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General Land Before Time / If you could change one thing in LBT
« on: December 20, 2014, 03:50:06 PM »
This could be anything, but it can only be ONE thing.  It can be a big thing even going so far as to have NO songs in any of the movies or the TV series and have the sequels and stuff be like the original, but it has to be one thing.

This could be
  • Petrie being a fish eater instead of a leaf eater
  • Chomper being a leaf eater instead
  • Topps being really tolerant
  • Petrie being brave instead of being a coward
  • Spike talking regularly
  • Chomper being bad instead of good
  • Sharptooth surviving the end of the first movie
  • Ozzy and Strut dying
  • Dil actually eats Ichy
  • Bron is never introduced
  • Littlefoot's mother survives
  • one of the main characters dies
  • Pterano stays bad
  • Petrie has a father shown
  • Ducky's father talks
  • Littlefoot being abducted by Rainbow Face aliens
  • The Stone of Cold Fire actually having powers with it
  • Ducky not using "Yep yep yep" or "No, no no".
  • Petrie actually would talk in regular English
  • Cera actually being a coward who likes to hide a lot

among other things.

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Land Before Time TV Series (2007) / are you happy with the TV series?
« on: December 20, 2014, 02:09:22 PM »
Quote from: Malte279,Dec 20 2014 on  06:26 AM
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As to that, I believe that is much less sinister. Likely Chomper did something to offend Red Claw and had to run for it. I doubt his parents are dead.
This however would suggest that Chomper doesn't see his parents (two adult sharptooth) as capable to protect him from Redclaw. You already answered to that problem by suggesting for Redclaw to be actually in comand of a much larger pack of Screech and Thud type sharpteeth. However, I don't think it would make much sense for too many sharpteeth to team up like that. Many fans in their fanfictions write about sharpteeth forming huge armies to destroy or to kill everyone.
I don't like such scenarios and don't see them as plausible. All the sharpteeth want is to eat. They wouldn't benefit at all from indifferentiated killing or from teaming up in groups too large to be supported easily by what "food" is around.
As for Chomper's saving Thud, in my story Screech and Thud wouldn't be around Redclaw by the time he kills Chomper's parents (who are protecting Ruby while Chomper himself is not around by that time). This fight (and a later "contribution" by Chomper) would leave the hitherto unnamed redclaw with the scar over his eye and the namesake red claw. Not only would this give an actual motive for Red Claw to go after Chomper, but it might also explain why a hitherto lone sharptooth (feared even by his specimen for his aggressivity) would decide to accept / force into obedience Thud and Screech as his swift eyes and ears and (as you suggested) "bodyguard" in the aftermath of an injury that made him realize he is not invulnerabe.
Ruby's role may be quite significant for Chomper's development. In my story (the beginning of which would be shortly after LBT 2 while the arc of the trilogy would span to the beginning of the TV series) Ruby is actually the one to teach Chomper "leafeater language" (which I don't expect he could have learned within the few first hours after his birth) and in the process of this teaching she might also start her habbit of repeating things in different word orders as a kind of teaching / learning game.
Ruby is an omnivore and could probably eat eggs too. In a later part of the story I have in mind this allows for her to interact with Ozzy and Strut (two villains I'd really like to see again) as a kind of "double agent" (trying to protect Chomper while pretending to be just another omnivore).
I also think Chomper would be really hateful of Red Claw is Red Claw had killed his parents.  

Anyway, we still don't even know WHY he'd go after Chomper or his parents.  Sharpteeth normally leave each other alone.  Usually they'd have to fight over food, or, in the case of Chomper and his parents and the evil Sharptooth on the island, it would be protecting family members.  


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General Land Before Time / What would you like to see in future releases?
« on: December 20, 2014, 02:38:47 AM »
Another scenario that I'd like to see is what would ever happen is, if Chomper, who may have been told that his egg was in the Mysterious Beyond and finds out from Littlefoot one day that they found his egg in the Mysterious Beyond, and Chomper, hearing the story, concludes that he was never in danger from Ozzy and Strut, at least his egg wasn't, and that Littlefoot & Co. kidnapped him, albeit by accident, and that they needn't have raised him and that, as far as the whole "saved him from egg stealers" thing, he owes them NOTHING.  


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Land Before Time TV Series (2007) / are you happy with the TV series?
« on: December 20, 2014, 02:28:50 AM »
Quote from: Bruton the Iguanodon (again),Dec 20 2014 on  12:41 AM
Quote from: Malte279,Dec 19 2014 on  09:17 PM
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What is even more shocking is that Chomper never even mentions what type his friends are (they could be fellow Sharpteeth for all they knew), yet they still said they wanted them to be dessert.
Holy shit...I was just thinking about that scene the other day and realized exactly that.  :wow

I think it would be interesting if they were brought back. I remember thinking when I first rediscovered LBT in the spring of 2011 how useful they could be to the residents of the great valley...but I'm starting to think now that maybe re-antagonizing them would be a more interesting idea!  :smile
That seems kinda dark there.  There is one HUGE problem with that.  If they hunt Littlefoot again, will Chomper fight them or will he just step aside and watch, or God forbid, join in?

Also, another thing I realized too is that Ruby can speak and understand Sharptooth, even if she never directly done in the TV series, yet, but, as Chomper's parents only seem to understand Sharptooth and not leaf eater, I don't see how she could have promised them anything if she spoke to them in Leaf Eater.  

And, the fact that they didn't find Ruby as "dessert" gives me hope that they have indeed changed for the better.

(Speaking of Ruby, you don't think she secretly might eat other dinosaurs too?  She eats clams.)  


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General Land Before Time / What would you like to see in future releases?
« on: December 20, 2014, 02:09:04 AM »
Quote from: thelonedinosaur27,Dec 20 2014 on  12:37 AM
Some things I think would be cool to see in future LBTs:

. Ali returning

. The lone dinosaur revealing more of his past

. Spike learning to talk

. A flash forward to the gang of five (and chomper) as adults, and how their lives ended up.

. Pterano returning from exile

. New species of dinos not seen in the series

. Going back to the mysterious island (Like what happened in 'LOST')

. Spike seeking answers about what happened to his parents (The Big freeze characters weren't actually his family, if I recall correctly.)

. Cera loses the attitude


These are some things I can think of off the top of my head at the moment.
Personally, I know you might think less of me for this, but, I'd also like to see Littlefoot actually get punished, and not just scolded, for breaking the rules.  He might turn out bad, one would think, if this pattern continues.  

As for Pterano, I'd like him to stay good and be a father figure to Petrie, as Petrie is missing one.  At the very least, I wanna know what happened to Papa Flyer.

Also, I'd like to see Rinkus and Sierra, particularly the latter, come back.  Sierra was the best villain since Sharptooth!  

 :exactly

Another idea I thought of was to have it be revealed that Red Claw and Sharptooth are brothers, giving Littlefoot a personal reason to want to bring Red Claw down and also give Red Claw a personal reason to want to kill Littlefoot & co.  

As for Ali coming back....  
 

 :celebrate


We'd all like to see Spike learn to talk, but, personally I think it's part of his trademark just like the "Yep, yep, yep." thing is Ducky's and the talking in broken English is Petrie's and so urge you to not get your hopes up.

Another thing that would be fun to see is a Sharptooth/Leafeater hybrid (the possibility most possible if it was between, say, a Pteranodon and a Sharptooth flyer, and have the character be unsure which side to take.  

Another thing I wanna see is  more female villains, as Dil seems to be the sole one even after many movies since IV and the TV series.  (Mama Sharptooth doesn't count as she befriended Littlefoot & co.)  

Also, more omnivore characters would be great too.  (Good or bad)

As for them when they are adults, I'd save that for the finale of the LBT series.  (I'd like a 2 part finale though.)  I have one that includes the Gang of Five, plus Chomper, Ruby, and Ali, Rhett, and Shorty.  

Yes, we'd all like to see Cera lose the attitude, though, personally, I want that DOUBLY for her father.  (He needs it more and is probably the reason Cera has hers.)  

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Land Before Time TV Series (2007) / are you happy with the TV series?
« on: December 19, 2014, 11:33:50 PM »
Quote from: Malte279,Dec 19 2014 on  09:17 PM
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What is even more shocking is that Chomper never even mentions what type his friends are (they could be fellow Sharpteeth for all they knew), yet they still said they wanted them to be dessert. I was actually most shocked at that reply of Chomper's parents and wonder why they didn't try and eat Ruby.
Excellent observation! :yes
I don't think anyone has ever pointed out that one, but indeed that is remarkeable.
About the premisses for the start of the TV series we can only speculate. LBT V suggests that the island is problematic (not much to eat) for the sharpteeth, so they would probably have to leave before long. This would either suggest another natural disaster opening up the way to the island at least temporarilly (had that one as withdrawing water prior to a tsunami in one fanfiction) or a more complex plot allowing for at least Chomper to leave the island. It seems unlikely that he would leave his parents to starve, but maybe they suffered a different fate? Ruby says that she promissed to Chomper's parents that she would take care of Chomper; but why would they want her to take care of him?
There seems to be a certain probability that Chomper's parents are no longer alive by the time of the TV series. If one further speculated on a somewhat darker level, one could wonder if in case Chomper's parents are really dead Redclaw might have something to do with it (which would mark him as more than the everyday kind of sharptooth the gang is dealing with all the time). These are at least some thoughts I have in mind for a story I have never penned down though I did draw a few images based on it.
As to that, I believe that is much less sinister.  Likely Chomper did something to offend Red Claw and had to run for it.  I doubt his parents are dead.  

As for why Ruby could return to her family, my theory is that she is NOT Red Claw's main target, but only got herself drawn into this by befriending Chomper.  If she left him, she could probably wander freely.  They make it quite clear that CHOMPER is Red Claw's target, and thus, he'd have to run.  Being with his parents would put them all in danger.  Ruby seems to have agreed to protect Chomper.  Also, the fact that Ruby would, at first, want to possibly go alone to Hanging Rock indicates that she is NOT the target of Red Claw, as she would, hopefully, have enough sense not to risk her life to do such a thing, knowing her parents would NEVER want to run the risk of her being a meal for Red Claw just to come see them.  


Another thing is that there is one Red Claw and one Screech and Thud.  If there is only three of them in total, then why couldn't Chomper's parents, plus Ruby's parents, plus Chomper and Ruby be able to take them out alone?   Perhaps Red Claw has a whole league of minions, and Screech and Thud just happen to be his bodyguards or something


As for the starvation danger, I suspect that is passed as years have gone by, no doubt, since the fifth movie events.  If they didn't die of hunger earlier, they probably aren't in danger now.

While losing his parents to a crazy Sharptooth psychopath would enable Chomper and Littlefoot to bond better due to mutual experiences, I doubt that is the case.

Also, if Screech, Thud, and Red Claw HAD indeed killed Chomper's parents, one would have surmised that Chomper would have let Thud stay trapped there and starve to death as payback.

As for the island, they may no longer be on it.  There may be another path off of it or something.     Chomper and his parents couldn't have explored the island fully as they had no idea the plated Sharptooth was there.   (Also, considering that the parents COULD have left, regardless, until the tsunami, they needn't have just looked for food on the island.   :D  )

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Land Before Time TV Series (2007) / are you happy with the TV series?
« on: December 19, 2014, 06:22:59 PM »
Quote from: Malte279,Jul 16 2012 on  01:56 PM
It is interesting how opposite our views in case of LBT V are. I found Littlefoot was a little too unconcerned and thoroughly trusting about Chomper. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Littlefoot should have had serious doubts about Chomper's faithfulness, but the degree of his openness was a little over the top in my opinion.
What was Chomper up to until he recognized Littlefoot and the others? I don't believe he was old enough to actually hunt and kill something of their size (though the working of his excuse (I had longneck for breakfast) suggests otherwise), but if that's so, why was he chasing them?
I find it kind of odd that LBT V on the one hand is the first ever LBT sequel to make a reference to Littlefoot's mother, but it is totally secluded from the plotline involving Chomper. I really think it would have been a good addition if there had been some kind of conflict of conscience for Littlefoot given the fate of his mother and the simple laws of nature. Cera was all along presented as the "bad one" for being cautious about Chomper, but was her extreme caution totally unsensible? Even if one did not suspect Chomper of any bad intentions he was clearly very naive about his parents who he was so certain wouldn't harm Littlefoot and the others that he led them straight to the place where they were waiting. Had Littlefoot and the others not jumped into the bushes in the very last second Chomper would have let his parents right to them. And right before Cera warns Littlefoot (who had asked Chomper if he wanted to take a bite) Chomper very much DOES look like he had misinterpreted to offer to refer to Littlefoot's leg. I suppose a depiction of a deeper inner conflict of Littlefoot in LBT V would have been regarded as too complex for LBT, but I still think that it would have improved the movie. Littlefoot's trust to Chomper in LBT V is unusual given the fate of his mother and the fact that he knew Chomper for but a few hours.

One more point I hold in favor of Ruby is the basic fact that she is one of the few female characters in LBT. Look at the characters added in the sequels, almost all of them are male. Ali, Tria and Tricia seem to be the only female characters of greater importance added throughout the sequels. There appear a few more (e.g. Elzy, Sue, Old One, possibly Dinah and / or Dana), but they are hardly characters whose significance is equal to that of many male characters in their respective movies (Hyp, Nod and Mutt; Chomper, Doc, Pterano, Mr. Thicknose, Mo, Bron, Guido etc.).
I think more likely as for Chomper's parents and Chomper, it was pretty well proven to be niavety, as Chomper never thought his parents would harm them.  What is even more shocking is that Chomper never even mentions what type his friends are (they could be fellow Sharpteeth for all they knew), yet they still said they wanted them to be dessert.  I was actually most shocked at that reply of Chomper's parents and wonder why they didn't try and eat Ruby.

Also, Chomper's look of astonishment when they say that is proof that he was up to nothing malicious.   I think his parents just happened to be nearby.  

Another problem is the Island itself.  Chomper may have been able to take a log across to get the Great Valley, but why would he feel threatened by Red Claw, Screech, and Thud, who, one would think, couldn't get to him on that island?


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Land Before Time TV Series (2007) / Did the series get a good finale?
« on: December 19, 2014, 06:12:09 PM »
All the same, I'd like to see Red Claw defeated.  What I'd like to know is why Red Claw is after Chomper.

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General Land Before Time / What would you like to see in future releases?
« on: December 19, 2014, 05:44:40 PM »
One of the things I most want to see is Littlefoot and Ali start a family.

One of the things I least want to see is Chomper going ...er...truly bad.   I'd rather sink in the mud, fall out of a tree, or roll like a rock right into the sea.  One thing I know I hope we never see is Chomper going bad.  (When I say "truly bad", I don't mind, and actually have it in the fanfic, where they do go south like Tod and Copper from Fox and the Hound, though, of course, I'd like them to reconcile, and, unlike what seems to have happened with Tod and Copper, be able to be together again after the reconciliation.)  

What I'd like to see is Ruby come back, either in the TV series or later at some point.

What I'm hoping they don't do is pretend that she never existed and leave the TV series plot unresolved.  

Another thing I'd kind of like to see is for Pterano to return and sort of be a father figure to Petrie.  Littefoot has Grandpa Longneck and Bron (whom I'm a little sore at still over his disappearing act.)

Cera has her father (though maybe not always the best role model)

Ducky has her father (though he never talks) and Spike presumably also has Ducky's father as a father figure.

However, Papa Flyer has NEVER shown up (perhaps he was one of Pterano's followers) and can be presumed to no longer be with us.  Pterano is currently banished for 5 years and so can't be with Petrie (unless Petrie leaves the Great Valley).    

Also, this makes even more sense as Littlefoot got Grandma Longneck as a mother figure after his mother's death and Cera got Tria as a mother figure after her mother's presumed death.   Maybe Petrie wouldn't be "Panicky Petrie" anymore if he had a father figure in his life.

Yeah, Pterano has some flaws, but, heck, so does Topps.

Also, what I don't want to see is Grandma and/or Grandpa Longneck dying, not even of old age.  True, Bron could always come to the Great Valley so Littlefoot won't have to leave his friends, but, still, the loss of the beloved grandparents is something I hope they don't do.

Another thing I'm hoping doesn't happen is that the Great Valley gets a calamity at last that makes it impossible to live in and the characters have to live in the Mysterious Beyond, even if, as Littlefoot & Co would most certainly ensure, they didn't have to split up, for the remaining films.  We've grown too fond of the Great Valley to see it damaged beyond repair.  

Also, I might as well say it, I hope the 14th film I hear they are making , ISN'T a reboot of the entire series.  Reboot's often don't do as well as the original and none of us want to lose any of the Prehistoric Pals.    (Also, I found that, even altering the original to not have Littlefoot's mother die, as I found that would mean Littlefoot never met the others, who would, one would think, never have survived without him, and, as a consequence, they'd never have been able to rescue him in the cave in movie 4 and also Chomper would have been a leaf eater killer as he never met Littlefoot and also we'd never hear of Ruby.  Also, with that in mind, Grandpa Longeck and Tippy's herd also would have died.  The herds would have split up in the fifth film.  Also, Ducky's family and others would have lost some of their eggs to Ozzy and Strut.   If movie 4 came before 3, perhaps Topps would have died in the wildfire as Grandpa Longneck wouldn't have been there to save him, in which case, Tricia would never have been born.    In any event, Tricia would have died in the 12th movie without Littlefoot & co being around.  Also, Littlefoot and Archie would have been eaten by Dil and Ichy, and Ali, trying, in vain, to break through the rocks and have heard their last moments and been haunted for the rest of her life by that.   Without Littlefoot & Co., the swimming sharptooth might have gotten Mo.   In short, Littlefoot's mother's death was a necessary evil that made the future movies possible.)

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The Welcome Center / Hello, I'm new here.
« on: December 19, 2014, 04:33:16 PM »
Quote from: Kor,Dec 19 2014 on  01:05 PM
Always great to see a new member on here.  I guess Littlefoot & Ali are your favorite characters.
I'd like to see them get married, possibly in the finale to the movie series.

Actually, Littlefoot, Chomper, and Ruby are my favorite characters.  I heard there was going to be a new movie.  I hope they bring Ruby back, maybe not in this movie, but at some point, and also explain what happened with Red Claw.

As, Sierra is another one of my favorites, in part because I was going to start a "Be Nice to Sharpteeth" group that would demand to not have Sharpteeth be the villains in every movie (yeah, there's Ozzy and Strut, but I was hoping for something more sinster.)  Then Stone of Cold Fire came along and then came my man Sierra, the evilest leaf eater in existence.  

He and Rinkus kept me from reporting Land Before Time producers to Affirmative Action police for having no leaf eater villains.  (Just kidding.)

Anyway, Sierra is just so bad (in a good way).   He tries to knock off Ducky so many times, tries to kill Pterano, almost undoubtedly has committed murder before (His comment of "You should be used to this sort of thing by now."  indicates that he has no qualms about killing.  On the flip side, his comment could be that he knows about the incident involving Pterano's followers and comments that, saying he's surprised, after all the death he's witnessed, that Ducky's "death" would still bother him.)

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LBT Fanfiction / Land Before Time XIV fanfic
« on: December 19, 2014, 02:29:11 AM »
[Removing plot giveaway.  Wish there was a delete button so I could delete a post.]

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General Land Before Time / Regarding ANY LBT 14 Topics
« on: December 19, 2014, 01:30:51 AM »
Quote from: Malte279,Nov 27 2014 on  06:52 AM
Speculations can begin now ;)
The most frequent question in chats so far has been whether or not the next sequel will refer to the TV-series (specifically if Ruby and Chomper are to be in it).
Seeing that the last sequel was produced after the series chances are that they may mostly ignore the series (same as with the series and movies on how to train your dragon).
In any case I would think it very probably that they will continue to make "stand alone" sequels as in them not requiring any knowledge of the other movies (the only sequel so far where knowledge of earlier movies was helpful (though not compulsory) would be LBT 5.
Nevertheless I would say there may be a chance that the next movie might refer to the TV series for a different reason. Thing is that possible plots within the limited space offered by the prehistoric setting of a "society" of dinosaurs with survival, food and security being the main motivators are sparse (no doubt a reason that fanfictions usually mix LBT with elements that would be off limits in the movies).
Now the TV series opened up a lot of questions which would provide some good plot material for stories that wouldn't be a mere repetition of what we have seen before. So personally I think it might be possible.
I agree with those who hope that the new movie doesn't continue to focus on the youngest audience only (which I'm afraid was a main cause for the disappointment many expressed about later sequels and LBT 13 in particular).
My personal wish would be for the movie to somewhat return a bit more to the somewhat darker setting of the original or the early sequels (which were far from dark but at least there was some real sense of threat when sharpteeth were around, unlike in case of any sharptooth after LBT 9).
Not quite.  Though I actually saw II first, if you don't see the original, you don't know some things.  

I did think of one sequel idea that might work (I have several, but I'm gonna put one here.)

Pternao returns and eventually, Petrie starts to really like him again, I don't think, even after seeing his uncle's darker side, that he really disliked him, as he is brought up a few times in the TV series.

Well, anyway, at some point, Petrie and Pterano are doing really well.  Then, after a conversation, Pterano drops a bombshell:  Petrie's father was one of his followers and died as a result of his "leadership".  

Petrie's father has never been shown and this could be a good reason to show why and develop a plot out of it.  

Petrie would go really south with Pterano after that, though eventually Pterano would save Petrie's life, say in some fight with some bad guy, possibly Sierra, at the end, and the two would reconcile.  

The film could be about forgiveness and all of that.  

Here's another possible theory for 14.   It would sorta contradict the narrator of the 2nd film, but, heck, Ruby (and possibly the Domeheads) kinda already do.

An omnivore villain sneaks into the Great Valley.  He and some of his fellow pretend to be leaf eaters and trick everyone.  They are planning to eat lots of leaf eaters, as their mixed diet leaves them undetected.  

However, Chomper, and possibly Ruby, who still might be hanging there hiding from Red Claw,  somehow overhear the bad guy's plans.  The bad guys soon figure this out, kill someone (no, not one of the main characters or their relatives!) and blame it on Chomper, the "evil Sharptooth", causing him, and possibly Ruby, to be run out of the Great Valley.

However, near the end, before the bad guys, who decide, for whatever reason, to go for Littlefoot and his friends first, reveal themselves to be bad, though they have Littlefoot & co. cornered so it looks bad, but then Chomper and Ruby happen to sneak back in and fight off the bad guys, who fall into sinking sand (haven't seen a bad guy die that way in LBT yet, have we?).

Chomper is cleared of all charges of wrongdoing and everyone apologizes to him.   He and Ruby are hailed as heroes.  


My theory three is that , perhaps Red Claw is revealed to be Sharptooth's brother, and, maybe after a nasty attack in the Great Valley, Littlefoot, perhaps out of anger and spite for that family, goes after him, and is tagged along by Littlefoot and the others, including Chomper and Ruby.

Along they way, they get a group of Sharpteeth and leaf eaters and maybe  a Fast Runner or two to all join them and be friends.

Eventually, they come across Red Claw, Screech, and Thud, and defeat them, with Thud, who seemed somewhat redeemable as he was nice to them once, possibly going rogue against Red Claw and joining them.

This sequel theory actually makes quite a bit of sense as that was their aim in the TV series, to get the creatures of the Mysterious Beyond to work together and overthrow Red Claw and his minions.  


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General Land Before Time / Regarding ANY LBT 14 Topics
« on: December 19, 2014, 12:58:58 AM »
Are you sure?  It's been a long time.  I was hoping to be the one to restart it.  


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The Welcome Center / Hello, I'm new here.
« on: December 19, 2014, 12:51:36 AM »
I found out about this forum.  I'm not sure where to post general discussion and, at the risk of being thrown off the Great Wall by Ozzy or Strut or fed to the Sharpteeth by Sierra, I thought I'd ask first.

 


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