouldn't it?


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As for the cover, I suppose it could have been made better, but it could have been made worse as well.

Agreed.
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Post by: Ratiasu on July 19, 2007, 04:22:10 PM
That DVD cover kind of scares me.
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Post by: DarkHououmon on July 19, 2007, 04:24:07 PM
It does? Why?
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Post by: Ratiasu on July 19, 2007, 04:45:48 PM
Quote from: DarkHououmon,Jul 19 2007 on  03:24 PM
It does? Why?
I think it's because of the fact that, to me, they're all smiling and being exuberant, plus it seems as if the viewer has fallen into a small hole.

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The clouds look weirdly horizontal, as opposed to the vertical viewpoint of the characters, which would mean that the gang is standing on a wall, or else Ruby is floating. The hole actually looks like the inside of a tree, which might mean that the viewer is actually something small looking up through a hole in a log on the ground, but that wouldn't explain the...oh, oh, I should stop thinking about this, shouldn't I?

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I am glad that they're actually releasing the TV episodes on a DVD, but more, in order, with special features and not just those boring games and character profiles they give to us on the movie DVDs, would be much more appreciated.
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Post by: action9000 on July 19, 2007, 05:36:24 PM
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but I don't wanna pay $25 for 4 eps!
I'm actually very surprised they're only releasing 4 episodes at a time.  Most TV series' release the entire season as a set of DVDs, not 4 or 5 episodes at a time.  This is a little odd but we'll see what happens in the future.
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Post by: Manny Cav on July 19, 2007, 06:27:58 PM
I wonder what the 4 episodes are... I'm probably not interested, given that I have all of the original US released episodes on recorded VHS.

If they charge $25 for that, nobody with half a brain will buy it (unless they have never seen the episodes and they really want to see them; I might actually do it, if that were the case). I paid, like, around $25 or $30 on eBay for a VHS package. It included the first 4 LBT movies, a live-action Caspar movie, The Indian and The Cupboard, and Jumanji. What a bargain.

Of course, they wouldn't dare do that. I imagine it will probably be $15.
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Post by: Threehorn on July 19, 2007, 09:33:45 PM
With most DVDs with cartoons that first brought out they bring them out in parts so it most likely volumne one then they will bring out sometime later a second then thrid and so on.

Also could we stop augring about the cover. it just a DVD cover that about it, for that it doesn't matter how long it takes and at the end they chose that and thats how it is. Nothing can change it now. They displayed and now finalised for Augest realise.

Other then that I look forward to getting this DVD for my personally collection :D
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Post by: NewOrder on July 20, 2007, 08:41:03 AM
This might end up being very expensive. Why don't they just through out a box with all the episodes?

We all knew the series would eventually come out in DVD, but I never thought it would be so soon.
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Post by: Threehorn on July 20, 2007, 08:42:57 AM
I ususally get them this way around, I can't be bothered to wait for a year for a DVD box set to come out. :lol
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Post by: Malte279 on July 20, 2007, 11:05:53 AM
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We all knew the series would eventually come out in DVD, but I never thought it would be so soon.
Did we know this? Thank you for telling me ;)
We still don't know though whether or not there will be any translations of the series.
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Post by: Ptyra on July 20, 2007, 12:34:52 PM
Woah...a DVD! I didn't see that coming!

Oh yeah, we get a DVD for LBT (which is great!) but do we get one for the Animals of Farthing Wood? Nooooo  <_< !

Anyhoo, I think I'd like to see a DVD.
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Post by: NewOrder on July 20, 2007, 05:07:59 PM
You didn't know Malte? It was on the land before time official website, I thought everyone knew.
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Post by: Manny Cav on July 20, 2007, 05:37:53 PM
I noticed it a few days ago on Wikipedia (with sources cited).
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Post by: Malte279 on July 20, 2007, 06:26:03 PM
I must admit I haven't checked the page carefully for a while.
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Post by: Petrie. on July 21, 2007, 11:01:12 PM
Release date: August 28, 2007

http://www.amazon.com/Land-Before-Time-Ama...5073154&sr=1-18 (http://www.amazon.com/Land-Before-Time-Amazing-Adventures/dp/B000R8YC2W/ref=sr_1_18/103-0162146-2747867?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1185073154&sr=1-18)
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Post by: pokeplayer984 on July 22, 2007, 01:40:44 AM
*sighs* To be honest, I would like to have all the episodes on a multipack set rather than a few eps at a time.  In fact, that's what I was expecting when I first heard the eps were coming to DVD. :)
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Post by: landbeforetimelover on July 22, 2007, 06:41:33 AM
That's the dumbest thing I've ever seen!  There's no way in *beep* I'm gonna pay $16 for 4 eps.  Not gonna happen.  Sorry universal!  You ain't getting my money! :p
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Post by: Petrie. on July 22, 2007, 07:20:37 AM
Just to do a little price comparison with other cartoons out there:

Land Before Time Amazing Adventures, $15.98, 91 minutes
Garfield and Friends Vol. 1, $26.99, 576 minutes
Ducktails Vol. 1, $24.99, 618 minutes
Chip 'n' Dale Rescue Rangers Vol. 1, $24.99, 614 minutes
Care Bears Adventures in Care-a-lot, $9.99, 88 minutes
Inspector Gadget the Original Series, $29.99, 660 minutes

You tell me what's wrong with this picture; you've got series with a far larger fanbase (or a fanbase that is willing to purchase the set to relive memories) from studios that are putting 20+ episodes on about three discs and selling them for $25 or almost $1 per episode.  Does Universal really think people will spend $3.99 per episode for far less??? :rolleyes:  They're desperate I tell you.  I applaud Disney, Fox, and whoever else is doing the right thing and releasing real box sets with real value. :)  Universal should just wait and release the whole season at once with a price that's in line with the competition (i.e. less than $20 for less time).
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Post by: Threehorn on July 22, 2007, 09:43:39 AM
Ducktails and most of those films are very old carton series that not been out on TV for years and years and year... as I go on. THe price of a classic would be around that price line. It makes no real suprise to me. I seen lots of them doing it. But you'd need to remember LBT TV Series still got some to show at YTV in Canada so the episodes are not all out yet. This is how they work with a Sci-Fi called DOctor Who in the UK, while the seasons still running they release about the first 3 of them on DVD and then every month or so they bring out another and another.

So Land Before Time TV Series being released on DVD will only have 4 epsiodes out at first. Then they will move on to release the others stage by stage. it be roughly a year or two before they let out a complete series pack. That how I figured out they work with the episodes of popular viewed programs. even Cartoonnetwork restricted them to the Weekend now it was funny enough getting very high viewings.
Title: Coming to DVD
Post by: Petrie. on July 22, 2007, 09:53:51 AM
Age is a nonfactor, Wayne.  People know a bad deal when they see one.  A small section of a TV series season for $16 is a bad deal.  TV series are a substantial purchase for consumers considering multiple seasons at $25 a pop.  Consumers will plan carefully which they will buy, and if they have to spend upwards of $50 for a 13-episode season of LBT, I can guarantee that's on the back burner or rather, it won't be done at all when there are other cartoon shows that get the DVD treatment with a far better value to boot.  Maybe you can justify that price tag of $16 for so little, but I certainly cannot.  My point is, Universal is going about it the wrong way when the competition is offering so much more, even if the cartoons are older, they still cater to the same demographic.
Title: Coming to DVD
Post by: Threehorn on July 22, 2007, 01:12:00 PM
Well $16 is cheep to me any how. It about 8 to 9 pounds in UK money.
Title: Coming to DVD
Post by: Manny Cav on July 22, 2007, 01:48:18 PM
I still ain't getting it -- unless it has "March of the Sand Creepers." :lol
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Post by: Sky on July 26, 2007, 12:42:24 PM
I hope they put the episodes in the correct order.  <_<

About the cover:
If you don't like it, make yourself one.   :D
Title: Coming to DVD
Post by: NewOrder on July 26, 2007, 05:56:42 PM
I don't really care about the DVD release I already have most of the episodes on my PC, I'd just like to own it, expecialy if it has language options.
Title: Coming to DVD
Post by: Unknown Person on July 27, 2007, 02:01:27 AM
Quote from: landbeforetimelover,Jul 19 2007 on  01:30 PM
You have no idea the capabilities of these programs do you?  If you've used photoshop (which I'm sure very few of you have), it can do just about anything.  I could turn 1 drawn image into a bunch of images and make a little movie out of it.  And photoshop's a nothing program.  I can't even imagine what their programs are capable of.  I'll bet there are only around 2000 drawn images out of the 64,000 that are used.  I'm not kidding.  Technology is the largest factor in creating these tv eps.

You must understand, landbeforetimelover, that before they started using technology for the TV episodes and the movies (Pre-LBT 7), they all drew all the frames by hand.  You are correct in that they would not be able dwell in a single frame for too long, since it would take years to complete a full movie, but artists don't draw the whole frame you see.  You cannot treat a frame in the same way as a detailed picture, they simply don't compare to each other in the development.

In the TV series, you noticed that they had computer-generated scenes of the dinosaurs walking.  You also probably noticed how ugly they looked.  Sure, they could make the whole series like that and spend around half a week or less on an episode, but it would not look as good, and it would ruin the whole point of a cartoon.  Cartoons looks better than that.  I personally believe even the soft shading techniques used in the newer LBT 10 (though I didn't notice it as much in LBT 12) looks much worse than the classic LBTs (6 and below), because it has so much of a more animated cartoon feel to it, and they sure spent a lot of quality time on it.

Before they used technology, animations were done by first an animator drawing a background for these scenes.  You probably would notice that a ton of backgrounds go into a movie, however you would also notice that most of them are re-used.  The dynamic objects, such as boulders and characters are the tricker part.  They are also drawn separate from the background, and are also drawn individually.  However, they still reuse these "cels" quite a bit.  If you noticed in the first Land Before Time movie, when Littlefoot's grandparents and Ducky's parents are eating leaves in the beginning of the movie, they are reused once again right before the ending credits.  This saves a heck of a long time, since at that time they were producing movies every two years.

With the help of computers, the process would seem to be much faster, but they would still have to draw the pictures by hand in a sort of way before letting the computers colour it and place it in the animations.  The point is that computers do not make the work any faster than it was, it just made it easier, and you cannot treat a picture that an artist would draw in a front cover to a frame in a movie.  A picture would obviously take much more time since there is no basis from a previously drawn background and other character animations to be reused from.  And to take the LBT TV series DVD cover to an example, they probably never actually took any of the images you see on the cover from a TV episode.  They simply would not spend any less time than something the viewer would see on a DVD cover for minutes than glance at for a split second of a frame.
Title: Coming to DVD
Post by: Stitch on August 09, 2007, 01:35:51 PM
Here are the episodes for volume one, straight from the official website:

Cave of Many Voices

Canyon of the Shiny Stones

Meadow of Jumping Water

Spooky Nighttime Adventure


Hopefully volume two comes out pretty soon.
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Post by: Manny Cav on August 09, 2007, 01:39:51 PM
A very odd list. It looks like instead of doing a particular order, they just drew random episodes out of a hat or something.

I do wonder how The Spooky Nighttime Adventure got on that list. That episode hasn't even aired in the US yet....
Title: Coming to DVD
Post by: Threehorn on August 09, 2007, 02:36:41 PM
Well sometimes episodes don't have to air to be put on volumes on DVDs they done that with some other programs that I watched so often then when I get a DVD that episode I see on the DVD not even been aired on TV at all. But it has been aired on Canada as well and maybe that they want to get big sales so they put on episodes that kids never seen so they will go 'I want I want' and parients buy.
Title: Coming to DVD
Post by: landbeforetimelover on August 09, 2007, 02:53:43 PM
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I do wonder how The Spooky Nighttime Adventure got on that list. That episode hasn't even aired in the US yet....

Hehe.  That was one of my favorite eps.  I still think it's a ripoff though and I'm not gonna buy them.
Title: Coming to DVD
Post by: The Great Valley Guardian on August 09, 2007, 02:56:33 PM
Neither will I....I'll just watch them on YouTube or download them from your website LBTlover! :D
Title: Coming to DVD
Post by: Manny Cav on August 09, 2007, 04:01:34 PM
Quote from: Threehorn,Aug 9 2007 on  01:36 PM
...and maybe that they want to get big sales so they put on episodes that kids never seen so they will go 'I want I want' and parients buy.
There's the answer to the question that was never asked.
Title: Coming to DVD
Post by: Unknown Person on August 09, 2007, 05:53:01 PM
I'll probably still buy it when it comes out just to have it, but I'd much rather prefer if they made a boxed set of all the episodes.
Title: Coming to DVD
Post by: Manny Cav on September 14, 2007, 10:11:41 PM
Here's Manny to bump another thread in style. :D

I just saw this at Wal-Mart today for $11.86, which amounts to $2.97 an episode (the list on the DVD concurred with the given four episodes). Not $16, but I'm sill not going to get it.
Title: Coming to DVD
Post by: Stitch on September 15, 2007, 12:07:24 AM
I actually paid 8 and change thanks to both Walmart's liberal price-matching policy and a 2.00 manufacturer's coupon.  I think 2.00 an episode is worth it.
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Post by: Petrie. on September 15, 2007, 09:24:13 AM
Who was originally selling it for $8?  WalMart will match anything, but so will other big box stores if you can prove to them you can pay less for it somewhere else.  The only Wally World around here is in such a congested area I stay far away from it.

$2.00 an episode still seems high considering other deals out there I've mentioned before.   A lot of the diminishing return will depend on how well you like the tv series too.
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Post by: Stitch on September 15, 2007, 11:38:10 AM
It was actually a 10.00 best buy online price, plus a 2.00 coupon I got when I bought #12.
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Post by: Threehorn on September 15, 2007, 02:43:48 PM
Land before time (TV Series) DVD (http://www.tesco.com/entertainment/product.aspx?R=806150&bci=6|DVD)

Play.com UK site (Land Before Time TV Series DVD) (http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/3476724/The-Land-Before-Time-The-Series/Product.html)

This link I just found on Tesco DVD page when looking up Land Before Time, The one that just been out in the states is coming out in the UK on the 22nd of October this year.

£10 is the selling price for it but it seems the UK is really catching up on the USA if they realising the TV Series DVD in such a short time after the US release of it
Title: Coming to DVD
Post by: Teresa on September 15, 2007, 03:53:07 PM
Quote from: Threehorn,Sep 15 2007 on  01:43 PM
Play.com UK site (Land Before Time TV Series DVD) (http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/3476724/The-Land-Before-Time-The-Series/Product.html)
WOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! That's were i'll be buying it from.  :D
Title: Coming to DVD
Post by: Stitch on September 24, 2007, 11:26:23 PM
Don't get too comfortable with volume 1.  Volume two is coming out in mid-november.  Here's a link:

Good Times and Good Friends (http://homevideo.universalstudios.com/details.php?childId=37077)
Title: Coming to DVD
Post by: Manny Cav on September 24, 2007, 11:36:30 PM
You've got to be kidding me. I'm not going to pay $13 a DVD for 4 episodes each to get all of the episodes. Unless it has "March of the Sand Creepers". Then, I might get it.
Title: Coming to DVD
Post by: Petrie. on September 25, 2007, 06:50:54 AM
1 hour and 30 minutes might actually be five episodes at about 22 minutes each.  The extra eight in a half hour slot usually go to commercials.  Deal's just as lousy as the first, but I suspect there's five on that disc.