The Gang of Five
Role Play => Role Play Discussion => Topic started by: Kit12 on May 22, 2011, 04:39:52 PM
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First off, reboot? Those of us who were in the Lion King roleplay, should we reboot and retry this story?
I guess as the characters we all had before, though if we want to discuss that we can also. I know I will take Vitani again though and I will bring in my OC Hali once more.
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Yeah we decided to reboot as we are getting sidetracked from the plot. so we can start over. i have a different enterance planned for kopa..
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yes, and could we do without the memory loss thing. I'm sorry but it seemed tacted on. Also if we do the invastion plot, lets make the journy shorter, I think that played a part in hurting the RP, also I'll try not to make damon such a spot light hog. Also I call the three laughing hyenas and timon and pumba, and my OC's too.
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Ok, so for fc grab, so far it's
Vitani- Kit12
Timon, Pumba- Rocky
Shenzie, Ed, Banzai- Rocky
Kopa- Nick22
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I've go nuteri and kopa as Stated before..those are ocs i Think.
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I'm sure all I got were OC's: Matsu, Carnage, & Ebon.
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Ok. Yeah, Kopa's...half a movie character? Based of books and such saying that the cub at the end of Lion King was Simba's son and then Kiara later being shown in II, so it lead to speculation of him having run off and stuff, from what I understand, but we can do what we want with his backstory.
I'll put him under the movie characters just...cause, I guess :)
Ok, was there anyone else in the role play who's yet the chim in? Should we go ahead and start up the rebooted role play?
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brek has yet to say anything..
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can I also play as rafiki?
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i'm playing rafiki, and yeah we can start
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I'll take Kiara and Kovu again
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ok everyones chimed in lets get this rolling..
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Okey Dokey then :)
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am bringing Kopa into the Pridelands now.. his backstory is somewhat different from the first go-round.
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Also Rocky i'm playing Rafiki and Rafiki would not casually reveal something that is supposed to be a secret : namely Kopa's identity..
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My bad, you want me to edit it?
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yeah, if you please.
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And one request Rocky, if you're trying to make Damon sympathetic, don't make him so much of a jerk this time around.
I mean, having a sad backstory gets cancelled out if the character is a major jerk in the present. I doubt the pride would be so quick to forgive his actions just because they find out about him.
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Gottcha, I'll tone down the dhuch baggery.
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so you should edit your last post. you don't kill those who are meeting with the king, it simply isn't done..
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so you should edit your last post. you don't kill those who are meeting with the king, it simply isn't done..
I think it's alittle too late for that.
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very well, just don't do it again..its bad form..
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got it
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Thanks for that Rocky. Really, if Damon kept up this jerkishness, it doesn't matter how much you try to say "his past was tragic." It wouldn't matter.
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i can remove that part from your last posts, and then remove the next few posts..its called a retcon..
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i can remove that part from your last posts, and then remove the next few posts..its called a retcon..
with due respect Nick22, it's not retcon, it's called an abuse of power.
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its not an abuse of power when it serves the purpose of the rp. your character had already eaten a number of birds, killing the last, in the manner you did, was not necessary. however i don't retcon a post unless i think it necessary..
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Just remember Rocky, if you do intend to make Damon sympathetic-tone down his attitude.
A tragic back story really doesn't make up for bad behavior of that magnitude imo.
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Just just tragic Brek, Traumatic as well. Damon's past is going to be revealed starting now.
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And it's not going to overtake the plot, correct?
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alright i'm going to edit out the part rocky where damon decapitated the bird in front of simba. you have to learn to tone things down. i'm going to leave the rest of the post in place, but i want you to understand. in the movies, no one harms anyone who is consulting or complaining to the king. they are under his protection while he is taking to them. no amount of tragedy is going to compensate for damon being an irredeemable jerk. he is a cub, and one who has been newly adopted, in the hierachy he is low in the pecking order. you are going to have to limit his snide comments and arrogant behavior, it not becoming of a cub his age.. in addition you should leave things open in your posts so others can comment and use what you have written. having lots of things happen in your posts leaves little room for the rest of us to work with.. so for example if lots of things are happening to damon while he is off by himself, that leaves little for our characters to do, unless they see what is going on. thispplies to other rps you are in as well. have only one or two things happen to him, rather than 5 or 6..
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Nick, Shere Khan from jungle cubs is about the same age as Damon, and is a jerk. The only reason we never saw him follow through with his acts was because the censerswould of killed the show. Besides, this is an RP, not the movies.
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rocky, you didn't address any of the points i made, and besides all that i have never seen jungle cubs. khan is ultimately the villian, hes going to be a jerk when hes an adult so himbeing a jerk as a cub is not surprising. its expected,really.Your character is not the villian of the rp, so the comparison is not valid. ultimately we are trying to be as faithful to the films as possible, with some allowances made for characters (like Kopa) who were not in either of the films. However i have seen you did make changes to your post, so there is no more need to do anything with that post, and i will edit my posts accordingly.
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He acts like a jerk to hide his pain, but I could retcon Damon's character into a moody depressed troubled cub is much less of a jerk.
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just have him open up to kopa, after all kopa is going to be the one with the most say in the life starting shortly in the story, well apart from Vitani of course, since she is raising him..
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Ok, but I doubt he'll be as receptive to Vitani, you know the whole not wanting to replace mom thing kids typically do. Maybe Kopa could be a confidaint and positive father figure to Damon. But here are some Idea's I toyed with not focusing on Damon but involve him in a suporting role.
Makaila was bethrothed to a slightly older cub by her birth pride, and that cub's pride comes to collect Makaila. The question?: will Simba and the pride save her from being taken againist her will, or the bigger question is: CAN they even do anything.
Someone is hunting the hunting parties of Simba's Pride, can the Pride survive Leo the Pride killer, or will Simba and Kopa's Pride be doomed like other prides before Leo's evil.
Love is in the air as Timon and Pumbaa find themselves bitten by the love bug when they meet a female warthog and meerkat duo much like them, and they need help, can everyone's favorite Hakuna Mattata duo find true love?
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some interesting ideas but lets hear what brek and Kit have to say about that..
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The Timon and Pumbaa idea is kind of interesting....
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An idea I thought of myself for this:
What if Nuka survived his injuries from the logs, and shortly after LK 2 Rafiki found him and rescued him. He would be secretly helped back to health, as Rafiki is doing his best to have Nuka let go of his grudges, which he is gradually doing.
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Sure, that would be a nice surprise. Kovu and Vitani find out their brother is still alive..
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ok guy , a heads up i will be leaving for Ny state on Friiday and will not be back until the 20th. this rp can continue and I'll catch up when I get back..
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Just one problem guys, Lions are Hyper carnivores, they're bodies can't handle any kind of fruits of veggitbles. a nice bit of feild mice or some grubs could work. Other wise Nuka's gonna Puka ( Sorry, bad joke)
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Hey guys, sorry, so sorry I haven't been on. It seems everytime I think I have time for here something in RL crops up and time just goes away. I'm thinking I may need to just hand off Vitani and even Hali too if you want to use her.
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Um...Rocky, what's up with your new chars?
Like Nick22 said, the older lionesses wouldn't be taking orders from a preteen lion so easily. And what's what his over the top violence, having one of them killed so easily?
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ok kit. we may need to give Vitani to brek..
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Rocky, i know you are going for the over-the top evil approach, but it doesn't work in a kid or preteen. any attempt to take makiala would result in a declaration of war and would end up with the prince being killed in short order, either by simba, kopa or kovu.
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Well first, he'll try to make his case that makaila is his already since here dad promised her to him.
And second, yes, I think that I do need to tone him way back.
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frankly it would be better for all if i simply deleted that post and have you put in a replacement..
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dude I fixed it, I'll try plying him as a spoiled brat who won't take no for an answer.
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then have him go into the pridelands and ask Simba face to face. and in reality no king would give a kid that much power at his age, its not good politics or a good idea. IN any event, Simba will tell him no, that once Makaila joined his pride, all claims were rendered null and void. and you need to edit your last post a bit more imo. Have him go into the Pridelands to fetch her.
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Better?
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i the problem Rocky is this. this is second time in this attempt to doLion King that we have stalled the rp because your characters have done things that are over the top, and we had issues with your characters in the first attempt as well. your characters really don't have any redeeming qualities, they are just pains in the butt, and no amount of tragic backstory can generate sympathy for a character like that. You are trying to improve, I will give you that, but you don't seem to be making much progress at this moment. The reason why I proposed a retcon just now is to serve the story and give you a fresh slate to say whatever you feel like saying. I don't want to have to reboot this rp a second time because your characters bog down the rp by acting so over the top. we don't care frankly about a small bratty, entitled preteen from a neighboring pride, the focus should be on the return of kopa and Nuka and how their families adjust to having them back. Once they are settled in then the bad guy can come in.
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Ok, I'll fix it so they are like three days away then eve them alone for a while.
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revived the story.. we may have a neighboting pride pay the Pridelands a visit..
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hoping for kenji to join back up here
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After Re-reading the original story I have thoughts about somply reopening that story and contiuing, as the reboot has not progressed to where the last story ended..
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If it's ok with everyone, I'm going to change Damon's Chracter to that of a depressed cub with survivors guilt.
Sample post:
Damon sighed as he wathed Makaila play with another Cub. they asked him to play too, but Damon wasn't feeling like playing. He was brooding, about his past, about his mother and siblings. Simba had been generous in leting him and Makaila join the pride, but Damon was still afraid to talk about his past. If anyone tried to talk to him, he'd just tell them "Sorry, but I don't feel like talking." and then walk away. Damon kept to himself alot, after all he was a monster and if he had a choice, he'd run away to some where he could just lay down and die.
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i think you need to change him a bit more, he can;t always have nigtmates Rocky.. Would you be interested in reviving the orioginal story?
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Sure, I guess.
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if enough people are ok with it.. I'll reopen the first story..
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if enough people are ok with it.. I'll reopen the first story..
hold it, I thought we were doing a reboot
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Does anyone mind if I set up a new villain here in the rebout?
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not at all Kenji.. bring him in..
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OK, I say we just make a new thread, after all third time's the charm.
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we;re not starting over again rocky..
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so we need oideas for bad guys ikin this one..
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Rocky, the truth is, you either need to do more to lighten up Damon as a character, or just drop him ebtirely..and no I not mean have him go drown himself but just not wrote as him anymore A Cub casnnot be that moroose or self-hating, its just not realistic. you can't just go up to Simba . say I'm sorry, weithout explaining what you are sorry for? You have to give a reason. the reason why the firsy rp fell apart is because your focus on Damon sidetracjed the rest of us from continuing woth the plor..which was getting to be pretty intense..
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OK, here's my new villain...
Name: Machakrah
Species: Mandrill
Gender: Male
Personality: Cruel, merciless, partially insane
Background: Machakrah is the "priest" and leader of a gang of mandrills far south of the Pridelands, inhabiting an ancient temple left behind by man. Very loosely interpreting the pictographs, Machakrah believes the gods of his new domain must be appeased by an occasional sacrifice. The mandrills have developed crude weapons of sharp sticks and rocks.
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looks like a very interestyinmg character Kenji
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Rocky, I hate to say it, but.....can we just drop Damon? You're giving him too much self-hating/jerkiness, and I'm afraid it's going to derail the whole rp again
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No, he's going stop his self hating/ jerkiness stuff agter his chat with Kopa. He'll realize he's let his fears and guilt have too much power over his life and decideds to enjoy his new life and family.
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Thabnks Rocky. Since we don't want to have to reboot this a second time.. focus on makaila more too//
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I wouldn't mind trying to get back into this RP again, now that I am back from my mysterious disappearance.
I'll have to recreate my character since I kind of don't remember him all too well, and I may stick with one at this point.
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thats fine lbt. glad to have you back..
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LBTfan13 your back! *Hugs LBTfan13* I hope you never go away again!
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just a small nitpick Rocky, but Damon went after Makaila.. so he can't be with the royal group.. if hes chasing Makaila down..
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Not Nit picking, good eye. I completely missed that, but I thought of something else that would be funny. Damon goes with them, and after the older bird rants she starts to walk away from simba, but Damon puts his paw down on the bird's tail feathers and they are ripped off revealing a naked tail. I saw something similar in a Olsen twins movie involing a wedding dress.
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that would be rather funny. the Older bird would probably try to kill Damon as a response,.,
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Ok, so I remember that my character's name was Straff and he is a cheetah. I'm probably going to keep it as one character for now until I get more used to being back. Once I find time I will make my post.
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Thats completely fine LBT. good to have you back..
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so what should the overarching plot of this story be?
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how about we first resolve the bird nest thing, unless we already did.
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we already did that Rocky..
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darn it, what happened to the angry bird? (Pun intended)
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she was moved to another part of the tree, and is currently building a new nest.
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OK, how about Nuka, Timon and Pumba find girlfriends.
Also I've have an Idea, how about focusing on everyday life for the Pride.
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hmm
well the others may have ideas as well Rocky, so lets hold off on that idea until the others can weigh in..
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OK
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any new ideas anyone?
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hmmm.....maybe Vitani and Kopa going through Rafiki's "Upendi" treatment lol,
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sure, we can do that.. nice thinking brek..
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maybe a 'can you feel the love tonight' might be better.
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Rocky i'm going to have to retcon the babboon attack. you started it and didn'ty give the other posters time to react, one minute they're invading and the next moment they've opverrun hundreds oif miles of territory? not realistic, unless theyu have a gigantic army. which I doubtt they do. I'm going to retcon the lasst page and restart from there..
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OK, fine.
Here's the back tory I promised for Yuna and Sparta. Part one.
Before the Begining there was Lionial the great sprit. and there was Hyen the devourer. One was the incarnation of good, life and creation. The other of evil death and destruction. For eons, Lionial and hyen battled, the balance of power shifting between them more times tha could be counted.
Only by creating the 13, the original lion kings from who nearly all royal blood lines are decended from, was Lionial finnaly able to defeat Hyen, and cast him down into a dark pit from where he is fedd the souls ofthe wicked, who will suffer for all enterity.
Lionial greived as he law the devastation he helped cause, so he gave up his body to heal the land, his mane to heal the water, and his spirit to heal the sky. He gave the new world leadership in the form of the 13, who sired royal bood lines before they too ascended to the sky to form the gates of lional (The two lion constulation seen in simba's pride).
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Part two.
In the day of king Ahadi, a terrible drought struck the pride lands. Many animals fled to other lands, seeking better places to raise their young. Most went to marshridge.
However as most of these animals had given birth to young. Over Population arose, creating famine. To combat this, King Maximus, Yuna's predecessor ordered massive hunts. Soon predators were killing more that eating. But this led to a pile up of dead animals, creating disease. This disease became the marshridge plauge which wiped out the royal family among others.
To prevent anarchy, the leaders of each heards gathered and formed the marshridge high council in hopes of ruling until a new king could be crowned. Sadly none were worthy and the council was forced to maintain leadership..at least until two lions emearged.
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Yuna wasn't always a king, but he wasn't even a prince. He was once a cronicler in the marsh ridge caste system, tasked with maintaining the knowledge of Marshridge's history, traditions, stories and beliefs.
However as Yuna learned more about Marshridge's past, he grew increasingly concerned with the present corrupption in the high council, and the inequailty among the animals.
Yuna became inspired by the words and Ideas of a gladitorial pit fighter. A lion who named himself after one of lionial's 13 original kings. Sparticus. Sparticus vowed to challange marshridge's leadership and demand they abolish the caste system so all animals can be treated as equals.
This gladiator turned revolutionary rapidly gather a loyal following. Yuna began to secretly corrispond with sparticus, who came tobecome something of a mentor to him. And as Sparticus left the gladatorial arena for the political, he saw fit to shorten his name.
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Part four
Before long, Sparta appeared before the high council to propose his vision for a just socioty, and it was here he began to reveal his true colors. By Proclaiming the need to overthrow the high council by force, and arrogantly demanding to be named the king of Marshridge.
But Yuna did not beleive in violance as a means of acheiving justice and equality. And as he spoke, the hearts and minds of the council were moved by Yuna's words, Here for the first time since Marshridge's golden age tood someone worthy of being marshridge's kng. But even with the council's blessings, Yuna still lacked a royal blood line of his own and could only truely achieve that honor by earing the blessings of lionial and the 13 original kings.
With his ambitions twarted, Sparta spitefully severed all ties with both Yuna and the council and in time came to wage war against all who opposed him through his growing army of followers, which he named the conquerers.
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Sparta vowwed to claim the title of lion king no matter what the coast. In time warfare spread across marshridge like a wildfire, consuming everyone and everything in it's path. Hoping to stop the war, Yuna journyed to the holist sight in all marshridge, the Marshridge Plateau. There he sought the guidance of the great kings of the past, but instead found himself befor Lionial and the 13 originial kings. Sensing the purity and strength Yuna had. They bestowed the title of king upon Yuna and royal status upon all his decendents. that is how a surprised and humbled croniclier came to become Yuna: The rightful king of marshridge.
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Rocky there are no holy sites in the lion king story. you must try and keep the film in mind
we cannot have characters ain any way connected to transformers involved in this story period. your back story simply does not work. the prides are monarchies, not councils, they are ruled by a single king, or by a pair of lions if there is more than 1 lion born to the king. the king is determined by birth, unless the heir is unfit then the king choses some other male. there is no voting, no elections, no magic involved, except wiytth the mystics who serve the kingdom, and each pride has one. your story, does don't work.
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Furthermore, marshridge is not an African name, it is English, or American. You must remember thsat this is set in Africa, Rocky. the names of characters asnd locations must be african. vitani, kopa kiara kovu, those names work. yuna does. marshridge does not. futerhermore, everyt priode has certain unique customs or rules, such as having brother and sister share authority in some prides, orthers have two males running it you can create a unique tradition for yunas kingdom, but it must be something realistic.
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well it's alot better than making Yuna like scar.
Besides how do explain mufasa's ghost if there's no magic. and holy can mean sacred, like how cetain places have important signifigance. And besides whatis the point of an Rp if you an't expand the mythos of a franchise?
again I said in the posts that the royal blood line was wiped out and the council was a stop gap messure that turned into a broken system, and it's not like I'm droping optimus and megatron into the pridelands( That's my beast wars Idea) I'm baseing characters who are 100% orgainic loins on their personalities.
and This story Idea is inspired by the back stories of Optimus and megatron the same way lion king was influenced by hamlet, Romeo and Juliet and that one play that tells hamlet from the prospective of the sidekicks.
also If your going to stick to the movie then you might want to reconsider the babboons entirely, since last time I checked, babboon cults were not in the story either.
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babboons work much better than anything you proposed since they are at least african animals. there are no councils, monsarchies and prides do not work that way rocky. what you proposed does not work, and you need to try again. Mufasas ghost appearing is not magic but rather supernatural. it is a nod to hamlet. ghosts are not magical, they are literally the form of a dead creature..as i sauid i do not want transformers in way shape or form in this story.. even as inspiration..you have beast wars for that/. tryy again.
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forthermore roclky this is now the second lk rpo you have sidetracked
the first one, you sidetracked after nearly 50 pages by focusing almost completely on your character damon and making him a completely unlikable character and not letting the plot progress as the rest of us wanted. we could not continue because your character wanted to sacrifice himself or kill himself. n we rebotted the rp, but now the story is at a standstill again , because you have moved the babbons from a small infilrating group to completely overrunning the entire pridelands in just a few posts, and now want to bring in elements clearly imspired by transformers, but that have absolutely no place in a story about the lion king. councils, sacred places and wiping out entire royal lines does nothing to connect this kingdom to the parameters of the settings. yuna does not have to be like scar, you can have him be brown maned with blue eyes and have him be a good lion. if you cannot rp well with others, rocky then perhaps this particular rp is not for you. I do not want to have to reboot this a second time. but if we cannot get this story moving again, than i will have no choice but to do so.
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OK scrap it how about this Idea.
Marsh ridge was once a peaceful land ruled by King Yuna and his brother Lord high protector Sparta. They ruled as equals, one fair the other firm. But In Time Sparta became convinced his input and postion were both diminishing, began to oppose Yuna more and more. In Time a civil war errupted in marshridge as the kingdom was divided by a tragic war that has divided families, destroyed friendships and devastated a once great land.
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Marshridge is not an African name. and rocky there are no councills in a monarchy
you have kings and princes, queens and princesses. sparta is a prince.and even using your scenario there would be no reason for simba or kopa to involve themselves in another kingdoms civil war.the kingdoms usually keep to themselves.
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who says it has to have an african Name? Pride rock is an african jname and besides. who said anthing about a council. I'm talking abot Sparta simply thinking that his position in the royal family is not getting the proper respect.
also your the one wwants them to go to Yuna's kingdom in first place. and in my original scenario, It was the spirits of the 13 original kings who annointed Yuna as king. But I could change it to where the land fell into total chaos until Yuna was choosen by the 13 original lion kings as the new king for that land.
Besides what's wrong with Marshridge, the whole Idea it is not an african ame is kind of a weak defense.
Scar
Banzai (Ten thousand years in japanese)
Ed
are three examples of non african names in the franchise
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I did not want to go to Yunas kingdom,. it was your character that suggested it. While kingsdoms have thier own unique customs and traditionds, ythey are mostly similiar
in the lk world, the ones who are disrespected are spares, royal backups. we could say that Sparta is a spare, whether first second or third i leave to you. what seperates spares is thier birth order and thier abilities.. what i am trying to get at it Rocky is this. You can expoand the mythos but you must try and balance it with how real lion prides work. you can have enemy babbons jaguars royal cubs raised by shamans, do as your heart fancies.
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Honestly, I think we should just reboot again. This is the second time our plot has been completely derailed without allowing others to have the time to properly respond.
I'll admit, I got tired of how both rps had their focuses completely shifted to virtually unlikable characters.
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ok, we are going to reboot again. I'm Sorry Rocky but we're going to have to ask that you not particpate in the reboot.
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I humbuly ask for one more chance, Please.
I'll dump Makaila and Damon and start over
Name: Chui
Age:cub
Specoies: Leopard
Appearance: Chui is you typical leopard cub, aside from only having half a tail, He won't say where it came from, but it was the result of babboons who also killed his mom.
Personality: After a brief period of mopping and mourning. He is a cheerful and plyful cub curious to learn about the world around him. Chui is eager to make friends, even if their not leopards.
Bio: Chui's life was average for a leopard, except his mother abandoned him at birth. however his sister, who lost a cub raised Chui until the day Babboons attacked his sister's hunting territory after he wandered away from the safety of his Den. Chui was able to escape, but with half his tail gone and his sister dead. He met Kopa and Neutari who helped him cope and he's stuck with them ever since.
Please don't black list me,I'll be good I promise.
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fine, but this is your last chance. don';t sidetrack the rp.. it takes away the fun from the other players..
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At this point, I'd rather reboot a second time or at least retcon a good bit of the 2nd rp.
We explained our problems with how the first one went, but you continued them in the first reboot
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you can play as Chui , and I'd keep makaila, it weas Damon we had such issues with. hes there but we wont use him.. we're goping to start fresjh i think/..
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good point. I also have an Idea were Chui develops a fear of blood beacause of loosing his Sister, maybe a side story or two about him being a leopard among lions, but otherwise he will be a playful energetic cub. Also I think the Babboon leader could wear chui's sister's pelt as a sign of his status, having made it into a hood and cape to wear.
as well as Chui and Kopa having a father/Son relationship due to kopa being the closest thing Chui has to a father.
also could I be rafiki too, since you got Nutari.