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Spyro - Analysis, Elements & Merging Series

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INTRODUCTION
What can be called the "Spyro Canon" is made up of three distinct series of video games: the Original Spyro series, the Legend Of Spyro series, and the Skylanders series.
   While these series are not explicitly said to be direct continuations of events; each series being technically a reboot of the last, it is in fact possible to logically unite the three into a grand unified universe, using some clever thinking to explain the various discrepancies between the three.
   For several reasons; some of which will be discussed in greater detail further on, I have come to the conclusion that the Legend Of Spyro series takes place before the Original series, and the Skylanders series takes place in another world some time after this. These reasons include the following:

*Technology and relations with other species appears to be much more advanced in the Original series than in the Legend Of Spyro series.
*The Dragons of the Original series are largely bipedal while the Legend Of Spyro series Dragons are quadrupedal, suggesting that this method of standing evolved over time.
*The title of "Legend" coupled with the fantastical setting suggesting that the series is an older one - the story of Spyro, Cynder and Malefor may be a well-known story that every dragon in the Original series knows.

This article will thus attempt to explain the primary conflicting issues of the two series - specifically the Original series and the Legend Of Spyro series. Minor discrepancies such as characters or species having different appearances in different games can be simply passed off as a retcon, but some of the more confusing differences will of course require analysing to be properly dealt with.

1.1 REALMS
Drawing a map of the world in the two Spyro series would be a daunting task indeed, due to the sheer amount of locations, and the fact that their relation to one another varies from game to game, which can make in-game maps unreliable, although still useful for orienteering.
   In the Original series, several "Realms" are depicted. In order of appearance, they are;

   *The Dragon Realms:
   As the name suggests, it is the home of all the    Dragons.

   *Avalar:
   A vast realm, home to many different species of    sentient beings, but not to Dragons. It is odd that    the Dragons seemingly had no knowledge of Avalar,    despite being allied with the Fairies who certainly    knew of its existence, but this could perhaps be    Ripto's fault in some way; isolating Avalar from the    rest of the world to prevent them calling for    outsider help to overthrow him.

   *The Forgotten Realms:
   The original homes of the Dragons, until they were    forced to leave - the exact history is unclear; but    it seems like the Sorceress forced the Dragons to    leave, and a dragoness who was posthumously given    the title of “Great Sea Dragon” inadvertently    discovered the Dragon Realms.

   *The Fairy Realms:
   A realm inhabited by Fairies. Fairies are known to    inhabit Avalar, so the Fairy Realms may be located    nearby, or they may even be a part of Avalar or some    other world - the information surrounding it is not    consistent.

   *The Shadow Realms:
   Presumably, the Shadow Realms are another dimension    of the world that the Dragons live in, as they are    identical to the other realms, but are monochrome    and inhabited by strange creatures.

   In the Legend Of Spyro series, no Realms are actively identified, but a small part of the "Valley Of Avalar" is shown; inhabited by Cheetahs - it can be assumed that the unexplored areas of the valley contain the same regions and inhabitants that they do in the Original series - along with the un-named area that Warfang, the Dragon Temple, and all the major areas of the series exist in. There is also "Convexity", which is less a location and more of a gap between worlds.
   So how do these two series of Realms fit together? The answer lies with the moles; in the original series, they only inhabit Avalar and the Forgotten Realms, while in the Legend Of Spyro series, they live alongside the Dragons.
   This suggests that the un-named lands of the Legend Of Spyro series and the Forgotten Realms of the Original series are the same location. The lack of Fairies in the Legend Of Spyro series also suggests that they had not established strong relations with the Dragons at that point - it could be that the un-named lands at the time did not border the Fairy Realms. This can also be used to explain the absence of many of the species seen in the Original series; their homelands hadn't been explored at that point.
   At some time in-between the two series, the Dragons branched out and founded more cities, and the Sorceress established herself as a formidable power alongside the Dragons, and eventually banished them for some unknown reason, whereupon they founded the Dragon Realms, using their magic to build their cities quickly - it is not clear whether this magic is linked to the Elemental Powers, or whether it is Fairy Magic, or if it is an entirely different magic altogether, but it is arguably linked to the magic used by the aptly named "Magic Crafters" and "Dream Weavers". One wonders why the Dragons fell so easily; had they become overly peaceful by this point? Was there no Purple Dragon to stop the Sorceress, or did she best the Purple Dragon of that time - did he become the "Sorceror"; trapped in the Shadow Realm?
   With the death of the Sorceress, the Dragons are of course free to return to their ancestral lands and re-establish their cities - something that never happened in the original series, but which is a logical turn of events.
   It seems that despite having the ability to create portals between various areas of their world, a complete map does not exist, otherwise Avalar would have been a well-known location, and the Fairies could have "reminded" the Dragons of the Forgotten Realms - alternatively, it could be that the Dragons knew of them, but had no desire to return to the Sorceress.

1.11 SKYLAND REALM
What is known as the Skylands is of little relevance to the Dragon Realms of the other two Spyro series. The Spyro of that world is said to be descended from a line of "Rare Purple Dragons" from a faraway land.
   It is highly possible that the Skylands are an entirely different world that was colonised by Dragons - one of which was a descendant of one or both of the Spyros from the other series - at some point in time, quite likely through the use of Portals.
   The vast physical differences between the Dragons of the Skylands and the Dragons of the other two series suggest that they have evolved in some way - perhaps breeding with a Draconic species native to the Skylands.
   
1.2 DRAGON TYPES - REGIONAL VS ELEMENTAL
Different types of Dragon are shown in the two series;
In the original series, there are five, each referring to a different cultural region of the Dragon Realms; Artisan, Peace Keeper, Magic Crafter, Beast Maker, Dream Weaver.
   In the Legend Of Spyro series, there are also five, but these refer to what special ability the Dragon has; Fire, Earth, Electricity, Ice and the many other abilities that are achievable only by a Purple Dragon (Elements will be discussed in greater detail later on).
   If, as suggested above, the Legend Of Spyro series predates the original series, than all these different Elemental "breeds" should still exist as a part of the Regional divisions, which would have first appeared when  the Dragons first colonised the Dragon Realms following their banishment by the Sorceress. This would make Flame and Ember of the original series both Artisan Fire Dragons.
   As for Purple Dragons, it would seem that their numbers have remained low over the years; given that the Skylanders series states that the Spyro of that world comes from a "rare line of Purple Dragons", although this suggests that they are no longer born "once every ten generations", but that a small family of them exists - presumably Malefor never bred in his lifetime, but Spyro and Cynder did, passing on the Purple Dragon "gene".

1.21 DRAGON ELDERS VS GUARDIANS
Two distinct types of authority figure appear in the two series; the Original series has "Dragon Elders", while the Legend Of Spyro series has "Guardians".
   The Guardians are dedicated to raising young dragons in the Dragon Temple and training them to use their Elemental Powers in a Dojo. The Elders appear to be Diplomats, responsible for keeping things calm across the Dragon Realms from the Dragon Dojo - this does not mean they rule the areas; each region still has its own leaders - although this doesn't prevent them from passing on their own knowledge about Draconic Abilities to the next generations.
   The similarities between the two groups could suggest that the Guardians eventually became the Dragon Elders, but there are differences enough in terms of their duties to suggest that the two remained separate. The Dragon Elders seem to have come into existence following the establishment of the Dragon Realms, as a way to maintain relations between the different regions - they might just be a group of the oldest and wisest dragons who are thus thought of as the ideal leaders of the Dragon Realms, as their numbers don’t always seem to conform to the amount of Regions. As for the Guardians, they are never actually identified as Dragon Leaders; perhaps the Dragons with the title were considered important due to their many duties, but were not in charge of Draconic Affairs.
   If the Guardians still exist, each region may have a Dragon Temple with its own set of Guardians - perhaps these are linked to the Dragonfly Dojos, which train Dragonflies for bonding with young Dragons - or there may be one large Temple with Guardians chosen from across the Dragon Realms.

1.3 DRAGON ELEMENTAL POWERS
An Elemental Power refers to what special ability a Dragon has - whether they can breathe Fire or any other substance. In the Legend Of Spyro Series, a Dragon has one Elemental power based off the colour of their scales - Red/Fire, Green/Earth, Yellow/Electricity, Blue/Ice - with the exception of Purple Dragons, who have the ability to learn and use all these elements and more.
   The Original Series differs from this by seemingly depicting all Dragons as having the Element of Fire - this can easily be ignored as a minor inconsistency caused by retcons, such as the green-scaled Elder Tomas offering to aid Spyro with Fire & Ice Breath, unless, as unlikely as it sounds, Purple Dragons mated with the Elemental Breeds, resulting in a new Dragon Breed able to use any Element regardless of scale colour - with the ability to temporarily use other Elements through the use of "Powerup Gates" or Fairy Magic.
   Assuming that these two methods of powerup are not restricted to Purple Dragons - that is to say, that any Dragon can use them, regardless of scale colour - then it can be assumed that these temporary Elemental powerups were invented by the Fairies, and that the Dragons started using them when their two species came in contact with one another.
   Several powers are granted by a Dragon Spirit to Spyro, but since these are temporary, it is possible that the Spirit - perhaps a past Purple Dragon - was channelling powers from the ancestors directly into Spyro, giving him the ability to use them without training.
   One question arises here: why wasn't the Spyro of the Original series taught to use all the Elements? This is of course the result of a retcon, but it can be explained in-game as one of the following;
   
   A: The Dragons had forgotten the significance of    Purple Dragons.
   B: The Dragons knew of the Purple Dragon's powers,    but decided not to educate him as he was young,    and/or there was no urgency for him to learn them.
   C: The Dragons were attempting to prevent Spyro from    walking down the same path as Malefor.
   D: The Artisan lands where Spyro lived were largely    populated by Fire Dragons, and as such they could    only teach him the one element.
   E: Fairy Magic had become a common way to grant any    Dragon a Temporary Elemental Power, and as such the    Dragons decided it would be easier and less time-   consuming than actually training Spyro.

   On another note, Spyro's status as a Purple Dragon could be one of the reasons he is the one required to save the day instead of another Dragon - despite it being attributed to his tiny size, it could be that Spyro escaped being frozen inside a Crystal by an unknown-to-him power linked to his Purple colour.

1.31 CLASSICAL ELEMENTS
The four colour system used for these elements - Fire, Earth, Electricity and Ice - suggests that these were the first four elements identified, or at least the most common of them.
   In the Original series, Fire appears to be an ability common amongst all Dragons, although this is likely an inconsistency caused by retcons. Interestingly, it also states that Fireflies are linked to the ability to breathe Fire - without them, the Dragons can only breathe Ice.
   This could suggest that the Fire & Ice Dragons are closely linked in terms of genetics - perhaps something in an Ice Dragon's body makes them immune to the effects of Fireflies, and their Icy body physiology reflects this.
   Alternatively, given the fact that the Fairies are evidently able to grant Elemental Powers to Dragons, it could be that they used the Fireflies to grant Fire Breath to all Dragons, and as such the temporary loss of the Fireflies weakened the spell. However, this wouldn't explain the side-effects causing the Dragons to breathe Ice. It is more likely that the incident only affected a quarter of the Dragons - those who had Fire as their Element.
   There is little to mention about Electricity and Ice, which appear in both series, and whose powers are self-explanatory. Earth, however, does not appear in the Original series, meaning all we know about it is what is shown of it in the Legend Of Spyro series.
   Oddly, what constitutes the Earth Element varies from game to game; in the first game, the element mostly summons Wind storms, in the second, it consists of a Green Energy attack, plus physical attacks that affect the ground surrounding the user, in the third, it involves manipulating rock with Green Energy.
   This suggests that an Earth Dragon does not summon its Elemental "breath" from within itself to use as an attack, as the other Elemental Dragons do, but instead uses a Green Energy that can be used as an attack on its own, or to influence Earth - and possibly also plants - around it; either channelling it through the ground, or using it to bind bits of Earth together into a boulder. It is worth noting that concept art for the Four Guardians shows them all breathing a "smoke" the colour of their scales, which could suggest that all their Elements; not just the Earth Element, are connected to some form of underlying Magical Energy which manifests itself differently depending on the Element.

1.32 PURPLE DRAGONS
Purple Dragons are said to be born once every Ten Generations - whether this is still valid is unclear, as mentioned above. The exact length of a Dragon Generation is not known, as it is still unclear whether or not the Chronicler lived at the same time as Malefor, which would mean that Ten Generations are equal to many Millenia.
   A Purple Dragon's birth could also indicate the beginning and ending of an Age, and as such, the handing down of the mantle of Chronicler to a noble Dragon of the Age. It is not clear whether the rarity of these births were due to magical occurrences, or whether the genetic combination of Elemental Dragons that resulted in a Purple Dragon was so rare that it only came along ever so often.
   Purple Dragons have the ability to use any Element, including the Four Classical Elements. The ability to manipulate time is one such Element that appears to be exclusive to the Purple Dragons, although its origins may lie with the Chronicler - that is to say, whoever created the Chronicler's position may have bestowed this power upon whoever held the title.
   The Element of Convexity is another Element believed to be exclusive to Purple Dragons - it might in fact be the natural element of a Purple Dragon, considering how a Dragon's scale colouring generally reflects the colour of the Element they use.
   Convexity itself - the "Realm, as opposed to the Element - is described as an "airlock" between worlds, so the Purple Dragons are harnessing the mysterious energy of this place every time they use this Element. The Element of Convexity might
   Convexity is shown to have many different versions of attack, generally appearing as raw energy, but also showing throughout the games the ability to summon a portal - which makes sense, given that Convexity exists between worlds - the ability to turn an opponent to stone, and the ability to use a form of fire and bombing attacks.
   This could suggest that the energy of Convexity can in fact be manipulated to achieve any number of attacks, and it may be this that gives Purple Dragons the ability to use all Elements; they are using their natural Element of Convexity to shape raw energy into replicas of the other Elements.
   Although not necessarily one of their powers, it was believed that a Purple Dragon would "put a stamp on [their] Age". Malefor believed that this meant a Purple Dragon's destiny was to renew the world by awakening an ancient machine known as the "Destroyer".
   At this point in time, it is still unclear for what reason the Destroyer was built. Was it intended to be used by Purple Dragons to cleanse the world, or did it have some other purpose; perhaps one linked to the equally mysterious Stone Golems of Tall Plains? It's worth noting that Malefor appears to have equipped the machines with Dark Crystals, which may have corrupted them.
   If the world had indeed been destroyed and rebuilt by Purple Dragons many times - and it is worth noting that Spyro did have the ability to restore the world, although this could have been him manipulating the Convexity Element - then this could explain why the Chronicler said Malefor was the first Purple Dragon; his archives only went back to the beginning of the present age - the Chronicler does also remark when he first meets Spyro that his archives contain most of the history, but not all.
   On that note, he also says that the records date back "to the beginning of time…nearly", so it is more likely that the Chronicler is the proper authority on the subject, and that Malefor merely believes that his purpose is to destroy the world - provided of course the Chronicler is not lying to Spyro to prevent the world being destroyed.
   Malefor's corruption, and his desire to destroy the world could have begun with him discovering the existence of the Destroyer - since its only purpose appears to be to destroy the world, Malefor might have ultimately concluded that the world was meant to be destroyed and rebuilt every few generations, and that a Purple Dragon was meant to activate it.
   In his eyes, this would have justified any crimes committed by him - the world needed to be cleansed, and all would perish anyway, and the end result would have been a new world free of evil.
   It is not clear how Malefor intended for the world to be repopulated following its destruction; perhaps he assumed that the various life forms on the planet would be restored when the world reformed.
   On a final note, the "Sorcerer" from the Original series appeared to be a Purple Dragon, and claimed to be the only "true dragon". What this means is up for debate - it could be that Purple Dragons come from the Shadow Realm, or the Sorcerer could be a Shadow version of the Purple Dragons of the Dragon Realms, or he could even be a past Purple Dragon who became trapped in the Shadow Realm.

1.33 UNCOMMON ELEMENTS
Many more Elements than the Four Classical Elements are known to exist, but it is not known whether there is a Dragon Breed for each Element, or whether there are only the five Breeds known thus far. If they do exist, it is likely that their Scale Colour will match the colour on the Elemental Symbol used to represent it.
   Four elements are all bestowed upon Cynder as a result of Malefor's influence - something that could also be responsible for the unusual colour of her scales - Poison, Fear, Wind & Shadow. With the exception of Wind, all these Elements are arguably dark ones, and they were likely discovered by Malefor upon his corruption. It is unclear exactly how Malefor bestowed these Elements upon Cynder; as it seems the only other way for Non-Purple Dragons to learn other Elements is to have them temporary granted to them by Fairy Magic - which presumably briefly alters their internal Elemental Energy to accomodate another power - but it could be a result of some form of Malefor binding itself with Cynder, causing some of his Elemental Powers as a Purple Dragon to spill over into her.
   Wind is first described by the Chronicler as being one of the Elements learnt by a young Malefor. It has been suggested by some that Wind and Earth are linked, due to the "Tornado" attacks demonstrated in the first game, but this is unlikely first of all due to the fact that the two Elements are identified separately from one another, and also because Earth appears to use Energy to manipulate its surroundings, as discussed above, whereas Wind would probably involve a Dragon's lungs and breathing capabilities.
   Water is an Element that only appears in the Original series, and is made possible by Fairy Magic. As such, it is not clear how this Element works; if a "Water Dragon" existed, it is not known whether they would have a bladder inside the body for the storing and expelling of water, or whether they would manipulate and summon water to attack with, like Earth Dragons.
   There is also a "Bubble Breath" used in the Original series, which allows a Dragon to create large bubbles to trap small creatures - specifically Dragonflies - in safely. This is likely linked to one of the other Elements.   

1.34 SKYLANDERS ELEMENTS
As the Skylanders series takes place in an entirely different world to the other two series, its Elemental powers might not be bound by the same laws of the Elements in the other series, such as scale colour reflecting a Dragon's Element - for example, a Blue Water Dragon is shown to have Electricity Elementals. Despite this, they can still be useful as they give a greater look into what Elements can exist.
   The Skylanders Elements are; Earth, Air, Fire, Water, Life, Undead, Magic, Tech, Light, Darkness. Of these, the first four can be seen as variants of known Elements, "Life", "Undead" & "Magic" could all be explained as being specific areas of Magic; such as healing and necromantic powers. "Tech" is an artificial element, and it's worth noting that not all of the Skyland inhabitants are Dragons, and as such, they may be using machines or a different form of magic to the Dragons. Light and Dark could also be other forms of magic, or they could be energy-based Elements similar to Convexity and Earth.

1.4 YOUNG DRAGONS
1.41 EGGS
In both the Original and the Legend Of Spyro series, Dragon Eggs are shown as hatching in the "Year Of The Dragon", which is every twelve years. While the latter series does not discuss the subject, the former series flat-out states that Dragons only hatch in the Year Of The Dragon.
   This slow cycle of reproduction could be due to some sort of custom, such as a ritual calendar - perhaps it is considered good luck for a Dragon to hatch in the Year of its species - or it could be something like a form of population control, or it could be that Dragonesses are only fertile once every twelve years, or it could be that some form of magic only present in the Year Of The Dragon is required to let the Eggs hatch.
   The Dragon Eggs themselves are dealt with differently in both series. In the Legend Of Spyro series, all the Dragon Eggs are placed inside the Dragon Temple, and are kept safe by the Four Elemental Guardians who reside there. In the Original Series, Fairies bring the Eggs to the Dragon Realms.
   Presumably, reproduction occurs for Dragons in the normal fashion, but the Fairies delivering the eggs could be an intentional ceremony; where the Fairies make a big show of delivering the new eggs to their nesting place.
   It would seem to be common practise to leave Dragon Eggs in a Nursery of sorts, as both series have a form of this - the Nursery in the Original Spyro series, and the Dragon Temple in the Legend Of Spyro series.
The reasons for the change could be one of several:
   A: Dragon Temples fell out of use in Dragon Society,    and were replaced by Nurseries.
   B: Nurseries were founded as an off-shoot of    the Dragon Temples.
   C: Nurseries were founded for smaller Dragon    settlements without a Dragon Temple nearby.
   D: Dragon Eggs were never meant to be kept at Dragon    Temples; this was merely done as an attempt to    protect the next generation from Malefor.

1.42 DRAGONFLIES
Dragonflies are fairly important in the Original Series. At the time of their hatching, a Dragon is bonded with a Dragonfly who is supposed to protect it; having been trained in a Dragonfly Dojo, which may, as mentioned above, be connected to the Dragon Temples/Nurseries.
   A dragonfly's life expectancy is not known, and none of the adult dragons are seen with them - this doesn't necessarily mean they are deceased or on their own by this age; the dragonflies may just be keeping out of sight.
   It has been suggested that a Dragonfly's purpose is merely to guard the young Dragon until it reaches adulthood, and is such capable of looking after itself, which could suggest their absence is indeed due to death or them leaving their "wards".
   In the Legend Of Spyro series, no dragons are bonded with Dragonflies, but the young Spyro is raised by a family of Dragonflies who live in a swamp.
   This legend could be the origin of the custom of bonding Dragonflies with young Dragons - many reasons could be said as to why; the Dragon parents might have copied Spyro, thinking it a clever thing to do, or it could have been a result of a misunderstanding of Sparx's role in the Legend.

1.5 GEMS
In the Original series, Gems are used as a form of currency. In the Legend Of Spyro series, "Spirit Gems" are introduced, and are said to be the "Life Force" of Dragons. From what has been observed of their nature, it seems that when a Dragon dies, their body disappears and is replaced with a Spirit Gem, which then can be shattered to obtain the Energy within. The same thing happens to the Apes under Malefor's control, but this might be due to them "artificially harnessing" the Gems - in other words, it might be that only Dragons collapse into Crystal, and all other creatures die and decompose as normal, unless of course they have absorbed a Spirit Gem, at which point they will expel it.
   It's not too hard to imagine over time that Spirit Gems started being used as items of barter; being a highly desirable item due to their healing and replenishing abilities.
   Dragon Spirits are said to "bind themselves with nature"; whether this means Spirit Gems are Dragon Spirits in solid form, or merely just the Energy that a deceased Dragon had in life is unclear.

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Very good analysis. Of course it raised the unanswered question: where are all the female drasgons? Cynder is the only female shown in the legend series, reason stands there should be more than just the one young dragoness..otherwise the dragon race will go extinct in a few generations..same with the original series ember is the onlt female dragoness shown of Spyro's age..
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I always thought that the Spyro in the original series was the father of the Spyro in the Legend series.
 

 


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no the Spyro in the Legend series is likely the ancestor of the original Spyro. for me i don;y consider Skylander to be true Spyro, since there are so many differences between it and the other series. Spyro really isn't that special in this series, hes just one of many creatures, while in the oiriginal and especially in the Legend Series, he stood out.
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Hmm...I was trawling through some fan-fics of LOS, and one appeared to be A New Beginning written from Spyro's POV. At one point, Ignitus made a point of telling Spyro something like...dragons born in the same clutch share a bond, but dragons do not have brothers or sisters. I need to know whether this is an actual quote from the games or not.

If it is, then I'll write the following theories up a bit fancier and add it to the Essay.

From these words, we can assume that a Dragoness only lays one egg when she clutches. Ignitus' words are confusing, as it suggests that a Dragon couple only have one child in their lifetime. This is unlikely, as it would result in each Dragon Generation being a smaller number than the last, until there would be only one Dragon left; from the last pair.
If it is a custom to have only one child, it is likely that this is not linked to a Dragonesses ability to have children - if a Dragoness could only lay one egg in their lifetime, than the Dragon Race would have gone extinct at the end of LOS; with only Cynder the only fertile female left, provided no other Dragonesses had been absent from the last clutching. More likely this was a custom founded by the dragons for some reason; perhaps to prevent overpopulation.
On the other hand, as mentioned above, one child per Dragon couple would slowly and surely bring the Dragons to extinction. It is thus likely that Ignitus was referring to siblings of the same age when he claimed that a Dragon does not have siblings. The bond between two dragon siblings might not be so strong if stretched across twelve years - the length between Years of the Dragon. Alternatively, Ignitus may have merely spoken without thinking his words through properly.


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yes there was an argument in the fandom over whether Cynder was actually spyro's sister. which would raise some very.. interewsting questions, since they are the only young dragons in the game, they would have to mate at some point to keep the race going, and incest is a no-no in our society, a taboo really. so cynder woiuld have to be unrelated to Spyro for it to work. the bond between them was because they were from the same brood. that does not make them related, because i imagine each egg was laid by a different female, who were either killed off or hid extremely well since we never see them.. the quote is that they share a bond, but ignitus diod not say that a dragon could not have siblings, at least it was never explicitly stated as such. but since all the other eggs were smashed that means that they don;t have any other relations..
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Quote from: Nick22,Aug 5 2011 on  11:40 PM
no the Spyro in the Legend series is likely the ancestor of the original Spyro. for me i don;y consider Skylander to be true Spyro, since there are so many differences between it and the other series. Spyro really isn't that special in this series, hes just one of many creatures, while in the oiriginal and especially in the Legend Series, he stood out.
One of the reasons Skylanders is going to suck, maybe as much as the unnessary Devil May Cry reboot.
 

 


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It also doesn't help that spyro looks like a generic gremlin who happens to be purple..
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Quote from: Nick22,Aug 5 2011 on  11:40 PM
no the Spyro in the Legend series is likely the ancestor of the original Spyro. for me i don;y consider Skylander to be true Spyro, since there are so many differences between it and the other series. Spyro really isn't that special in this series, hes just one of many creatures, while in the oiriginal and especially in the Legend Series, he stood out.
Actually no. Insomniac Spyro and Legend of Spyro worlds are completely separate and have nothing to do with each other.

On the topic of Skylanders, I have heard that beta testing has actually gone well. The Skylander series is meant for a younger audience, and that younger audience is enjoying the game. So Skylanders is pretty much successful.

I may give the game a chance. I'm not going to shun it simply because it's different. Let's not forget that Legend of Spyro is also a reboot itself, following a new Spyro. I was skeptical of it at first, but I did come to like the game once I got past Spyro's weird new look (which I now find cute).

Who knows? Skylanders may turn out to be a really fun game to play.

Oh and to point out, Spyro is actually still special in Skylanders, from what I read. He's still a rare purple dragon and shares traits with both Insomniac Spyro and LOS Spyro.


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its one thing to reboot something, another to -re-reboot it and gear it to a much younger audience than the fan who have bought the previous games. spyro imo, didn't need another reboot, you could have wrung another game or two out of the legend" world..Spyro still needed to be reunited with Ignitus and how Malefor was defeated the first time still needed to be explained.
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I see nothing wrong with rebooting the game for a younger audience. Are you forgetting that the original trilogy was geared towards a young audience as well? Legend of Spyro was made for a more mature audience, while the original was meant for young kids. Skylanders is going back to the original target audience.

All in all, I don't think Skylanders is really that bad of a move. It may turn out to be a fun game. Instead of shunning it, be willing to give it a chance. Don't judge it by comparing it to the other two Spyro franchises, and instead judge it as its own game. I do feel Skylanders is worth checking out at least once. I just hope that, when people judge the game, they don't make the huge mistake of saying like "it's nothing like the other Spyro games", as the game should be judged based on its own merits, not the merits people think it should have, being part of the Spyro franchise.

Edit: I almost forgot to mention. It seems that most professional reviews of what the game has shown so far have been positive. It's largely only the fans that are reviewing it negatively, and one of the reasons is only because it's another reboot.


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Dark, i am well aware that the originally trilogy was geared towards a younger audience, but at the same time, te reason I don't like the new series to date is the whole addittional roys and stuff you have to buy at get the full game experience. it gives off to me a vibe like a generic 'monsters' game that just happened to have spyro in it, and Spyro really doesn't look like a dragon. I liked the legend series and was hoping to see more from that,  this move was not something I expected. I'm willing to give it a chance, heck my first Spyro game was the awful Enter the Dragonfly.but its going to have to be good  to gain my support for future games.
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Spyro's new look is kinda creepy I admit. I first learned about Skylanders through a fanart, this one to be precise: http://shalonesk.deviantart.com/art/Spyro-...0skylander&qo=2

I may review the game after playing it, though it won't come out for about a month.


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yes there was an argument in the fandom over whether Cynder was actually spyro's sister. which would raise some very.. interewsting questions, since they are the only young dragons in the game, they would have to mate at some point to keep the race going, and incest is a no-no in our society, a taboo really. so cynder woiuld have to be unrelated to Spyro for it to work. the bond between them was because they were from the same brood. that does not make them related, because i imagine each egg was laid by a different female, who were either killed off or hid extremely well since we never see them.. the quote is that they share a bond, but ignitus diod not say that a dragon could not have siblings, at least it was never explicitly stated as such. but since all the other eggs were smashed that means that they don;t have any other relations..

Hang on, where is it ever said in the series that Cynder is the last Female Dragon? Just cause no other Female Dragons appeared in the series doesn't mean they're all gone - remember that aside from the Dragon Temple and potentially Warfang, all the LOS games pretty much take place away from Dragon-inhabited areas.

All the dragonesses who laid the eggs from the last clutch would still be alive, unless they were somehow all killed, and surely the Guardians would have mentioned such a disaster.  More likely there's whole villages of dragons in places that didn't appear in the games cause they weren't relevant to the plot.


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At the same time you would think they'd show some female dragons, just to drive home that point, instead all we see in the games were the 5 male dragons, including the chronicler (Malefors technically dead, so we'll call him a ghost) spyro and Cynder. you would think they'd show some female dragons..so spyro can learn about them nd what thier rle in is, apart from laying eggs that is..
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Haven't quite thought it out yet, but I'm toying with a follow-up to discuss Elements, and how they relate to the Dragons. This would include Elemental Sigils and Symbols, as well as the "Colour" of each Element, and how a hypothetical dragon of this Element would appear - in terms of both colour and scale growths. Here's what I've started writing, with several incomplete areas with only quick notes.

Concept art for ANB shows three Elemental "Sigils" representing the Elements in abstract form - although I haven't managed to find concept art of the fourth, I am told it appears in game. Each sigil is round, with three small circles placed every 120 Degrees around the outside, plus one circle in the middle - reconstructions of these symbols can be seen here; Elemental Sigils.

Determining the precise symbology behind these sigils would be a good way to expand the knowledge of Spyro's world for the fanbase, as well as allow more accurate fan-characters to be created.

FIRE
Colour: Red.
Dragon Scales Resemble: Flames.
Sigil: Pattern resembles that of a burning fire.
DOTD Symbol: Fire.
DS Symbol: Fire on white background.

EARTH:
Colour: Green.
Dragon Scales Resemble: Rock.
Sigil: A line spiralling clockwise around the centre circle.
DOTD Symbol: Unknown (Couldn't find it online)
DS Symbol: Brown rock on green background.

ELECTRICITY:
Colour: Yellow.
Dragon Scales Resemble: Metal.
Sigil: A line that circles the centre circle, zig-zagging several times.
DOTD Symbol: Classic lightning bolt design; a single zig-zagged line.
DS Symbol: Yellow electricity on black background.

ICE:
Colour: Blue.
Dragon Scales Resemble: Ice.
Sigil: Three lines going straight across the centre from the top left of the circle.
DOTD Symbol: Three-pronged ice stalactites.
DS Symbol: Blue crystals on white background.

We can discern several simple things from this - each Elemental colour reflects the scale colour of the dragon, and all the symbols referring to it will be linked to the main use of the Element - and we can use this to figure out more about the other Elements. The Earth Sigil remains confusing, as the spiral pattern doesn't seem to reflect the nature of the Element, and the only connection seems to be that the angles of the spiral are similar to the rocky edges of Terrador's scales. However, when one recalls that the Earth Element likely uses energy to manipulate the area around it - as theorised in my article - it is likely that the spiral refers to this summoning of Earth - plus, in the first game, Earth also seems to be linked to Wind, which would suit the spiral pattern, but again, this is merely a result of their energy manipulating.

Now, we have the following information about the Elements used by Cynder - bracketed information indicating I haven't actually seen the image, only read a description of it.

FEAR
DOTD Symbol: (Ruby) bust of Cynder's head.
DS Symbol: A Red human skull on a dark background.

POISON
DOTD Symbol: Three green droplets.
DS Symbol: Green bubbling liquid on a white background

WIND
DOTD Symbol: A spiral (White on a background of Grey-Blue).
DS Symbol: A Blue-white tornado on a black background.

SHADOW
DOTD Symbol: (A yin-yang symbol of Dark Purple above Dark Blue)
DS Symbol: A Purple hand on a white background.

We can easily assume that Fear and Poison Dragons, if they existed, would be coloured Red and Green, respectively. Since both symbols share the same basic layout, it can be assumed that their sigils would also reflect this; perhaps a Fear Sigil having a skull pattern, and a Poison Sigil having three droplets on it similar to the Ice Sigil. The scales could resemble

Wind is either grey or blue, but I can't make a judgement until I've seen the pic. Dragon scales could resemble clouds?
Shadow is confusing, cause it obviously can't be purple. Perhaps Indigo, and the Purple refers to the power itself. Fairly close to a "darkness" element.

In addition to this, each Dragon Type has several scale markings of a different colour, as seen with the Guardians - darker for Ignitus, but lighter for the other Guardians. With the exception of Volteer; whose markings resemble lightning bolts, the dragons all have fairly simple markings

that could be said to resemble their general attack?


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Rediscovered this thread by accident, and remembered that I wrote a follow-up to all this that largely looks at how "Skylanders" could fit with the earlier games in the series - and also readdresses some parts of the initial document that were written before Skylanders actually came out.

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1.6 SKYLANDERS REVISITED
First of all, let's go over what we know about the characters of Spyro - or Skyro, as he is occasionally called by fans to differentiate him from the previous two incarnations - as he appears in Skylanders. What is known about this new Spyro? Despite being a wholly new character, his backstory contains elements of both of the series that predate Skylanders.
Spyro is said to be from a line of rare purple dragons - as in the Legend of Spyro series - and is stated as having been a hero from a young age; having gone on many adventures as a result - alluding to the Original Spyro games. This work eventually caught the eye of Master Eon, who transported Spyro to the Skylands to get him to join the forces with the Skylanders. At some point following this, Spyro eventually defeated Cynder and freed her from the control of Malefor; the Undead Dragon King - a reference to the plot of the first game in the Legend of Spyro series.
So what do we make of this? Despite the many links this backstory creates with the previous two series, "Skyro" cannot really be thought of as the same dragon from either of those series without creating massive inconsistencies across games - in addition to this, the backstory states he's one of many purple dragons, which should rule both of the other two out. However, as I suggested previously, he can be thought of as a descendant of both dragons. To properly reconcile the earlier two series with Skylanders, some more information needs to be looked at.

1.61 APPEARANCES
Let's first consider the physical appearance of Spyro and Cynder; specifically, how they differ from designs in the previous two series. It's worth noting that countless characters have had their appearances changed between games, for example; the appearances of the Elders from the earlier Spyro games are drastically revamped for Spyro: A Hero's Tail, and perhaps somewhat infamously, Spyro and Cynder change in many ways between The Eternal Night and Dawn of the Dragon; Cynder even changing colours slightly - although this is often thought of as being the cause of bad lighting. Basically, this sort of change is nothing new, and the altered appearance of the dragon characters in Skylanders could be seen as being a minor retcon; an extension of the changes that come with graphical advances across games.
Alternatively, it could be the result of evolution. In my original essay, I suggested the possibility that the five dragon types described in the first Spyro game - Artisans, Peace Keepers, Magic Crafters, Beast Makers and Dream Weavers - were "breeds" that had evolved following the shift from the Forgotten Realms; although it's worth noting that the "breeds" could have existed prior to the shift, made up of dragons who adjusted to certain areas of the world over time.
In any case, Spyro and Cynder's appearances could be explained as them being an entirely new breed that developed in another area of the world over time. Interestingly, one of the background stories for Skylanders states that Spyro lived in Summer Forest in Avalar before coming to the Skylands; as mentioned in my previous essay, no dragons dwelled in Avalar during the Original Series. Thus, it could be that the Spyro of the original series eventually settled down there at some point, and started a line of dragons that would eventually evolve over time into these new dragons.
It's also worth noting that their changed appearance could potentially be the result of interspecial breeding. In the original series, two dragons; Spyro himself and Ember, are shown as potentially beginning relationships with non-dragons; Spyro with Elora the Faun and Ember with Bandit the Armadillo. In the former case, Spyro reportedly "missed his chance" with Elora, but Ember and Bandit remained committed to one another during the events of Shadow Legacy. At no point do the games or the characters within them suggest that an interspecies relationship such as this should be impossible, although it should be clear to anybody that physically this shouldn't be possible, at least when considering having children.
So how would this barrier be passed? Simple; with fairy magic. As mentioned in the previous essay, fairies aid in bringing new dragon eggs to the Dragon Realms. Although I suggested that this role was merely for show - without a need for reproduction dragons would lack genders - it could be that in some cases a fairy uses magic to create a child for two lovers of different species. In fact, Skylanders itself confirms that some sort of action along these lines must occur, as the character Whirlwind is said to be an air dragon with unicorn ancestry. As such, it could be that Spyro and Cynder's distinct look in Skylanders is the result of their ancestors being made up of both dragons from the Dragon Realms and other creatures from Avalar - the fact that the other Skylander dragons also share this look suggests they share a link with the Dragon Realms, but that will be discussed in the next section.
It should also be noted that Spyro and Cynder are still juvenile dragons; we don't know whether their appearances will change over time to something resembling the dragons of old - certainly the adult dragon Ramses bears a closer resemblance to the dragons of the previous two series - or whether they could even gain the ability to walk on their hind legs, as in the original series - something that was only ever done by the adult dragon characters, suggesting the skill was something that either developed with age or was only possible when the body was a certain size, shape or weight.

1.62 MALEFOR AND THE SKYLANDS
Next, let's discuss the character Malefor, because due to his role in Spyro and Cynder's stories in Skylanders, he is central to bridging the gap between the different series.
In the Legend of Spyro series, he was said to be the first of the purple dragons - although he disputed this fact - and eventually fell from grace; seeking to destroy the world - the exact reasons for this remain unknown, but, as suggested in my previous essay, it could be that he wished to destroy the world so that it could be cleansed and rebuilt - but failed to do so; instead becoming imprisoned in two places; in the realm known as Convexity, and in the Well of Souls. Although he was eventually freed from this prison over the course of the Legend of Spyro series, at the conclusion he was trapped in a crystal in the centre of the world by a number of dragon spirits.
In Skylanders, Malefor is said to be the "Undead Dragon King". It can easily be suggested that this is the same Malefor, many, many, years after his defeat. As stated by Ignitus' shade shortly after the defeat of Malefor, "when a dragon dies, he does not truly leave this world. His spirit lives on, binding itself with nature, offering hope for the future."
Despite the nature of his defeat, it would seem this applies to Malefor as well; although he remains confined to the centre of the world - as confirmed in Hex's backstory - evidently his influence is strong enough to impact the world, as he clearly has been able to manifest himself in a way that allowed him to raise a new army and corrupt another dragonet following his imprisonment.
What of his title as "Undead Dragon King"? This could have originated in many different ways; whether he gave himself the title or whether it was bestowed upon him is not known. Hints to its origins hinge on the phrasing of the word; whether Malefor is the King of Undead Dragons, which would imply a more mythical position - perhaps if, as the title suggests, the "Legend of Spyro" became a story that was passed down through the generations, and Malefor became equated with a boogeyman or demon - or if he is an Undead Dragon who calls himself King; certainly, Malefor had the power to turn the apes into shades in the final Legend of Spyro game, and the Cynder of Skylanders gained undead powers after being corrupted by him. The latter is probably the more likely -these powers perhaps being linked to his new mode of imprisonment, or it could just be that his old powers aren't much use below ground - considering how Hex is said to have become undead after travelling to his "underworld" - the existence of which suggests that Malefor has some degree of power below ground, but not above, and thus he focuses on forming an army out of the dead and buried creatures that would make it down to his level.
The next question surrounding his title is when did it become widespread? If it didn't come into use during the length of time he attempted to conquer the Skylands in, this would suggest that Malefor attempted to conquer the Dragon Realms yet again inbetween the Legend of Spyro series and the Skylanders series. This could potentially suggest a link to the Sorceror of the original Spyro series; another purple dragon who attempted global conquest. Unfortunately, his exact backstory and motivations were never made clear due to the end of the original Spyro series after Spyro: Shadow Legacy, but it could be suggested that he was either Malefor in a new body, or another dragon under Malefor's control - although this could seem somewhat odd, considering Red was also under the Sorceror's control; unless of course this was an intentional part of the plan.
Before discussing Malefor's plans for conquest, let's bring Cynder into the mix. Like her previous incarnation in the Legend of Spyro, Malefor needs her to act as his avatar in the world, as he cannot manifest physically - in addition to this, it's worth remembering that Cynder accomplished much for Malefor while she was under his control. It's not made clear why he chose a dragonet both times, but it could be that he was intending to capture Spyro's egg both times round, but ended up with the wrong egg each time. Alternatively, a dragonet could be easier to influence than an adult dragon.
What of the name Cynder? Rather than being a massive - and unlikely - coincidence, it's likely that Malefor intentionally chose the name again for one of many reasons;

*Malefor was attempting to spite the memory of the deceased Spyro and Cynder - or perhaps even the Legend itself - by naming the hatchling after the original Cynder.
*Malefor was amused by the captured hatchling's resemblance to the original Cynder - or perhaps the similar circumstances of her capture - and decided to bestow the same name upon her.
*The name Cynder held some unknown significance to Malefor, and thus he gave that name to the captured hatchling.

Confusingly, Cynder appears to be purple, yet isn't considered a purple dragon; instead having electric and undead powers - the latter of which is easily recognisable as being a leftover of Malefor's hold over her, although it's also noted by a few sources that Cynder may in fact be physically undead herself in addition to controlling the element. The Cynder in the Legend of Spyro series also oddly gained scales of a vaguely purple colouring in the final game, despite having been previously coloured black. This could potentially suggest that the purple colouring of their scales wasn't their original colour; like the powers that remained after Malefor's control ended, the purple colouring was a remnant of his control over her.
This could potentially suggest that the Cynder of Skylanders was originally an electricity dragon prior to her capture, and the Cynder of the Legend of Spyro series an Air or Wind Dragon. While such species of dragons weren't necessarily shown in the Legend of Spyro series, Whirlwind and the other dragons of the Skylands suggest that other elemental species did exist, but weren't represented amongst the Guardians for some reason; perhaps their Elemental Guardian was dead by the time Spyro arrived at the Dragon Temple, or perhaps their species simply wasn't known or well integrated into the Dragon Realms of the time.
To return to Malefor's plans for conquest, from what is mentioned in the backstories, it appears as though he ignored the Dragon Realms in favour of an attack on the Skylands. It's not too hard to imagine why; Malefor could have simply desired to see them destroyed alongside the Dragon Realms so that they could both be restored, but it could also be that he saw the Skylanders as a potential threat to his plans, and sought to destroy them first. Of course, we know that he also attempted and failed to capture Hex to learn or use her powers, but whether this was before or after his abduction of Cynder isn't known; if it preceded it, Malefor might have planned to corrupt Hex to take over the Skylands, and resorted to kidnapping a dragon egg after failing, but if it was afterwards, Hex might have been responsible for stopping Malefor's plans after Spyro freed Cynder. Either way, it doesn't seem Malefor got very far in his plans, unless of course there is a second part to his plan that hasn't been carried out yet.

AFTERWORD
I acknowledge that some of these theories are slightly slightly far-fetched, but I have strived to come up with the best theories I could think of due to the very fact that unity in such way can satisfy the fans of each series; with this turn of events, each incarnation of Spyro and the games that he appeared in remain somewhat distanced from each other by enough time that they don't necessarily have to affect each other. Annoyed at one game in the series "ruining the (fill-name-here) Spyro"? With this, it doesn't matter; it's a different Spyro in a different era of time.
In addition to this, it supports multiple character pairings at the same time. SpyroxCynder fan? Happened for Spyro in the Legend of Spyro era. SpyroxEmber/Elora fan? Could've happened for Spyro in the Original era. And who knows what Skylanders will add to the mix?
In the end, it's the fans who are going to be expanding on whatever the series gives them; isn't it better to be united as one fandom than to constantly be bickering about which characters should be canon or paired with others or not?


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Theoretically, Spyro could still be the only purple dragon.  At least, the only one alive.  When it talks about lineage, I saw it as meaning something along the lines of what they mentioned in the Legends trilogy.  That there have been previous purple dragons, such as Malefor, but they all are supposed to be dead.  Spyro is the latest successor to the bloodline.

Also, perhaps Skylanders is directly set in the same world as the Legend Trilogy.  After all, the Destroyer did manage to complete it's circuit of destruction, and we never exactly see the shape of the world after Spyro and Cynder "stop" it's destruction.  Perhaps their repair was incomplete, thus setting up the floating islands of the Skylands.  

It's also mentioned that Master Eon summoned Spyro from his own world, which could be taken to mean that somehow, Spyro and Cynder were in an alternate world from the one that had come to pass when they stopped Malefor.  Some form of alternate plane, which is why Ignitus, and presumably everyone else they had interacted with, thought they had died.  A bit far-fetched, perhaps, but possible.  

The other thing I thought could be the case is that the reason Malefor is the Undead Dragon King is because he was, in fact, dead at the start of the Legends Trilogy, then revived by Gaul.  Perhaps his "underworld" is in fact, the prison that we see him dragged down to by the spectral dragons at the end of Dawn of the Dragon.  From there, his physical presence is yet again destroyed, but perhaps he too lives on as some form of malevolent spirit.  It'd certainly make for an interesting story if at some point the Skylanders had to stop him from regaining his body again.