The Gang of Five

The Land Before Time => LBT Fanfiction => Topic started by: JBJB1029 on May 25, 2009, 12:37:45 AM

Title: Ice Age
Post by: JBJB1029 on May 25, 2009, 12:37:45 AM
I was wondering, do you think they should feature an Ice Age in the series, just like in "The Day After Tomorrow" film?
Title: Ice Age
Post by: Malte279 on May 25, 2009, 02:46:00 AM
No, I think they should try to make new films rather than trying to make films like any one that already exists.
Title: Ice Age
Post by: Caustizer on May 25, 2009, 09:39:47 AM
Its certainly an idea, but if there was an actual ice age the gang probably wouldn't surivive because of how they are all cold blooded - one of the reasons the dinosaurs even existed was because of the really warm period the earth went through in the mesozoic era.
Title: Ice Age
Post by: DarkHououmon on May 25, 2009, 09:49:47 AM
Quote from: Caustizer,May 25 2009 on  09:39 AM
Its certainly an idea, but if there was an actual ice age the gang probably wouldn't surivive because of how they are all cold blooded - one of the reasons the dinosaurs even existed was because of the really warm period the earth went through in the mesozoic era.
Actually, no one really knows if they were warm-blooded or cold-blooded. But there is more evidence to support them being warm-blooded (including lots of blood vessel holes or whatever in their bones, something that, today, is only present in warm-blooded animals). Another evidence comes from Brachiosaurus I believe. In order to pump blood all the way up that neck, it would need a 4-chambered heart, something only warm-blooded animals have.

Also, if Littlefoot and his friends and the other GV dinosaurs were indeed cold-blooded, they should have died off in LBT 8, when that snowstorm hit. But they didn't; they survived and remained active, and this snow storm didn't last a short time; it lasted long enough to kill off the plants. And at one point, Mr. Thicknose was completely covered in snow, and yet was still alive when Littlefoot came across him. To be covered in snow, Mr. Thicknose had to have been laying out in the snow for a long time. If he were cold-blooded, he should have been dead by the time Littlefoot and the others found him, but he wasn't.

 If anything, this proves that the LBT Dinosaurs are indeed warm-blooded.
Title: Ice Age
Post by: Lillefot on May 25, 2009, 12:23:35 PM
Kacie is correct.
And no, I don't think it should be featured. Like Malte said, they should focus more on makiing new films, rather than  base it on others.

In addition, we have examples of almost the same thing;LBT VIII (not quite an ice age) and the upcoming Ice Age 3.
Title: Ice Age
Post by: Nick22 on May 25, 2009, 09:39:38 PM
there already is a film called Ice Age..And LBT 8 already covered this..
Title: Ice Age
Post by: Kor on May 25, 2009, 09:49:47 PM
PBS had a show a while back that showed some dinos lived up in some artic or near artic areas.  & if the bit of t-rex cartilage tht was found is really that once they used a weak acid on it for a few days, it seems some dinos may have been warm blooded or partially warm blooded.   But likely not a lot of evidence either way.
Title: Ice Age
Post by: JBJB1029 on May 26, 2009, 01:02:04 AM
Quote from: Nick22,May 25 2009 on  08:39 PM
there already is a film called Ice Age..And LBT 8 already covered this..
Yay, but The Land Before Time 8 didn't have a Quick Freeze (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzd9G9h27hc) scene like in "The Day After Tomorrow," correct?
Title: Ice Age
Post by: Nick22 on May 26, 2009, 01:35:24 AM
No, but thrn again it was much warmer then than it is now. the dinosaurs would not survive a quick freeze event
Title: Ice Age
Post by: Cancerian Tiger on May 26, 2009, 02:29:09 PM
This is why I sometimes question whether or not global warming is just a repeat of the same cycle.  It has been said that another ice age is inevitable, so if the cycle is repeating itself, then Earth will get really hot again before another freeze.  I dunno, just a thought :unsure:.  As for the dinosaurs most likely being warm-blooded, it's true ya learn something new everyday :blink:.  True, the traits DarkHououmon mentioned are only those of warm-blooded living things.  Makes me wonder where along the line reptiles and other cold-blooded creatures developed their characterisitics, as dinosaurs had been classified as reptiles :unsure:.  Anyhoo, as far as the topic is concerned, LBT VIII and the TV ep "Through the Eyes of a Spiketail" have already addressed this ;).
Title: Ice Age
Post by: DarkHououmon on May 26, 2009, 04:38:49 PM
I did hear that the term "warm-blooded" and "cold-blooded" are outdated terms. There are more specific terms because not all animals fit exclusively to either group, if I remember correctly.

For example, there are some "warm-bodied" sharks that can regulate their body temperatures, even in cold water, to help them remain active, if I heard correctly.
Title: Ice Age
Post by: JBJB1029 on May 26, 2009, 10:22:36 PM
Quote from: Nick22,May 26 2009 on  12:35 AM
No, but then again it was much warmer then than it is now. the dinosaurs would not survive a quick freeze event.
True, but I was thinking that the Quick Freeze would keep them alive until the human race.
Title: Ice Age
Post by: DarkHououmon on May 26, 2009, 10:28:45 PM
The quick freeze would kill them. In reality, very few creatures can survive being frozen. Wood toads are one of the few animals that can, and this is only for a short time. Water bears can survive for over a hundred years, but there's no guarantee they will survive millions of years.
Title: Ice Age
Post by: Caustizer on May 26, 2009, 10:45:58 PM
Quote from: DarkHououmon,May 26 2009 on  09:28 PM
The quick freeze would kill them. In reality, very few creatures can survive being frozen. Wood toads are one of the few animals that can, and this is only for a short time. Water bears can survive for over a hundred years, but there's no guarantee they will survive millions of years.
Thats interesting   :smile
Title: Ice Age
Post by: Nick22 on May 26, 2009, 10:46:57 PM
Dh is right. there is no way they could survive such an extreme rapid change in climate..
Title: Ice Age
Post by: Malte279 on May 27, 2009, 04:14:36 AM
And with humans involved it would no longer be the land before time.
Title: Ice Age
Post by: JBJB1029 on May 27, 2009, 09:55:00 PM
Quote from: Malte279,May 27 2009 on  03:14 AM
And with humans involved it would no longer be the land before time.
I thought with them in the human race, it make The Land Before Time more interesting?
Title: Ice Age
Post by: Nick22 on May 27, 2009, 10:07:01 PM
Lbt is set millions of years before human..
Title: Ice Age
Post by: JBJB1029 on May 29, 2009, 10:00:12 AM
Quote from: Nick22,May 27 2009 on  09:07 PM
Lbt is set millions of years before human..
Remember Jurassic Park?
Title: Ice Age
Post by: DarkHououmon on May 29, 2009, 10:36:34 AM
Jurassic Park is fictional. Dinosaurs have never been cloned in real life. It wouldn't work, really. The DNA is too old and too broken up to really work. For cloning to work, the DNA has to be 100% in tact. Even in Jurassic Park, it wasn't in tact; they had to use frog DNA to complete it. But in reality, this wouldn't work either. With the frog DNA, the dinosaurs wouldn't really be dinosaurs; more like mutated frogs. Just one small change in DNA can create drastic changes.
Title: Ice Age
Post by: JBJB1029 on May 30, 2009, 12:18:43 AM
Quote from: DarkHououmon,May 29 2009 on  09:36 AM
Jurassic Park is fictional. Dinosaurs have never been cloned in real life. It wouldn't work, really. The DNA is too old and too broken up to really work. For cloning to work, the DNA has to be 100% in tact. Even in Jurassic Park, it wasn't in tact; they had to use frog DNA to complete it. But in reality, this wouldn't work either. With the frog DNA, the dinosaurs wouldn't really be dinosaurs; more like mutated frogs. Just one small change in DNA can create drastic changes.
What about if they use there frozen bodies to fill in the DNA gaps?
Title: Ice Age
Post by: DarkHououmon on May 30, 2009, 12:27:39 AM
I doubt that would work either, realistically anyway. For example, while there are some frozen mammoths that have been discovered, the DNA is still broken up and fractured, making cloning a mammoth impossible.
Title: Ice Age
Post by: JBJB1029 on June 01, 2009, 10:01:05 PM
Quote from: DarkHououmon,May 29 2009 on  11:27 PM
I doubt that would work either, realistically anyway. For example, while there are some frozen mammoths that have been discovered, the DNA is still broken up and fractured, making cloning a mammoth impossible.
There must be something that could work?
Title: Ice Age
Post by: DarkHououmon on June 03, 2009, 09:50:17 AM
Nowadays, there really is no way to clone a prehistoric animal encased in ice. If it could be done, someone would have done it by now.

As with bringing dinosaurs back, the only way, realistically, that it could work is rewriting the genes of a bird and turning the embryo into a dinosaur-like creature, but even this method can't be done nowadays; it would take probably 50 or so years and even then it's not a guaranteed possibility. Plus it would take even longer to get actual dinosaur species.

Cloning a previously living dinosaur is practically impossible by realistic means. DNA doesn't preserve well enough and you need all pieces of the puzzle to create a living dinosaur, or any animal.

Now if you want to go with sci-fi means, which aren't really plausible but can be written in a way to make it believable, one method would be to get blood from a dead mosquito as in Jurassic Park, or a time displacement as seen in Dino Crisis (switching an area of time with one from a different time, resulting in the area around the facility in the first game to be replaced with a jungle filled with dinosaurs).

But it would probably be a good idea to come up with your own idea, rather than directly copying either of these two ideas. Finding a creature frozen in ice and reviving it (as seen in the old cartoon Cro) is, in my opinion, overdone and wouldn't seem very original.
Title: Ice Age
Post by: JBJB1029 on June 04, 2009, 10:33:38 PM
Quote from: DarkHououmon,Jun 3 2009 on  08:50 AM
Nowadays, there really is no way to clone a prehistoric animal encased in ice. If it could be done, someone would have done it by now.

As with bringing dinosaurs back, the only way, realistically, that it could work is rewriting the genes of a bird and turning the embryo into a dinosaur-like creature, but even this method can't be done nowadays; it would take probably 50 or so years and even then it's not a guaranteed possibility. Plus it would take even longer to get actual dinosaur species.

Cloning a previously living dinosaur is practically impossible by realistic means. DNA doesn't preserve well enough and you need all pieces of the puzzle to create a living dinosaur, or any animal.

Now if you want to go with sci-fi means, which aren't really plausible but can be written in a way to make it believable, one method would be to get blood from a dead mosquito as in Jurassic Park, or a time displacement as seen in Dino Crisis (switching an area of time with one from a different time, resulting in the area around the facility in the first game to be replaced with a jungle filled with dinosaurs).

But it would probably be a good idea to come up with your own idea, rather than directly copying either of these two ideas. Finding a creature frozen in ice and reviving it (as seen in the old cartoon Cro) is, in my opinion, overdone and wouldn't seem very original.
So out of all the things you said, what would work?