The Gang of Five
The Land Before Time => General Land Before Time => Topic started by: WeirdRaptor on May 19, 2005, 10:30:11 PM
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First of all, which of sequels do you have a problem with, if you have any with any of the sequels? What do you find wrong with it? Why do you want to change it? And how would you change it?
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LBT 7 was the first one I had a serious problem with. The whole somewhat undefined thing about the stone of cold fire (what do they really expect it to do anyway) seems a bit strange, but I guess I could live with that one.
What I certainly would change about LBT 7 is the leaving of the rainbowfaces. Aliens from outer space belong into a different kind of story. It rather try to make their parting similar (not identical) to Doc's so everyone could interpret them for the own liking (I do see that there seems to be a paradox in my argumentation as I would prefer a clearer defined stone of cold fire but less clearer defined Rainbowfaces). Also I would do some changes of colors (no way there would be green lava in a movie if I had to decide about it).
LBT 8 does have an interesting story and no serious conflict with the way the world of LBT as presented in earlier sequels. Still I think there would be many changes about the way the story would be presented if I had to decide about it. First of all I would definitely make the sharptooth more threatening, dangerous, and not simply be defeated by a snowball being roled towards him (they'd really have to cause an avalanche for this in a story of mine, an avalanche perhaps which could endanger them as well. There is something like that in an LBT winter story I wrote before LBT 8). Also there are several color changes I would may. No deep green skies, no red to show that water is warm (this could be indicated through vapour above it), less extreme color changes to indicate the characters being warm or cold (e.g. I wouldn't create a deep grey Ducky but rather let the characters shiver or rattle their teeth more obviously. In general the effects of the coldness could be shown more obviously). I would certainly do some changes about Tippy. Perhaps in color, but certainly in his way of acting. Give him more of a character without being too silly. Perhaps I would let him utter complete sentences with some shortcommings in correctness as shown by Petrie or Ducky sometimes. I wouldn't allow a hot volcanic spring to freeze over in my version of LBT 8. There could be something else, like a geysir. Finally, if the green stuff around the hot spring is supposed to support the Great Valley dinosaurs and the spiketails for the whole cold time, I would certainly make it look like it is enough. In the movie the tiny bit of green appears almost ridiculous, more like a morsel than a food supply to last for an undefined long time. They could have come up with other ideas algae in the hot spring for example or needles of conifers (which may not be tasty, but might do to keep them alive).
LBT 10 is probably the most difficult one for me to handle. It strongly contradicts a story I'm writing at the moment (something I'd have to live with) and it seriously contradicts earlier movies (something I cannot accept). I guess I would end up with a whole different story in this case. Bron would have to come up with much better a reason for not being around all the time, the solar eclipse would be presented very differently (not like a falling shadow and without meteors to enhance the effect. Also I don't think I'd let a solar eclipse be the reason for all longnecks (excluding, Ali and her herd, Doc, and obviously parts of Brons herd) to head to a crater in the middle of nowhere. The sharpteeth would have to be much more dangerous ("I wouldn't tolerate a quote like sharpteeth are cowards!" in my story). And if Littlefoot was confronted with the choice of sticking with his father or returning to the valley, I would certainly let Cera, Ducky, Petrie, and Spike also show some reactions other than the one during the song "Bestest friends". Don't get me wrong, the song is quite okay, but I would let them also show some more sadness, and attempts to keep Littlefoot with them.
Which sequels would you change in which way Weird Raptor?
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I reserve comment since I've a feeling most here know how I already feel about sequels to anything. ;)
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I'm sorry for those who can't enjoy the sequels at all and envy those who so thoroughly love the original movie to make them such devoted fans without even the sequels doing some of the effect.
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State away, Arvens. It seems only you two want to pay my LBT discussions any attention.
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Which sequels would you change yourself Weird Raptor? And in which way?
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State away, Arvens. It seems only you two want to pay my LBT discussions any attention.
Oh really?! And who said your topics were a Malte & Arvens flying zone only WeirdRaptor! LOL :p I've only posted recently coz my uni course has pretty much ended for the term...had deadlines I was up till 4.30am working on for at least 3 consecutive nights :( Won't be repeating THAT move in a hurry!
Sequels I'd change...hmm...? To be honest, I can't say. I don't have a problem with ANY of the sequels to the point I'd wanna change them. I'd probably iron out all the little animation glitches and/or mistakes made in them but I wouldn't completely alter any of the sequels. They'll never beat the original but still, I'm happy with 'em nonetheless
What about u Raptor? What're your sequels you'd wanna change?
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I don't see anything wrong with them at all. I enjoyed watching every single one of them. I've been looking through them over and over again rewatching them that I kind of made a LBT story of my own called Land Before Time: The Journey to the Great Lake.
Link: www.fanfiction.net/~threehorn <<< this link takes you to my story lists. the ones I've made in present and past.
so what do you don't like WeridRaptor about LBT seques?
-Threehorn
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I'd probably iron out all the little animation glitches and/or mistakes made in them but I wouldn't completely alter any of the sequels.
Now that you mention it Littlefoot-1616, another thing I would iron out that is not exactly a glitch in the original sense of the word, but comes across like one as far as I'm concerned. I would definitely erase the "and the landscape turned red effect" that took place in some dangerous situations ever since LBT 5.
What about your Weird Raptor? Which changes would you make? The interest is imense.
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Oh yeah, I didn't.
Well, for #2 and #5, I'd definitely not have avoided the whole ackward situation about Chomper being a sharptooth, the way both Smith and Grovenor did. They did go over a bit, but not in the deapth I was hoping, even at ages 9 and 12.
Plus, I've increasingly become less and less tolerant of musical cartoons. I'd probably have done allt he sequels in the story-structure style of the original. Although I do love the first three sequels.
For #6. Well...the character Doc was well handled, but that was about it. Plus, I felt like I was watching a rip-off of "The Lone Ranger". Something I did not appreciate. And, NO COUNTRY MUSIC SINGING DINOSAURS!!!!!!!! And the whole "Bad Luck" theme (and song) drove me nuts.
For #7, Could they have given Petrie's uncle a less annoying and melodramatic voice? Plus, I'm no fan of Michael York. Someone like Alan Rickman or Tim Curry might have given Pterano more presence as a villain. Petrie was a bit too fascinated and fooled by his uncle for my tastes. Petrie may not be the brightest bult in the box, but I'd always given him more credit than the filmmakers did in this one. The two other villains were too annoying and it seemed like they trying to copy both Scrut and Ozie and Ril and Itchy with those two. Plus, they left no impression on me. Scrut and Ozie, Dil and Itchy, and the sharpteeth had credibility as villains. Not these two. Don't even get me started on the Rainbow faces...
For #8, actually, it wasn't too bad, but that new spiketail, whatever his name was, drove me nuts! The story was more well-handled than in the previous attempts.
For #9, actually, I have no problems with this one.
For #10, I have no serious problems with this one, other than how Bron was handled. Bron, I don't think, was a bad character, just a victem of bad writing.
For #11, I haven't seen it enough to times to remember everything like I can with the others yet.
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Alright, honestly I'd kill the singing in all the sequels; the original did fine without it, and there's no reason the rest couldn't have done the same and many films prove singing is not necessary (done by the characters themselves) for a popular film. Unfortunately, wouldn't you know all the sequels were made during the time of the "animated musicals" so they must sing sing SING!!! -_- Really, just axe all the songs, but then the storyline might not have been as exciting for their target audience so I guess I'd be the axed one if I happened to be a storyboard writer.....
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Actually, the fact that it was a sequel to LBT probably would have made some sales,then word of mouth. The series would have been just as successful without all the infernal singing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Probably, and I admit that when I first heard them singing it send shudders down my back and I turned the volume down when I watched it. However, if I had the possibility to decide that that all the songs were never made, I would decide for the songs. For besides the really poor ones there were also some okay, and some I really wouldn't want to miss (e.g. No one has to be alone).
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I think the idea of the sing-a-long songs was to generate some means of a spin-off products. There are videos dedictated just to the s-a-ls and I'm pretty sure there's at least one CD out there which has s-a-ls on it up to about #4...I think. Also, if you look at the DVDs now they have backtracked s-a-ls as Bonus Features complete with the glowing "follow the bouncing ball" words. I reckon the s-a-ls are there to entertain kids as a means to break-up the movie a bit so it doesnt become tedious, like a commercial break without the adverts. With kids, you've gotta be diverse moreso than with adults coz their attention span will dwindle if it's not simulated and refreshed every now and again. Adults will tend to sit through something just purely out of respect even though they are bored out of their brain!
I personally dont have a problem with the s-a-ls (not that I ever have a problem with anything to do with the LBTs LOL) but I have to admit, when anyone else happens to be watching the movie me, I tend to cringe at the thought of what my additional viewer is thinking as everyone suddenly starts bursting into song :lol Yesterday for example, I was watching LBT 11 and one of my housemates walked into my room a few minutes before a song was due to play, as soon as it did, I couldn't shake the feeling of what my friend was thinking... :unsure:
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I love the sing along songs. I even put a load of the tracks on a CD and listen to it on the way to college. So I like to listen to them, what I like and no one can stop it :lol
Some ppl don't like some of the songs but you EVEN said to Avrens you think the Bestest Friends song was a touching song that even you said to me that it right song for the right moment. maybe you forgot that you said that to me, but I remember it. :)
-Threehorn
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But did the original film need those songs?
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But did the original film need those songs?
How'd you mean? In terms of what I said? Obviously we all know that there was only Diana Ross's IWHOT at the end of the original but if you think about it, LBT 1 has a total running time just short of an hour (not including the credits), but the other LBTs run from 1h 5mins right up to nearly 1hr 30mins now. LBT 1 was dramatically shortened because it was feared by the makers that kids would switch off and get bored. It was even written by Don Bluth that it was decided to cut the film because it was thought of as being too long (much to Bluth's disapproval). The sequels inc. the s-a-ls pad the movie out and pose as a fun little break for kids who are taking in the story
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But did the original nee dany songs to be a darn good movie?
Actualy, even from age 9, I liked none-musical cartoon than musical ones.
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To answer your question, to me, the original didn't need any songs. I still watched the darn thing countless times a week. :yes Don't ask how I didn't manage to burn a whole in the tape playing it over and over like I did. I even recorded the audio on cassette through one of those cheesy tape recorders with the plastic microphones so I could listen to it on road trips. :lol: :lol: The original didn't need songs to keep my attention.
I can't speak for everyone but that's where I stand.
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I think you do speak for everyone in saying that about the original. If the original didn't need the songs, the sequel don't.
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If you say so Weirdraptor. In my view I DON'T mind the songs at all I have stored all the songs on my computer and even put them on a disc to listen to. I say that some songs on LBT have moral in it and that a damn good thing. I know it other ppls view think it shouldn't but you have to think of one thing.
It was over 8 years before LBT 2 came out. 1988 the first one then they brought out number two in 1996. There is a massive gap between them and that changes in the present showed at the time sing along songs in films was a sccuess so they did it and it progressed from there. Some hate the sing along songs but many say other wise.
just depends on taste.
-Threehorn
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But did the original film need those songs?
I think you do speak for everyone in saying that about the original. If the original didn't need the songs, the sequel don't.
The original film didn't need the songs and I think that the sequels could have been produced without.
However, the original isn't the sequels and the sequels aren't the original. I don't think it was sooo bad an idea. Some of the songs, I think, are an elegant alternative to what otherwise would have to be expressed in rather clumsy dialogues.
I too recorded almost all the songs (one exception) on a CD.
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If well handled, the dialogue wouldn't be "clumsy".
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Sure, not necessarily. However I suppose a dialogue in the place of for example "kids like us" would sound very "educational".
I for my part can live with the songs.
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And on the flipside of that, they managed just fine without all those songs in the original, with the life lessons.
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I don't question that and I don't mean to convince you of my point of view. But the fact that great movies can be produced without songs doesn't degrade all movies that do have songs in them. The lessons in the first movie were more basic than at least some of the stuff where they put a song in.
I admit however that there are also songs where a dialogue probably would have done better (e.g. Who needs you?) or where the song sounded as arkward as a dialogue in the worst case might have (e.g. Good inside).
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I know that films with songs can be excellent, heck, I love the most recent "Phantom of the Opera" adaptation.
I just don't think the sequels necessarily needed to have the songs, since the original did get by without them, itself. Plus, you don't always have to outright say the lesson, you could just show it in action, kids often pick up on stuff like that, too.
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I'm not against the idea of the LBT sequels having songs, but I don't really like the quality of many of the songs so far. One thing I really don't like is the goofy, bubbly modern-kiddie atmosphere prevalent in so many songs, because they feel out of place in a prehistoric world where dinosaurs roam the landscape. I think a more appropriate atmosphere would be similar to that present in The Lion King, Tarzan, or Dinosaur, with tribal drums and wooden flutes. I think they would fit more snugly into the prehistoric environment of LBT.
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I'm not convinced. I can't say I'm a massive fan of the s-a-ls but I don't think that they degrade the quality of the film. Of course LBT 1 worked perfectly without the songs but I don't think the s-a-ls make the sequels any worse. I think the main reason why they are continued was because when Smith did them for #2 and continued them up to #4, when Grosvenor took over, he felt he had to carry on the trait. And I'm sure the girl(s) who produce the s-a-ls had a certain amount of say in their inclusion.
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But notice that the sequels weren't as good as the original.
I'm not convinced that they needed to songs and such.
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The original is always gonna be the best coz it's the one that starts it all off. On the odd occasion you get the sequels out matching the original but still, I dont think that's any reason to dislike them anymore. I really enjoy the sequels and I'm kinda surprised they didn't make LBT into a running cartoon series (you know...more like 30min episodes) but I'm glad they decided to keep it all as feature length films.
Songs or no...I've got no problem with them
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I really enjoy the sequels and I'm kinda surprised they didn't make LBT into a running cartoon series (you know...more like 30min episodes) but I'm glad they decided to keep it all as feature length films.
My words exactly!
Actually it is quite useless to keep being annoyed about the songs, as they can't be taken out. I'm lucky not to dislike the songs and even liking some of them very much. I get annoyed about shortcommings in story plots rather than songs (not that brooding on that would be any less pointless than keep being annoyed about songs).
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Getting back to topic, what would you change if you could?
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That's what I said:
LBT 7 was the first one I had a serious problem with. The whole somewhat undefined thing about the stone of cold fire (what do they really expect it to do anyway) seems a bit strange, but I guess I could live with that one.
What I certainly would change about LBT 7 is the leaving of the rainbowfaces. Aliens from outer space belong into a different kind of story. It rather try to make their parting similar (not identical) to Doc's so everyone could interpret them for the own liking (I do see that there seems to be a paradox in my argumentation as I would prefer a clearer defined stone of cold fire but less clearer defined Rainbowfaces). Also I would do some changes of colors (no way there would be green lava in a movie if I had to decide about it).
LBT 8 does have an interesting story and no serious conflict with the way the world of LBT as presented in earlier sequels. Still I think there would be many changes about the way the story would be presented if I had to decide about it. First of all I would definitely make the sharptooth more threatening, dangerous, and not simply be defeated by a snowball being roled towards him (they'd really have to cause an avalanche for this in a story of mine, an avalanche perhaps which could endanger them as well. There is something like that in an LBT winter story I wrote before LBT 8). Also there are several color changes I would may. No deep green skies, no red to show that water is warm (this could be indicated through vapour above it), less extreme color changes to indicate the characters being warm or cold (e.g. I wouldn't create a deep grey Ducky but rather let the characters shiver or rattle their teeth more obviously. In general the effects of the coldness could be shown more obviously). I would certainly do some changes about Tippy. Perhaps in color, but certainly in his way of acting. Give him more of a character without being too silly. Perhaps I would let him utter complete sentences with some shortcommings in correctness as shown by Petrie or Ducky sometimes. I wouldn't allow a hot volcanic spring to freeze over in my version of LBT 8. There could be something else, like a geysir. Finally, if the green stuff around the hot spring is supposed to support the Great Valley dinosaurs and the spiketails for the whole cold time, I would certainly make it look like it is enough. In the movie the tiny bit of green appears almost ridiculous, more like a morsel than a food supply to last for an undefined long time. They could have come up with other ideas algae in the hot spring for example or needles of conifers (which may not be tasty, but might do to keep them alive).
LBT 10 is probably the most difficult one for me to handle. It strongly contradicts a story I'm writing at the moment (something I'd have to live with) and it seriously contradicts earlier movies (something I cannot accept). I guess I would end up with a whole different story in this case. Bron would have to come up with much better a reason for not being around all the time, the solar eclipse would be presented very differently (not like a falling shadow and without meteors to enhance the effect. Also I don't think I'd let a solar eclipse be the reason for all longnecks (excluding, Ali and her herd, Doc, and obviously parts of Brons herd) to head to a crater in the middle of nowhere. The sharpteeth would have to be much more dangerous ("I wouldn't tolerate a quote like sharpteeth are cowards!" in my story). And if Littlefoot was confronted with the choice of sticking with his father or returning to the valley, I would certainly let Cera, Ducky, Petrie, and Spike also show some reactions other than the one during the song "Bestest friends". Don't get me wrong, the song is quite okay, but I would let them also show some more sadness, and attempts to keep Littlefoot with them.
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I've pitched in my penny's worth...remember me saying this at all?...
Sequels I'd change...hmm...? To be honest, I can't say. I don't have a problem with ANY of the sequels to the point I'd wanna change them. I'd probably iron out all the little animation glitches and/or mistakes made in them but I wouldn't completely alter any of the sequels. They'll never beat the original but still, I'm happy with 'em nonetheless
Dont think I can add anything more to that from my POV... :D
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I skip past the songs everytime they come on. I just don't think they are necessary in telling the story. They are just too kiddy. I wouldn't mind it if they had sung "If We Hold On Together" in the first movie. It is a beautiful song.
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Totally.
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I, for one, like songs in movies. Especially the LBT songs. Most of the songs are great, and I really like. But, some just sound really bad. I agree that they could have made the sequels great without songs or with very few songs. But, I have no problem with the songs, I love (most of) them. :p
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Like I said in the past I have no trouble with the songs from LBT I even have all of them stored on my computer and listen to them whenever I like too. I have around 35 or so tracks some from pop stars singging the song for the end and the song on LBT 11 they just as good.
That my POV anyways...
-Threehorn
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I agree with you all on the singing issue. he singing is kinda silly. However, I did like the "Always There" song from LBT#5. It was kinda heartwarming. By the way, I know my spelling and grammer is horrible. but I have a problem with my blasted keyboard.
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Ah, there are a few alterations I'd prefer, but this is the one that screams "Change me!" the most as far as I can tell. Of course this: my opinion. This is not: a fact I know that not everyone feels the same one. So please, if everyone else likes these parts, great! I think no less of anyone for a simple matter of the differeing of one's opinions, so please respond thus, and please don't feel that I'm "bashing" a scene you may like. I just think that they could use improvement. Ahem:
Movie: The Land Before Time IX: Journey to Big Water.
Scenes: The times Mo saves the whole gang twice and just Littlefoot once.
Explanation of first time: The "bad swimmer" swam up to the surface, ready to gobble one or more of the gang, but Mo saved them by tying a vine to his tail so he couldn't quite get to them.
My reason for disliking it: Nobody ever found out Mo saved them there. In fact, Cera got angry at Mo because she thought his warning was just him laughing. He thinks this whole thing is funny.
So because of Mo, we have the rest of IX, along with X-XIII and the episodes, but he gets no special positive attention for it, only the opposite. It is very clear that Mo does not want praise, nor does he do things for that, because if so, he would have asked for it.
Mo is one of those guys that does things because they are right, not to get thank-yous in return. But those types should be thanked all the more, and the fact that the movie ends with the gang still oblivious to the first save Mo made for them, well, I feel bad for him and I'm angered as well. I don't use this word often, so you'll understand my emphasis. I "hate" every time one character saves another or multiple ones, and the savees never find out.
Yeah, the viewers know, so we can appreciate them. But viewers can't thank someone in a screen. It is disheartening seeing such deeds go without notice, for I feel for things like saving others' lives is never something that should be hidden from other characters in the show, and especially the ones who are breathing because of it. I just can't stand that.
How I would change it: Perhaps this one simple, extra, innocent comment from Mo after the gang is safe. "Mud brothers all okay? That really close. Mo hoped to stop that "bad swimmer" before it get you."
That would take of the "problem" right there. Then others would know why they're alive right then, and would surely have plenty of kind things to say to him about that. My way would show that Mo didn't ask for a thank-you, he only wanted to make sure his mud brothers were okay and that he did what he could to ensure that.
Another thing confused me.
Explanation of second time: I know the gang saw Mo save them the second time, you know, when they're all in that log and they see the "bad swimmer" nearly upon them. Mo slams his mouth shut at the last moment With the kids looking out, I doubt they missed that save at least.
How I would change it: Would a repeat of Ducky's simple Thank you for saving me.
that she offered Spike for merely pulling her out of a small hole really be too much to ask here too? Onlt this time that statement can be used literally.
On my last word of the "saving/grattitude factor."
Explanation of third time: After Mo saves Littlefoot from drowning, Mo says how beautiful Littlefoot's world is. Littlefoot says, I know. Thanks Mo.
I can't tell if he is thanking Mo for the compliment of his world, or how Mo just saved his life.
How I would change it: A little grammar change will clear that right up. "I know it's beautiful. Thanks Mo. And I wouldn't be able enjoy it anymore if not for you just now." That takes all confusion out quite nicely, I think.
I'm sorry for this extreme passion of mine, but the element in shows and stories that bother me the most are when characters do something really nice for others, like saving their lives, and not only don't get thanked, but no one is ever made aware that it happened. Yes, heroes and heroines are usually defined by doing what is right for that reason alone, but with all the creative authors in the world, there must be some way for the others to find out what happened.
This is what I'd change more than anything. Most people here know that I must thank people when they do things for me because you all deserve nothing less for taking your time to do that. Making sure gratitude is given where and when it's due is something that is apart of me. When I see someone going to all kinds of trouble for others and getting no gratitude, it grieves me. In real life, I can whisper, "Yeah, she appreciated you doing that, she just didn't know how to say it." In a cartoon though, no such interaction is a possiblity.
Do you realize how badly I just wanted to pull Mo aside and say, "Mo, they all thank you from the bottoms of their hearts, knowing they still beat on account of you. They are just children though, so appreciation can be neglected in expression, but they do think the world of you for what you did, and how much you risked to do it."
Whenever I see any forgotten gratefullness, be it movie, show, or story, where it is due of the highest respect, like here, just know beforehand that I will be saddened greatly by it. Such things should not be. How can I not speak against them?
I would also bring up my distaste for Littlefoot getting Cera that green food but saying nothing so Cera thought that she got it, because I have much to say on that as well. I'll have to discuss that elsewhere though since this thread specifically asks for sequals, and this happens in movie I. Later.
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I would also bring up my distaste for Littlefoot getting Cera that green food but saying nothing so Cera thought that she got it, because I have much to say on that as well. I'll have to discuss that elsewhere though since this thread specifically asks for sequals, and this happens in movie I. Later.
Credit where credit is due, but I think that the sense of the scene would have been lost if Cera had noticed or (worse) if Littlefoot had claimed credit. Cera was too proud to accept any help and I think the main point of that scene was to show that in spite of her attitude and in spite of his owing her nothing Littlefoot still helped her rather than leaving her hungry or trying to humiliate her. Even Cera's boasts did not cause more than rolled eyes from him. Any other attitude of Littlefoot would have been plausible, but not special.
Other characters may also consider the pleasure of doing something right sufficient reward without thirsting for applause (least of all the kind of applause they would have to demand rather than the kind that would be bestowed on them on the initiative of the one "owing" gratitude).
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I could do without some, but not all, of the songs. Other than that, however, the only thing I would've changed is the super high pitched voices of the gang in some of the sequels. That's pretty much it for me.
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I would also bring up my distaste for Littlefoot getting Cera that green food but saying nothing so Cera thought that she got it, because I have much to say on that as well. I'll have to discuss that elsewhere though since this thread specifically asks for sequals, and this happens in movie I. Later.
Credit where credit is due, but I think that the sense of the scene would have been lost if Cera had noticed or (worse) if Littlefoot had claimed credit. Cera was too proud to accept any help and I think the main point of that scene was to show that in spite of her attitude and in spite of his owing her nothing Littlefoot still helped her rather than leaving her hungry or trying to humiliate her. Even Cera's boasts did not cause more than rolled eyes from him. Any other attitude of Littlefoot would have been plausible, but not special.
Other characters may also consider the pleasure of doing something right sufficient reward without thirsting for applause (least of all the kind of applause they would have to demand rather than the kind that would be bestowed on them on the initiative of the one "owing" gratitude).
I like how that scene went. Littlefoot is protective of his friends and does not ask for anything in return when he helps them. For him to boast or take credit for his actions would only contradict this part of his nature.
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LBT 13 was a great story but the overall seriousness level was waaaaaaay below what it should have been. Just make the "yellow bellies" a bit more believable and serious and it would have been a perfect sequel.
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I'd be much more judicious with the songs. There are some places where they are perfectly appropriate. The use of Peaceful Valley in the beginning and the end is a prime example.
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maybe keeping or putting back in some of the feel of the earlier sequels. One can have a serious story and still have some comedy in it.
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I like the movies the way they are.
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I love the sing along songs. I even put a load of the tracks on a CD and listen to it on the way to college. So I like to listen to them, what I like and no one can stop it :lol
Some ppl don't like some of the songs but you EVEN said to Avrens you think the Bestest Friends song was a touching song that even you said to me that it right song for the right moment. maybe you forgot that you said that to me, but I remember it. :)
-Threehorn
I do too!!!! Only on my way to high school. Not college yet, but I most definitely will in college too!!! That is awesome. Don't ever change.
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Absolutely Nothing there all OK to me.
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I'd have part of the 4th movie rewritten so Ali's mass teleport/fast travel power is removed. The only way she can get back to the great valley, get littlefoot's friends and get back to the site of the cave in all in the 6 minutes that littlefoot gets to meet the movies's main 2 bad guys and Archie and do a few scenes. & also to get back to the great valley before the night flowers even begin to wilt.
Likely best no one's liked any of my rp ideas since if I did one I would let Ali, if she was playable, have the mass teleport/fast travel power she exibits in teh 4th movie.
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That is a plothole, that could be adressed, in a sequel..
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Maybe her herd or just Ali herself were / was experimented on to give her or them the ability by someone whoever the 7th movie rainbowfaces work for.
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No, I think it was simply for expediency's sake. realistically, it would take Ali a good half hour to an hour to get from to the tunnel to the Great Valley again..
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I timed it, during the time she was traveling to the great valley littlefoot was onscreen for about 3 minutes, with no places for several days or weeks to pass unless they say time stopped within the cave. and on the way back from the great valley with Littlefoot's friends it took her and them about 6 mintues, also with no places for gaps of time while Littlefoot was on screen, the 9-10 minutes that littlefoot was onscreen seem pretty seamless to me with no spots where one can easily say several days, weeks, hours passed. & why didn't the flowers wilt on the way back? They didn't since it took them only about 7-10 minutes to get back to the great valley thanks to ali's power.
Like I said, good thing no one was interested in any of my stupid rp thread ideas since I'd have to allow ali, if she was playable to have that power. Though it's only good for long distance travel only, not short distance. Else she would have just popped to the other side of the cave in to get littlefoot.
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If they had not been seperated, there would have been no reason for Ali to go back to get the others... without that cavein, it would have simply been Ali and Littlefoot tofgether for 90 minutes..
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Or littlefoot standing his ground in the great valley and going to get his friends. I'd have had hiim do that, stand up to ali. say he & his friends have been through a lot together. They faced many dangers together and traveled to the great valley together and wether she likes it or not they'll be traveling with him to get the night flowers.
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There hadn't been any reason for him to bring them with.. in fact she had convinced him not to take the others.. and that was Ali showing her wiles, to get Littlefoot to do as she wanted...
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Still if he had stood his ground that would have removed that plot hole that shows ali does have a power. it seems some dinos in the lbt world do have a power.
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Not a power in the sense the Rainbowfaces showded in thier leaving which was far too Star Trek-like for my taste.. No, its the same power you or I have.. we can convince someone to do something. For example I could convince you to try rocky road ice cream..
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all that sugar and how knows what else. My intestines hate that stuff. I don't want to be anywhere near it.
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Then how about a soft pretzel? :)
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I would want to change the 13th one by changeing the yellow bellies to a different dinosaur. Why do I want to? because I have NO CLUE what kind of dinosaur they are?? :rolleyes
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I'd change the 13th movie also; my biggest change would be this:
Make Littlefoot sound like how he did in the 10th-12th movies. His vocal pitch in those ones is right where I like to hear it.
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The Land Before Time 1
;) Well not change but try to bring back its originality.
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For one thing, II lost some of my satisfaction with the unresolved issue of the tension between those brothers. (I was so displeased that I wrote a fan fiction about a resolution that takes place afterwards.) So two characters, Ozzie and Strut, are brought in who have family issues. Strut tries to change for his brother (not a good thing, as if someone can’t accept you for who you are, it’s an issue of acceptance from the other, not your own problem) and we never get to see if they reach some sort of mutual feeling towards each other. Basically, I felt that II didn’t “end.” So I would change it into something like, Strut being responsible for how they survive Chomperës parents, and so Ozzie’s disposition softens somewhat, though he tries to hide it, then they go off together, find another nest, and Ozzie offers him the first bite while acting like he doesn’t want to at all.
About IV, considering all the romantic fan fictions between Littlefoot and Ali, I think a slight love interest hint would have been nice to substantiate them, as some people object to their love relationship, and an in-movie foreshadowing would make such stories more accepted.
In VI, I think explaining Doc, such as if he’s related to the first or something, would have been appreciated.
In regards to movie VII, not exactly a change, but I wish a later movie or episode that explained the rainbowfaces would have really been appreciated, as so many people really want to know about them, but I think the mysterious ending of that movie was brilliant.
In general, explaining what happened to missing family members would eliminate a great deal of speculation.
In X, I just wish they had made that dramatic scene believable. The longnecks stretch up their heads during the eclipse, the eclipse ends, and they believe they saved the world. I don’t get it. Why did they think tensing their muscles had anything to do with the sun coming back into view :huh:? Either change what they did or explain why they felt how they did would have really made that movie more believable.
The eleventh movie had a lot of complaints from parents about the dad song, feeling it was derogatory. Secondly, I think noble Littlefoot was not the best choice to be the liar, and furthermore, if it was Cera, I think the reaction at the end would have been greater, being as she’s the daughter of the one who is trying to fix everything. That might have even put him in his place, knowing that he was working to solve a problem his own daughter caused. This would cause several changes, I know, but I still think it was kind of rough attributing such a negative quality to someone so admired. Sure, stronger connections to characters when they fall has a bigger impact, but people did lose some respect for him after that.
Movie number twelve- two issues: Don’t give two mysteries you never explain! One, I can understand, but two? First, Ducky says it’s bad to wake someone sleepwalking, but she nor anyone else ever says why, so I’ve always wondered what would be so horrible about it. Secondly, where was Guido before coming to the Great Valley, and why on earth had he no memory? Does this mean he had amnesia or something? Ah, come on, movie, tell me! Heh heh heh, oh well. I just feel some explanations would have helped this movie.
As for the Wisdom of Friends, I feel that the logical and illogical aspects of the yellowbellies were too unbalanced. They were like two points logical and eight points illogical, too extreme for an entire herd, if you ask me.
For the sake of length, I’ll stop here. :wave
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I'd change the 10th movie. Littlefoot's reunion with his father should have been a lot more dramatic.
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I'd change the 13th movie because it was god awful from start to finish.
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Littlefoot would have accepted the blame right from the get-go in "Invasion of the Tinyasaurs" under my direction.
Seriously, this kid crossed a barren wasteland to get to his new paradise after having suffered the trauma of losing his mother and then was further emotionally scarred several more times over by the time the journey was over. Then, after getting to this paradise for leaf eaters, has gone on numerous other quests and journeys since. Seriously, what's a week's grounding to Littlefoot?
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I hear you on that this subject. If I was the director I would make all the parent dinosaurs give there kids some kind of punishment.
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Absolutely Grandma and Grandpa would have punished Littlefoot, and Littlefoot, basically being a hardened veteran, would have gracefully accept it.
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Yeah I mean in the movies they brake all kinds of rules and the parents let them get away with it.
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Well, to be fair, their rule breaking usually results in the events working out to a satisfactory conclusion.
In LBT2: They disobeyed and accidentally let two sharpteeth into the valley. Being almost eaten could arguably be seen as punishment enough.
LBT3: They found the source of the clog and led everyone to safety during the fire. Even after some rule breaking, that'd be one hell of a conundrum to figure out how to deal with them.
LBT4: yes, they ran away, but they did cure Littlefoot's Grandpa.
LBT5: yes, they ran away (again), but they did keep the herds together which resulted in them finding a tempterary home until the Great Valley regrew.
LBT6: No excuse for that one.
LBT7: Well, the adults DID spend a long time just talking instead of rescuing Ducky.
LBT8: Well, they did take an adult with them this time and they found warm springs to keep everyone's body heat up until the cold ended.
LBT9: None that I can think of.
LBT10: Well, we don't know that the gang didn't get in trouble after they followed Littlefoot.
LBT11: Hell yes, Littlefoot should have been punished. I still can't fathom what terrified him about being punished for something he did wron after all the real crap he's endured.
LBT12: Never saw it, don't want to.
LBT 13: I remember pain. That's about it.
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What I certainly would change about LBT 7 is the leaving of the rainbowfaces. Aliens from outer space belong into a different kind of story. It rather try to make their parting similar (not identical) to Doc's
What?! :blink: Nooooo!! Their "exteresatrial departure" is so cool, even if it went against the rules of LBT!!! No, no, no, it wouldn't have nearly as cool of a feel if it was like Doc's which was kind of sad
Anyways back to me, I'd tone down the yellows and red in 5 and 6, make Cera's nieces less annoying, cut out stupid songs like "Friends for dinner", make the animation always as good as it was in the first three sequels, get rid of 10-13 entirely, show more action scenes, make them longer, and overall give them a more mature feel.
Oh, and really fix Chomper's voice in 5.
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LBT 7 was the first one I had a serious problem with. The whole somewhat undefined thing about the stone of cold fire (what do they really expect it to do anyway) seems a bit strange, but I guess I could live with that one.
What I certainly would change about LBT 7 is the leaving of the rainbowfaces. Aliens from outer space belong into a different kind of story. It rather try to make their parting similar (not identical) to Doc's so everyone could interpret them for the own liking (I do see that there seems to be a paradox in my argumentation as I would prefer a clearer defined stone of cold fire but less clearer defined Rainbowfaces). Also I would do some changes of colors (no way there would be green lava in a movie if I had to decide about it).
LBT 8 does have an interesting story and no serious conflict with the way the world of LBT as presented in earlier sequels. Still I think there would be many changes about the way the story would be presented if I had to decide about it. First of all I would definitely make the sharptooth more threatening, dangerous, and not simply be defeated by a snowball being roled towards him (they'd really have to cause an avalanche for this in a story of mine, an avalanche perhaps which could endanger them as well. There is something like that in an LBT winter story I wrote before LBT 8). Also there are several color changes I would may. No deep green skies, no red to show that water is warm (this could be indicated through vapour above it), less extreme color changes to indicate the characters being warm or cold (e.g. I wouldn't create a deep grey Ducky but rather let the characters shiver or rattle their teeth more obviously. In general the effects of the coldness could be shown more obviously). I would certainly do some changes about Tippy. Perhaps in color, but certainly in his way of acting. Give him more of a character without being too silly. Perhaps I would let him utter complete sentences with some shortcommings in correctness as shown by Petrie or Ducky sometimes. I wouldn't allow a hot volcanic spring to freeze over in my version of LBT 8. There could be something else, like a geysir. Finally, if the green stuff around the hot spring is supposed to support the Great Valley dinosaurs and the spiketails for the whole cold time, I would certainly make it look like it is enough. In the movie the tiny bit of green appears almost ridiculous, more like a morsel than a food supply to last for an undefined long time. They could have come up with other ideas algae in the hot spring for example or needles of conifers (which may not be tasty, but might do to keep them alive).
LBT 10 is probably the most difficult one for me to handle. It strongly contradicts a story I'm writing at the moment (something I'd have to live with) and it seriously contradicts earlier movies (something I cannot accept). I guess I would end up with a whole different story in this case. Bron would have to come up with much better a reason for not being around all the time, the solar eclipse would be presented very differently (not like a falling shadow and without meteors to enhance the effect. Also I don't think I'd let a solar eclipse be the reason for all longnecks (excluding, Ali and her herd, Doc, and obviously parts of Brons herd) to head to a crater in the middle of nowhere. The sharpteeth would have to be much more dangerous ("I wouldn't tolerate a quote like sharpteeth are cowards!" in my story). And if Littlefoot was confronted with the choice of sticking with his father or returning to the valley, I would certainly let Cera, Ducky, Petrie, and Spike also show some reactions other than the one during the song "Bestest friends". Don't get me wrong, the song is quite okay, but I would let them also show some more sadness, and attempts to keep Littlefoot with them
Are you gonna talk about what you'd change for 5, or 9, or 4? I'm interested to see what you'd have to say about those ones.
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LBT 7 was the first one I had a serious problem with. The whole somewhat undefined thing about the stone of cold fire (what do they really expect it to do anyway) seems a bit strange, but I guess I could live with that one.
What I certainly would change about LBT 7 is the leaving of the rainbowfaces. Aliens from outer space belong into a different kind of story. It rather try to make their parting similar (not identical) to Doc's so everyone could interpret them for the own liking (I do see that there seems to be a paradox in my argumentation as I would prefer a clearer defined stone of cold fire but less clearer defined Rainbowfaces). Also I would do some changes of colors (no way there would be green lava in a movie if I had to decide about it).
LBT 8 does have an interesting story and no serious conflict with the way the world of LBT as presented in earlier sequels. Still I think there would be many changes about the way the story would be presented if I had to decide about it. First of all I would definitely make the sharptooth more threatening, dangerous, and not simply be defeated by a snowball being roled towards him (they'd really have to cause an avalanche for this in a story of mine, an avalanche perhaps which could endanger them as well. There is something like that in an LBT winter story I wrote before LBT 8). Also there are several color changes I would may. No deep green skies, no red to show that water is warm (this could be indicated through vapour above it), less extreme color changes to indicate the characters being warm or cold (e.g. I wouldn't create a deep grey Ducky but rather let the characters shiver or rattle their teeth more obviously. In general the effects of the coldness could be shown more obviously). I would certainly do some changes about Tippy. Perhaps in color, but certainly in his way of acting. Give him more of a character without being too silly. Perhaps I would let him utter complete sentences with some shortcommings in correctness as shown by Petrie or Ducky sometimes. I wouldn't allow a hot volcanic spring to freeze over in my version of LBT 8. There could be something else, like a geysir. Finally, if the green stuff around the hot spring is supposed to support the Great Valley dinosaurs and the spiketails for the whole cold time, I would certainly make it look like it is enough. In the movie the tiny bit of green appears almost ridiculous, more like a morsel than a food supply to last for an undefined long time. They could have come up with other ideas algae in the hot spring for example or needles of conifers (which may not be tasty, but might do to keep them alive).
LBT 10 is probably the most difficult one for me to handle. It strongly contradicts a story I'm writing at the moment (something I'd have to live with) and it seriously contradicts earlier movies (something I cannot accept). I guess I would end up with a whole different story in this case. Bron would have to come up with much better a reason for not being around all the time, the solar eclipse would be presented very differently (not like a falling shadow and without meteors to enhance the effect. Also I don't think I'd let a solar eclipse be the reason for all longnecks (excluding, Ali and her herd, Doc, and obviously parts of Brons herd) to head to a crater in the middle of nowhere. The sharpteeth would have to be much more dangerous ("I wouldn't tolerate a quote like sharpteeth are cowards!" in my story). And if Littlefoot was confronted with the choice of sticking with his father or returning to the valley, I would certainly let Cera, Ducky, Petrie, and Spike also show some reactions other than the one during the song "Bestest friends". Don't get me wrong, the song is quite okay, but I would let them also show some more sadness, and attempts to keep Littlefoot with them
I really like your ideas, although I wouldn't have the rainbowfaces departure be like Doc's---it's not supposed to be sad, it's supposed to be a moment of pure awesomeness---which it was! :) As for 8, I really loved the beautiful deep green skies and the way the charactrers changed to duller colors when they got cold. It's awesome. ;)
But I want to see what you'd change about my favorites, like 5 and 9! Whyd din't you include those? I'm curious to see what you would change!
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Well this is kind of tricky seeing as there are 3 LBT films I really didn't like.
I'll start with my most hated (LBT 6) and say what changes I'd make to the 2 others another time.
Ok the one main change I would make to LBT 6 is, omitted Dinah and Dana.
They are the core reason I hated the 6th film soo much.
Their only purpose was for a reason for the gang to go to saurus rock.
All they did the rest of the time was get on Cera's wick and make a fool of her.
With a few changes and re-writes the film would have been better off without them.
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LBT 4: I would have loved if Littlefoot had a crush on Ali or the other way around. Still a great movie though :)
LBT 5: The famous colour issue *sigh*
LBT 6: My least favourite sequel as well (at the moment, that is. Changes from time to time...). Though for different reasons... I actually don't mind the twins. What really annoys me is Littlefoot idolising Doc... The story line wasn't that good imo...
LBT 7: The red colour again... While I'm well aware of the un-LBT-ish departure of the Rainbowfaces, I don't really mind it for it's kinda mysterious and well done... Oh, and green lava looks somewhat mysterious as well.
LBT 8: No rant here but a reply to earlier statemnts: I actually did like the green skies and the red water :) More playing in the snow scenes would be nice :D
LBT 10: Add Ali.
LBT 13: Well... the Yellowbellies don't really look like the dinosaurs you get to see in the museums and in the documentaries...
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13, I feel like all the movies have the kid feel to it but this one was just to much.
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LBT 7 was the first one I had a serious problem with. The whole somewhat undefined thing about the stone of cold fire (what do they really expect it to do anyway) seems a bit strange, but I guess I could live with that one.
What I certainly would change about LBT 7 is the leaving of the rainbowfaces. Aliens from outer space belong into a different kind of story. It rather try to make their parting similar (not identical) to Doc's[ /B]so everyone could interpret them for the own liking (I do see that there seems to be a paradox in my argumentation as I would prefer a clearer defined stone of cold fire but less clearer defined Rainbowfaces). Also I would do some changes of colors (no way there would be green lava in a movie if I had to decide about it).
LBT 8 does have an interesting story and no serious conflict with the way the world of LBT as presented in earlier sequels. Still I think there would be many changes about the way the story would be presented if I had to decide about it. First of all I would definitely make the sharptooth more threatening, dangerous, and not simply be defeated by a snowball being roled towards him (they'd really have to cause an avalanche for this in a story of mine, an avalanche perhaps which could endanger them as well. There is something like that in an LBT winter story I wrote before LBT 8). Also there are several color changes I would may. No deep green skies, no red to show that water is warm (this could be indicated through vapour above it), less extreme color changes to indicate the characters being warm or cold (e.g. I wouldn't create a deep grey Ducky but rather let the characters shiver or rattle their teeth more obviously. In general the effects of the coldness could be shown more obviously). I would certainly do some changes about Tippy. Perhaps in color, but certainly in his way of acting. Give him more of a character without being too silly. Perhaps I would let him utter complete sentences with some shortcommings in correctness as shown by Petrie or Ducky sometimes. I wouldn't allow a hot volcanic spring to freeze over in my version of LBT 8. There could be something else, like a geysir. Finally, if the green stuff around the hot spring is supposed to support the Great Valley dinosaurs and the spiketails for the whole cold time, I would certainly make it look like it is enough. In the movie the tiny bit of green appears almost ridiculous, more like a morsel than a food supply to last for an undefined long time. They could have come up with other ideas algae in the hot spring for example or needles of conifers (which may not be tasty, but might do to keep them alive).
LBT 10 is probably the most difficult one for me to handle. It strongly contradicts a story I'm writing at the moment (something I'd have to live with) and it seriously contradicts earlier movies (something I cannot accept). I guess I would end up with a whole different story in this case. Bron would have to come up with much better a reason for not being around all the time, the solar eclipse would be presented very differently (not like a falling shadow and without meteors to enhance the effect. Also I don't think I'd let a solar eclipse be the reason for all longnecks (excluding, Ali and her herd, Doc, and obviously parts of Brons herd) to head to a crater in the middle of nowhere. The sharpteeth would have to be much more dangerous ("I wouldn't tolerate a quote like sharpteeth are cowards!" in my story). And if Littlefoot was confronted with the choice of sticking with his father or returning to the valley, I would certainly let Cera, Ducky, Petrie, and Spike also show some reactions other than the one during the song "Bestest friends". Don't get me wrong, the song is quite okay, but I would let them also show some more sadness, and attempts to keep Littlefoot with them.
Which sequels would you change in which way Weird Raptor?
1. Are you gonna do 1-6, 9, and 11-13? I'd love to hear what you'd change about the older sequels.
2. I don't think the rainbow faces' parting should have been like Doc's. That would take away what makes them rainbowfaces. And their parting isn't supposed to be sad but mysterious.
3. I personally loved the deep green skies and the characters' coloring. The red of the water was to bait-and-switch the viewer into thinking it was lava also, I think?
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I found 6 to be a little slow, but it was a nice story so I don't know what they could really add to it. I guess I'm just not a big fan of the ones where they don't go on a journey.
12 was the same way, 12 was actually my least favorite LBT movie. The part where they were following Guido was a total *yawn*. Not to mention he had wings, and was the same size and body type as Petrie, so why was it so hard for everyone to figure out that he could be a flyer? The only part I liked of that movie was Cera's story with her little sister and the song "Things Change".
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As mentioned here (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=12959.msg524055#msg524055), I had the idea to do fanfic novelizations of all the LBT films. I didn't think of as many ideas for each sequel as I did for that wall of text I wrote on the original, and would probably have come up with more ideas had I actually started writing these novelizations. Nonetheless, this is everything that I did come up with.
In general:
- The Gang's siblings would be more prominent in my novelizations than they were in the movies. They wouldn't be made into major characters or anything, but would otherwise have a more consistent presence throughout the series, to help paint a better picture of the Gang's family trees.
- The sharpteeth in the later sequels would be portrayed in a more menacing way.
- Cera's abrasiveness in some of the later sequels would be toned down and she'd be characterized more like she was in films #2-4.
II – The Great Valley Adventure
- The style and tone here would be made closer to the film film, moreso than the later sequels. There would be a lot of parallels between the first film/novelization and the second. It would be shown that Littlefoot misses his mother, and he has PTSD and occasional nightmares about the Sharptooth encounters from the original.
- It would be made clear that this takes place shortly after the first installment (unlike in the film where it was simply implied). The dinosaurs are still adjusting to their new lives inside the Great Valley, and the different species are still shown to be rather segregated from each other. They haven't yet learned to overcome their prejudices and mingle together, which makes the Gang of Five an uncomfortable oddity to their dinosaur society at large.
- Cera's mother and siblings would be given a supporting role, more prominent than their appearance in the first novel (to help set up what will be an even more prominent appearance in the third novel).
- Here, Littlefoot would be the least insistent about caring for baby Chomper, at least initially, considering he lost his mother to a sharptooth. Rather, it's Ducky and Petrie who decide to care for Chomper, although eventually Littlefoot warms up to Chomper as well.
- Despite the darker tone, Ozzy and Strut would remain as fairly comical characters... up until they're killed by Chomper's parents! This would happen shortly before the climax (and would be different from the film where their ultimate fate was left ambiguous).
- When Littlefoot's own grandparents and friends are threatened and nearly killed by the adult sharpteeth, it gives Littlefoot a fierce determination to take them down, again similar to the first film/novel. He and the other kids devise a plan similar to the one they had last time to try and kill Chomper's parents.
- ^The only thing that stops Littlefoot at the last minute is his realization that the adult sharpteeth are in fact Chomper's parents. Seeing that sharpteeth have families too is what convinces Littlefoot to spare them. The three sharpteeth reunite and end up leaving the valley together.
III – The Time of the Great Giving
- Much of the film's structure would be kept similar in the novelization for the most part. Compared to The Great Valley Adventure, I couldn't think of as many changes I would have wanted to make for this one.
- The biggest difference would be that, again, Cera's mother and siblings would have a supporting role here. There'd be more focus on Cera's family dynamics in general, given Topsy's role in the plot, and how each family member reacts to him trying to control the water supply.
- Cera's mother would be wounded during the climax with the fast biters and she would pass away shortly after the battle, explaining why she isn't around in any of the later films. Although Cera's siblings would survive in my version, and would continue to occasionally be seen later in the series.
- Because of this, the ending with the Time of the Great Giving and the redeemed bullies would remain, albeit with a much more bittersweet air given the circumstances.
IV – Journey Through the Mists
- The aftermath of Cera losing her mother would be explored, and it's shown that it gave her and Littlefoot something to bond over.
- Ali's mother would be slightly more fleshed out, and has a similar temperament to Littlefoot's mother. Early on, a scene where Littlefoot observes Ali and her mother from a distance with longing, and even some jealousy.
- The Old One and the other migrating longnecks still don't want to venture out to find the Nightflower, but their reasons for feeling this way would be better explained. Namely, that some of their herd members were killed while they were in the Land of Mists and that's why they don't want to go back there.
- As with the second novel, the story would be made darker and more emotional in places, since we are dealing with Littlefoot potentially losing another family member.
- Archie would be portrayed more closely to how Rooter was, to the point that Archie even reminds Littlefoot of "someone I met once."
- More time spent in the Land of Mists, showcasing its dark, ominous landscape.
- Despite that, Ichy and Dil would remain as comical characters. Maybe a bit more threatening, but their bickering dynamic with each other would remain. But as with Ozzy and Strut, their demise would be more clearly shown.
V – The Mysterious Island
- The story from the film would be expanded and adapted into two separate books. "The Mysterious Island - Part 1" would cover everything leading up to the island, while "Part 2" would begin once they arrive on the island. Because of this, both the desert trek to the island, and the kids' time on the island itself, would be longer and more fleshed out.
- The trek through the desert would explore the herd/character dynamics more (contrasting from the second part in which the majority of it is just the kids on their own), and would be expanded enough in general to tell a mini-story of its own to wrap up "Part 1" with.
- On the island, there'd be more scenes of them struggling to find food and water, encountering various dangers, and showing off more of the island's creepy atmosphere.
- Topsy's prejudiced comments against other dinosaurs would be removed (which would apply to the later sequels as well). He would still be somewhat grumpy and stern, but otherwise I want to more clearly show that his character development from the third film stuck.
- The Plated Sharptooth would be made more threatening (even though I still liked him as he was in the film). To a lesser extent, Chomper's parents would also be made more threatening, up until the end when it turns out they're not so bad.
VI – The Secret of Saurus Rock
- I considered reintroducing Ali here. Not right at the very beginning, but fairly early on (before the bad luck starts). The idea being that she would be a recurring character from this point on, delivering on the fourth film's promise that we would be seeing her again. However, I decided that The Great Longneck Migration would be a better place for her reintroduction.
- Part of Littlefoot's admiration for Doc is stated to stem from how Doc reminds Littlefoot of his father. Also the first time Littlefoot's father would be mentioned in the series.
- As mentioned in my novelization notes for the first film, Cera is established to have older siblings, which would come into play here. Namely, that one of her older sibs is the parent of Dinah & Dana, to likewise better explain how Cera is their aunt.
- The Western elements would be played up a little more.
- As with the first novelization, this one would incorporate some removed elements that were in the movie's script: (See here for my original script review (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=16427.msg498528#msg498528))
- The darker opening flashback scene would be retained, where the Meanest Sharptooth is shown eating a small dinosaur, to make the next part more intense when the mother longneck is trying to protect her son.
- While it would still be ambiguous whether or not there truly was a bad luck curse (as was the case in the finished film), the element from the script would remain in that nothing bad starts to happen until after one of the Saurus Rock teeth has fallen off.
- As in the script, there'd be more time spent with the Gang wandering through the forest and getting lost on their way to and from Saurus Rock, with the forest being described as noticeably dark and creepy, to help build atmosphere. It seems to get even darker and more foreboding still after Saurus Rock is damaged and the curse (apparently) comes into effect.
- And of course, I'd have to include Cera's epic declaration of going on a "Sharptooth Hunt". How could I not? :P
- There'd be four Sharptooth antagonists here, which would build up to a more violent and intense climax when the characters try to fight off all four of them at once.
- At the end, the characters would come across an area of the landscape with snow and ice, to which Grandpa points out that the world is getting colder, serving as an eventual lead-up to The Big Freeze.
VII – The Stone of Cold Fire
- Of the fourteen films, this might be the one I would change the least.
- A minor thing, but the Gang's dialogue at the beginning about Pterano and him getting kicked out of the herd would be removed and perhaps added into a later scene instead. It always seemed a bit too convenient to me how they talk about him, and then he just happens to show up in the Great Valley soon after despite no-one having seen him for a long time.
- There would be a myth or legend of some kind surrounding the Stone of Cold Fire, in regards to what sort of (supposedly) extraordinary powers it contains. It would also be explained a little better exactly why Pterano, Rinkus, & Sierra want it so badly; as in, what do they believe it will do for them? (I remember it was kinda explained in the film, but I feel they could've gone further with the explanation.)
- It'd be noted a couple times that the weather is slowly getting colder, again as a lead-up to The Big Freeze.
- As with previous villains, Rinkus and Sierra's demise would be more clearly shown.
- At the very end, the entire Gang would see that the Rainbow Faces are (supposedly) aliens, not just Littlefoot.
Well that's all for now. Next time I'll report in with my thoughts on #8-14. ^^
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Nice list!
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This is something I've written before in another thread, so I'll just repost it here.
Another way would be to have Littlefoot and the gang meet Ali as they were leaving the crash site at the end of the movie and this could serve as cliffhanger for the next movie. Instead of Invasion of the Tinysaurus we'd have something like Return to the Land of Mists with Ali having a greater roll.
This idea just made me realize something: LBT should've done what the Pokémon movies did during the Sinnoh era and made a trilogy of movies that were connected.
LBT 10:
The movie begins as per usual, with Littlefoot and his grandparents leaving the Great Valley because of their sleep stories. On their way to the meteorite crash site, they're joined by herds of Longnecks; we reunite with old characters like Ali and Doc; and we meet new characters like Bron, Sue, Shorty, Rhett, etc. The rest of the gang follows behind and meets Pat like usual. The reason why Longnecks are converging and venturing out in the middle of nowhere is treated as a mystery throughout the film and is still unresolved by the end of the film; only bits and pieces of hints can be put together in this puzzle.
Because this is the tenth film, we could have cameos and/or clip show-style flashbacks of other characters and films. All the while, this new super-herd is constantly being followed by many Sharpteeth that have been habitually following the individual herds and now become occasional nuisances to the super-herd, just for action's sake. However, Chomper and his parents are among these Sharptooth, and they're not aware Littlefoot is a member of that super-herd because of its tremendous size. The film ends on a cliffhanger when Littlefoot realizes Bron is his father, just as the super-herd reaches the crash site.
LBT 11
The film begins with the super-herd entering the crash site and beginning to settle in. As they do, Littlefoot deals with the revelation that he just found his long-lost father, which makes things extremely complicated with his relationships. Eventually, Bron explains why he was never in Littlefoot's life to begin with, and they begin to bond. Bron tells Littlefoot all about what his mother was once like (perhaps even finally revealing her true name), including revealing she was a capable fighter who could hold off multiple Sharpteeth (this is important for later on). He also starts teaching Littlefoot how to lead a herd of Longnecks, which gets him close to Bron's herd, including Shorty, and also sparks a romantic relationship between him and Ali. Of course, Rhett is a butt and an antagonist about it, but he eventually gets his butt kicked.
Meanwhile, the rest of the gang is lagging behind with Pat like in canon (perhaps being aided along the way by characters like Tickles and Mo), while Grandpa decides to dig deep into the mystery of the sleep stories and soon learns of the solar eclipse. The film ends on another cliffhanger, with the Sharpteeth that had been following the super-herd, an ambivalent Chomper and his parents included, gathering en masse to take advantage of the all-you-can-eat buffet they have on their hands.
LBT 12
The film begins with Shorty jealously running away like in canon, and Littlefoot follows him to bond with him and get him back, but instead of being attacked by one Sharptooth, they're attacked by the super-pack. They're cornered, but before they're killed, the leader (who has been the biggest nuisance out of all the Sharpteeth in the trilogy) suddenly chooses to capture Littlefoot instead, while Shorty manages to run away. Through captivity, Littlefoot finally reunites with Chomper, who helps him escape. In the process, Chomper learns through his understanding of Sharptooth language that the Sharptooth leader was one of the Sharpteeth that Bron and Littlefoot's mother fought off in the past, and that he lost his mate to them as well; he recognized Bron in the herd earlier, saw him talking to Littlefoot, and put two and two together, so now, he's seeking revenge.
Littlefoot's escape triggers an epic battle between the important Longneck characters and the Sharpteeth super-pack, which is joined by the rest of the gang and Pat. Chomper and his parents rebel, with his parents helping Bron kill the Sharptooth leader. But before the rest of the super-pack could overwhelm the heroes, the solar eclipse happens, scaring off the Sharpteeth. The Longnecks carry out the mysterious tradition that has guided them through the entire trilogy, "saving the world". Afterwards, Chomper and his parents leave on good terms with the heroes. Littlefoot chooses to return to the Great Valley with his friends and grandparents rather than have a future with Bron and Ali, which they accept. The film, and therefore the trilogy, ends on a triumphant note, with Littlefoot recalling the life he's led so far, which put him on the path of this epic journey in the first place. Cue commemorative montage of all the films, one last scene of the gang returning to the Valley, and then...fade to ending credits.
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I’d change everything about the Wisdom of Friends. :p
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Nice list!
Thanks. :)
I'd definitely still like to share my thoughts on the remaining films, but it probably won't happen until later on this year, maybe autumn or so. (if you don't see me around much this summer, I'm just busy with some other things is all, but I'll be back after that)
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Journey Of the Brave is one that I think needs to tweaked a bit. First I would get rid of all the annoying cartoon sound effects that plague the film. Second I would get rid of Hot and Stinky not only because I hate that song but also because it's pretty pointless and doesn't add anything to the story. Though you could argue that most LBT songs don't add anything to the story but this one especially adds nothing and it's a pretty dumb song all together. I would keep the rest of the film the same though.
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Accidentally quoted my own post again.
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Journey Of the Brave is one that I think needs to tweaked a bit. First I would get rid of all the annoying cartoon sound effects that plague the film. Second I would get rid of Hot and Stinky not only because I hate that song but also because it's pretty pointless and doesn't add anything to the story. Though you could argue that most LBT songs don't add anything to the story but this one especially adds nothing and it's a pretty dumb song all together. I would keep the rest of the film the same though.
I’d argue Hot and Stinky should be reworked, or redux. It could be fun like Big Big Water with the right lyrics.
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Journey Of the Brave is one that I think needs to tweaked a bit. First I would get rid of all the annoying cartoon sound effects that plague the film. Second I would get rid of Hot and Stinky not only because I hate that song but also because it's pretty pointless and doesn't add anything to the story. Though you could argue that most LBT songs don't add anything to the story but this one especially adds nothing and it's a pretty dumb song all together. I would keep the rest of the film the same though.
I’d argue Hot and Stinky should be reworked, or redux. It could be fun like Big Big Water with the right lyrics.
Perhaps. I mean the instrumentals in the song are pretty catchy but the lyrics stink. ;)Cera
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Journey Of the Brave is one that I think needs to tweaked a bit. First I would get rid of all the annoying cartoon sound effects that plague the film. Second I would get rid of Hot and Stinky not only because I hate that song but also because it's pretty pointless and doesn't add anything to the story. Though you could argue that most LBT songs don't add anything to the story but this one especially adds nothing and it's a pretty dumb song all together. I would keep the rest of the film the same though.
I’d argue Hot and Stinky should be reworked, or redux. It could be fun like Big Big Water with the right lyrics.
Perhaps. I mean the instrumentals in the song are pretty catchy but the lyrics stink. ;)Cera
Nice pun and I agree.
The latter sequels (XI-XIV) have had some bad songs, the only one I thought was good was “Creepy Crawlies.”
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Oh yeah and one more thing I would change in XIV is to get better voice actors for Grandpa Longneck and Topsy. No offense to Barry Bostwick and George Ball but they sound nothing like Kenneth Mars and John Ingle.
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Oh yeah and one more thing I would change in XIV is to get better voice actors for Grandpa Longneck and Topsy. No offense to Barry Bostwick and George Ball but they sound nothing like Kenneth Mars and John Ingle.
I wholeheartedly agree.
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This is super minor and I'm sure someone's brought it up before, but there are a few incidental lines of Littlefoot's in the Great Longneck Migration that are clearly not his actual voice actor's. They seem mostly to be lines that were added in (pickup lines for scenes where he isn't in focus or in frame, though a few are synced). If I had to change anything, it would be to redub those lines because it's clearly an older man voicing him with a pretty weird inflection. :littlefootangry
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And now for the second half of my Land Before Time fanfic novelization changes, following up on the first half (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=282.msg524056#msg524056), as well as my notes on the original film (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=12959.msg524055#msg524055). Well this is several months later than I'd originally planned. But hey, better late than never.
Just as this was originally started in celebration of my 3,000th post, I decided I'd do up the remaining sequels in celebration of my 3,250th post.
:celebrate
VIII – The Big Freeze
- As with The Mysterious Island, this would be expanded and adapted into two separate books. Since, as with the former film, I felt certain parts of Big Freeze could've been longer. "The Big Freeze - Part 1" would cover everything up to the point where Spike leaves the Great Valley with the Spiketail herd. Which would in fact be the very closing scene, of Ducky getting mad at Spike and telling him to leave, and then he departs with the rest of the herd. The others all somberly watch him leave...
- "Part 2" would begin with the Gang building the Spike snowman. Then the scene of Mama Swimmer giving Ducky the pep talk would come after that, instead of before. Likewise, in the book it would take Ducky longer before she really starts to miss Spike and then heads out after him, whereas in the film it happens much quicker. (Although Ducky taking longer to venture out after Spike would also mean that he'd have covered more distance by then, and Ducky knows this, but still goes after him anyway.)
- The Sharptooth would be removed. The main tension and dangers would come from the ever-increasing blizzard, other environmental hazards, and potential food starvation, the threat of which would be played up. Thus, Part 1 would mostly be a character drama, whereas Part 2 would be more actionized. Although both parts would break from the tradition of previous LBT entries in that there wouldn't really be a distinct villain.
- Despite the seriousness of the winter setting, the part with the Spiketails sliding around and crashing into each other would still be appropriately silly.
- Most of the rest of the story would play out fairly similar, but the ending would be changed, having a much more bittersweet air. Spike would ultimately end up leaving the Great Valley for good with the rest of the Spiketails, but he and Ducky would have a chance to reconcile before he does. His friends would say one final goodbye to him, before he leaves for good, although still with the promise that they'll all see each other again one day...
- This would mean that Spike would be absent from most of the future installments, and the Gang's adventures from here on would simply consist of Littlefoot, Cera, Ducky, and Petrie.
IX – Journey to Big Water
- The beginning of the story would focus on the characters in a somber mood (instead of simply being bored), as they feel a sense of emptiness now that Spike is no longer with them. This is something that would come up again a few times later on in the story. The Gang is shown trying to cope with the aftermath of him being gone and adjusting to the new status quo. Ducky misses him the most of all.
- This would also alter Mo's role a bit, or at least the impact he has on the others. Since his cheerfulness and energy would help liven up the Gang's spirits, who still feel a sense of emptiness now that Spike is no longer with them.
- Meeting Mo and the initial set-up of helping guide him back to his home would be the same, but then the journey to the Big Water would be shortened considerably. Namely, they'd arrive at the ocean a little before the halfway point. From there on, the rest of the story would be a full-on ocean adventure that never happened in the film.
- Although a few general details would remain, such as the Swimming Sharptooth, and Mrs. Mama and her hatchlings.
- Mo's family would also have a much larger role. Instead of Mo reuniting with them at the very end, he'd reunite with them sooner and they too would come along for the ocean adventure.
- The ending would be a bit more bittersweet. Not as much as in The Big Freeze, but ultimately the Gang would have to part ways with Mo too.
#10-12 are the only films I've seen exactly one time (all the others I've watched at least twice), and it was a while ago at that. Thus, I don't have as many ideas for these since they're not as fresh in my mind. I may need to watch them again sometime to come up with some more thoughts. Still, there were a few things I thought of:
X – The Great Longneck Migration
- Another two-parter. The cliffhanger ending for "Part 1" would be when they discover Bron and Grandpa says, "Littlefoot, this is your father," and then Littlefoot gets upset and runs off.
- As mentioned previously, Ali would finally be reintroduced here, reuniting with Littlefoot at the Longneck gathering area, and she would have a prominent supporting role for the rest of the story.
- Although I am torn about what she would do at the very end, whether she would head off with Littlefoot and his friends back to the Great Valley, or if she'd be like Bron and would go her separate way. The former would mean she could be a more prominent character in the series from this point on, which I like the idea of. But I also feel that, narrative-wise, it kinda makes more sense for her character to head off again with her own migrating herd. Although at the very least with the latter, we'd still get to see her again eventually come "The Brave Longneck Scheme".
XI – Invasion of the Tinysauruses
As ridiculous as the plot is, I'd probably keep it. Maybe with some tweaks here and there, but most of the story would stay the same. Rather, it's the tone I'd change. Unlike all the rest of my novelizations which would be mostly serious, this one would be deliberately written as an absurd and wacky comedy.
XII – The Great Day of the Flyers
This installment, meanwhile, would be reimagined as a character drama with little to no action. Since I always found the action scenes kinda forced in this one, and a part of me feels it would've been better if they'd taken out the action scenes entirely and made it just about the character interactions.
Although that said, I like the concept of Guido's sleepwalking. There's something kinda mystical about it, and perhaps if it'd been more fleshed-out, it could've led somewhere interesting. Related to that, Guido's backstory would be more elaborated on in my novel.
XIII – The Wisdom of Friends
Now for this installment, hehe...
Well, as it happens, I've always really liked the basic premise: The Gang of Five being forced into a leadership position and having to guide another group of lost dinosaurs through the dangerous wilderness, to the safe haven that lies at the end of it all. I like it because it mirrors what the Gang themselves went through in the very first film, and I also like that Wisdom of Friends has other similarities to the original film as well. It's just a shame that while the original was so heartfelt and serious, this one is all wacky and ridiculous.
Thus, my novelization idea for #13 was to rewrite it as a much darker story that resembled the first film's journey even more closely, but with the Gang as older and wiser mentors to the younger group of Yellowbellies. The Yellowbellies themselves would still have somewhat goofy and fun-loving personalities, but it'd be toned down from what it was in the film. The Sharptooth quartet would remain as the main antagonists, but they'd likewise be played much more seriously. As in, while the first installment had one terrifying Sharptooth for the heroes to contend with, this story would have four terrifying Sharpteeth for them to contend with.
The TV series
This would have been done as a series of short story collections, with the short stories inside being adaptations of the TV series episodes. The stories would be spread out across four books total. There'd have been at least 32 stories (possibly even more); the 26 episodes of the show, plus six new story ideas I had to help fill in the missing gaps that the TV series itself never covered. Namely:
- Two new episodes/stories dedicated to Ruby and Chomper's origin (without the rest of the Gang appearing), explaining how Chomper got separated from his parents and ended up in Ruby's care, and fleshing out their respective backstories more in general. For that matter, a third new story to give Red Claw a more elaborate backstory too, and possibly Screech and Thud as well.
- By extension, Ruby and Chomper wouldn't appear in the first few stories/episodes of the series, which would be rewritten to mostly just focus on Littlefoot, Cera, Ducky, and Petrie.
- Since Ruby and Chomper would be introduced partway into the series, there would be another new episode dedicated to Chomper reuniting with his friends in the Great Valley, and introducing them to his new friend Ruby.
- To a lesser extent, a couple of the episodes that I originally felt could've been expanded on and fleshed out into a two-parter (namely "The Brave Longneck Scheme" and "The Big Longneck Test") would indeed be expanded into two stories each here (for a total of four), or at least one longer story each.
Other ideas/changes:
- For the overall timeline, it would be more clearly established that the TV series takes place between the 13th and 14th films (which was implied in the official canon but not outright stated).
- After a long absence, Spike would return to the Great Valley in "The Forbidden Friendship" with the rest of the wandering Spiketail herd, leading to a very happy reunion with him and the rest of the Gang. Spike would then remain with them for the remainder of the series.
XIV – Journey of the Brave
This would be written as the grand finale of the series. It would also be expanded into three books; the basic story of the film would remain, but with some additions.
Part 1:
- Would focus solely on the Gang of Five's initial adventure. Up to the point where Littlefoot and Cera have their fight, Littlefoot separates from the others, and then the sandstorm approaches, ending on a cliffhanger.
- The fight itself would be more vicious, and more reminiscent of the fight they had all the way back in the first movie.
- The order of events would be altered slightly. After Ruby and Chomper are seen having their initial hide and seek game, they wouldn't appear again until Part 2...
Part 2:
- ...which would then open with the scene of Chomper and Ruby going to Littlefoot's grandparents, concerned about the Gang's disappearance. Which would then lead to Chomper, Ruby, Wild Arms, Mr. Threehorn, and Grandpa Longneck heading out in search of the Gang. Unlike in the film, Grandma Longneck would also come along for the adventure, and possibly a few other characters as well. Part 2 would thus put more focus on the adventure that these guys have, as much of an adventure as the Gang of Five already had, encountering their own dangers and obstacles too.
- The GoF themselves would still appear, but would have much less focus in Part 2. At the very least, the narrative would cover their escape from the sandstorm and Littlefoot meeting Etta.
- The Horned Sharptooth would still appear (and the Featherhead Sharpteeth in Part 1), but they wouldn't be the main antagonists. Instead... *drumroll*... Red Claw would make his grand comeback here, along with Screech and Thud. Since the conflict with them never got a proper resolution in the TV series, Journey of the Brave would be rewritten to make them the "final boss" of The Land Before Time and give their story arc closure.
- It would also make sense for Ruby and Chomper's gang to be the first to encounter Red Claw, since Ruby and Chomper have a deeper connection with Red Claw than the other characters.
Part 3:
- The Gang of Five would reunite with Ruby and Chomper and the others before rescuing Bron here. The journey through the volcano would be fleshed out into its own mini-adventure, and would be reminiscent of the trek through the volcanic area in the first film.
- An expanded climax, not just the characters rescuing Bron, but Red Claw and his minions would appear for one final showdown...
- Way back in my Sequels Personal Ranking (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=14907.msg485693#msg485693), I stated that I thought Bron should've died, but now I'm not so sure. On one hand, it could've made the final battle and ending more emotional and gut-wrenching. But on the other hand, it seems perhaps a bit too harsh for Littlefoot to end up losing both his parents. That, and I think I would've wanted the final installment to end on an overall happier note. Regardless, the danger of Bron possibly dying would be played up.
In general, with this being the finale of the series, a majority of the guest characters throughout the films/TV series would reappear here. Especially Ali and Shorty.
Also, it dawned on me just now that, had I actually gotten around to writing all of these, there would've been 23 books total! XD (the 14 films, plus three for the LBT 5, 8, & 10 two-parters, plus another two for LBT 14 being expanded into a trilogy, and then four books for the TV series) Which would have been a big commitment indeed, even bigger than when I originally conceived this project back in 2019. Hence why this almost certainly would have been too massive a project for me to actually finish. But still, it was a fun thought exercise.
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The parts in bold are the parts I have nothing against and just feel like that should have happened.
-General-
1. Remove the Land Before Time II, V, IV, VII, and XIV from existence and make III the sequel and XII the final installment.
2. Also remove Chomper and his parents, Ruby, Pterano, Tria, Rinkus and Sierra, Ali, Ichy and Dil, Old One, Ozzy and Strut, Etta, and Wild Arms from existence.
3. Make the Tiny Longnecks Mussaurus rather than just a fictional genus called Tinysaurus.
4. Remove the songs Standing Tough, The Lone Dinosaur song, Bad Luck, Mad song, Family, Imaginary Friends, Boring, Big Water, Adventuring, Creepy Crawlies, One of A Kind, and Flip Flap and Fly.
6. Remove Kyle Kenneth Batter from the Great Day of The Flyers and leave the scoring job only to Michael Tavera.
7. Remove James Horner's original score from the sequels and only let Tavera make his versions of Horner's score.
8. Make Ducky as smart as Cera or Littlefoot and not about as dumb as Patrick Star. The same goes for Spike, who is far dumber.
9. Hire Tara Strong, Nika Futterman, Sandy Fox, or anyone that can sound like The Land Before Time 1 Cera, Ducky, and Mama Flyer from 1995 all the way to 2006.
10. Make every background Apatosaurus, Triceratops, and Pteranodon look like one another at the most and not add so many physically different variations.
11. Make the animation more sensical and not have the character violently shake when he/she screams or roars and removing the animation errors.
12. Do something so Cera's Mother and Papa Swimmer frequently are with the grownups and not have them as parents who neglect their children.
13. Do something so not all Ankylosaurus have eyelashes.
14. Make the female non-Sharptooth characters have eyelashes. For freak sakes, why do the females frequently look like the males?! Only a few cartoons do that.
15. Make the characters' eyebrows less pronounced. Cartoons rarely ever do that and not even Don Bluth's other films did that.
16. Make Petrie's grammar just like in the Land Before Time 1 and not have him gradually get worse at grammar.
17. Make all Sharpteeth more intimidating and look more photorealistic like Sharptooth from the Land Before Time movie cover.
18. Make all different Sharpteeth sound distinct and not have the freaking repetitive "grunt grunt hiss" sounds that start from Journey To Big Water.
19. Get rid of the elderly baggy eyes that a ton of middle aged characters have in this franchise.
20. Give the Brachiosaurus taller crests and sloped backs.
21. Get rid of the Muttaburasaurus' duck bill and give them a spike thumb as this was thought to be accurate in 1995.
22. Make Hyp's father a little shorter than Littlefoot who I think should be as tall as his grandparents' legs rather than only be about the size of their heads and make them look more like a real Hypsilophodon than a freak theropod/ornithopod hybrid.
23. Give the Iguanodon 5 fingers.
24. Make the Ankylosaurus look like the one in the Land Before Time 2 except make it look like a Don Bluth creation.
-The Time of the Great Giving-
1. Do something so Hyp does not brag about being tall and have him brag about being older as Hypsilophodon in real life were small.
2. Make Hyp's father a little shorter than Littlefoot who I think should be as tall as his grandparents' legs rather than only be about the size of their heads.
3. Make the Chasmosaurus a Triceratops and make those quilled theropods Velociraptor.
4. Give the Quetzalcoatlus long necks and straighter beaks rather than have their upper jaw bend downward and their lower jaw bend upward so their mouth never closes properly.
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-The Secret of Saurus Dinosaur Rock-
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-The Big Freeze-
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-Journey to The Sea-
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-The Great Longneck Migration-
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-Invasion of the Tiny Longnecks-
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-The Great Day of the Flyers-
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