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Important Announcements => The Welcome Center => Topic started by: Truttle on July 07, 2009, 01:34:24 AM
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Hello there everyone! I'm new here but I really do love the LBT movie and I like dinosaurs. I hope to get along well here. :DD
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Hey and welcome!
Look forward to seeing you around the forum! :D
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Thank you. I know I'll have lots of fun. :smile
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Hey Truttle! Welcome around here! :D Have fun and post loads! :D
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Welcome to the GOF Truttle :)
It is always a pleasure to welcome new members to our community. Please feel hearty invited to join our discussions or start threads of your own :yes
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Welcome to the GOF!
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Welcome to the forum..
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Hello there Trottle! Welcome to the GoF, nice to have you with us. :wave
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:wave Hi There Truttle! :wave
Welcome to the Gang of Five forum. All love and adoration for LBT is welcomed here. Glad to have you with us. Check out any of the topic boards and post away!
Cya on there!
Littlefoot1616 B)
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Hi and welcome to GOF! Look around the forums and reply to any topics that interest you....and of course you can create topics of your own. :yes
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Hi Truttle! Welcome to the Gang of Five! Hope you have as great a time here as I'm having! :smile
If you don't mind me asking, how'd you come up with your screen name? (I don't know why, but I rather like it.)
Your avatar is fantastic, by the way (a Ceratosaurus, if I'm not mistaken). Did you draw it yourself?
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Welcome Truttle! ^^ Glad ya could make it.
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Welcome to the forum. I'm sure you'll find threads that you'll find interesting to post to here so feel free to explore around at your leisure. Interesting avatar, where did you get it? Good luck and hope you have a lot of fun here.
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Such wonderful welcomes! Thank you everyone! :DD
And yes, I thought up my user name myself based on my own name. My avatar is a Ceratosaurus that I drew myself. I'm glad you like it! :smile
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Drew it yourself? You're a good artist, and your username is interesting and different. I'm sure you'll have a lot of fun here. :yes
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Thank you very much Kor! :DD
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And you shall get along. As long as you obey the rules.
Welcome to the GoF!
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I certainly intend to. :angel
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Welcome to GOF! And I must say that I'm a fan of your username as well, its very fun to say.
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Yay! I has fun name! :lol
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If you take the 'r' out of it, that's my mom's last name. Very nice drawing by the way.
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Hello:
And welcome to the forum!
It seems that it is not necessary to hope you'll have a great time because it seems you are already having it... that's cool :DD .
Well, post lots and see you around!
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Oh really? That's interesting to know! Thanks again everyone! :!
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hi hi hi! ^^ welcome to GOF ^^
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Hi! Thanks! :DD
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Hiya, Truttle, and welcome to the GOF :wave!
Your screen name makes me think of one of the Lost Boys from the Peter Pan story. I think his name was Tootles or somethin' like that. In the film "Hook", he had lost his bag of marbles as a boy and found them when he was elderly :yes.
Anyhoo, glad ya joined us! Feel free to stickaround here. We're a very fun and friendly bunch ;).
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I was thinking of the Tootles from Hook too. As Jason can confirm, since finding two glass marbles in 2004 I always carry those with me in my wallet so I never loose all my marbles :lol
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I was thinking of the Tootles from Hook too. As Jason can confirm, since finding two glass marbles in 2004 I always carry those with me in my wallet so I never loose all my marbles :lol
Erm...I would like to say I can confirm that statement Malte but in all honesty I have to say I can't fully remember :lol You sure you didn't take my marbles instead?! :smile
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Gee, I will never understand how people cannot remember chats that occurred a mere five years ago :p
I even showed those marbles to you as it was just a few days before my visit to you.
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I thought "turtle" when I first read your screen name :p (though I'm reasonably certain it's pronounced differently).
Again, I love your avatar. Not only does it show great attention to scientific detail, but your Ceratosaurus also has a lot of character. (At least, it looks that way to me. Do you have a bigger picture of it anywhere?) Funnily enough, it looks a lot like my own Ceratosaurus concept for an LBT fanfic I'm working on.
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I'm glad people enjoy my name so much. :lol
And yes, I do have a bigger picture of it. It was a gift drawing I made for DarkHouhoumon and a friend. :DD
(http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs46/f/2009/181/c/b/One_of_us_by_Truttle.jpg)
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Great picture. And quite large too.
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Wow. :blink: That's humongous.
What's going on in the image, exactly? (If you don't mind me asking.)
The Ceratosaurus's expression is great, and I also really like the dromaeosaur. The alimon (that's what it is, isn't it?) seems a bit chromatically overdressed compared to the other two :p (not that I don't appreciate brightly colored dinosaurs), but I love the way you drew the forefeet; they're by far my favorite part (of the alimon, anyway).
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Well in the image, it's one I wanted to do for a while. You see, my character is normally a bear, but in this pic he was changed into a dinosaur, Ceratosaurus being my favorite. The black one is a Troodon named Ebony Patriot and the other one is indeed an Alimon. They're both teasing me because I'm a dinosaur just like them. :lol :p
I'm really loving your comments. Thank you for them. :DD
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The alimon (that's what it is, isn't it?) seems a bit chromatically overdressed compared to the other two :p
I can explain that. The alimons are a fictional race of mine, and at the time of their initial creation, I had a hard time making distinguishable characters of the same species. The only way I could was by coloration and pattern. So the alimons pretty much became multicolored as my means of making each alimon distinguishable, to enable myself and others tell one character from another. I may have a better time nowadays, but I'm so used to the multicolored species that I don't think I could just stop in favor of more realistic coloring. :p
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I'm really loving your comments. Thank you for them. :DD
You're welcome. :smile Glad to hear that I'm an good conversationalist. :p
DarkHououmon: While the alimon definitely stands out against the black-and-white Troodon and the muted orange Ceratosaurus, I see no problem with it being so vividly colored. Back when I was regularly drawing dinosaurs, I myself habitually decked them out in rainbow-belittling hues. I don't color my drawings that much anymore, but I love brightly colored artwork, and seeing as saurian color vision probably exceeded that of most mammals (including humans), I say why not color them brightly for the sake of recognizing individuals? ;)
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I don't know how it would be possible to know what colors dinosaurs may have been able to see. Not sure how this is possible with real life animals either. As my dad pointed out, there doesn't seem to be any test to successfully prove what colors an animal, dead or alive, can see and which they could not.
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I read that some scientist think they may have a way to tell at least some colors of feathered dinos, though likely it'll take a lot more testing & it may be one of those dead ends that seem promising but later research will show if it leads to anything or is nothing that seems to be something at the start. They think in involves studying fossil feathers and what appears to be the things that give some color to bird feathers and perhaps mammal hair, things that produce melanin pigment. Not being a scientist I don't know all the fancy terms. Though like I mentioned it may lead to what they thing, it may also be one of those dead ends that seems promising but leads nowhere, or maybe only with advanced technology. Likely a lot of further research is needed.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,380144,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,380144,00.html)
http://www.livescience.com/animals/080708-fossil-color.html (http://www.livescience.com/animals/080708-fossil-color.html)
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hi i'm chomper and i gotta say i like the picture, its also nice to meet another ceratosaurus fan also :lol
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I don't know how it would be possible to know what colors dinosaurs may have been able to see. Not sure how this is possible with real life animals either. As my dad pointed out, there doesn't seem to be any test to successfully prove what colors an animal, dead or alive, can see and which they could not.
Animal vision and color perception is a subject I am extremely interested in. I can't claim to know the exact methods scientists use to determine what colors an animal can see, but I have little (if any doubt) that there are successful ways of doing so. For instance, let's say you present a monkey with a set of differently colored buttons that would look identical to a colorblind animal, one of which deposits a treat when pressed. If the monkey is capable of distinguishing between the colors, it will quickly learn which button to press if it wants a snack.
Apparently, an animal's ability to perceive color is determined by the types of cone cells in its retina. Humans, for instance, have three different kinds of cones in their eyes, which allow us to see long, short, and medium wavelengths of colored light. Most other mammals have only one or two cone types (dogs, contrary to popular belief, are not completely colorblind). Birds, however, along with many reptiles, have three, four, or even five types of cone cells, allowing them to see a much broader range of wavelengths, including ultraviolet light. The theory is that because mammals spent virtually the entire Mesozoic Era as chiefly nocturnal creatures (for whom good color vision is more or less redundant), they lost most of their cone cell types, and that some of them only "re-evolved" color vision when they inherited the Earth from the non-avian dinosaurs.
One of my college science professors told me about a study involving sparrows (I think) with patches of feathers that reflect ultraviolet light such that they glow when the birds are placed under a UV lamp. The birds apparently live in a hierarchy dictated by the ultraviolet reflectivity of these feathers; the shinier the patches, the higher the bird's rank. When the researchers covered the UV-reflective feathers of high-ranking birds with paint or makeup of some sort, the birds' places in the pecking order dropped. I can't imagine the sparrows were too happy about it, but it's so fascinating (I think so, anyway :p), and somewhat relevant to the subject, that I couldn't help but mention it.
Anyway, because dinosaurs are fundamentally reptiles, and reptiles have good color vision, and birds are believed to be dinosaur descendants, and they have good color vision, there's good reason to believe that dinosaurs had good color vision too.
Holy cheese, how we've wandered from the original subject of this thread! :P:
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Can I just squeeze in to say 'eelo? :p :wave
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Welcome back Adam :)
Topic or off topic, there is one interesting description regarding the color vision of dinosaurs in the first of James Gurney's Dinotopia books. Of course it is entirely fictional, but in case dinosaurs possessed more than three cones there may be some truth about this description. The book includes two versions of the same pictures one of which would the way a human sees it the other the way a dinosaur sees it. The description in the text reads:
Dinosaur eyes take in a wider field of view bending in at the edges like a glass globe filled with water. Nothing is gray or drab or dull; rather they see swimming particles of color, a moving mosaic of dancing color specks. As we would see a starscape in the night sky, they see a sparkling "lifescape" in the woods by day, a world teeming with life. Some humans can see with dinosaur vision, Bix explained: artists, poets, and children. But for the rest of us, as we grow older, the mammalian part of the brain clouds over the older reptilian part, and drains away a little of the glory of the world.
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Forgive my absence. Been a bit busy. And thanks again everyone. =3 :D
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Hey! Welcome back!