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The Land Before Time => General Land Before Time => Topic started by: Almaron on September 27, 2009, 08:22:43 PM
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This may sound odd, but what are the names used to describe animals such as Styracosaurus? I've seen "Onehorn" used on the wiki, but I question its authenticity. Has there been an official name for them? And for others, like Pachycephalosaurus (I've seen about three or four different names used)?
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I don’t think Styracosaurus has ever been given a name in canon LBT. The most common name I’ve seen applied to it in fanfiction is “spikefrill”, which, while fitting, may be a bit more “scientific” a term than you would expect the LBT dinosaurs to use. Malte uses the name “crownhorn” in his story “Old Threehorns”. (I consider this to be my favorite LBT-style name for Styracosaurus.)
As a side note, I personally think that “onehorn” would be a more appropriate name for Centrosaurus (A.K.A. “Monoclonius”), one of which appeared extremely briefly in Mr. Thicknose’s flashback in LBT VIII.
As for Pachycephalosaurus, I too have heard several different names used. In the credits of LBT XI, a Pachycephalosaurus was listed as “bonehead”, while in the TV episode “The Cave of Many Voices”, Ducky addresses two pachycephalosaurs as “domeheads”. However, these appeared to be of a different species than the variety of pachycephalosaur usually seen in LBT (probably Stegoceras or Prenocephale), as they had no nose horns, andóbizarrelyóhad only two fingers and two toes on their hands and feet.
In fanfics, I remember at least one instance of Pachycephalosaurus being referred to as “thickheads” (probably the name I like the best), and in Littlefoot1616's first “Battle of the Sacred Essences” story, he used the term “skull-basher”.
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Many of the names you see beyond the common ones of Longneck, Threehorn, Flyer, Swimmer, Spiketail and Sharptooth that are in fanfiction are most likely made up.
Even though Land Before Time has given a name to a number of species, there are those that have yet to get one.
In all honesty, out of all the names Ruby's species, Oviraptor, could have gotten, many of us did not expect Fastrunner. I know they're fast and all, but come on! Kind of shows just how uncreative the TV Series writers were. (Not to mention they renamed raptors Fastbiters.)
As for me, I had named Rooter's species Spikeback. Many had found that one quite creative.
I'm not sure what I'm going to name others when I run into them. After all, each of the species of The Bullies in particular have yet to get one.
In Land Before Time's current condition, all we can do is make up names for what's left. -_-
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Maybe we should make a list? One that has the most popular opinion on what the names would be (Such as Spikethumb for Iguanadon?)? I actually thought about whether "Flathead" referred to Littlefoot's species of longneck (Shorty, being a Brachiosaurus, has that ridge on his head). I also wonder if there are "profanities" of sorts. In LBT 7, Cera refers to the flyers as "Beakheads". Could be an insult.
EDIT: Come to think of it, do they refer to themselves as dinosaurs? Or do they have a name for themselves? I suppose Landwalker or Leaf-Eater is enough.
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Flathead is a canon racial slur referring to Longnecks. And I assume that they do have swear words.
In fact, an LBT "dictionary" might be interesting. Even if it was only useful for fan fiction. Because everyone here chooses different names for various dinosaurs.
And yes, they do refer to themselves as dinosaurs.
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I've actually made my own "Land Before Time glossary" of terms, place names, and dinosaur species in the series. I could post that if you like.
Come to think of it, do they refer to themselves as dinosaurs? Or do they have a name for themselves? I suppose Landwalker or Leaf-Eater is enough.
Until the fourth movie, the only usage of the word "dinosaur" in LBT was by the narrator. Then, in the scene where Grandpa Longneck falls ill, the word is used three times in the same conversation. :blink: There are at least two more cases in LBT VI: besides the obvious "The Lone Dinosaur", Ducky speculates that "the whole dinosaur world" will have bad luck as a result of the gang's accidental defacing of Saurus Rock.
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Sounds neat. Maybe everyone here could build on what you have started with your glossary of terms. :yes
Some lbt names for species can be hard to come up with indeed, some not to difficult.
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The idea of a LBT dictionary or glossary would certainly be helpful not only for us fanfiction writers, but in general. I personally would like to see what you've got so far Pangaea it sounds interesting, and it would certainly give us a place to start.
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Yes please, do post that. I imagine it would be very helpful for writers on the board! I also started on making a sort of encyclopedic list of words and names, but maybe I'll just add my list to yours. I'll post it later.
EDIT: One thing I'm doing with the encyclopedia is grouping everything into different areas, and including a list of possible names. For instance, under Pachycephalosaurus, I've put all of the names you said. We could put the most popular names first, and the others behind it. That way, the person could make their own judgement as to what name to use (Or even to use multiple names! Not all of the herds have their species as their last names; Mrs Tubehead, Mrs Maia, etc).
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Canon Dinosaur Names
Bellydragger – crocodile (esp. Deinosuchus, Sarcosuchus)
Bigmouth – Saurolophus (see also: Swimmer)
Clubtail – Ankylosaurus
Domehead – Pachycephalosaurus and/or other pachycephalosaurs (also: Bonehead)
Flyer – Pterosaur (esp. Pteranodon, Rhamphorhynchus)
Egg Stealer – Struthiomimus
Fast Biter – Velociraptor
Fast Runner – Oviraptor
Glider – Microraptor
Hollowhorn – Parasaurolophus (also: Tubehead :confused)
Longneck – Sauropod (esp. Apatosaurus, Brachiosaurus)
Rainbow Face – Gallimimus or Troodon :confused
Sharpbeak – Ichthyornis
Sharptooth – any carnivorous dinosaur (esp. Tyrannosaurus, Allosaurus)
Spiketail – Stegosaurus
Swimming Sharptooth or Sharptooth Swimmer – any aquatic carnivore (esp. shark, Liopleurodon)
Swimmer – (1) Saurolophus (see also: Bigmouth) (2) any aquatic creature
Thicknose – Pachyrhinosaurus
Threehorn – Triceratops
Tinysaurus – Mussaurus
Yellow Belly – Beipiaosaurus
Fanbase Dinosaur Names
Allosaurus – Ridge-Eye Sharptooth, Scrapebiter
Archelon – Shellback Swimmer, Shelled Swimmer
Centrosaurus – Onehorn
Corythosaurus – Crested Swimmer, Cresthead Swimmer, Whistler, Whistling Swimmer
Deinonychus – Fastclaw, Sickleclaw
Dimetrodon – Fanback
Edmontosaurus – Widebeak Swimmer
Hypsilophodon – Runner, Sprinter
Iguanodon – Spikethumb, Thornthumb
Kentrosaurus – Spikeback
Lambeosaurus – Twocrest Swimmer
Microraptor – Fourwing
Muttaburrasaurus – Bignose
Nodosaurus – Pebbleback, Shieldback
Ouranosaurus – Crestback, Finback, Sailback
Pachycephalosaurus – Skull-Basher, Thickhead
Scolosaurus – Spikeback, Digger
Spinosaurus – Sailback Sharptooth, Spineback
Styracosaurus – Crownhorn, Spikefrill
Tyrannosaurus – Crunchbiter Sharptooth
Possible Racial Slurs
Beakhead – Flyer
Bigface – Bigmouth/Swimmer
Flathead – Longneck
Ground Scraper – Bellydragger
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If anyone would like me to add my glossaries of non-dinosaurs, and natural objects and phenomena, I can do that as well. :yes
Also, if anyone thinks I should, I could start a new thread to move this list to, so that it is easily accessible to anyone who wants to read it. (I wonder if we could even get it pinned...)
Some notes:
ï Bellydraggers and swimming sharpteeth make the list of dinosaurs by virtue of being large animals with prominent roles in the series. The same goes for Archelon (Archie's species).
ï Guido referred to himself as a “glider” in “The Hermit of Blackrock”. This may have been intended as a descriptive term, but I have adopted it as a species name. Because of that, I'm not quite sure whether it should be considered a canon name or a fanbase name.
ï While the rainbow faces in LBT VII look like Gallimimus, I still think it is possible that they were intended to be Troodon. Their design could have been changed to make them seem less menacing (real Troodon had sharp teeth and small sickle claws on their feet), and Troodon is known for its reputation as supposedly the most intelligent dinosaur, and the most likely progenitor of a hypothetical saurian civilization in the event that the Cretaceous extinction never occurred.
ï In one of my earlier posts on this forum (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=2908&view=findpost&p=9113648), I deduced Rooter to have been based on the now-defunct ankylosaur genus “Scolosaurus”. No one challenged my conclusion, nor agreed with it (indeed, no one responded to my post at all :p), so unless and until anyone wishes to come forth with feedback, that is what I will refer to him as.
ï Ridge-Eye Sharptooth, Onehorn, Whistler, Fourwing, Finback, Sailback, Digger, Sailback Sharptooth, and Crunchbiter Sharptooth are my personal submissions for fanmade dinosaur names. Most of the others are names I remember from various fanfictions I have read. (I can attempt to cite my sources if anyone believes it is necessary.)
ï “Ground scraper” was used by Mr. Threehorn in “The Amazing Threehorn Girl”. Perhaps it was intended more as an insult than a racial slur, but I figured the bellydraggers would consider it one. :p
ï The :confused icon indicates that the entry is tentative, and parts of it may be changed or deleted pending discussion.
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Awesome! I'll finish off my list and post it with yours.
EDIT: In fact, let me finish my encyclopedia format, and then let's merge lists and make a new page. If that's fine with you.
I have to disagree about the Rainbow Faces being Troodon for one reason; They were Carnivores. I think Gallimimus is a better candidate because they
1: Are known well by non-dino enthusiasts (They're in Jurassic Park)
2: Lived in the cretaceous period (Not Coelphysis, as someone suggested on another page)
3: Were either omnivores or herbivores. (We have seen several omnivorous creatures in the valley, such as the flyers and Ruby. It makes you wonder if omnivorous creatures are treated any differently due to their eating requirements, or if their meals are ignored if they are fish, or insects)
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Pangaea, with your permission, I would like to add your list to my website. I will give you full credit for the names you have listed and, if there is another place you, yourself have put them, I will list that as well.
From there, I plan to add in the other things, such as treestar, Bright Circle, Big Water and a number of others.
Reason I want to put it up is because it's SO awesome and it would be great to see all my guests that come to my site to get some background information on the names that have been given.
Please give me your decision soon. Thank you!
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The rainbowfaces aren't troodons far as I'm concerned. For one thing, they have a beak, which troodons didn't have, and they lack the sickle claw. I consider them to be gallimimuses.
The whole "they are carnivores" argument probably wouldn't hold up, at least to recent discoveries, because, based on what I read recently, due to the fact that troodon teeth actually look more like herbivore teeth than carnivore teeth, it is possible the troodons were omnivorous as well, or even herbivores. So even if the rainbowfaces were troodons, they probably wouldn't be chased away since they could likely eat some plants. And when it comes to meat, they probably ate more insects than other dinosaurs. This is something Chomper does in the series.
Edit: I looked up the teeth of a troodon and compared it to the tooth of a stegosaurus. It seems to suggest an omnivorous diet.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm.../Stegotooth.svg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Stegotooth.svg)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...on_formosus.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Troodon_formosus.jpg)
While still shaped like a meat-eating tooth, the groove-like structures are something you would usually find in a plant-eating dinosaur like stegosaurus, and these grooves aren't present in dinosaurs we know to be meat-eating (like tyrannosaurus or velociraptor). So my guess is they were omnivorous, not strict carnivores. So they probably could be tolerated in the GV if they were troodons, since their diet probably wouldn't be much different than if they were gallimimuses.
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I still think Rainbowfaces are Gallimimus. Their face really is too narrow for them to be a Troodon.
Of course, since a Rainbowfaces only appear in LBT 7 and it is hinted that they are aliens. Is the possibility that the dinosaur they chose to take the form of never existed considered?
There is another term I use, sickleclaw. The term applies to pretty much any large Dromaeosaur (Utahraptor, Achillobator, Deinonychus).
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I used the term sickleclaw as well. I prefer that term over fastbiter.
As for rainbowfaces only appearing in LBT7, I'm not so sure if this is true or not. I thought for sure they appeared in one or two other movies.
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Plus of what I've seen of reconstructions Troodons had large eyes.
There is a rainbowface with a speaking & singing role in the song Creepy Crawlies, in the 11th LBT movie and can be seen several times as ab ackground char during the song. Plus he sings with Mr. Clubtail before he says his line, "We don't know what they look like." & sings with him a bit after his line also I think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0Vb9NP1JHg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0Vb9NP1JHg)
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One thing I always thought was strange about the rainbow faces (it's not much of an argument, but I'm going to share it anyway :p) is that if they are supposed to be Gallimimus, then it is odd that they are portrayed so differently from the egg stealers, despite being extremely closely related.
I still feel that it is plausible that the rainbow faces were Troodon deliberately designed with "beakier" faces and no sickle claws to make them look less predaciously intimidating. Also, while I agree that in their later appearances*, rainbow faces look more Gallimimus-like, the original two to were somewhat more troodontid in body shape, with relatively shorter necks and longer heads. (Maybe they were originally intended to be Troodon, but the filmmakers forgot and later drew them as Gallimimus.) And while LBT has never been that accurate when it comes to dinosaur dentition (putting teeth on a pterosaur whose name literally translates to "wing without tooth" :p), the rainbow faces do appear to have some rather sharp teeth hidden away in their jaws, most visibly when the female enunciates "THIS should be FASCINATING" during the duo's confrontation with Mr. Threehorn. (Again, not a very strong argument, admittedly.)
Actually, it's quite ironic that I'm arguing that the rainbow faces are Troodon, :rolleyes as one of my own ideas for an LBT story involves the gang meeting a Troodon, which I refer to as a "nightwalker", based on an (unseen, only mentioned) creature described by one of the mammals in "Stranger from the Mysterious Above" as having "big, scary eyes". (As Troodon had large eyes and has been widely speculated to have been nocturnal, it seemed a fitting dinosaur to apply the moniker to.)
*Besides LBT XI, rainbow faces appeared in the introductory sequences of IX and X.
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Ozzy and Strut though were Struthiomimuses (in the song Eggs we have one of the extremely rare cases of a scientific dinosaur name being used). Gallimimus and Struthiomimus did look fairly similar of course.
Personally I always took the rainbowfaces to be Gallimimuses by appearance (beyond that I am trying to sort of ignore them for dislike of E.T.s invading LBT).
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I think that they already did have a troodon appear in LBT. I could be wrong, but I thought that Hidden Runner was supposed to be a troodon, though still lacking the tiny sickle claw. Hidden Runner's overall design reminds me more of a troodon, though, than the Rainbowfaces.
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Here’s a list I started working on (I would have posted it sooner, but I got preoccupied with other things), and anyone is welcome to use it. I haven’t used any of the stuff you posted Pangaea, as I thought that would be obnoxious on my part. I’ve used old lists I got off Wikipedia and the LBT Wiki. I really just wanted to post this to show the format. I think it would be cool if we made it into a dictionary like this. It's incomplete, but I left it that way so others could fill in what was missed.
LAND BEFORE TIME TERMINOLOGY LIST:
*=Conjectural
Part 1: Species Names.
Herbivorous: Leaf-Eater
Carnivorous: Sharpteeth
Omnivorous:
Section 1A: Dinosaur Names
Ornithschian:
-Thyreophoran
Ankylosaurus=Clubtail
Nodosaurus=*Clubless Tail
Stegosaurus=Spiketail
-Ornithopod
Hypsilophodont=
Iguanadon=*Spikethumb
--Hadrosaur=*Swimmer/*Bigmouth
Maiasaura=
Muttaburrasaurus=
*Saurolophus=Bigmouth
--Lambeosaur=Hollowhorn
Corythosaurus=Hollowhorn
Lambeosaurus=Hollowhorn
Parasaurolophus=Hollowhorn
-Marginocephalia
Pachycephalosaurus=Domehead
-Ceratopsian
--Centrosaur
Centrosaur=*Onehorn
Styracosaurus=
--Chasmosaur
Chasmosaur=*Threehorn
Pachyrhinosaurus=Thicknose
Triceratops=Threehorn
Torosaurus=*Threehorn
Saurischian:
-Sauropod=Longneck
Apatosaurus=*Flathead
Brachiosaurus=
Diplodocus=
Supersaurus=
-Theropod=Sharpteeth
*Gallimimus=Rainbow Face
Oviraptor=Fast Runner
Struthiomimus=Egg Stealer
Troodon=
Tyrannosaurus=Sharptooth
*Utahraptor=Fast Biter
Section 1B: Non-Dinosaur Names.
Subsection A: Land Creatures=Landwalkers
Dimetrodon=
Subsection B: Sea Creatures=Swimmers
Archelon=
Deinosuchus=Big Mouthed Belly Dragger
Elasmosaurus=
Opthalmosaurus=
Subsection C: Air Creatures=Flyers
Ichthyornis=Sharpbeak
-Pterosaur=Flyer
Cearadactyl=
Pteranodon=
Quetzalcoatlus=
Ramphorynchus=
Part 2: Object Names.
Section 2A: Flora Names
Section 2B: Earth Objects
Lava=Burning Rocks/Flowing Fire
Volcano=Smoking Mountain/*Mountain That Burns
Section 2C: Water Objects
Section 2D: Sky Objects
Clouds=Sky Puffies
Comet/Meteorite=Flying Rock
Moon=Night Circle
Stars=
Sun=Bright Circle
Part 3: Descriptive Words.
Section 3A: Titles
Farwalker=Used to describe wandering dinosaurs, who don’t settle down in a single place.
Landwalker=Used (by swimmers) to describe all creatures on the land.
Story Speaker=
Swimmer=Used to describe both aquatic creatures and dinosaurs that spend time in/near water.
Section 3B: Profanities/Insults
*Beakhead=Possibly a slur towards Flyers, although could be towards any beaked creature.
Egg=Used to imply immaturity.
*Flathead=Possibly a slur towards Longnecks.
Hatchling=Used to imply immaturity.
Section 3C: Weather/Seasons
Sky Water=Rain
Sky Puffies=Clouds
Notes: Bonehead not listed for Pachycephalosaurus, as it may be the dinosaur’s name, as opposed to species (Like Mrs Tubehead, or Mrs Maia. Not all of them have the same last name.)
I found an old note listing Duckbeak as either profanity or a name. Can anyone remember what film it’s from?
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There was fanfiction that used the term "sailcrawler". I assume it is a Dimetrodon. Same fan fiction used the term "sailback", I assume they mean a Spinosaurus. It was never described what type of dinosaur but "sailbacks" were described as large.
Also Karkovice's fan fiction introduces the term "sap-sucker" which is apparently an EXTREMELY insulting term for herbivores.
He also introduces a disease called "Bloody Tummy", which is apparently some kind of hemorragic virus.
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Cool. One thing I think we should do with this is have a list of fan names for things, so people can read the popular names for things, and use them in their stories. I've already placed a few in that list above (Like Clubless Tail for Nodosaurus), and they're marked with an asterisk.
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That is a long list. Guessing some species for some chars can not be easy I guess. In part, perhaps, due to their not having a paleontologist on staff to keep their dinos looking accurate.
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Wow. That's a good list, Almaron, and a pretty well organized one at that. :yes
If you don't mind me saying, though, I don't think we should categorize the names by order/family of dinosaur, chiefly because not everyone who will use the list will know about dinosaur classification. I also don't think it's necessary to have such specific categories for terms. It would be easier if users were presented with larger, generalized lists in which they could look up the terms alphabetically. Perhaps some subgroupings, such as "Longnecks" and "Flyers", would be useful, but only if we decide to narrow the list of dinosaurs down to specific species/genera.
I've thought about how to structure the glossary so that both fanbase and canon names can be included in the same list, and here's what I've come up with: the dinosaurs will be listed alphabetically by their scientific names, each followed by the canon name (if applicable) and fan-made name(s). Perhaps the canon and fanbase names could be different colors, to indicate which is which. (The major problem with this idea is that not everyone who uses the list may know what all the dinosaurs' scientific names are.) My question now is, should I post the restructured glossary here so that you can all look at it and give me your opinions, or just start the new, "official" glossary thread right now?
You know, I forgot to mention; I've ALSO made a list of all the species (dinosaur and otherwise) that appear in each and all of the LBT films. (It would seem that I've got a strange obsession with making lists for no particular purpose other than to amuse myself. :p At this point, however, I'm glad of it.) I can show that list to you as well if you like, though I must warn you that, due to the number of LBT installments, it's a very, VERY long list.
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Oh, to heck with waiting for responses... :p Here's the revised glossary; what do you think?
Dinosaurs*
Ankylosaurus – Clubtail
Archelon – Shellback Swimmer, Shelled Swimmer
Beipiaosaurus – Yellow Belly
Carnivore – Sharptooth
ï Allosaurus – Ridge-Eye, Scrapebiter
ï Deinonychus – Fastclaw, Sickleclaw
ï Liopleurodon – Sharptooth Swimmer, Swimming Sharptooth
ï Shark – Swimming Sharptooth
ï Spinosaurus – Sailback, Spineback
ï Tyrannosaurus – Crunchbiter, Twoclaw, Two Finger
ï Velociraptor – Fast Biter
Crocodilian – Bellydragger
ï Deinosuchus – Bigmouth Bellydragger
ï Sarcosuchus – Longnose Bellydragger, Longsnout Bellydragger
Centrosaurus – Onehorn
Corythosaurus – Crested Swimmer, Cresthead Swimmer, Whistler, Whistling Swimmer
Deinonychus – Fastclaw, Sickleclaw
Dimetrodon – Fanback, Sailcrawler
Edmontosaurus – Widebeak Swimmer
Gallimimus/Troodon – Rainbow Face
Hypsilophodon – Runner, Sprinter
Ichthyornis – Sharpbeak
Iguanodon – Spikethumb, Thornthumb
Kentrosaurus – Spikeback
Lambeosaurus – Twocrest Swimmer
Microraptor – Fourwing, Glider
Mussaurus – Tinysaurus
Muttaburrasaurus – Bignose
Nodosaurus – Pebbleback, Shieldback
Ouranosaurus – Crestback, Finback, Sailback
Oviraptor – Fast Runner
Pachyrhinosaurus – Bumphead, Thicknose
Parasaurolophus – Hollowhorn, Tubehead :confused
Pachycephalosaur – Bonehead, Domehead, Skull-Basher, Thickhead
ï Pachycephalosaurus – Bonehead, Domehead, Skull-Basher, Thickhead
ï Prenocephale/Stegoceras – Domehead
Pterosaur – Flyer
ï Cearadactylus – Sharptooth Flyer
ï Pteranodon – Crested Flyer, Tallcrest Flyer
ï Rhamphorhynchus – Longtail Flyer
Saurolophus – Bigmouth, Swimmer
Sauropod – Longneck
ï Apatosaurus – Flathead Longneck
ï Brachiosaurus – Great Neck, Skyreacher Longneck, Tallneck
ï Diplodocus – Longsnout Longneck, Whiptail Longneck
Scolosaurus – Digger, Spikeback
Stegosaurus – Spiketail
Struthiomimus – Egg Stealer
Styracosaurus – Crownhorn, Spikefrill
Triceratops – Threehorn
*red = canon, blue = fanbase
Natural Objects and Phenomena
Canyon – Big Ditch
Cloud – Sky Puffy
Cold Time – Winter
Crystal – Shiny Stone
Echo – Talk-Back
Geode – Sky Color Stone
Ice – Hard Water
Lava – Flowing Fire
Lava Bomb – Fire Rock
Lava Pit – Fire Pit
Meteorite – Flying Rock
Moon – Great Night Circle, Night Circle
Mudslide – Running Mud
Quicksand – Sinking Sand
Rain – Skywater
Rainbow – Sky Colors
Sea – Big Water
Snowflake – Frozen Sky Star
Snow – White Ground Sparkles
Stalactite or Stalagmite – Stone Tooth
Sun – Bright Circle, Great Circle
Tornado – Whirling Wind
Volcano – Booming Mountain, Burning Mountain, Smoking Mountain
Volcanic Crater – Gurgling Pit
Volcanic Mud – Bubbling Goo, Bubbly Goo
Fauna
Bee – Buzzing Buzzer, Buzzing Stinger, Stinging Buzzer, Yellow Buzzer
Clam – Snapping Shell
Crab – Sand Creeper
Frog – Hopper
Insect – Crawler, Creepy Crawler, Creepy Crawly, Ground Crawler
Locust – Swarming Leaf-Gobbler
Starfish – Star Swimmer
Flora
Flower Dust – pollen
Green Food – vegetation
Ground Prickly – burr
Pointy Seed – pinecone
Swamp Sticks – cattails or reeds :confused
Sweet Bubbles – grapes
Tree Fuzz – moss
Tree Star – any star-shaped leaf
Tree Sweet – fruit or tree blossom
Water Greens – aquatic vegetation
Descriptive Terms
Farwalker – any migratory land animal
Fourfooter – any quadrupedal animal
Landwalker – any land animal
Swimmer – any aquatic animal
Story Speaker – a traveling storyteller
Twofooter – any bipedal animal
Insults and Profanities
Beakhead – a possible slur towards Flyers (and/or other beaked creatures)
Bigface – a possible slur towards Bigmouths/Swimmers
Egg – implies immaturity
Flathead – a possible slur towards Longnecks
Hatchling – implies immaturity
Leaf-Licker – a possible slur towards Leafeaters
Ground Scraper – possibly a slur towards Bellydraggers
Sap-Sucker – insult to Leafeaters
Scaredy Egg – implies cowardice
Wingbrain – insult to Flyers
Miscellaneous
Birthday – Hatch Day, Star Day
Dream – Sleep Story
Fin or Flipper – Water Foot
Hair – Tickly Fuzzies
Snore – Sleep Rumble
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Brilliant! Magnifico! And other such words of congratulation!
EDIT: After reading through some of this, I wonder if I should start a debate on the differing names given to Ducky. For instance, in the first movie she calls herself a "Bigmouth", then in all other films she is a "Swimmer", except in 5, where an identical dinosaur (skeleton) is called a Duckbill.
I wonder if Duckbill covers the whole Hadrosaur genus. Since there was nothing left of the skeleton but bones, the GV residents may not have known which dinosaur it was exactly, so they could have used Duckbill to refer to whichever dinosaur it was.
Due to Swimmer being used more often than Bigmouth, it must be the general name for her species (Hadrosaurinae. In the same way that Longneck can refer to all sauropods).
Bigmouth may be the final identification of what dinosaur she is, making Ducky a Bigmouthed Swimmer (In the same way, if Flathead isn't a slur, then Littlefoot is a Flathead Longneck). It could have been a way of identification. If we assume all the Hadrosaurs nested together (Para, Cory, Lambeo, etc) and all used the name Swimmer/Duckbill, then it may have been a way to keep the youngsters from heading off with the wrong herd (eg."I'm a hollowhorn." "I'm a bigmouth". "Whoops, wrong herd." Except better written than that.), which could be why Ducky called herself that as opposed to a Swimmer when she met Littlefoot, she was used to calling herself that (And if all the different Hadrosaurs were that close, then maybe that's why Ducky's family were so adopting of Spike. Alternatively, they had already lost their racism on the trip to the valley (Although, judging by Ducky, they were never big on it in the first place), and seeing no other Spiketails in the valley, or simply deciding to care for him, adopted Spike!).
On the other hand, it could be that Bigmouth refers to the Hadrosaurinae group, which would also include Maiasaura and Muttaburrasaurus. However, neither of them spend much time near the water in the films. Hmm. Maybe both names are exchangeable. Or it could mean Swimmer only refers to Saurolophus. But then again, Swimmer also refers to sea creatures...ARGH! It does my head in! The LBT genetic family tree is overly confusing!!! :confused
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Thanks. :smile
I was going to share some of my own thoughts about the terms "bigmouth", "swimmer", and "duckbill" earlier, but I put it off so that I could post the revised list. So here they are now:
"Duckbill", I have to say, is my least favorite canon LBT term, because it references an animal that appeared long after the hadrosaurs. Logically, the LBT dinosaurs wouldn't use it. (Somehow I don't feel the same way about terms such as "clubtail" and "sickleclaw". :confused) Also, I would argue that because it was only used in that one scene in that one movie, it could be regarded as a "blooper term"; much like Grandpa Longneck's reference to stars as "lesser lights" in LBT VI (why not just call the lights in the sky "stars", considering the dinosaurs already use the word "tree star" all the time?), and Cera's use of the word "rain" (despite LBT V's establishment of the term "skywater"). Still, I suppose it would be selfish to exclude "duckbill" (and "lesser lights", for that matter :rolleyes) from the list because of my own opinions (unless, on the off-chance, everyone else agrees with me that it's a stupid name :p). I think your suggestion that "duckbill" should apply to LBT hadrosaurs in general (much like "longneck" applies to sauropods) makes sense, though frankly, I hate the word so much as an LBT term that I’m reluctant to give it such a lofty position. :p
While I thought that "bigmouth" sufficed as a descriptive term for Ducky's species (and is much more specific than "swimmer"), it also sounds a little like an insult; something one would use to refer to an obnoxiously vociferous or gossipy person. (While Ducky is admittedly rather talkative, she most certainly does not, in my opinion, deserve a name with such negative connotations. :p) My guess is that that was the reason her species was "renamed", with "swimmer" being the replacement of choice because of her repeatedly demonstrated partiality to water in the first film, as well as possibly the fact that "swimmer" was one of the species names mentioned by Littlefoot's mother during her "we never do anything together" speech (which, incidentally, included the species names of every other member of the gang).
Another note on "swimmers": while many fans (including myself) have tended to refer to all varieties of LBT hadrosaurs as "swimmers" (following the pattern of lumping all sauropods as "longnecks" and all pterosaurs as "flyers"), it has occurred to me that (as you also seemed to notice) Saurolophus is practically the only species that is actually seen swimming in the series. (There's also the Edmontosaurus in the introduction of LBT VIII, but that's about it.) Of course, it could be easily argued that we simply haven't SEEN the others swim, but it is also questionable whether they even regard themselves as related, the way longnecks, and flyers apparently do. Though admittedly, the different species ARE quite similar, besides the shape of the head crests, and I rather like your idea that they recognize their species as related, but use different terms for their respective species to avoid confusion. And vague though it is, I suppose "swimmer" is probably the best choice for an all-encompassing canon term for LBT hadrosaurs, seeing as "duckbill" is annoyingly anachronistic, and "bigmouth" is not that accurate a term to describe species like Parasaurolophus, whose bills are relatively small and narrow.
Anyway, since you seem to think the list is okay, :p should I start a new thread for it now? (I'll gladly accept the position of "glossary keeper"; updating the list whenever a new term is submitted. :))
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Thanks to Pangaea here, me and him have gotten up a list.
Check it out!
http://www.landbeforetimewd.co.cc/index.ph..._LBT-Dictionary (http://www.landbeforetimewd.co.cc/index.php?p=1_21_LBT-Dictionary)
Hope you enjoy it! :)
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"Duckbill", I have to say, is my least favorite canon LBT term, because it references an animal that appeared long after the hadrosaurs. Logically, the LBT dinosaurs wouldn't use it. (Somehow I don't feel the same way about terms such as "clubtail" and "sickleclaw". ) Also, I would argue that because it was only used in that one scene in that one movie, it could be regarded as a "blooper term"; much like Grandpa Longneck's reference to stars as "lesser lights" in LBT VI (why not just call the lights in the sky "stars", considering the dinosaurs already use the word "tree star" all the time), and Cera's use of the word "rain" (despite LBT V's establishment of the term "skywater"). Still, I suppose it would be selfish to exclude "duckbill" (and "lesser lights", for that matter ) from the list because of my own opinions (unless, on the off-chance, everyone else agrees with me that it's a stupid name ). I think your suggestion that "duckbill" should apply to LBT hadrosaurs in general (much like "longneck" applies to sauropods) makes sense, though frankly, I hate the word so much as an LBT term that I’m reluctant to give it such a lofty position.
Maybe it's a mistranslation :smile . They'd have a word for it, but it was translated for audiences? It's quite a stretch, but...
While I thought that "bigmouth" sufficed as a descriptive term for Ducky's species (and is much more specific than "swimmer"), it also sounds a little like an insult; something one would use to refer to an obnoxiously vociferous or gossipy person. (While Ducky is admittedly rather talkative, she most certainly does not, in my opinion, deserve a name with such negative connotations. ) My guess is that that was the reason her species was "renamed", with "swimmer" being the replacement of choice because of her repeatedly demonstrated partiality to water in the first film, as well as possibly the fact that "swimmer" was one of the species names mentioned by Littlefoot's mother during her "we never do anything together" speech (which, incidentally, included the species names of every other member of the gang).
That's only if you choose to perceive Bigmouth as an insult. The name only applies to what her species looks like. In the same way, most Pachycephalosaurus names could be offensive (They all use Thickhead to some extent), and some of the names like Bonehead could alos be perceived as insults.
(I always thought that was a clever joke, that Ducky was a Bigmouth, and she talked a lot.)
And your list page looks really cool!
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That's only if you choose to perceive Bigmouth as an insult. The name only applies to what her species looks like. In the same way, most Pachycephalosaurus names could be offensive (They all use Thickhead to some extent), and some of the names like Bonehead could alos be perceived as insults.
Yeah, good point. I actually somewhat preferred the term "bigmouth", simply because it is more descriptive than "swimmer" (which canóand doesóapply to just about any aquatic creature). But I can sort of see why they decided to change it in the sequels; because there are people out there who WOULD perceive it as insulting.
Anyway, on the revised list (which I sent to pokeplayer but have not yet posted here), I added the terms "duckbill" and "lesser lights". Do you think I should keep them on there, or should I remove one or both of them? (It would help if I could get multiple opinions on this.)
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Okay, I've gone ahead and posted the glossary as a new thread. I've also added a couple of fanbase terms to the other categories.
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I don't see why they should be removed, they're all possible names.
By the way, I just checked out the other post (the glossary one), and I wonder if we should add Torosaurus and Chasmosaurus as possible Threehorns? I remember reading a list where someone had included them as Threehorns (Of course, this would just be the group that housed them, like an equivalent for the Chasmosaur branch. They'd all need descriptive names, like Flathead or...
No, that's just too confusing. Never mind.
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Hollowhorn may refer to the entire Lambeosaur family.
An interesting thought. My argument against that, however, is that the crests of some other lambeosaurines, such as Corythosaurus, would probably not be considered horns, even if they are hollow. Unless the idea is that they are "horns", as in musical instruments. :p
Names like Tubehead may just be different last names.
You're probably right about that. I think fanfiction writers should have the option to use it as a species name, though, so I am keeping it on the list, but referencing your comment under Notes.
Lesser lights may simply be poetic speaking.
That's a VERY good point. I've added that under Notes. (I hope that's okay with you. ;))
I recall seeing another term for Tyrannosaurus Rex in an LBT fanfic, though I cannot remember exactly which one. The term was Bonecrusher Sharptooth.
Thanks for that, Kacie. :) "Bonecrusher Sharptooth" has been added to the list.
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Hmm. Anyone got a possible name for a Maiasaura? They've been in some of the earlier films, but never named.
EDIT: Come to think of it, is there any name for a "Teenage" dinosaur? Or at least a young adult. I'm writing a story involving a character who is probably the equivalent of that, and it's getting a bit ridiculous referring to him as "Young One", which seems to be the closest thing.
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Maiasaura is a REALLY tricky dinosaur to come up with a name for. Better known for its parental behavior than its appearance, it wasn't a very distinctive hadrosaur (though I believe it had a small, horizontal ridge-like crest on its forehead). I suppose it could be considered a type of Duckbill/Swimmer, but there's still the problem of coming up with an epithet (that's probably not quite the right word, but you know what I mean).
Oddly enough, while the infamous Mrs. Maia of LBT VI is portrayed as a two-legged dinosaur, in subsequent movies Maiasaura is depicted as being chiefly quadrupedal.
I can't think of an LBT word for "teenager" at this time, though your comment did remind me; in "The Big Longneck Test", Grandpa Longneck refers to something called "the Time of Great Growing", which I presume refers to adolescence. Maybe I should add that term to the glossary.
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Oddly enough, while the infamous Mrs. Maia of LBT VI is portrayed as a two-legged dinosaur, in subsequent movies Maiasaura is depicted as being chiefly quadrupedal.
Aren't the others just walking on their hands?
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^ Well...yeah, but...same thing. :p