The Gang of Five
The Land Before Time => Land Before Time TV Series (2007) => Topic started by: Nick22 on March 05, 2007, 01:48:31 PM
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We all know that Ali and Littlefoot left as friends at the end of LBT 4. With her return in LBT episode 7, has there been any real changes in that friendship? in other words, are they still friendS? I ask this of anyone who has seen the episode.. Thanks..
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Yes. Yes they are still friends.
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Are they as close as before though...? With Rette(sp0 in the picture that may complicate things..
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He better not! :angry: I'm strictly a Littlefoot x Ali fan. I always thought those two were perfect for each other. I don't know if their relationship will advance in the series...probably not, but I can only hope. I just always thought those two were meant for each other, desipite the fact Littlefoot is outgoing and Ali is shy. And I respect those who like the couple of Cera and Littlefoot, but for me it will always be Ali and Littlefoot no matter what anyone says. :D
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Her Reappearancde and first meeting of Chomper were bungled though.. and those were two viable plotlines for a story in either a movie or an episode..
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I will be having Ali appearing in a future chapter of my LBT story at fanfiction.net and I do intend to make the reiunon way better. Yeah, I do agree with you there Nick22. It was bungled. Oh, well, neither the less I'm glad the guys who created the series didn't forget about her. :)
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Okay, in the sense of Littlefoot&Ali, I would like to take Malte's opinion of saying that their relationship is a "sandbox love" relationship. (puppy love for those who don't know.)
I shall comment that with "The Great Longneck Scheme", the very episode that Ali reappeared. The fact that Littlefoot cared about what Ali believes, shows that she is rather interested in her. I'm sure that time of seperation of god only knows how long, has made him grow closer to her, even if it's such a small amount that it's unnoticable.
Maybe some help could be brought forth with this episodes version of the song, "It's Not Fair".
Title: It's not Fair (Episode 7)
Lyrics:
Littlefoot: Well it's not fair!
He can't be her best friend.
Cera: I don't care,
The stories he's telling are phoney.
That he's telling her lies.
Littlefoot: Rhette says he's great,
The scarer of sharpteeth.
Cera: There's no way,
He'd never dare to get near one.
Littlefoot: Bet he'd grab his mighty tail and run
Cera: But even if all of his stories are lies,
How do we try to convince Ali otherwise?
Littlefoot: He'll still decieve.
Cera: She'll believe
Littlefoot and Cera: We need a plan
(Good thing I kept copies of my PMs to action9000.)
Now, doesn't this show quite some jealousy just by the lyrics alone? Esspecially in Littlefoot? In love relationships, I know jealousy to be quite the hint. In all truth, I think it has gone up since LBT 4.
Now, Rhette here is making up stories to impress Ali. I know that to mean one thing when a guy makes up stories to impress a girl. It is a clear sign that Rhette has a crush on Ali.
With this information, it has now created a love triangle within the realtionship we know and that many of us love. This sort of thing interests me. If this sort of thing could be explored by the writers, it could bring great things.
Of course, until then, there are a number of great fanfictions this can open up. I might even take an interest in this myself if I ever get my other stories for other areas out of the way. :)
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Love Triangles always give out ample room for subplots. I think at the moment we can assume that Ali has not noticed this developing rivalry. Being as it is 'puppy love", none of them have any idea what is really going on...they can't recognize thier feelings.
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I agree with you, Pokeplayer. He was rather upset with the whole thing...more than Cera was.
Cera: "It makes me so mad!"
Littlefoot: "I'm angry too!"
He then took his paw and angrily knocked a pebble away. I could definatly tell LF had a bit of jealousy going there. I mean Cera was upset, but she didn't show any way to let her anger out, but Littlefoot did. That shows you that he's developed a bit of feelings for her.
Ah, well, I can only hope. Until then I'll be having Ali x Littlefoot in any LBT story I do.
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I woulkd go further Kingdomkey, His feelings for her have strengthened, not into all-out love, but moving in that direction. Rhette may just be a plot deevice, a rival for Ali's attention. Ali certainly got tired of being 'saved' by Rhette, that tells me she doesn't particularly care for him.
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I woulkd go further Kingdomkey, His feelings for her have strengthened, not into all-out love, but moving in that direction. Rhette may just be a plot deevice, a rival for Ali's attention. Ali certainly got tired of being 'saved' by Rhette, that tells me she doesn't particularly care for him.
Well, any game can get boring if you play it over and over again and not play something else. Maybe we don't have much to fear with Rhette, but I think an eye should be kept on him, just in case. ;)
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Bizarre Love Triangle :D A great New Order song you should check out.
(a bit of an off note there...)
With Rhette in the picture there are many sub-plots they could create for the series involving Littlefoot and Ali's relationship. The way I see it, that's the main reason the producers created this character, there are so many stories they can make up, it's safe to have a back up one.
Another thing that I've been thinking it's been over 3 episodes since Ali's return, and we haven't eard of her since. Was that just an episode to keep a long forgotten promise? Or will she come back in future episodes?
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I think she'll be back, what's the point of bringing her back for one episode? besides there was no mention of them leaving again. and they botched the episode anyway. They need to redeem themselves...
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I think she'll be back, what's the point of bringing her back for one episode? besides there was no mention of them leaving again. and they botched the episode anyway. They need to redeem themselves...
Quite true, Nick. However, I believe that she really hasn't left the valley since her reappearence. What makes me come to this conclusion is simple. There was no goodbye. For such an important charcter, you need something like that.
Anyways, I think I see when the goodbye episode will be. At least according to the official list:
Episode 1: The Canyon of Shiny Stones
Episode 2: The Great Log-Running Game
Episode 3: The Brave Longneck Scheme
Episode 4: The Meadow of Jumping Waters
Episode 5:
Episode 6: The Cave of Many Voices
As you can see, what is supposed to be Ep. 5 on the official list is missing. I'm guessing that's when Ali leaves the valley.
And I hold a nice prediction of what will happen near the end, but we'll have to see if it happens. :)
Now, if you don't mind, I'm busy watching the very episode Ali returns. (It FINNALY appeared today.) So, I'll see ya all later. :^.^:
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It will show on Tuesday here... at 9-30 am.
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Shouldn't someone be recording these shows? Not talking about you guys but in general. I've looked every torrent database and found nothing.
As for Ali leaving, that would be a shame. Bringing her back for only two episodes, at least a couple more. I still think she deserves a whole sequel and not just some episodes on the TV series.
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Shouldn't someone be recording these shows? Not talking about you guys but in general. I've looked every torrent database and found nothing.
As for Ali leaving, that would be a shame. Bringing her back for only two episodes, at least a couple more. I still think she deserves a whole sequel and not just some episodes on the TV series.
Well, I have the strangest hunch that Ali will return near the end of the series, and her return will trigger a multi-part ending that will be really good to see. Just a feeling I have inside me. Just something that involves the end of Redclaw.
Remember though, this is only a hunch, so don't get your hopes up. We'll just have to wait and see. :)
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Okay, for all those talking about romance between Littlefoot and Ali, they are just kids, and not showing any signs of growing up anytime soon. Kids that young typically don't have relationships, so let's keep it at friends that may turn into something more when they're much, much older.
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I agree, Raptor. (And by the way, just finished watching Trigun. XD Awesome series!)
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I grant Wk, that we are probably reading into the relationship a lot more than we should, since we are all around the age where relationships become serious...
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That's kind of what I was thinking, myself. We grew up with the LBT gang, and now we're all getting into serious relationships (which is a part of the reason I haven't posted for a while), and we may be, on some subconscious level, putting them in the same category.
PS: I'm glad you enjoyed "Triguin", Ryuukokoro. Not an overly light-hearted one, though, is it? :lol:
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well its about bluddy time till Ali comes back, and I too am a LF X Ali fan. just wish I had Cartoon Network.
oh wellz, I still have the DVDs to look forward to.
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I think there was something to do with love with Littlefoot as well to Ali, Kingdomkey, did you get my PM about that LBT/Kingdom heart crossover on Fanfiction btw. Is that your story by any chance? since it has a similar user name to yours.
Back to Ali and Littlefoot, I would say that make a good pair and it seems to be a interested in most of them. I seen lots of stories that foucs of Littlefoot and Ali, even drawing. I say from looking at the song now, Littlefoot has strong feelings enough to hatch a plan with Cera to make Rhett look very stupid and not brave as he say he is.
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well its about bluddy time till Ali comes back, and I too am a LF X Ali fan. just wish I had Cartoon Network.
I think I found a new best friend. XD I just hope she appears again soon. :D
Sorry, I got your response kinda late Threehorn. Yes, the next chapter is currently in the works, and I totally agree with you on far Littlefoot went to make Rhett look silly. I mean he even showed it through his emotions how upset he was about this. I still found it slightly a bit disappointed about how Ali's return went. She is pretty smart, so I don't believe she would fall for that. I plan to make her return way better in ATBT. (Yes, she will be appearing XD) Ah, well. Still, I hope she returns soon.
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Hmm, I wonder just how much further the writers would be willing to take the relationship of Littlefoot&Ali? Maybe they could put them into an embarrassing situation of some kind. Accidental lip kissing anybody? ;)
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Considering the target audience, kissing isn't something we're likely to see. A friendly lick, perhaps, but that's it, and I have my doubts on that.. It would be interesting to see a kiss between them, but I just don;t think we'll see much elaborating on the relationship between Ali and Littlefoot.
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I finally saw the brave longneck scheme today.. and my opinion of it went up after viewing it. Rhette's herd merged with Ali's after she left the valley previously, and he has a high self-opinion of himself. Having Ali in the gang just seems well , natural, once you get past the fact there are two longnecks with her around.
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I finally saw the brave longneck scheme today.. and my opinion of it went up after viewing it. Rhette's herd merged with Ali's after she left the valley previously, and he has a high self-opinion of himself. Having Ali in the gang just seems well , natural, once you get past the fact there are two longnecks with her around.
Well why do you think so many authors of LBT fanfiction like to write Ali in so much, aside from pairing her up with Littlefoot?
Ali's that kind of charcter. We've seen her as such since LBT 4. :)
Considering the target audience, kissing isn't something we're likely to see. A friendly lick, perhaps, but that's it, and I have my doubts on that.. It would be interesting to see a kiss between them, but I just don;t think we'll see much elaborating on the relationship between Ali and Littlefoot.
I'm not talking a real kiss, just where their lips end up meeting one another by accident.
There are possible scenarios where it could happen, you know. ;)
Also, tell me, does Disney end up targeting the same auidence with their cartoons? What do you see in those? :^.^:
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Touche...Poke... personally the series has played it safe up to this point... nothing really gut-wrenching has occured.. or really embarassing such as a kiss between littlefoot and Ali would be..
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I'm not talking a real kiss, just where their lips end up meeting one another by accident.
Are you thinking of "The Lady and the Tramp"? I guess that's the most famous kiss by accident in a cartoon so far.
Considering the target audience, kissing isn't something we're likely to see. A friendly lick, perhaps, but that's it, and I have my doubts on that.. It would be interesting to see a kiss between them, but I just don;t think we'll see much elaborating on the relationship between Ali and Littlefoot.
I agree that there probably isn't going to be anything beyond what we saw already. While the relationship between Littlefoot and Ali is different from any other LBT relationship among the younger characters it is nothing "explicit" as the relationship between grownup characters such as Topsy and Tria. They are just kids. Kids can fall in love, but that kind of love differs from the love between grownups in many ways. One can refer to it as a sandbox love I think.
As for the friendly lick, I think from the LBT character's perspective it may have a different meaning than a kiss. More like a the French bize, the kiss to greet somebody without any whatsoever sexual relation. After all we've seen quite a number of such licks in LBT already, from Spike, Ali (with Petrie being the receiver), Chomper, and Littlefoot's grandma (in which case the purpose was to clean Littlefoot). There was nothing like it from a couple such as Littlefoot's grandparents or Topsy and Tria.
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The 'puppy love' aspect between Littlefoot and Ali is implicit rather than explicit. You haven't seen Littlefoot or Ali say that they really like each other, although all the signs are there that they do. Whether Rhette is a mere plot device (a potential rival for Ali that forces Littlefoot to begin to reveal his feelings), or not has yet to be seen.
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well let me take the time to put my two cents in.
I am a big fan of Littlefoot & Ali faction. if they do show this in the series (and I hope they do) it'll be a big step from a simple children show to a show for all audiences. I see great potential with the ideal.
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I'm not talking a real kiss, just where their lips end up meeting one another by accident.
Are you thinking of "The Lady and the Tramp"? I guess that's the most famous kiss by accident in a cartoon so far.
I was actually thinking along the lines of what I saw in Bambi II. In a certain scene, Bambi is hiding from Faline. (Mainly because she loves to kiss him and he's trying to avoid her. It's kinda cute what Disney does with young ones.) He then accidently backs up into a procupine. The procupine pricks him and he jumps through the tall grass. When he stops, they're lips meet and they both have shocked looks on their faces.
Just replace it with the gang playing Hide 'n Seek, Ali being it and a prickily plant of some kind.
I'm sure that would meet within Universal's limits on LBT. ;)
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That could work, although seeing that would necessitate another kiss somewhere along the line :P: , whether accidental or n the case at the end of We're Back between the human kids, deliberate. I have not seen Bambi 2 as an aside, and I don't intend to. It merely takes away from the great film that the original was, however cute the sequel may be...it won't match or come close to matching the original. Sequels almost never do. and itt would be interesting to see the gang's reaction to the kiss. I'm guessing that they are grossed out intially, then mercilessly tease Littlefoot about it.
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Yeah right, Ducky, Spike, and Petrie are so very notorious for being merciless ;)
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Alright, Cera would be the only one giving Littlefoot a hard time about it :) Although, given how she plotted with Littlefoot to show up Rhette, she may not be so mean about it..
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I still didn't see that sequel.
I begin to wonder about myself about this. Shortage of time is certainly one reason why I didn't watch all the sequels so far, but I suppose there is something more to it.
All the years the coming of a new land before time movie was something really special. Every single land before time movie was discussed to the very last detail. There was a high degree of "Vorfreude" (joy of anticipation) for every single one of them.
Now that I have so many sequels to watch I'm hesitant to see them in quick succession. I feel that once I have seen them I will HAVE seen them without any way to reverse it. While I'm not as sceptical about some changes in LBT as some other people are I still feel a certain fear that something I might see may crack up images held so dearly, (LBT 10 certainly did).
I'm getting of topic. Sorry about that.
As for Littlefoot and Ali I don't suppose we are ever going to see anything far beyond what we have seen so far. The characters are still young kids. They are not even teens (that would be Hyp's age group). There are several implications that they are not educated in male female relationships. Most distinct is the LBT 2 scene in which Littlefoot asks his grandparents about babies, but even in LBT 10 he was obviously unaware that everybody has to have a father or why that would be the case. In LBT 11 Littlefoot and Cera too seemed to have certain problems to figure out the status of Tria as a new mother for Cera. Of course they know about eggs and hatching, but it is never said if they know where the eggs come from. They are not stupid, so I reckon they would have figured out some details about such relationships as that of Topsy and Tria. Still I don't think they are at the age to really understand those relationships or the emotions involved. Ali is the only case in which we saw any LBT character show any interest at all in a member of the same species but of the other gender. Sometimes I think too much is interpreted into the relationship of Littlefoot and Ali. It is not quite the same as that of Littlefoot and the others (to begin with for all we know LBT 4 probably lasted only three days so it was not exactly much time to get to know Ali nearly as well as any other member of the group).
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Spreaking of father's we never see Ali's father. He's not with the herd, Ali's only immediate family is her mother. Which leads me to believe he's either dead, or he broke up with Ali's mother and is off on his own somewhere..
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Or the creators of LBT just felt they had not enough to do for him to include him ;) as was the case with Petrie's Dad, Littlefoot's Dad (until they found they could make him the plot of a movie), Cera's Mum (I know she was at the beginning of the original movie, but she was never mentioned with a single word till LBT 11 and even then no explanation whatsoever was given).
Disappearing or non existing parents are rather common in LBT.
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Not having a father though could lead to a devastating scenario. What would happen if something serious happened to Ali's mother? There would be no one left in her immediate family to take care of her. We nearly had a similar situation occur in lBt 4 with Grandpa's illness, remember? At least in that situation Littlefoot still had his grandmother... but given her advanced age, there was serious doubt as to whether she could properly care and protect Littlefoot. Hence why Grandpa had requested that they leave with Ali's herd if he did not recover. Luckily he did...
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I'm not sure, but perhaps family structures are not of the same importance within a migrating herd such as Ali's as they are among the settled dinosaurs of the Great Valley. This may sound cynical, but what do you expect Ali to do if her Mum died during a journey with the herd? She probably would move on along with the herd, and the herd would continue to offer protection. Perhaps nobody would feel "in charge" of Ali, but while the herd is moving from one green spot to the next she certainly wouldn't die or something. Her existence would be similar to that of Shorty. Perhaps the death of her mother could be a reason for Ali to give up her live as a nomad to live in the Great Valley. We don't know if there are strong bonds of friendship among the members of Ali's herd or if they are more like a community "born from necessity". The members of Ali's herd seemed relatively indifferent to the fate of Littlefoot's grandpa (who had been offered to join the herd). They weren't willing to offer any more but pity. In a herd which excludes any but their own kind I don't expect individualism or the fates of individual members of the herd to be as highly regarded as in other social structures of the land before time.
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That is quite cynical, but I see where you could be on to something.If such a situation arose, I'd imagine Littlefoot's Grandparent's would offer to adopt Ali, if it happened in the Great Valley. They may be asking for trouble considering how precoscious Littlefoot is, but raising two young longnecks imo would not be completely overwhelming for them. LIttlefoot would have great sympathy for Ali's plight, he lost his mother too as everyone knows. Such a situation would inevitably bring them closer together, as friends.
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They may be asking for trouble considering how precoscious Littlefoot is [...]
Is he really? In what sense? What makes you think that he is?
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He gets himself into trouble in his adventures... well, precoscious probably isn't a good word... so... there really wouldn't be any problems :slap the only obstacle in that situation would be the herd. Would they allow Ali to be adopted by someone not in thier herd, even if they are related (according to the American version)? Judging by your description, I'd say they'd be very hesistant to permit it, even though by keeping her in the herd, she'd have no one assigned to raise her, she'd be the 'collective responsibility' of the herd.
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Judging by your description, I'd say they'd be very hesistant to permit it, even though by keeping her in the herd, she'd have no one assigned to raise her, she'd be the 'collective responsibility' of the herd.
On the contrary I suppose that my description of the herd would make it very likely that she would be permitted to leave. Who would be able to prohibit Ali to leave the herd unless one of them actually adobted her? I wonder to what degree the "collective responsibility" exists within Ali's herd. My impression was that, in case any member of the herd had been struck by the illness of Littlefoot's grandpa, they probably wouldn't have risked returning to the land of mists either. While they are protecting each other by sheer numbers ("safety in numbers") there was nothing to imply any more distinct feeling of responsibility for each other. We know too little about Ali's herd to prove such a gloomy vision of their community, but neither can it be disproven and the overall impression given by the movie did not make the herd seem like a very friendly community. It begins with the rather stiff reaction of the Old One at being welcomed to the Great Valley (not so much as a thank you). She seemed to be rather embittered and fatalistic. If that's the spirit of the leader we may assume that at least some of it rubbed off on the other members of the herd. I really didn't have the impression of a herd who would for example take any risks to protect straggling members.
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In response, The Old One... she's the leader of the herd, and apparently her word is law amoung the herd. So if she doesn't think ali should leave the herd, then she won't be able to leave, regardless of the situation that would put ali in... I believe you once compared the herd to to a 'closed' society., one in which only the members of the herd matter, and outsiders aren't welcome. A very gloomy picture. Paranoia comes to mind, like in the brave long scheme, when Rhette runs to the herd after the gang's 'prank'. On second thought, their paranoia is understandable, the threat of sharpteeth out in the wilderness is very real and lethal..
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Again you have more information than I do, as I haven't seen that episode yet. However, I don't see why the old one would forbid a kid to leave the herd if there is no one in charge for that kid. She might be less willing to let a grownup, able to contribute to the safety of the herd rather than slowing it down, go but I don't suppose she would be able to prevent that either. Unless we assume the herd to be hold together by force ("stay or die") I don't think a member determined to leave could be stopped from doing so. Not even I have SUCH a dark view of that herd as to assume it being held together by mere force.
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I'm surprised you haven't seen it yet. Anyway I see the herd as being held together by the force of the Old One's leadership, that, and shared "strength in numbers" By force of will, I mean, they follow her lead, and there doesn't seem to be much dissent in the group..
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Ay, not much dissent, but not much of a communal bond either.
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Yes, as you previously said there wasn't much compassion on their part towards Littlefoot's grandafather when he became ill. Which makes me wonder whether Ali would recieve much more compassion if her mother was injured or killed. I would think not.
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I believe that in lbt 4, the creator's focused more on Littlefoot's grief than on Ali's compassion. The gang was always there for eachother, and if a similar thing happened to Ali they'd all join up and confort her.
Ali and Rhette's (why did they creat this character?!) suden disappearence from the series is very odd. Do you think the episode list might be a bit scrambled?
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They created him so that there could be a 'rival' for Ali's interests imo. Rhette obviously likes Ali very much.although after the Brave Longneck scheme he's been exposed to ali as a braggart and liar.If he's a one-off character, that wouldn't make much sense. Ali will appear in another episode, anything with "longneck in it should be looked at closely.